Stinging Swarm + Cyclone

[Ryoh]

<DIV>Does Stinging Swarm stack with Cyclone? It looks like one DOT spell cancels the other out but I wanted to get a second opinion.</DIV>

[Cru]

They don't stack atm. Hopefully that will be fixed. Everyone bug it.

[Tec]

<DIV>They indeed do not stack.... some misguided person was saying they do on ign, however they do not. I tried cycolone and then SS and then tried SS and Cycolone and nothing.... only the last one reports damage back to me.</DIV>

[Batb]

<DIV>they dont stack, and stranger still is the lower level swarm spell had  a defense debuff effect and cyclone has no debuff effect, it amazes me that this can got through the design stage without anyone noticing higher is much worse. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What annoys me is not the bug but that there has been no response from SOE on this or any number or priest issues, its a disgrace and crazy frankly considering WoW has just been released this kind of community feedback from SOE is hopeless and Im losing patience with it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But let them prove me wrong, I will wait and see )</DIV>

[Setli]

<DIV>No, it doesn't stack.  I too have also bugged it.  It's taking them far too long to fix this or at least comment on it.</DIV>

[Ryoh]

<DIV>Thanks for the response. I will indeed /bug it. I was told that the Warden DOTs stack <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I want mine to stack too. It's very un-Fury-like.</DIV>

[ShayalynSilvermyst]

They appear to stack, now. Or is it just my imagination? I would swear I've seen two DoT hits displayed over the mob's heads. Could be me mind playing tricks on me, though; I get bonked in the head on a regular basis.

[Babayaaga]

<DIV>Best way to verify if your spells are stacking is to create a new chat window and filter only the effects you want to see, in this case under Spells > Your Hits. I have one set up using this, and my melee hits, and damage shield.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>No, our dots do not stack. If you cast one, and immediately cast the other, it will overwrite the previous dot. What's even more perturbing is that our 2 damage shields aren't stacking either. I am also concerned about our debuffs.</DIV>

[Griblok]

<blockquote><hr>Babayaaga wrote:<DIV>What's even more perturbing is that our 2 damage shields aren't stacking either.</DIV><hr></blockquote>I would bet that the DoT stacking is a bug and will get fixed eventually, but you will NEVER see fury damage shields stacking with each other.

[Setli]

<DIV>Everything here about what it is suppose to be, is <STRONG>all</STRONG> opinion.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Until I hear from a SOE employee about the "problems" with the class we will not know anything that is factual about DOT's and damage shields.</DIV>

[MysticoN]

i realy hope this bug whil be fix soon:/

[Lazarus Lo]

<DIV>Bugged it today as well.  But I'm not holding my breath.  I was willing to give SOE the benefit of the doubt on thier FLAGSHIP game, even after I swore off all Sony products after SWG.... but it looks like the same old same old.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'll continue to play through my pre-paid, and might stick it out a few months after that to give them a chance to iron the wrinkles out, but the lack of communication here on the boards, and the lack of results in the game speak VOLUMES for the future of this game.  That, coupled with the assanine decisions already coming out (tier 2 harvesting anyone?) because of the whiners lead me to believe that this game will degenerate to the lowest common denominator sooner than later.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please prove me wrong Sony.  I've been looking for a game to stay with.  I was hoping this was it.  I beta'd WoW, and while graphically and content-wise it has nothing on this game, it was remarkably free of these kind of game breaking defects.  In addition, they were very communicative on the boards and in the game... and we all know that isn't your strong suit.</DIV>

[Lazarus Lo]

<DIV>Now that I have Cyclone - it shows up in my maintained spell window - just like I always though Stinging Swarm should have... gonna bug that too.</DIV>

[B3r]

<DIV>I have seen both dot's stack but they are definately bugged as they do not do it all the time. As for damage shields, both nettle and bristle stack, atleast they do for me, everytime.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lomax, 23 Fury, Runnyeye</DIV>

[Maizey3]

