Shhhh... dont tell anyone else

[KnYnE]

<DIV>I started playing a warden this last week. I have a mid-level SK, Wiz, and Ranger . The Warden is the best class I have played so far. Fits me perfect. Looks like EQ2 is gonna get another year out of me. The treant form sealed the deal. The little details (nest, bird, bee's) in the model really shows the energy the developers are putting in. Keep up the good work.</DIV>

[dizzi73]

<P>My main is a 70 Coercer, created on Day 1 of EQ2. I made a warden, and she is just about to hit 50. I must say I'm having lots of fun playing my warden, far more than my Coercer ever was at the same level.</P> <P>/hurrah for Wardens!</P> <P>/wave to the wardens here!</P>

[Lindl]

Treant form? What did I miss? I do have a bee form, but treant form?Enlighten me! <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Enaylalvl 33 warden on Runneyeye<div></div>

[quetzaqotl]

<P>The treant from the druid aa starter.</P> <P>And to the op alts always play differently than your main, you play them when youre bored, and its harder for you to see flaws with a class.</P> <P>Im not a warden but Ive seen some alts posting in our boards, but you can't say how good a class is when you play it after grind burn outs with your main.</P> <P>I have a coercer alt and I love soloing with him using charm and mezzing mobs and killing stuff from afar at times, does that make me an expert on the class or does that make me have the true "view" of a class?</P> <P>So yeah alts arent really good comparison material imo.</P> <P>So again Im not a warden but alts are toons you play when youre bored and have some fun with for short times, that doesnt make you an expert of the class or have a good eye for flaws.</P>

[Mishrac]

<P>Your first AA Ability... if you have a staf equiped you become a Tree, Sword a tiger and so on.</P> <P>Btw did get my warden out now since I have retiered my Trub... And dam why didnt I go Warden first <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> love the little Elf.</P> <P> </P>

[Lindl]

Time to get KoS then ^^<div></div>

[eclipse25]

<P>I've been playing my warden for about a year and a half now, got her upto level 70 and still enjoy playing her. </P> <P>I also created another warden on the PVP server (still in the low levels)</P> <P> </P> <P>What can I say wardens ROCK!!!</P>

[Teircen]

I don't pay a whole lot of attention to all the chatter people invest into how class X is overpowered or underpowered.  I figure far too many people will always find something to complain about.  Once in a while I'll glance at what's being said to see if I particularly agree with or disagree with something but mostly it's not worth the stress.  If someone told me Wardens were overpowered and needed to be nerfed though I might about believe them simply based on the fact that I do so enjoy playing one. :smileyvery-happy:  I haven't really played any other classes (A couple classes to 20 based almost solely on leftovers from collection quest harvesting) so I can't really compare it to anything else except maybe a Fury since I've spent more time trying to figure out the difference then looking at any other class.  People have told me Fury's are better fighters, better group additions, and just about as good a healer... you know what?  Given a choice I'd still pick the Warden.  Just a happier choice for me.  I really like our class.

[Teircen]

<DIV>Oh... and I went out of my way to get a 1H staff for the treant form.  I love using the treant form with dustcloud (leaves flying around effect) and then summoning the aviak pet (listed as Gorg?).  Birds and leaves everywhere. lol.  Occasionally I'll substitute the Form of the Strange Bear onto my pet just to have a change of pace and it's partly bird-like and still very foresty. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Crimson Dragon]

major props to you guys for enjoying the class and the game.<span>:smileyhappy:</span>i hope you never have to suffer through changes like liveupdate 13 that turned so many of the older wardens very cynical toward the class.<div></div>

[eccsolutions]

<P>My main is a Warden.  It was getting to be a grind so I took a break from playing her.  However, I am back playing her and am currently lvl 55.  I tend to be nice and mentor a lot so my exp climb is super slow.  Can't wait to get her to 70.</P> <P>I love this character though.  I have to say she has been the most fun,  Gotta love evac, gotta love Nature's ally (sorry having fun with my new spell).  It's all good.  Granted we used to really rock before the big combat update but we can still hold our own even now.  </P> <P><BR>Jen</P> <P>Lenasia LVL 55 Warden </P> <P>Myne LVL 27 Illusionist</P> <P>and various other alts</P> <P>Kithicor Server</P> <P> </P>

