Fury Haters. Ouch. =(

[sorinev]

Browsing through my server forums, and I notice this thread:<a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=113&message.id=1669&jump=true" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=113&message.id=1669&jump=true</a>It's about a guy asking if our server needs more healers, and if so, is a cleric needed. Well someone responds, "Be a druid." and I thought yay! But then some other @#($*& responds later on saying essentially that Furies are crap, don't pick them. In about as many words too. About blew my stack when I saw that, but I'll hold off until (if) he elaborates as to WHY he feels that way. It's about the 8th post down. Anyone actually experience this sort of thing in game? I haven't personally, but one time I saw someone looking for a healer and in their /ooc message, they said Cleric or Shaman preferred, but they'd take a Druid if they absolutely *had* to. >.<

[Jhaan-Kre]

<DIV>I'm a lvl 47 fury, and i get tells while im already grouped asking if i can join their group.  So personally, im happy.  But i dont think its so much the class, as to the problems people have with players.  Get 3-4 bad fury players in a row, and bye bye fury credit.  </DIV>

[Axterix]

<DIV>Seems like your own reply summed it up pretty well.  Broken spells, ineffectual spells, and our fellow druid class gets the best instant heals in the game...</DIV>

[Bes]

<blockquote><hr>Jhaan-Kreii wrote:<DIV>I'm a lvl 47 fury, and i get tells while im already grouped asking if i can join their group. So personally, im happy. But i dont think its so much the class, as to the problems people have with players. Get 3-4 bad fury players in a row, and bye bye fury credit. </DIV><hr></blockquote>Pretty much. I get tells just like you do, and if I even get a chance to /lfg it's seriously under 5 minutes. I can play the only healer in dungeons with ^^ mobs. It isnt as pretty as a Templar, but meh. I'm sure we'll get fixed someday.

[GoVo]

<DIV>If someone asked me today if they should be a Fury, my reply would be as it currently stands No.  How or if they fix us remains to be seen...</DIV>

[TimboSilvermi]

<DIV>I get tells in my [Removed for Content] appartment in merchant mode asking me to come join groups.  The word is getting out (on my server anyway) that a GOOD Fury adds a lot to a group.  We're not an easy class to play well in a group, but we can make an average group good, and a good group fantastic.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you're asking who's the best solo healer class in the game, it's sure not us.  If you're asking who makes the best "backup healer" paired with a Cleric or Shammy, I think we top the list.  If this guy was ranking Furies by our on-paper healing ability, then yeah, a Cleric or Shammy looks better.  /shrug  Sounds to me like he had a painful childhood experience with a Fury trying to play like an EQ1 dr0od rather than an EQ2 Fury.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But that's an optimistic response, which I'm sure will get one-starred and drowned out by the Chicken Littles and Squeaky Wheels :smileywink:</DIV><p>Message Edited by TimboSilvermist on <span class=date_text>02-11-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:17 PM</span>

[mystic5]

<DIV> <DIV>Wow.....this guy is a serious chucklehead.  He didn't even have enough nerve to come back and explain his post.  Typical</DIV></DIV>

[RafaelSmith]

Bah, that guy is a noob. As a Guardian my preferred main healer is a Fury <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Why? because 99% of the time I dont need a healer that can only heal yet sucks at everything else. I much prefer the added boost to DPS you all provide.

[Omari]

I definately have not seen much anti-fury bias. There are times when I am looking for another healer and would say prefer not a druid since I am already a druid and 2 of the same class don't heal as well together. I would still take another druid tho so maybe that is why you are seeing those ooc's. I am lvl 31 and of the last 5-6 lvls worth of spells only maybe 2 or 3 have any use at all. We definately have issues and things that are broken, but I can still play and keep up with heals and still throw dps with litle trouble. If we ever do get "fized" we will be a force to recon with for sure.Omar

[Shat in the H]

<DIV>Last night in Feerott our fury went AFK for a good 20 min, we just kept pulling no one noticed, Until he said "I'm back".. and our Assassin said, "huh?" :smileyvery-happy: .</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Judge for yourself.</DIV><p>Message Edited by [Removed for Content] in the Hat on <span class=date_text>02-16-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:11 AM</span>

[Bes]