<DIV>I haven't tested in a week or so, but here were my conclusions - </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Stinging Swarm & Cyclone did not stack.  They would cancel each other out.</DIV> <DIV>Nettles & Bristles did not stack.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for who is right or wrong, there could be good ole fashioned human error, but let's not forget this is a new game and very buggy.</DIV>

[Jiggers]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>i hope this gets fixed soon. . .. i just used my rare coral to make stinging swarm (adept III), and an hour later i ding and get cyclone.  i would hate to have wasted my only rare ever on a spell that cannot stack =(.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Trala]

<DIV>These dots do not stack.  Our upgrade to SS is called Deadly Swarm and does stack with Cyclone.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-Tralaix </DIV> <DIV>32 Fury </DIV>

[kerev]

<DIV>Edit: Bah, forgot to quote - To the person who thought he was seeing two damage messages over the mob's head: </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Does the Fury Cyclone dot do extra damage vs elementals like Chill does?  Were you fighting an elemental?  Maybe that was it? </DIV><p>Message Edited by kereven on <span class=date_text>12-10-2004</span> <span class=time_text>10:24 AM</span>

[Korolen]

<DIV>I'm giving them the first free month. If they haven't fixed 'easy' things such as higher level spells doing higher dmg / heals whatever, I'm out. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Specially when all I hear is NOTHING from SOE. I have a buddy playing WoW and although I'm not a fan of the graphics that game has ironed out a lot of these bugs already (open beta SOE? naaa..).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I as well vowed not to let SOE take me for a ride like they did with SWG, they have till Dec 26. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Say something you cowards! Address the issues! This is what you have a forum for!</DIV>

[Amei]

<DIV>I'm curious as to why people are saying they do not stack.  Mine stack every single time (ss and cyclone).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Try it.  Pick a mob that can't hurt you.  Put on [Removed for Content] and watch the damage.  Add a Cyclone and see.  For me I always get both sets of numbers above the mobs head.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>SS doesn't last as long as cyclone.  SS also does not show in the maintained spells window (bug?).  "Insects disperse" is the only way I've seen to know when the SS ends.</DIV>

[Kyll]

<DIV>That would be great, amei - I'm going to check today - maybe that old bug has been stealth fixed...</DIV>

[Ooze19]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Amei wrote:<BR> <DIV>I'm curious as to why people are saying they do not stack.  Mine stack every single time (ss and cyclone).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Try it.  Pick a mob that can't hurt you.  Put on [Removed for Content] and watch the damage.  Add a Cyclone and see.  For me I always get both sets of numbers above the mobs head.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>SS doesn't last as long as cyclone.  SS also does not show in the maintained spells window (bug?).  "Insects disperse" is the only way I've seen to know when the SS ends.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>I have tried it..no luck Cyclone cancels my SS everytime</DIV>

[Ryoh]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Amei wrote:<BR> <DIV>I'm curious as to why people are saying they do not stack.  Mine stack every single time (ss and cyclone).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Try it.  Pick a mob that can't hurt you.  Put on [Removed for Content] and watch the damage.  Add a Cyclone and see.  For me I always get both sets of numbers above the mobs head.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>SS doesn't last as long as cyclone.  SS also does not show in the maintained spells window (bug?).  "Insects disperse" is the only way I've seen to know when the SS ends.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> I tried that too Amei and one always cancels the other out. Maybe it's like the racial traits and traditions... some people get those while others like myself don't. What race are you Amei? I am a Woodelf.

[IsaacMorningst]

<blockquote><hr>Ryohki wrote:<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Amei wrote:<DIV>I'm curious as to why people are saying they do not stack. Mine stack every single time (ss and cyclone).</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Try it. Pick a mob that can't hurt you. Put on [Removed for Content] and watch the damage. Add a Cyclone and see. For me I always get both sets of numbers above the mobs head.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>SS doesn't last as long as cyclone. SS also does not show in the maintained spells window (bug?). "Insects disperse" is the only way I've seen to know when the SS ends.</DIV><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I tried that too Amei and one always cancels the other out. Maybe it's like the racial traits and traditions... some people get those while others like myself don't. What race are you Amei? I am a Woodelf.<hr></blockquote>Jumping on that bandwagon. Does not stack for me.

