Level 51-60 Adept 3 Upgrade Advice needed

[Arathon]

<DIV>Ok, besides the obvious advice to upgrade all the heals, and Damage spells which Ive done.  Im now at the point of starting to work on buffs and I wanted to get some feedback on buff upgrades.  My thoughts are:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1) Aspect of the Hawk - Adept one is nice, I havent seen the stats on the Adept 3 upgrade, but this is going to be my first one to increase.  The power and Wis are very nice on this spell.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2) Essence of the Great Bear - Ive got the Master one version of the Essence of the Kodiak, and the adept one version of the Great Bear is about equal.  I'm thinking this will be my second buff to upgrade.  Does anyone know the stats on the adept 3 version of this spell?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>3)  Benediction of the Wild - the Adept 3 only offers 8 more wisdom and agility then the master one version of Benison of the Wild.  Im not sure that its even worth wasting a rare on this until I have all the other things upgraded.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>4) Verdant Whisper - Im thinking this one is going to be essential to upgrade, but Im not sure.  The adept one version of the spell dispells 74 levels or so.  Does this mean it will dispell effects that are cast by up to level 74 mobs?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>5) Exhaltation of the Untamed - not worth the rare to upgrade.  Basically a useless spell (if not useless, rarely ever used).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>6) Sandstorm - Now that it doesnt really effect epics, im not sure this is worth an upgrade.  Anyone have any thoughts on this one?  With the caps so easy to reach in a raid, is the additional defense even worth it, now that defense has been nerfed?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>SPELLS NOT WORTH UPGRADING (Above Adept one):</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thorncoat</DIV> <DIV>Natural Instinct</DIV> <DIV>Natures Respite</DIV> <DIV>Silver Sylph</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks in advance for you input.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Arathania - 58th Level Warden</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Kyralis]

The ordering you have there looks about right to me. I'd upgrade Sandstorm over Exaltation, though (not sure if you meant your list as a strict ordering or just a list). Also, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Natural Instinct. Playing with that line post-CU has indicated that it can do wonders for improving melee hit rate on high-con mobs (such as raid targets...). Just too bad we can only put it on one person at a time. <div></div>

[Arathon]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Caerwyn wrote:<BR>Also, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Natural Instinct. Playing with that line post-CU has indicated that it can do wonders for improving melee hit rate on high-con mobs (such as raid targets...). Just too bad we can only put it on one person at a time.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Hmm, Im going to have a take a look at that.  There was a post by Moorguard post revamp that basically indicated the + adjustment didnt have the same effect as the pre-revamp changes.  Basically pre-revamp, the +15 (example, not exact number) to crushing/Piercing/Slashing made your effective level three levels higher than your current level.  Post revamp, this was taken away, and replaced with an "improvement" to the skill that does not raise your effective level.  Natural instinct adept 1 is around +39 to skill if Im not mistaken.  This doesnt make your effective level 8 levels higher, it just gives you a bonus to your existing level to hit.  I'm pretty sure that was the basic explanation that was given.  </P> <P>I've heare mixed reviews on the effectiveness of the spell post revamp.  But I have not parsed anything out.  Out of curiousity, what in the increased amt of the adept three version ?</P> <P>Ara<BR></P>

[Kyralis]

To be honest, I don't have it at adept 3 yet; I've been rather lazy about getting pearls lately. But with the Adept 3 of the T5 version, the bruiser in my group in poets at one point was reporting 50% to 100% increased hit rate on orange mobs, and a general positive shift in average damage against yellows. Not sure of the raw numbers offhand, though. <div></div>

[DresdenMalicaster]

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[Arathon]

<P>Thanks Dresdin,  been looking for copies of all the Adept 3's.</P> <P>Ara</P> <P></P>

[Arathon]

<P>I see you have Protecting Grove Master 1.  How much does the tree heal for in that range?</P> <P>Ara</P> <P></P>

[Mor]

Bah, too small.   I can't see them <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <p></p>

[DresdenMalicaster]

<P></P><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Morie wrote:<BR>Bah, too small.   I can't see them <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <P></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Yeah, while I was in the process of posting and fixing those pics the forums went down. I'll fix them as soon as I can to make them more readable.</P> <P> </P> <P>I can't tell you about the Protecting Grove for another level and a half.... got a slow start leveling going hard on my Sage.</P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by DresdenMalicaster on <span class=date_text>10-26-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:35 PM</span>

[Croa]

<P><BR></P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Caerwyn wrote:<BR>To be honest, I don't have it at adept 3 yet; I've been rather lazy about getting pearls lately. But with the Adept 3 of the T5 version, the bruiser in my group in poets at one point was reporting 50% to 100% increased hit rate on orange mobs, and a general positive shift in average damage against yellows. Not sure of the raw numbers offhand, though.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Yeah I can believe that. Even though I haven't fought many really tough group encounters yet, it still seems like tanks can hit higher level targets more often when I have that buff on.. particularly orange stuff.</P> <P> </P> <P>While I think they did change the way it factors in, I'm sure it still plays a huge role when fighting mobs higher level than your group.  I think what the devs meant is that it used to be some form or direct comparison between the offensive skill which made raising it by 5 effectively make the target offensively one level higher. They probably changed the calculations on how it factors in, but I'm sure increasing offensive skills (especially by the huge amount of the T6 spell) still makes a big difference but it's not a direct relation to effective level.</P> <P> </P>

[Sorano]

<P></P>Wow nice, grats on Protecting Grove Master1 Treefrog. I'm jealous! BTW I think Najena has the most vocal set of wardens on it lol. You, me, Aaeamdar, Croake, Tenolas and even Dortelor :smileytongue: <P> </P><p>Message Edited by Sorano on <span class=date_text>10-27-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:45 PM</span>

[DresdenMalicaster]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sorano wrote:<BR> <P></P>Wow nice, grats on Protecting Grove Master1 Treefrog. I'm jealous! BTW I think Najena has the most vocal set of wardens on it lol. You, me, Aaeamdar, Croake, Tenolas and even Dortelor :smileytongue: <P> </P> <P>Message Edited by Sorano on <SPAN class=date_text>10-27-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>12:45 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Yep, there's several of us that are active here =) </P> <P>As far as Protecting Grove Master I, it was a pretty good day. I logged in right after the servers were back up and started perusing broker before heading to work. Nearly spit my coffee when I saw the Master I up... immediately purchased. Then I decided to check the guild forums and found a copy of Test Update with all of the most recent Warden changes. Needless to say, I developed a sudden cough and missed work to grind :smileyhappy:</P> <P>I should hit 58 by Sunday and will post the numbers on the Tree at Master I.</P> <P> </P> <P></P>

[DresdenMalicaster]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Arathon wrote:<BR> <P>I see you have Protecting Grove Master 1.  How much does the tree heal for in that range?</P> <P>Ara</P> <P></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Just to tie this up, Protecting Grove Master I heals for 206-245.

[Arathon]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DresdenMalicaster wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Arathon wrote:<BR> <P>I see you have Protecting Grove Master 1.  How much does the tree heal for in that range?</P> <P>Ara</P> <P></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Just to tie this up, Protecting Grove Master I heals for 206-245. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Ok, thats what I was wondering.  I got the adept one version of the spell, and it seems to be healing in the 150-180 range.  If im not mistaken, Ive heard the adept 3 heals around 200 or so.  With your info, that confirms that the amount healed scales by level of the spell.  I'm gonna need to burn a rare on this one now.</P> <P>Arathania - 59th Level Warden</P>