You better get your Fury!

[Kazac1]

<DIV>it was listed somewhere and I forget where but the Furys MAIN purpose is we increase group DPS with out spells and buffs and lets not forget our form of Beastlord crack *sorry die hard BST* Vurdure which lets us regen power and health faster out of combat. people are forgetting that a Fury is a MAJOR important member of the group and shouldnt be passed over lightly. we make you kill stuff faster. plus we are pretty deadly with a sword and can heal to boot, why not want a fury in your group? /boggle</DIV>

[Bobfish]

<DIV>Well.. our primary skill is healing, our secondary is offensive buffing... I wouldn't say we were good dps though, we're nothing compared to a mage or scout.</DIV>

[Brist]

<DIV>Every class is underappreciated at times</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It can be a matter of group balance. A group with 3 healers isn't likely to want a Fury because they need people in the other roles. Sometimes of course it can be simple ignorance - they might think we're just half-arsed healers who can bite people</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I really wouldn't worry about it, it takes a while to get groups sometimes which is why you need to build up a network of in-game friends</DIV>

[hammong]

<DIV>Considering that Furies are first and foremost a Priest class, we are primarily healers.   We just happen to be healers with an attitude, and able to dish out some good utility spells, buffs, and nukes.   </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've seen the comparison of Furies in terms of DPS, and quite frankly, we're horrible DPS compared to almost every offensively-minded class.   Sorcerors, Magicians, Scouts, Brawlers, and Berserkers are all vastly better in DPS, but that is also their role.   I think we do have comparable DPS to Guardians and Crusaders, and we likely have superior DPS compared to Enchanters, Shaman, and Clerics.   Add that up, and what you get is a toon that does a "average" job healing and an "average" job in DPS -- the key is we're flexible and can provide some benefit to ANY group, but shouldn't be (A) Only Healer, or (B) Primary DPS unless there is no other choice. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>    Yeolan Holywinter</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[AidanGuyv]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Considering that Furies are first and foremost a Priest class, we are primarily healers.   We just happen to be healers with an attitude, and able to dish out some good utility spells, buffs, and nukes.   </DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <P> </P> <P>I very much dissagre, WE are Furys because we want to do damage over healing, as I see it we have a choice at 19 Druid to be a damage dealer (fury) or a healer (warden).  Tho regardless of what you may belive, I have told my friends time and time again that i AM NOT a healer, i have healing spells and that helps us survive in some fights, but if you want to expect me to save your life your SOL, thats what a cleric is for. Now i have quite a few adept 3's so my healing and regens can out heal the clerics that i group with but thats inconsiquencial since they'll still waest my mana healing someone when i already have a regen on him. My nukes and dot's and attacking helps out so much more.  I deal damage and heal as a side note, as the way i understand this class was suposd to be. I played and loved being a BST in EQ1 but i feel that being a Fury satisfys my addiction, sacrificeing  a pet (that still wouldn't lisen right) for healing that lest me be even more of a group asset. I'm actualy a tank most of the time in my duo/trio times and no one worrys about me if i get aggro in a full group (taunt still not quite right but it's getting there).  I deal damage and take care of myself and if you need patch healing i'm your man, if you can't find a healer i can subsitute sometimes, if you are in Dire ned of healing ... Gather your shard now and got your LFC up ( looking for cleric). </P>