<blockquote><hr>[Removed for Content] in the Hat wrote:<DIV>Last night in Feerott our fury went AFK for a good 20 min, we just kept pulling no one noticed, Until he said "I'm back".. and our Assassin said, "huh?" :smileyvery-happy: .</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Judge for yourself.</DIV><p>Message Edited by [Removed for Content] in the Hat on <span class=date_text>02-16-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:11 AM</span><hr></blockquote>hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrYour fury must suck, as do you, if you fail to pay attention to a person who is standing there, in non combat mode. Dont come in here with your blanket statements that dont have anything to do with class and everything to do with a [Removed for Content] playing it.<p>Message Edited by Besot on <span class=date_text>02-16-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:38 PM</span>

[Shat in the H]

<hr></blockquote>hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrYour fury must suck, as do you, if you fail to pay attention to a person who is standing there, in non combat mode. Dont come in here with your blanket statements that dont have anything to do with class and everything to do with a [Removed for Content] playing it.<p>Message Edited by Besot on <span class=date_text>02-16-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:38 PM</span><hr></blockquote>It's not my fault the fury class is pointless when you have a cleric base priest in the group. I don't like two healer groups, but some people feel more secure. And most of us knew he was AFK but it didn't really matter, the mob just died a little slower.

[Bes]

<blockquote><hr>[Removed for Content] in the Hat wrote:<hr></blockquote>hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrYour fury must suck, as do you, if you fail to pay attention to a person who is standing there, in non combat mode. Dont come in here with your blanket statements that dont have anything to do with class and everything to do with a [Removed for Content] playing it.<p>Message Edited by Besot on <span class=date_text>02-16-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:38 PM</span><hr></blockquote>It's not my fault the fury class is pointless when you have a cleric base priest in the group. I don't like two healer groups, but some people feel more secure. And most of us knew he was AFK but it didn't really matter, the mob just died a little slower.<hr></blockquote>Wow, get out of the forums already. Almost any healers MAIN job is made pointless when there is another priest archetype in the group who wants to take all the work. I've been main healer in groups taking on yellow and orange mobs and came out just fine. If theres a cleric who wants to play Captain McSavestheday and chain casts his reactives I'll let him. Maybe your fury didnt cast the proc buffs, maybe he did. I know mine increase the overall DPS of the group by a good bit, and I can dish out some pretty good DPS myself. Of course, this wont matter to you, as all you seem to do is make generic blanket statements on Furies in general based upon ONE experience with what I'm almost assuring is a sub par Fury. Get over yourself and stop being a [Removed for Content].<p>Message Edited by Besot on <span class=date_text>02-16-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:45 PM</span>

[Ti]

One time in CT I was in a group and an assassin went AFK for like 15 minutes, and no one really cared, because the only problem was that the mob died a little slower.One time, I was grouped in CT and the tank needed to AFK so we had a bard tanking for a good 20 minutes.. the only issue was slightly slower mob deaths.One time in CT, a cleric went LD and we didnt get a replacement until the group broke up two hours later, and the only difference was that I was the one hitting 6 5 5 6 5 5 to heal instead of the cleric.One time a dude got on a forum to make an obvious remark and everyone gave him flak for being such a [Removed for Content].Get the point? 5/6 members is still about 83% effective, which most people aren't going to notice in an exp group with all the other random factors that can control your kill rate. Good job, Captain Obvious.

[Katx]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tiie wrote:<BR>One time in CT I was in a group and an assassin went AFK for like 15 minutes, and no one really cared, because the only problem was that the mob died a little slower.<BR><BR>One time, I was grouped in CT and the tank needed to AFK so we had a bard tanking for a good 20 minutes.. the only issue was slightly slower mob deaths.<BR><BR>One time in CT, a cleric went LD and we didnt get a replacement until the group broke up two hours later, and the only difference was that I was the one hitting 6 5 5 6 5 5 to heal instead of the cleric.<BR><BR>One time a dude got on a forum to make an obvious remark and everyone gave him flak for being such a [Removed for Content].<BR><BR>Get the point? 5/6 members is still about 83% effective, which most people aren't going to notice in an exp group with all the other random factors that can control your kill rate. Good job, Captain Obvious.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Hahahaha!!  Best laugh I've had all day.  Love the post.  :smileyvery-happy:<BR>

[Shat in the H]

Oh nos the fury's are rallying against me, maybe you guys can form a guild.. and die alot or something.It's just my opinion, and i have every right to express it, if you don't like it, I don't care. And I will take that bet on a Fury being able to heal a full group vs ^^ (Orange, yellow) mobs because everytime i've grouped with one if our cleric wasn't there, we died.<p>Message Edited by [Removed for Content] in the Hat on <span class=date_text>02-16-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:42 PM</span>

[Bes]

<blockquote><hr>[Removed for Content] in the Hat wrote:Oh nos the fury's are rallying against me, maybe you guys can form a guild.. and die alot or something.It's just my opinion, and i have every right to express it, if you don't like it, I don't care. And I will take that bet on a Fury being able to heal a full group vs ^^ (Orange, yellow) mobs because everytime i've grouped with one if our cleric wasn't there, we died.<p>Message Edited by [Removed for Content] in the Hat on <span class=date_text>02-16-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:42 PM</span><hr></blockquote>Troll much?

