No Fix for Furies how nice

[Silka]

<DIV>Big Patch, and no spell fixes for Furies ..marlvelous. Our crappy spells just last longer now how nice.</DIV>

[Despa]

<DIV><EDIT> Oops.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Despair on <span class=date_text>02-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:14 PM</span>

[Bes]

<blockquote><hr>Despair wrote:<DIV>Actually...you're wrong. There are spell duration fixes for spells like Bristlepelt and Hammerwind's Zealous Frenzy....you should actually read the whole update before posting.</DIV><hr></blockquote>You know, he mentioned that in his post.Regardless, there is the increased mitigation which effects us I do believe.

[Silka]

<DIV>yes I did mention that thanks Besot. While mitigation may help us take a beating when we get constant agro hehe we are still stuck with our unscaled heals and lousy buffs <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Lancealittle]

<DIV>Besides what was already mentioned we also can stack sprint and SoW to get away even faster.</DIV>

[Twizz]

<DIV>It was stated that this patch would balance wiz/warlocks. I hope for them to look at us for the next patch.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The changes we got in this patch are still awasome. I was asked yesterday where all the procs were coming from by a scout <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is a good start.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We can keep 4 procs on several people easy now.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I still hope our heals will be upgraded, and won't bother with respec till I know where things end up. I can heal ok with fleshweave adept 3 and are close to wild bloodflow.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[jfo]

they broke the hp augment on mark of the hunt as well.

[Setli]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lancealittle wrote:<BR> <DIV>Besides what was already mentioned we also can stack sprint and SoW to get away even faster.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>:smileyvery-happy::smileyvery-happy:</P> <P>This is a daily occurance for me.  </P>

[Bumba]

<DIV>People crying about furies needing a fix need to change character imo.</DIV> <DIV>We are not broke, mystics have it alot worse for instance.</DIV> <DIV>If you dont think Fury is good mby you should look yourself in the mirror, mby its you who is a poor player?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The only thing that needs to be fixed is a /showform command.</DIV> <DIV>And add some damage to our nuke would be a bonus since we are the dps of priests but Im ok with my damage output.</DIV> <DIV>I can keep my MT alive in most encounters and I hardly ever get agro if I do I have a hatereducer spell so np.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Learn how to use HoT, buffs and vicous feast and you will come to understand what a great class we are.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We can mainheal but we really really shine on raids and groups where we are patch/secondary healers. Debuff, HoT, nuke. Nice DPS plus we make the life easier for mainhealer(s) and maintank on raids.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Bumbazz on <span class=date_text>02-22-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:09 AM</span>

[GoVo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Bumbazz wrote:<BR> <DIV>People crying about furies needing a fix need to change character imo.</DIV> <DIV>We are not broke, mystics have it alot worse for instance.</DIV> <DIV>If you dont think Fury is good mby you should look yourself in the mirror, mby its you who is a poor player?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The only thing that needs to be fixed is a /showform command.</DIV> <DIV>And add some damage to our nuke would be a bonus since we are the dps of priests but Im ok with my damage output.</DIV> <DIV>I can keep my MT alive in most encounters and I hardly ever get agro if I do I have a hatereducer spell so np.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Learn how to use HoT, buffs and vicous feast and you will come to understand what a great class we are.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We can mainheal but we really really shine on raids and groups where we are patch/secondary healers. Debuff, HoT, nuke. Nice DPS plus we make the life easier for mainhealer(s) and maintank on raids.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Bumbazz on <SPAN class=date_text>02-22-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:09 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Ummm Yea.  Whatever.....  :rolleyes:

[Katx]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Bumbazz wrote:<BR> <DIV>People crying about furies needing a fix need to change character imo.</DIV> <DIV>We are not broke, mystics have it alot worse for instance.</DIV> <DIV>If you dont think Fury is good mby you should look yourself in the mirror, mby its you who is a poor player?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The only thing that needs to be fixed is a /showform command.</DIV> <DIV>And add some damage to our nuke would be a bonus since we are the dps of priests but Im ok with my damage output.</DIV> <DIV>I can keep my MT alive in most encounters and I hardly ever get agro if I do I have a hatereducer spell so np.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Learn how to use HoT, buffs and vicous feast and you will come to understand what a great class we are.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We can mainheal but we really really shine on raids and groups where we are patch/secondary healers. Debuff, HoT, nuke. Nice DPS plus we make the life easier for mainhealer(s) and maintank on raids.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Bumbazz on <SPAN class=date_text>02-22-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:09 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Argh  *bangs her head off her desk*</DIV>