[KnYnE]

<DIV>Regarding the poster above that mentioned alts being a fun distraction. I played EQ for 5 years and never had a main. Just a bunch of characters in their mid 50's. I typically don't play a class looking for their weakness's, I look for their strengths. I guess that all comes down to what kind of person you are. Glass half full or half empty. Right now I think EQ2 is a much better game than when it first came out. I think they are headed in the right direction.</DIV>

[Annis]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> quetzaqotl wrote:<BR> <P>The treant from the druid aa starter.</P> <P>And to the op alts always play differently than your main, you play them when youre bored, and its harder for you to see flaws with a class.</P> <P>Im not a warden but Ive seen some alts posting in our boards, but you can't say how good a class is when you play it after grind burn outs with your main.</P> <P>I have a coercer alt and I love soloing with him using charm and mezzing mobs and killing stuff from afar at times, does that make me an expert on the class or does that make me have the true "view" of a class?</P> <P>So yeah alts arent really good comparison material imo.</P> <P>So again Im not a warden but alts are toons you play when youre bored and have some fun with for short times, that doesnt make you an expert of the class or have a good eye for flaws.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Since when does one need to be an 'expert' in their class before deciding whether or not the class is fun for them?  Fun is fun.  Be glad not everyone is so jaded and has nothing but negative things to say.

[quetzaqotl]

<P>I only mind when people go to a class'forum and tell how much fun their lvl 15 "insert class)  is and he doesnt see any flaws, when people are trying to get the dev's attention on issues being raised.</P> <P>No this isnt totally directed at the op just a trend I see on my own boards too, people playing alts or pvp and they come on a thread about issues a class has and say: "Lol thats not true class X is fun I dont see any flaws".</P> <P>As the title slightly suggests this poster is mocking people who post complaints on their class while the class he plays isnt his main, or maybe his new main.</P> <P>If people post valid issues its quite irritating to see alts and people who are only lvl 15 post that those complaints are invalid.</P> <P>What Im saying is coercers are screaming their lungs out on the forums, how would they like me posting in their forums (cause I have a lvl 15 coercer alt) that their class is so cool soloing is uber I can charm i can give powerregen its great nothing is wrong?</P> <P>Again this isnt directly aimed at the op but at a trend Im seeing on the boards, Im not a warden myself so this doesnt affect me and I do agree druids are stil fun to play but you shouldnt "undermine" a valid discussion.</P> <P>And yes I was being a bit grumpy hehe</P><p>Message Edited by quetzaqotl on <span class=date_text>05-24-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:44 AM</span>

[Formangenavn]

<DIV>I might not always do so, but this time I totally agree with quetzaqotl.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Another thing that bothers me are people that do say on occasion that there are major issues within aspects of their class, but use most of their time bragging about one thing their t7 master/fabled speced toon can do better then most other classes. Yay, good way of getting attention to the issues of your class :smileyindifferent:</DIV>

[quetzaqotl]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Formangenavn wrote:<BR> <DIV><STRONG>I might not always do so, but this time I totally agree with quetzaqotl.</STRONG></DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>No, EVERYONE agrees with me ALWAYS, its just that some people don't know it yet. :smileyhappy:

[xenocyst]

