DPS amongst the priest classes...

[Arjunne]

Hi there. Well, after playing as a 46 Berserker, and growing tired of the same old, I've decided to jump ship and play as a priest. However, I'm having tremendous difficulties in selecting which healer is "right for me". At first, I was 100% sure on warden - based on what I knew of them pre-patch. However, now that I see all of these problems, I'm not so certain. I will be playing primarily as a duo, with a monk. I was looking forward to playing a healer with some DPS; so basically, I'm asking this: Out of the good (Queynos based healers), how does the DPS scale? I imagine that clerics are worst, shamans in the middle, and wardens at the top? Any insight?Thanks in advance,

[Tuved2]

<P>No contest:</P> <P> </P> <P>Fury>>>>>>>>>>>Warden>>>>Everyon else.</P>

[Arjunne]

As in they are better DPS, or better all around as a duo partner?Thanks in advance

[Kyralis]

Definitely better DPS, and at the moment better all-around duo partner. <div></div>

[Tuved2]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Arjunne wrote:<BR>As in they are better DPS, or better all around as a duo partner?<BR><BR>Thanks in advance<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Oh yeah sorry, that's DPS I was posting about.

[Owlbe]

<P>  Yeah, I would agree with the others for Qeynos priests dps scale you're looking at Fury, Warden, Mystic, Templar for sure. </P> <P> </P> <P> Wardens are not too far behind Furys though and they play quite differently in dps mode (played both to the mid-high 30's)  Wardens kinda play like machine guns with constant smaller damage rolling in all the time while Fury's play like howitzers with big blasts of damage coming in bursts.  They both get the job done (for priests anyways).  Both are quite fun but for my tastes I prefer the Fury for dps.  </P> <P> </P>

[Zammik]

Furies are quite a bit better vs multiple target encounters, where it evens out more against single target ones.

[pedigr]

Furies out heal and out DPS a Warden hands down.  There multi target spells on a single target still out dps a Warden single targets two fold and have much better direct Heals and lets face it, thats what a tank needs when being hit for 200 each tick.  he doesnt want a 50 heal per tick when being kicked to death. Pick (in order) Fury Inq/templar other shaman/clerics Monk Pally .. .. .. Warlock .. .. Warden I play a 52 Warden and SoE (Lockeye) has ruined its healing. <div></div>

[Goozman]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> pedigree wrote:<BR>Furies out heal and out DPS a Warden hands down.  There multi target spells on a single target still out dps a Warden single targets two fold and have much better direct Heals and lets face it, thats what a tank needs when being hit for 200 each tick.  he doesnt want a 50 heal per tick when being kicked to death.<BR><BR>Pick (in order)<BR><BR>Fury<BR>Inq/templar<BR>other shaman/clerics<BR>Monk<BR>Pally<BR>..<BR>..<BR>..<BR>Warlock<BR>..<BR>..<BR>Warden<BR><BR>I play a 52 Warden and SoE (Lockeye) has ruined its healing.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Go play a Fury to 55. You may also want to learn about stuff like the different between DPS and Damage. The ae out damages, but due to cast timers and recast timers, hardly out DPS's you. Just from studying Fury and Warden comparative spells, if either one does nothing but nukes and dot's, the Warden would come considerably close to Fury using a propper cycle of recast timers. Neither can focus on DPS when healing, because both have to chain cast heals. After looking at Warden Heals, yeah the intial heal needs a boost; but as we know now, that's already happening so kudos.</P> <P>I get my information from my recipe book, I r sage, and have access to the game's entire spell database; and yes, I do see the numbers other classes see now, since scaling no longer exists.<BR></P>

[quetzaqotl]

<P>a voice of reason in the eye of the storm</P> <P>(the weather is getting better.... I hope)</P>

[Spag]

<DIV>Personally I am comfortable with the amount of DPS we can do.  I have no need to be upset if the furies can do more damage.  Though I want to be able to heal equally well, and have some sort of utility or realistic buffs that make up for the difference in damage.</DIV>

[KageMirai]

<DIV>I have noticed so far with healing that wardens do well with avoidance tanks like monks and we do have decent DPS, our DPS goes way up with Brigands around when they use their debuffs.  Either Fury or Warden would be good.</DIV> <DIV>~Kashka, 54 Warden, Lucan DLere</DIV>

[Taval]