[LingusKh]

<blockquote><hr>Bumbazz wrote:<DIV>People crying about furies needing a fix need to change character imo.</DIV><DIV>We are not broke, mystics have it alot worse for instance.</DIV><DIV>If you dont think Fury is good mby you should look yourself in the mirror, mby its you who is a poor player?</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>The only thing that needs to be fixed is a /showform command.</DIV><DIV>And add some damage to our nuke would be a bonus since we are the dps of priests but Im ok with my damage output.</DIV><DIV>I can keep my MT alive in most encounters and I hardly ever get agro if I do I have a hatereducer spell so np.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Learn how to use HoT, buffs and vicous feast and you will come to understand what a great class we are.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>We can mainheal but we really really shine on raids and groups where we are patch/secondary healers. Debuff, HoT, nuke. Nice DPS plus we make the life easier for mainhealer(s) and maintank on raids.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Bumbazz on <span class=date_text>02-22-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:09 AM</span><hr></blockquote>Actually, you are falling into the mindset we all need to get out of. We are not backup/patch/secondary healers. We are healers period. I have been on several "raids" and had I not been there, there was no way a cleric class could have handled it himself. Several times I have found myself in the position of "mainhealer" with a templar as "patchhealer". Rarely have I had a problem as the sole healer. Mind you, I am only level 27 at this point so I have not seen the post 30 blues but from what I gather, most post 30 Furies simply want our spells to (1.)Perform as advertised and (2.) Heal/Buff at a level commensurate to our skill level. (i.e Scale as well as other class heals and buffs). No, we are not "broken" but neither were the wizards. They just wanted someone to adjust their class skills to meet what SOE had advertised. Simple.

[Bumba]

<DIV>LingusKhan, I dont agree.. Sorry.. I know the intentions SoE has is that we can and should mainheal. But I dont want to. The way SoE intended means it dont matter what sublclass you choose as long as your a priest there is no diffrence. That sux imo because then we might aswell not choose a sublclass and all be priests instead.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Atm, we are almost fine imo. We can mainheal in groups, we can be one of the mainhealers on raids BUT we are better of as secondary healers so we can use our dps and heal only when its neccessarry.</DIV> <DIV>I would be happier though if they made templars heals bigger and there nukes lesser and mby our nukes abit bigger. This way, if balanced right, we could be mainhealers in groups but still have our own place in raids.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>They balanced the classes good, abit to good imo. Today its almost like there is only 5 classes (priest, fighter, mage, scout and enchanter).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But I have faith that in a few expansions when we hit lvl 100 ( <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ) there will be a greater diffrence in all subclasses.</DIV>

[GoVo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Bumbazz wrote:<BR> <DIV>LingusKhan, I dont agree.. Sorry.. I know the intentions SoE has is that we can and should mainheal. But I dont want to. The way SoE intended means it dont matter what sublclass you choose as long as your a priest there is no diffrence. That sux imo because then we might aswell not choose a sublclass and all be priests instead.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Atm, we are almost fine imo. We can mainheal in groups, we can be one of the mainhealers on raids BUT we are better of as secondary healers so we can use our dps and heal only when its neccessarry.</DIV> <DIV>I would be happier though if they made templars heals bigger and there nukes lesser and mby our nukes abit bigger. This way, if balanced right, we could be mainhealers in groups but still have our own place in raids.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>They balanced the classes good, abit to good imo. Today its almost like there is only 5 classes (priest, fighter, mage, scout and enchanter).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But I have faith that in a few expansions when we hit lvl 100 ( <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ) there will be a greater diffrence in all subclasses.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Ok, so you're saying that even though they told us that we would be able to main heal equally with other sub classes that they should now change their minds and force all of us who went into the subclass thinking we could main heal into another role we never wanted to be?  And they should do this because a minority of Fury players such as yourself feel it should be that way?  If they did do something so lame, I would honestly expect to be able to respec and reclass/subclass my character for free.  Please note, when I say equally, I mean we should be able to fill the main spot equally in heal capacity and effeciency.  While yes, we can main heal, we do it at the cost of effeciency which is unacceptable in this gaming enviroment.</P> <P>What you want is a hybrid player.  One that has been tried in other games and shown to be real balance problems in the end game.  You see, the end game and mega raids are all about min/maxing.  If I want a DPS I'll get a DPS.  If I want a healer... I'll get a healer.  Nobody wants someone that does a little of both, but master at none.  Of course after that happens then you get the hybrid character crying about how useful they are, but that nobody wants them.  Thus giving the design team a headache of how to balance the hybrids and give them enough functionality that a group is willing to drop one if it's max spots or consider the hybrid for the max spot because a good group just isn't a good group unless you have the hybrid in it.  It's a waste of time, thus was removed from the game design as a whole.</P> <P>Even if all current Priest subclasses could heal equally, there are huge differences in how each class plays.  I have a Fury and an Inquisitor, while they both heal, playing each is a much different experience.  There is plenty of differences in the subclasses even if they could all fill the role of the archetype.  Just as there are huge differences between how the fighter archetype tank.</P> <P>I really don't think you know what you're talking about.  Or perhaps some better posts that actually give examples of what you mean</P><p>Message Edited by GoVolz on <span class=date_text>02-23-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:52 AM</span>