[Maizey3]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Amei wrote:<BR> <DIV>I'm curious as to why people are saying they do not stack.  Mine stack every single time (ss and cyclone).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Try it.  Pick a mob that can't hurt you.  Put on [Removed for Content] and watch the damage.  Add a Cyclone and see.  For me I always get both sets of numbers above the mobs head.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>SS doesn't last as long as cyclone.  SS also does not show in the maintained spells window (bug?).  "Insects disperse" is the only way I've seen to know when the SS ends.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>I've tried it as well - no luck.  I've tried it using SS first as well as Cyclone first.  They cancel each other out.  It's been a few weeks, I'll try again tonight to verify.</FONT></DIV>

[Kyll]

<DIV>Well, I'll try when servers are back up :smileymad:</DIV>

[IsaacMorningst]

<blockquote><hr>Maizey3 wrote:<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Amei wrote:<DIV>I'm curious as to why people are saying they do not stack. Mine stack every single time (ss and cyclone).</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Try it. Pick a mob that can't hurt you. Put on [Removed for Content] and watch the damage. Add a Cyclone and see. For me I always get both sets of numbers above the mobs head.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>SS doesn't last as long as cyclone. SS also does not show in the maintained spells window (bug?). "Insects disperse" is the only way I've seen to know when the SS ends.</DIV><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV>I've tried it as well - no luck. I've tried it using SS first as well as Cyclone first. They cancel each other out. It's been a few weeks, I'll try again tonight to verify.</FONT></DIV><hr></blockquote>If I'm not mistaken (which, amazingly, does happen from time to time <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />), Cyclone always cancels out Stinging Swarm. If I cast SS and then Cyclone, Cyclone takes effect. If I cast Cyclone and then SS, Cyclone stays in effect.I'm 99% positive this is what happens, as I was trying to play around with it one night. Of course there's that 1%... I'll have to try again when I get home tonight, unless someone beats me to it.

[Omari]

I know it's been said over and over but I will say it once more. For me they do NOT stack. I have stinging swarm adept 1 and only aap1 for cyclone. The difference in damage output per tick is vast (SS doing almost twice the damage per tick). Cylone seems to always over wright SS ... always. Maybe there is a weird bug somewhere that makes it stack for certain people, but it is not stacking for me as of now. I seriously hope that Sony does address all the stacking issues in some fashion (at least a statement) with the big patch. I am giving them the benifit of the holidays and being understaffed etc as to why they may not have commented yet. We'll see what they do in the New Year.

[Perilous Wi]

<DIV>Almost Janurary, and no, they still do not stack. :smileysad:</DIV>

[FumoFu]

<DIV>just hit 31 and tried the 2 spells.. and they did indeed stack. had 28 ticking for stinging and 50 for cyclone... can someone else confirm this also?</DIV>

[Perilous Wi]

<DIV>I'm level 25, just re-tested again, and still do not have Cyclone & SS stacking as they should.</DIV> <DIV>Screenshots taken which demonstrate how Cyclone voids SS all together.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>First cast:  Stinging Swarm</DIV> <DIV>Second cast:  Cyclone</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v252/perilouswish/EQ2/ss_cyclone.gif" target=_blank>http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v252/perilouswish/EQ2/ss_cyclone.gif</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>First cast: Cyclone</DIV> <DIV>Second cast: Stinging Swarm</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v252/perilouswish/EQ2/cyclone_ss.gif" target=_blank>http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v252/perilouswish/EQ2/cyclone_ss.gif</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Perilous Wish on <span class=date_text>12-28-2004</span> <span class=time_text>08:04 PM</span>

[TimboSilvermi]