[Bobfish]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> AidanGuyver wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Considering that Furies are first and foremost a Priest class, we are primarily healers.   We just happen to be healers with an attitude, and able to dish out some good utility spells, buffs, and nukes.   </DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <P> </P> <P>I very much dissagre, WE are Furys because we want to do damage over healing, as I see it we have a choice at 19 Druid to be a damage dealer (fury) or a healer (warden).  Tho regardless of what you may belive, I have told my friends time and time again that i AM NOT a healer, i have healing spells and that helps us survive in some fights, but if you want to expect me to save your life your SOL, thats what a cleric is for. Now i have quite a few adept 3's so my healing and regens can out heal the clerics that i group with but thats inconsiquencial since they'll still waest my mana healing someone when i already have a regen on him. My nukes and dot's and attacking helps out so much more.  I deal damage and heal as a side note, as the way i understand this class was suposd to be. I played and loved being a BST in EQ1 but i feel that being a Fury satisfys my addiction, sacrificeing  a pet (that still wouldn't lisen right) for healing that lest me be even more of a group asset. I'm actualy a tank most of the time in my duo/trio times and no one worrys about me if i get aggro in a full group (taunt still not quite right but it's getting there).  I deal damage and take care of myself and if you need patch healing i'm your man, if you can't find a healer i can subsitute sometimes, if you are in Dire ned of healing ... Gather your shard now and got your LFC up ( looking for cleric). </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Then you are going to be disappointed with your Fury. There are two roles in Everquest 2.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1) Keep group alive</DIV> <DIV>2) Kill mobs</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>All fighters and priests fall into role 1, all mages and scouts fall into catergory 2. No matter what your secondary skills are they are NEVER going to be as good as another classes primary skills. To think that a Furies secondary skill (nuke) will come close to any mages primary skill (nuke), is laughable. Whether it is a Sorcerer, Enchanter or Summoner, they all nuke for much more than a Druid, and when they progress to Wizard, Warlock, Coercer, Illusionist, Conjurer and Necromancer, the same applies. Their damage per second is much better than ours.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yes a Fury can kick a little more **ZOMG** than a Warden, but that Warden will live longer so the DPS is the same!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I played a BST in EQ1, it was fantastic fun, as far as EQ2 goes, there is nothing like it, not a single class comes close to the BST, so I went with my second choice, a healer. But I never really liked clerics, got fairly high with a mystic in beta.. and that left druid for release. What can I say, other than sorry, but we are healers.</DIV>

[elorei]

<DIV>aidan if yu picked fury to do damage over healing...well...you picked wrong.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>furies are healers.  that is their job.  no one can do it better.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>can they debuff? yes.  can they buff? yes.  (in fact some of the fury bufs are just insane)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>can they do impressive damage?  no.  not even close.</DIV>

[Baelzharon]

<blockquote><hr>AidanGuyver wrote:<BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><HR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV>Considering that Furies are first and foremost a Priest class, we are primarily healers. We just happen to be healers with an attitude, and able to dish out some good utility spells, buffs, and nukes. </DIV><DIV><HR></DIV><P> </P><P>I very much dissagre, WE are Furys because we want to do damage over healing, as I see it we have a choice at 19 Druid to be a damage dealer (fury) or a healer (warden). Tho regardless of what you may belive, I have told my friends time and time again that i AM NOT a healer, i have healing spells and that helps us survive in some fights, but if you want to expect me to save your life your SOL, thats what a cleric is for. Now i have quite a few adept 3's so my healing and regens can out heal the clerics that i group with but thats inconsiquencial since they'll still waest my mana healing someone when i already have a regen on him. My nukes and dot's and attacking helps out so much more. I deal damage and heal as a side note, as the way i understand this class was suposd to be. I played and loved being a BST in EQ1 but i feel that being a Fury satisfys my addiction, sacrificeing a pet (that still wouldn't lisen right) for healing that lest me be even more of a group asset. I'm actualy a tank most of the time in my duo/trio times and no one worrys about me if i get aggro in a full group (taunt still not quite right but it's getting there). I deal damage and take care of myself and if you need patch healing i'm your man, if you can't find a healer i can subsitute sometimes, if you are in Dire ned of healing ... Gather your shard now and got your LFC up ( looking for cleric). </P><hr></blockquote>In the long run our class breaks down to a healer who buffs player DPS and debuffs mobs dps. Sure we get a few pretty nukes but the added attacks, procs and damage shields we give out will out DPS our nukes in a fight. Even now at lvl 20 I am better off using my mana to keep the mobs debuffed then nuking them, and I can do this while still being the primary healer. I chose the Fury because I wanted a unique role in raids/groups. I didn't want to be just a "healer", and I played a wizard in EQLive so I was all done with being just a "nuker". The Fury has some amazing buffs and I think that is our tradeoff for slightly less amazing heals. They ballance out when used properly, and that is what I like about the Fury. I like having the flexability of not being pigeon-holed into one role in a group.

[PurrceyPurespir]

<DIV>At lev 25 I can nuke for 250ish, to me that pretty good. I can kill mobs faster than a warrior class so my DPS must be ok also. Then the fact that I can solo mobs 5-7 (<FONT color=#ff9933>solo tagged orange cons</FONT>) levels higher than me with out any problem. Let a lev 25 Guard/Beserker take on a lev 32 mob and see how well they do.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Fury's have a lot more going for them than you might think.</DIV>

[elorei]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> PurrceyPurespirit wrote:<BR> <DIV>At lev 25 I can nuke for 250ish, to me that pretty good. I can kill mobs faster than a warrior class so my DPS must be ok also. Then the fact that I can solo mobs 5-7 (<FONT color=#ff9933>solo tagged orange cons</FONT>) levels higher than me with out any problem. Let a lev 25 Guard/Beserker take on a lev 32 mob and see how well they do.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Fury's have a lot more going for them than you might think.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> hrmm, i know tanks that can do this no problem.  they are solo mobs, after all, so they dont hit hard.