[Jhaan-Kre]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> [Removed for Content] in the Hat wrote:<BR>Oh nos the fury's are rallying against me, maybe you guys can form a guild.. and die alot or something.<BR><BR>It's just my opinion, and i have every right to express it, if you don't like it, I don't care. And I will take that bet on a Fury being able to heal a full group vs ^^ (Orange, yellow) mobs because everytime i've grouped with one if our cleric wasn't there, we died. <P>Message Edited by [Removed for Content] in the Hat on <SPAN class=date_text>02-16-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>08:42 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Yup, as stated ealier, you have been grouping with a sub par fury.  I can safely say i can solo heal vs yellow, orange, and reds.....(not that much is red to me now at lvl 48...)

[WisconsinCheddar]

<DIV>I'm rather new to the subclass but as a druid i noticed a reluctance to use me as a main healer when in groups...just never to the extreme you just described. I can understand why some people feel that way about our heals. I've noticed we tend to  run out of mana faster then a cleric or shammy, and in a fast pace group that can cause some issues. ( tanks not waiting  before a pull and the like)...Its sad that we are getting a bad name in some servers, we are an excent ally to have at hand, out dps isn't too shabby and our heals aren't completely useless.  I have also noticed it isn't a too shabby of a solo class.  No worries about what others think of us furies...we know better :smileywink:</DIV>

[WisconsinCheddar]

<DIV>and sorry to post twice in a row, but I was mistaken on my ability to hold my tounge against [Removed for Content].</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have healed a group by myself in FG attacking noting but ^^yellows and orange. We were fine. Please don't think that all of us are not capable becuase a few you have encountered we'ren't.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[LingusKh]

<blockquote><hr>[Removed for Content] in the Hat wrote:Oh nos the fury's are rallying against me, maybe you guys can form a guild.. and die alot or something.It's just my opinion, and i have every right to express it, if you don't like it, I don't care. And I will take that bet on a Fury being able to heal a full group vs ^^ (Orange, yellow) mobs because everytime i've grouped with one if our cleric wasn't there, we died.<p>Message Edited by [Removed for Content] in the Hat on <span class=date_text>02-16-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:42 PM</span><hr></blockquote>Yes. Yes you do have the right to express your opinion and I support that right. However, do not be surprised when people point out why it's erroneous. If you cannot take outside data contrary to your own and use it to re-evaluate your argument, that is a problem you have to deal with. If you make a statement like that, you need to support it. I can state as fact that I have been the sole healer in many groups taking on the Orange/Red ^^ mobs and have never had an issue. Like everyone else here has stated, it sounds as if you have grouped with a sub-par fury or IMO your group had other issues. Just my opinion.

[Keodred]

<DIV>I've got a 27 Fury right now and all the groups I'm in generally seem to prefer me (and Furies) to Clerics by far. Clerics just blow through power, I can stack 4 regens on the tank and then not even worry about him until they wear off. I throw Feral Intimidation on tougher mobs and I have plenty of mana for emergency healing or some DDing. And our Buffs rock, Savagery and Brishan's Quillshield practically doubles everyone's damage output.</DIV>

[Sitri]

<blockquote><hr>Jhaan-Kreii wrote:<DIV>I'm a lvl 47 fury, and i get tells while im already grouped asking if i can join their group. So personally, im happy. </DIV><hr></blockquote>Same here. I am a lvl 25 fury and people have headhunted me a couple of times.But just because a few furies are bad at playing their roles, doesnt mean that all furies are.So, to hate us furies because of that is wrong, I think.<p>Message Edited by Sitri on <span class=date_text>02-21-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:43 PM</span>

[sorinev]

I was definitely feeling the love last night. I was with some guildmates and some pickups for Nektropos Castle and we got to talking about different classes while waiting for everyone to make their way to Nek Forest. I was saying how I wasn't feelin the love and both the scouts in the group just about simultaneously went "No way! I <3 Furies!", because of all the added AGL. I add over 50 AGL to them at my level, so I'm at least useful to <i>someone</i>. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Yay