<BLOCKQUOTE><EM>Cyclone always cancels out Stinging Swarm. If I cast SS and then Cyclone, Cyclone takes effect. If I cast Cyclone and then SS, Cyclone stays in effect.</EM><BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>I believe this is correct.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Spell stacking is going to be one of the issues adressed in the big patch coming up next year.. er I mean next week.</DIV>

[Perilous Wi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TimboSilvermist wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><EM>Cyclone always cancels out Stinging Swarm. If I cast SS and then Cyclone, Cyclone takes effect. If I cast Cyclone and then SS, Cyclone stays in effect.</EM><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>If you review the screen shot data in the links I provided two posts up, you will see that casting either one first will<EM> still </EM>result in Cyclone overriding SS,  even if you cast Cyclone and then SS.  Cyclone still cancles SS.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>First cast: Cyclone</DIV> <DIV>Second cast: Stinging Swarm</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v252/perilouswish/EQ2/cyclone_ss.gif" target=_blank><FONT color=#c8c1b5>http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v252/perilouswish/EQ2/cyclone_ss.gif</FONT></A></DIV></DIV><p>Message Edited by Perilous Wish on <span class=date_text>12-29-2004</span> <span class=time_text>01:56 AM</span>

[darkshm]

Yeah, Cyclone definitely cancels SS regardless of order cast - it's done that as long as I've had Cyclone (about a week now). That's why I SS first (for the debuff) and then stick to cyclone. It's annoying having to still use smite though just to finish off HOs cuz casting SS is too expensive (with basically no result if cyclone is still going). It's even more annoying considering how long cyclone lasts, I wouldn't mind the slow DoT of cyclone if I could toss an SS in every once in a while too.I'm hoping this'll be fixed (as everyone else is) in the "big patch" coming up next weekish. If not, I'll just pout a bit more. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Perilous Wi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> darkshmoo wrote:<BR>Yeah, Cyclone definitely cancels SS regardless of order cast - it's done that as long as I've had Cyclone (about a week now). That's why I SS first (for the debuff) and then stick to cyclone. It's annoying having to still use smite though just to finish off HOs cuz casting SS is too expensive (with basically no result if cyclone is still going). It's even more annoying considering how long cyclone lasts, I wouldn't mind the slow DoT of cyclone if I could toss an SS in every once in a while too.<BR><BR>I'm hoping this'll be fixed (as everyone else is) in the "big patch" coming up next weekish. If not, I'll just pout a bit more. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Chill works very well in an HO.  I brought that puppy up to App3 status and it does roughly 85-90 damage. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Luckily you're only a few levels away  Strike of Thunder,  the direct damage spell you get at 24. =)<BR></DIV> <p>Message Edited by Perilous Wish on <span class=date_text>12-29-2004</span> <span class=time_text>10:00 AM</span>

[GoVo]

<DIV>I believe the reason they don't stack is they are both of the damage type Devine.  Shaman's DoT stack and my impression is because one is poison damage type and the other is disease.</DIV>

[Arga]

<DIV>It seems to be my experience that they do stack now.</DIV>

[GoVo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Argain wrote:<BR> <DIV>It seems to be my experience that they do stack now.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> And you base this on?  Can you bring your proof to the community?

[Lancealittle]

<DIV>Cyclone should be cold damage. Even Stinging Swarm should be piercing damage. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm playing on test, and am only 21, so I don't know if it will be fixed in the 'big patch' on the way. If I get Cyclone before the patch goes live, I'll let everyone know.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[GoVo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lancealittle wrote:<BR> <DIV>Cyclone should be cold damage. Even Stinging Swarm should be piercing damage. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm playing on test, and am only 21, so I don't know if it will be fixed in the 'big patch' on the way. If I get Cyclone before the patch goes live, I'll let everyone know.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Thanks alot Lancealittle.  As said in another thread.  We really appreciate the time you take to play on test and report back to here.  Well done!!

[Mjk_cz]

Tried properly, doesn't work.