<blockquote><hr>quetzaqotl wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <p>I only mind when people go to a class'forum and tell how much fun their lvl 15 "insert class)  is and he doesnt see any flaws, when people are trying to get the dev's attention on issues being raised.</p> <p>No this isnt totally directed at the op just a trend I see on my own boards too, people playing alts or pvp and they come on a thread about issues a class has and say: "Lol thats not true class X is fun I dont see any flaws".</p> <p>As the title slightly suggests this poster is mocking people who post complaints on their class while the class he plays isnt his main, or maybe his new main.</p> <p>If people post valid issues its quite irritating to see alts and people who are only lvl 15 post that those complaints are invalid.</p> <p>What Im saying is coercers are screaming their lungs out on the forums, how would they like me posting in their forums (cause I have a lvl 15 coercer alt) that their class is so cool soloing is uber I can charm i can give powerregen its great nothing is wrong?</p> <p>Again this isnt directly aimed at the op but at a trend Im seeing on the boards, Im not a warden myself so this doesnt affect me and I do agree druids are stil fun to play but you shouldnt "undermine" a valid discussion.</p> <p>And yes I was being a bit grumpy hehe</p><p>Message Edited by quetzaqotl on <span class="date_text">05-24-2006</span> <span class="time_text">05:44 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>I HATE when stupid furies come and crap all over my warden forums, so there. *removes tongue from cheek* <3<div></div>

[mr23sgte]

Nerf Wardens if they are fun to play  /sarcasm<p>Message Edited by mr23sgte on <span class=date_text>05-24-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:06 PM</span>

[Crimson Dragon]

<div>quetz:all classes have issues. if someone doesn't see them, then let them have their fun. the point of the game is to have fun. if playing a level 15 warden is fun for them and they want to come tell the forum, so be it. i don't feel that the OP was mocking anyone, i just think he was enjoying the class and wanted to tell us. a lot of the people who have complaints have been playing the class so long that we remember the glory days of the warden. however, the class is still potent and if others are enjoying that, then i don't think you should post here complaining about low level people enjoying the game. i know someone who has been playing the game for well over a year and just got his first character past level 30. not everyone gets to level 70 in a week and a half and then starts dissecting the flaws of the class. some people roll a million characters before they find the one that suits them best. we play the game for fun, we play alts for fun. i think that if you have such a big issue with your "main" class then you should restart with something new and actually enjoy the game for a while.maybe you think the devs are stupid or something... but i think they would realize that a level 15 person who just made the character as an alt doesn't understand the full array of pros and cons of the class or any issues it has. most class definition continues well beyond the 40s, and you don't get your final new ability until 65. i'm sure the devs don't say "hey, the level 15s are  happy, so the class must be doing great"....that said.... i have been an angry, dark, and cynical warden since the massive combat revamp. it changed a lot of things, and i went from being an end-game player to not knowing what in the world my class was. i had to relearn every spell and figure out how to use it to its fullest. it was frustrating, and the release of KoS brought what seemed to be disappointing achievement lines and a lackluster spell list (most of the big buffs and heals i loved were missing). however.... i pushed on and i've gotten pretty good with the class. i've made use of my roots for once and actually learned to enjoy them where i once found them useless. while things are still drastically different from when i first began, i'm enjoying the class again and having fun with it in the game. if there is something wrong with wardens, i hope the fix it. not all of our spells are best used in every situation, but finding the balance and knowing when to use what you have is part of playing the class, and i enjoy that too. so.... i agree with the original poster. the class is fun. i'm having a blast.~level 70 warden main signing out</div>

[KnYnE]

<DIV>I have no intention of mocking anyone or any class. I was just excited to to find a class that plays more poweful (for me) then a Wiz, Ranger, or SK thru level 30 so far.  How do you determine a "main" when all your class's are within several levels of each other? Sheesh I am going to have to get a lawyer to sign off on my posts from now on.</DIV>

[quetzaqotl]

<P>Hmm "Shhhh... dont tell anyone else"insinuated for me that you made this post to show your "point of view" that wardens in this case are fun and a cool class whereas other people post about broken/subpar spells.</P> <P>So in short it looked to me that you made this post to say nothing is wrong with wardens b/c there are quite some posts about warden issues.</P> <P>I might ve written it too harshly, but thats just b/c Ive seen the same thing happen on the fury boards, in a fun thread with some drawn pics of people soloing and there came a lvl 15 toon who said "thats not true!" whereas he had never used the broken call of storms etc. I dont really like when alts or low lvl alts make claims that they know the class better than the people playing the class as their main or since nov 2004.</P> <P>This might not've been your intention, but as i said this wasnt all directly aimed at you but at a trend I see on the boards, a lot of new faces people playing pvp for instance and posting on the boards (there should be a mirror site for this as pvp vs pve are completely different).</P>