[quetzaqotl]

<DIV>I must agree were a fine class (altho some sec effects on spells quite suck) as a lvl 42 (almost 43) fury i can easily solo heal a group in CT for instance with more than 1/2 or 3/4 of my mana intact.</DIV> <DIV>Sometimes i have to spam instant heals and regens like mad but i dont really mind if it gets the job done.</DIV> <DIV>I chose the class cause we are like a hybrid dps/healing class so i knew in advance i wouldnt heal as effectively as a temp/inq at times but i dont mind.</DIV> <DIV>I rather play a secondary healer and do some dps it gets less boring than keep spamming heals and does a fair amount of dmg.</DIV> <DIV>Also a good advice use our cure nox/elemental/arcana noticed many healers dont use em and keep spamming heals over enemy dots and thats really ineffecient and stupid in my opinion.</DIV> <DIV>I also cast vicious feast over mobs which almost always proc (at least like 3/4 of the time with me) and does really help in disposing a large mob if youre in a good group with a good tank and nice dps (if they drop fast you dont need to heal much hehe).</DIV> <DIV>I think it really depends on the group you're with if a group didnt miss the fury it must be a bad fury or the rest of the group is ignorant to the buffs they had on or the time it took to kill a mob.</DIV> <DIV>Cause we really make a group more efficient in dealing out dmg.</DIV> <DIV>Of course i think its strange im still using lvl 20 heals but it works i adapted to that if they would our make our (higher lvl) regens heal a little bit more and make our nuke and/or dots a little bit more powerful we would have a really kickass class (altho im quite happy as it is).</DIV> <DIV>I think we as fellow furies shouldnt keep whining over broken spells etc you're making lower lvl furies depressed and theres no need to be cause we can handle ourselves really well.</DIV>

[Katx]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <DIV>I think we as fellow furies shouldnt keep whining over broken spells etc you're making lower lvl furies depressed and theres no need to be cause we can handle ourselves really well.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>While I appreciate most of your post, I just cannot agree with this.  Why should I, or any Fury, suffer with broken spells?  Why should *any* class for that matter?  Spells should work as described.  The most blantant example off the top of my head is our group res (Call of the Hunt) that doesn't res the group.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>No, spells should work and we should bring them to the devs attention when they do not.</DIV>

[GoVo]

<DIV>While you may be quite happy being a 'hybrid' healer or secondary healer, our class was ment to function equally well as other Priest subclasses in the role of MAIN healer.  Until then, I consider the subclass broken.  As long as a Warden can do as much damage as we can and clearly out heal us not only in ability but effeciency, then when someone asks me about the class... Warden is the direction I'm going to point them.</DIV>

[jfo]

<DIV>we do function just as well in the primary role in certain situations though. monks, bard, enchanter and warlock... get a regular group that forms around that build and we're insane. are we as effective with guardians? no. shadowknights? no, but all they do is lose agro and die anyways. generic capability isn't something we're good at, we're specialized and can make certain groups and tanks almost unstoppable.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>this is supposedly the 'rough patch' for our class yet i constantly find we're coming more and more into our own, we lose alot of our generic 'priestiness' and it takes some getting used to but once you adapt to it and learn how to master it, we're by no means lesser even with the broken spells... and they ain't even 'shaman-broke'.</DIV>

[quetzaqotl]

<DIV>Our class has issues but they are overcome-able tho if what you said is true and </DIV> <DIV>wardens do outdmg us AND get better heals there is something really wrong.</DIV> <DIV>But scaring people away from the path of the fury is wrong as hopefully when you choose a class</DIV> <DIV>you will do so for the long term not for the short term and in due time we'll get fixed and we can hold our ground as it is.</DIV><p>Message Edited by quetzaqotl on <span class=date_text>02-25-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:59 AM</span>

[GoVo]

No, I'm always very honest with people who ask me about the Fury class. I explain to them that from my POV, there are severe scaling problems with our spell lines. That they will have fun with the class into their late 20s but then they will start to feel the limitations of using teen level heals. I explain that our heals are also rather ineffecient. I finally add that the Warden's heals are much more powerful than ours and they do near to the same DPS that we do... CURRENTLY. Now, I explain we've shown (*tip hat Rensu) the problems that we are facing and have gotten a response saying that the list has been 'seen'. We are hoping to see some changes, but WHEN or IF they will come is impossible to tell. Then I point them to the forums to do some research of their own.<p>Message Edited by GoVolz on <span class=date_text>02-25-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:50 PM</span>