I often group with Monks, and I think Warden/Monk grouping is quite enjoyable.  I always read that Wardens were better healers and Furies better damage dealers, but currently it seems that Furies really beat out us Wardens (in both areas).  In the world of SOE though, that is ever changing. In my mind I've always wanted to have a Wood Elf Warden (which I have) and a Dark Elf Fury (who betrays of course), but so far I haven't had the time to make my Fury, hehe. <div></div>

[Aaeamdar]

<span><blockquote><hr>Goozman wrote:<p>Go play a Fury to 55. You may also want to learn about stuff like the different between DPS and Damage. The ae out damages, but due to cast timers and recast timers, hardly out DPS's you. Just from studying Fury and Warden comparative spells, if either one does nothing but nukes and dot's, the Warden would come considerably close to Fury using a propper cycle of recast timers.<font color="#ff3300"> Neither can focus on DPS when healing, because both have to chain cast heals</font>. After looking at Warden Heals, yeah the intial heal needs a boost; but as we know now, that's already happening so kudos.</p> <p>I get my information from my recipe book, I r sage, and have access to the game's entire spell database; and yes, I do see the numbers other classes see now, since scaling no longer exists.</p> <div></div><hr></blockquote>Which, of course, is why its so nice for Furys to have high damage, long recast delays on their nukes.  A Warden chain casts to both Heal and Nuke.  A fury gets the very nice option of tossing in a huge damage Nuke and then resume healing.</span><div></div>

[Goozman]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>Aaeamdar wrote:</P> <P><SPAN>Which, of course, is why its so nice for Furys to have high damage, long recast delays on their nukes.  A Warden chain casts to both Heal and Nuke.  A fury gets the very nice option of tossing in a huge damage Nuke and then resume healing.<BR></SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>That was supposed to be the class "flavor", slow big nukes, fast small heals; for that very reason. But I'm often having to interrupt my nuke, because the cast time is too long and the tank is dying... when there is a second healer, that is rarely a problem, but wouldn't be for a warden either with a second healer. I don't think wardens should have to chain heal, they should be the 'vice versa' of what I just said about Furies. Warden HoT's should allow wardens to heal nuke nuke heal nuke nuke (like a templar !), while furies nuke heal heal nuke heal heal, but the heals just weren't good enough... that is a pretty primitive, number free way to say all that, but I think it came across well.</P> <P> </P> <P>edit: Id also like to point out that yes, I aknowledge this and am not covering anything up, but the subject was priest damage over a period of time, not what we are able to do inbetween casts or what strategy we use when solo healing or duo healing, or soloing.</P><p>Message Edited by Goozman on <span class=date_text>10-07-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:45 PM</span>

[Rappy]

didnt chose a priest to do dps.. certainly didnt chose a warden for dps.. i would have gone fury for that... so this discussion is about what? being that most wardens in here dont even care for their dps spells <div></div>

[Somniloquy]

<P>Hi.</P> <P>I duo quite often with a mix of other classes, all mates from guild for making writs and basic kill quests a bit easier.</P> <P>Warden is an excellent duo healer and matches most other classes as a perfect compiment.  Ok so Fury may have higher DPS but its not, well, HIGH dps in the first place.</P> <P>Warden DPS has improved a lot recently and has a nice AE and, of course seeing as in Duo play a lot of HO's are gonna be used then taking mobs down is not too dreary.</P> <P>Wardens heals are perfect for Duo play as well and so is their root spells and the rarely mentioned but totally wonderful Wisp and Sylph for rooting an entire encounter.</P> <P>And dont forget Warden buffs which also rarely get mentioned.  Wardens are uber-buffers of the highest order we cover a lot of ground and do it well.  In a duo you get the vigor...oakskin line for a sweet power gain on both players for example.</P> <P>Warden gets the nice Focus boost from wolf form as well and that is so useful to help avoid those nasty interrupts.</P> <P>Wardens have a nice survivability factor, hard to explain why, a mix of wolf form and the buffs I guess and of course, encounter rooting.  My warden has the best Kills/Deaths ratio of any of my toons and thats good news for solo, duo and small group play.</P> <P> </P>

[netswine]

If I read another comment stating that we are great as a duo with another healer, I am going to drown a kitten. Any healing class right now is great with another healer.  If Wardens think that we are balanced with all the other priests because we are "great duo healers" then we are really doomed. <div></div>