[MadMyst]

<blockquote><hr>Bumbazz wrote:<DIV>LingusKhan, I dont agree.. Sorry.. I know the intentions SoE has is that we can and should mainheal. But I dont want to. The way SoE intended means it dont matter what sublclass you choose as long as your a priest there is no diffrence. That sux imo because then we might aswell not choose a sublclass and all be priests instead.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Atm, we are almost fine imo. We can mainheal in groups, we can be one of the mainhealers on raids BUT we are better of as secondary healers so we can use our dps and heal only when its neccessarry.</DIV><DIV>I would be happier though if they made templars heals bigger and there nukes lesser and mby our nukes abit bigger. This way, if balanced right, we could be mainhealers in groups but still have our own place in raids.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>They balanced the classes good, abit to good imo. Today its almost like there is only 5 classes (priest, fighter, mage, scout and enchanter).</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>But I have faith that in a few expansions when we hit lvl 100 ( <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ) there will be a greater diffrence in all subclasses.</DIV><hr></blockquote>If you don't want to be the main healer, then don't. Grab another player who's willing to fill the role. We perform well as a backup healer/DPS additive, if that's the way you choose to play. What most furies are calling for is the ABILITY to function effectively and efficiently as main healer, which is something we're currently lacking. I prefer to take backup healing and augment DPS as well, but I don't like the idea of HAVING to find another healer because my own heals just can't keep up with the damage done. When I'm in a group, I want to be able to do my job: keeping the group alive through my healing ability. The differences between subclasses aren't their primary function. All healers should be able to heal equally well. The difference between classes and subclasses is HOW they perform their primary role and what their secondary role is.I believe most furies would agree that our secondary role is to augment group damage output through our buffs, nukes, and DoT's. This is SECONDARY to our healing, and the reason we chose furies over wardens or another priest class entirely. We chose the priest AT, which should mean that we are able to primary heal as well as any other priest. Simply put, we are not meant to be straight DPS. That's what mage clases are for. We're not meant to be DPS with healing thrown in. That's an ineffective hybrid class. We are meant to be healers with group DPS abilities. That's the way that the manual seems to describe furies, and that's the class that the vast majority of us want to play.Fixing our healing to scale properly is all that's needed to make us into effective primary healers. Fixing (not upping, but making them work as advertised) the rest of our spells will not only give us a place in a group, but will make us effective in either primary or backup healer roles. Reading the spell descriptions, if our spells worked as advertised, we can be a great class, solo, grouped, main healer, backup healer, raid situations... across the board. Let's see them fix our spells, fix our upgrades to actually BE upgrades, and then all of us, who have waited and stuck it out, can play the way we want to play.Until then, we wait, we hope, but we shouldn't be fighting about playstyle when Fury seems to be designed as a versatile class, capable of different roles in groups based on what is needed and how the individual plays.

[Lancealittle]

<DIV>The good news: It seems they are working on getting us to the point where we heal as good as the other healer.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The bad news: They are going to do it by nerfing the other healers. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It seems the heal for wards and reactives was being credited to the person being healed. If this was the main tank, then they were just getting more agro, and the healer was not getting any.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>To even this out they are going to make the wards and reactive heal agro go to the healer. They also say they need to have another look at heal agro for us as well, so it may do us some good.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This will make all encounters harder. No more casting wards before the pull. If you do that then every mob will go right to the shaman. We already see that if we cast a regen before the pull. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>