[Dragonlor]

<DIV>Wow, cynical and paranoid :smileywink:.  I read the OP's title as a small joke (similar to what Brigs did for a long time) where he doesn't want everyone to know that the class is good (in his opinion) either to avoid it becoming the flavor of the month or avoid the nerf bat.  I definitely did not see, nor do I see now, anything that says he thinks that he is the master of the class and that it is perfect and anyone complaining is wrong.   The day this game ceases to be fun and starts twisting me in knots (or stealing too much time away from RL), I'll just quit.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Dragonlord1 on <span class=date_text>05-25-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:53 AM</span>

[quetzaqotl]

<P>:smileytongue:</P> <P>You should know I was a bit grumpy from seeing the post I mentioned on the fury boards,  so that couldve clouded my judgement a bit.</P> <P>However I still think that someone who plays a class for a couple of weeks or who plays the class as an alt doesnt know a lot about the class to say its the best class ever or something like that.</P> <P>Yes I reacted a bit too much but that was because I just finished up reading the thread I mentioned and connected the dots maybe a bit too soon, ah well.</P>

[Crimson Dragon]

<div><blockquote><hr>Dragonlord1 wrote:<div></div> <div>Wow, cynical and paranoid :smileywink:.  I read the OP's title as a small joke (similar to what Brigs did for a long time) where he doesn't want everyone to know that the class is good (in his opinion) either to avoid it becoming the flavor of the month or avoid the nerf bat.  I definitely did not see, nor do I see now, anything that says he thinks that he is the master of the class and that it is perfect and anyone complaining is wrong.   The day this game ceases to be fun and starts twisting me in knots (or stealing too much time away from RL), I'll just quit.</div><p>Message Edited by Dragonlord1 on <span class="date_text">05-25-2006</span> <span class="time_text">05:53 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>from the brigand: there was no consipracy!brigands suck... save yourself the trouble and roll an assassin. <span>:smileywink:</span></div>

[Mishrac]

Btw this is a public forum so you can write what you want and when you want... If anyone are saying anything else they are a threat to democracy...

[Arielle Nightshade]

<DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> quetzaqotl wrote:<BR> <P>:smileytongue:</P> <P>You should know I was a bit grumpy from seeing the post I mentioned on the fury boards,  so that couldve clouded my judgement a bit.</P> <P>However I still think that someone who plays a class for a couple of weeks or who plays the class as an alt doesnt know a lot about the class to say its the best class ever or something like that.</P> <P>Yes I reacted a bit too much but that was because I just finished up reading the thread I mentioned and connected the dots maybe a bit too soon, ah well.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>I have to agree with Quetz (GAH!!).   Devs are human too (no, really) and if they scan forums and see a bunch of "wow..my warden is wonderful" threads, they can justify blowing past the 'would you PUHLEEEZ fix..<fill in the spell, probably Nature's Respite>' remarks.    In their meetings, they can then say "wow..forums is full of people who really love the class ^5!!"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On the other hand, those of us who have played one ..(or 2 in my case) Wardens to high levels.. are sensitive about what is broken cause every time you have a situation where the spell as written would have been useful, but doesn't actually work... you just get that much more irritated.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm with Kyros (eek sp?)...I'm dreading the next LU because I am bitter and resentful over LU13, and really tired of relearning a class I should be a master at.  <BR></DIV>

[quetzaqotl]

<P>Ehm.... I feel sad that you guys dont like to agree with me why all the hate :smileyindifferent:</P> <P>Behh you guys what have I ever done to you to deserve this cold a treatment :smileysad:</P> <P>Am I not a druid like you, If you p-rick (hmm language filter) us do we not bleed? If you tickle us do we not laugh? </P> <P>If you poison us do we not die? And if you  wrong us, shall we not revenge :smileymad:</P> <P>Hrmmm but then again you guys just dont know yet that you agree with me always so Ill have mercy on your soul.</P><p>Message Edited by quetzaqotl on <span class=date_text>05-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:44 AM</span>