[Ee]

<DIV>purrcey, furies have some nice DDs that can make them solo well - sure.  Infact, every priest can solo well because they can heal.  This is beside the point, in a group (unless there are three priests in the gorup) the fury heals!  Maybe tossing in one or two dds per fight as well as a dot... but our roll is to buff, heal and debuff.  Any Fury that joins a group to be a DD is either a) stupid b) playing the wrong class or c) told to because the group has TWO other priests.   If you still think you are going to group in higher level zones, and play the dd roll - prepare to have a lot of debt throughout your career.</DIV>

[Cru]

I think of Furies as the FFXI Bard. Bards were one of the highest dps classes in FFXI, but they hardly did any of their own direct damage on a mob. They made each member of the group kick a little more **ZOMG**. It wasn't enough of an augmentation to double someone's damage output, but if you added the bit more each person was doing, it added up to more than a single person. They did all this while making good backup healers.Even when I stack fury of eel, savagery, and predator on myself, I do decent damage while just auto attacking from procs, I've had combat window just spam to hell with over 200dmg in just one round of combat from procs. Multiply this by 3 melee's in your group.

[silverlight]

<DIV>When you figure out dmg of a Fury, you must figure in the group dmg. What I mean by this, aside from the direct dmg you are doing... How much more damage are you adding with a damage shield? How much more damage is the party doing becuase of your buffs? You get around lvl 29 or so, and if you put all your buffs on the melee, jsut sit back and watch the dps go up. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So aside from the healing part, you are contributing a ton of dmg. Not like a mage with one spell, but per the group.  If you put any other type of healer with the group, there dps is going to go down. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm on Permafrost, and I put on lfg and get several offers in very short amount of time. Shug, people seem to like the class on our server. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I figured out a purpose for Fleshweave -- if your the secondary healer, use it instead of regrowth. Adds dps, and still heals fine if you have another healer, If you are the only healer, use regrowth instead. </DIV>

[Kazac1]

<DIV>Ok you people MAJORLY misunderstood what I was saying our spells are designed to Increase the damage output of our group members, That is our primary function, healing is secondary becasue lets face it, we suck as healers when your tank has an enormous amount of health and a orange con mob ^^ is beating him down we can bearly keep up. we do ok though. but im just saying a grouped DPS output is increased by our spells. Morguard posted on this somewhere.......... but he was saying what different class's functions were and he stated furys was to increase group damage output via our spells. that is all</DIV>

[elorei]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kazac1 wrote:<BR> <DIV> healing is secondary becasue lets face it, we suck as healers when your tank has an enormous amount of health and a orange con mob ^^ is beating him down we can bearly keep up. <BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>hrmm, i dont seem to have any problems at all.  regrowth = 1180 health regen over 20 seconds.</P> <P>salve = 300+ health FAST recast.</P> <P>bloom, although grey now, huge heal for the relative power cost.</P> <P>efflor is at 444 health healed.</P> <P>sylvan wind can bring all the non tanks in the group from half to full in a single cast.</P> <P> </P> <P>vs a single target ^^ mob, this is more healing than either cleric can produce at same level, and most clerics arent going to have as much power (i have 1307 power self buffed at lvl 32, fruies get impressive power boost buffs).  the cleric shines facing multiple mobs at once, due to reactives.  if you can barely keep up, i assume its player error, because every fury i have met in good gear that plays well, does perfectly fine as the main healer.</P>

[AtomicPenguin]

I've played my Fury, and my wife's cleric in the same group makeup and both do fine. The heal types are different, but both were capable of keeping the fighter healed easily. My druid did more damage at the same level by a little bit, but the cleric will be able to wear better armor later.They're both very capable healers, it's just the style that's different. We've taken on some pretty nasty things for our level with only me to heal as my Fury... I think it just takes a little more knowledge and mastery of your spells since you need to be able to judge a regen against the incoming damage and when to add other heal types where a cleric can just cast and stand back.