[eccsolutions]

<DIV>I can understand the concerns being expressed.  When I say I love playing my warden, I do.  Does this mean there isn't problems within the class that need to be addressed ?....there most certainly is.  There is a HUGE issue with handling spike damage.  What I was saying is, we aren't as bad off as we were immediately after the Combat update.  We were nerfed hard and I wouldn't even play my warden (cause all I did was die). </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't want devs thinking that there aren't issues.  I don't have the higher lvl spells yet, as I am only lvl 55.  So, I don't know much about some of these spells.  Nor do I keep up on everything on the boards (I am very glad there are others who do).  I do however, see how bad it is for us with spike damage.  It is one of the most obvious problems I think we have.  I can be seen in any raid or group every single day.  But, I know that you guys are working to get other things noticed as well (thanks btw). </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So, my apologies.  I didn't mean to sound like we didn't have problems.  But, I believe almost all of the classes have their problems and I tend to take it with a grain of salt.  I do the best I can with what SOE has done with the class, until things are fixed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Jen</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lenasia LVL 55 Warden</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Myne LVL 27 Illusionist</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and various other alts</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kithicor Server</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>edited: typo (left word out that was needed to clarify sentence meaning).</DIV><p>Message Edited by eccsolutions on <span class=date_text>05-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:57 AM</span>

[Unmask]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> quetzaqotl wrote:<BR> <P>Ehm.... I feel sad that you guys dont like to agree with me why all the hate :smileyindifferent:</P> <P>Behh you guys what have I ever done to you to deserve this cold a treatment :smileysad:</P> <P>Am I not a druid like you, If you p-rick (hmm language filter) us do we not bleed? If you tickle us do we not laugh? </P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>We chase cats for amusement.</P> <P>dogs > cats</P> <P><BR></P>

[quetzaqotl]

lion > chihuahua

[Baynne]

<P>oddly enough i am one of the people mentioned in a previous post that rolls a million characters before i find my true niche.  i enjoy playing almost every class so much that it is hard to find the one i love tho most, tho i will say i only had to roll one chanter - i wont be making that mistake again <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P> <P>at this particular moment my current "main" is a 42 warden who should be hitting 43 today.  i definately have my ups and downs, but that largly depends on who is tanking for me that day lol.  this is one healer i definately cannot say is a snooze to play, i am always on my toes.  if i had to offer any advice to a new warden, it would be get use to letting people die to save the tank.  if a DPS goes down, there is still a chance.. if the tank goes down, yer ****ed lol.</P> <P>someone that has fun playing this class will make a great healer later on IMO.  i do have fun playing mine, but then again i have fun with all 50,000 of my alts too <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[Arielle Nightshade]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Baynne wrote:<BR> <P>oddly enough i am one of the people mentioned in a previous post that rolls a million characters before i find my true niche.  i enjoy playing almost every class so much that it is hard to find the one i love tho most, tho i will say i only had to roll one chanter - i wont be making that mistake again <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P> <P>at this particular moment my current "main" is a 42 warden who should be hitting 43 today.  i definately have my ups and downs, but that largly depends on who is tanking for me that day lol.  this is one healer i definately cannot say is a snooze to play, i am always on my toes.  if i had to offer any advice to a new warden, it would be get use to letting people die to save the tank.  if a DPS goes down, there is still a chance.. if the tank goes down, yer ****ed lol.</P> <P>someone that has fun playing this class will make a great healer later on IMO.  i do have fun playing mine, but then again i have fun with all 50,000 of my alts too <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Not to sound elitist, cause I do not mean it that way:  Someone who has played any class  - Warden or no - to 40 or further has a pretty good idea of the strengths, weaknesses and issues of the class, even though you don't yet have some of the spells that we are banging our heads on our keyboards over.   If you've had a billion alts and are now saying you like Warden, it's not the same as the aforementioned lvl 15 raving that we are all nuts because they <3 their warden!!</P> <P>You even said yourself "I definitely have my ups and downs" ....it's the downs we are trying really hard to get adjusted <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR></P>