What sword to use

[Thibor24]

<DIV>I'd like to build up my sword skill as i have never used it and there are some nice sword items around.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What would be a good weapon for a lv 24 warden?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Can we dual wield? if not what is a good buckler?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>At the moment i'm using a great maul which has awsome stat increases but ill sacrifice that for some quick skill up on grey mobs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Any advice would be appreciated.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Bengal]

<DIV>Get yourself a fast sword for fighting grey mobs, if you are not worried about stats look into a steel short sword or something along those lines.  I had a scimitar on my druid because that is the traditional sword they can use.  I am happy to say that in EQ2 it is not so specific, I am currently using a pristing forged long sword, and love the look and stats it offers my warden at 23.  I am also working on the Ghoulbane quest.  I know we are not typical mele damagers, but think it would be sweet to have a warden with a hold sword like Ghoulbane (plus I played a pally in EQ1 and would like to get my sword back :smileywink<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For a shield, also look into getting a T3 Bucker from a local tradeskiller.  I am not sure of the wood, but it will last you from 20-30 when you need to upgrade to T4.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hope it helps, good luck with the swinging!</DIV>

[ickari]

<DIV>Cant dual wield I'm afraid.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I prefer using a symbol to a buckler so dunno about that.  Daleena (or whatever it is) the fairy queen at bone lake in Nek forest drops 'talisman of rainbow hues' which is pretty nice.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sword wise I used a Steel Scimitar from 23ish right up to level 30.  Now got a pretty nice feysteel mace <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[shtychk]

<DIV>Shield > Symbol....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That stat differance from a good shield to a good symbol is pretty minor, but the AC bonus form the shield & the blocking is pretty big....</DIV>

[Thibor24]

<DIV>thanks for the info, its all helpful.</DIV>

[neble]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> shtychkn2 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Shield > Symbol....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That stat differance from a good shield to a good symbol is pretty minor, but the AC bonus form the shield & the blocking is pretty big....</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Yep, symbols are mean't for mages my friends.  They may have some coolness factor to them for looks compared to shields, but you're losing out on a lot of AC if you choose symbol over shield... at least looking at all the symbols I've seen.

[neble]

<DIV>mmm, is there a feysteel sword and is it usuable in the 20s or is that not until the 30s?  Hmm, just check the broker and filter showing all items yellow - orange and dig through.  Myself, I'm using the langseax icenguard I believe it's called, awesome lvl 40s sword with a fast swing, good stats, and easy on the eyes with the graphic.  </DIV>

[shtychk]

<DIV>Feysteel is 30.. but shapped & crude ones can be used earlier...</DIV>

[neble]

<DIV>I take back everything good I said about swords, Heirophants Crook is da bomb.  Also, interestingly enough we use blunts much better than we use swords.  When I switched to the Crook I gained over 100 points of attack rating, keep in mind my slashing and crushing were both maxxed out and evenly matched.  We just don't do as well with swords.</DIV>

[Unmask]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> neblehK wrote:<BR> <DIV>I take back everything good I said about swords, Heirophants Crook is da bomb.  Also, interestingly enough we use blunts much better than we use swords.  When I switched to the Crook I gained over 100 points of attack rating, keep in mind my slashing and crushing were both maxxed out and evenly matched.  We just don't do as well with swords.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Is the HC a 1-handed or 2-handed weapon?  I saw it on the broker so I know I can buy it but I don't remember what the required level was.<BR>

[neble]

<DIV>2 hander, procs an AOE Earthquake that does upwards of 72 to each mob in the encounter in additon to having sweetness in stats and damage.  I compared it to a icen guard/upper 40s rated shield combo and found the crook to come out ahead in stats (not to mention the proc).  I'm glad too because when I started using it I fell in love with the melee damage.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It starts as a quest in Rivervale and requires Drafling Tower access, lvl 40, and a solid group that can handle lvl 42-47^^ group mobs.  The staff is orange to me at 43, I wanna say the earliest you can use it is either 42 or 43 since it cons even at 50.</DIV>

[neble]

<DIV>Word on the street is it's basically the best 2 handed blunt in the game right now, I have yet to see another 2hb that proves otherwise personally.</DIV>

[shtychk]

<DIV>That would have to be amazing dmg to compensate for not having a shield...   </DIV>

[Unmask]

<DIV>Maybe what I saw isn't the same wepon.  I know I saw a hierophant's something though.  Thought it was a crook.  Can any bad things happen to you if you do an AoE proc?</DIV>

[Dortel]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> neblehK wrote:<BR> <DIV>I take back everything good I said about swords, Heirophants Crook is da bomb.  Also, interestingly enough we use blunts much better than we use swords.  When I switched to the Crook I gained over 100 points of attack rating, keep in mind my slashing and crushing were both maxxed out and evenly matched.  We just don't do as well with swords.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Your information is way off base, we use 1hb and 1hs equally as long as your skill in both slashing and crushing is the same.   As a matter of fact my swords typically have 4 to 5 more attack rating than my blunts but im not sure if thats just due to str affects on the weapons, the difference between a 599 and a 604 attack are not noticable. </P> <P> </P> <P>Second in reguards to a level 22ish sword I highly recommend the Hopestone Longsword, it is actully a level 18 sword but it worked VERY well for me for many levels.</P> <P><A target=_blank href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/item.vm?itemId=8345">http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/item.vm?itemId=8345</A>  of course I am a little bias probably because I discovered the sword but it was a great sword non-the-less.  In higher levels I use the isen guard lansex or whatever its called, still using it at 46.  And there are several great buckers, frigid from EF and treebark? from Ferrott.  But im currently using the SBS.</P> <P> </P> <P>I only switch to Hierophants crook when farming greens and greys.  The extra stats on the sword shield combo are unbeatable. GL</P><p>Message Edited by Dorteler on <span class=date_text>01-10-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:47 PM</span>

[ickari]

<DIV>I'll have to take another look at bucklers... when I last checked I couldn't find any with comprable stats to those on symbols but that was real early on (bout lvl 10 I think).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>*runs to broker*</DIV>

[Flachett]

<DIV>im using a pristine conditioned ash buckler and a dwarven sword of cleasing while soloing, the sword has a nice extra damage proc against undead and I use a dwarven maul of cleansing while grouped because of the +34 power on it, it has the extra damage proc as well. snatched them both of the broker for about 50s each</DIV>

[neble]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dorteler wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> neblehK wrote:<BR> <DIV>I take back everything good I said about swords, Heirophants Crook is da bomb.  Also, interestingly enough we use blunts much better than we use swords.  When I switched to the Crook I gained over 100 points of attack rating, keep in mind my slashing and crushing were both maxxed out and evenly matched.  We just don't do as well with swords.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Your information is way off base, we use 1hb and 1hs equally as long as your skill in both slashing and crushing is the same.   As a matter of fact my swords typically have 4 to 5 more attack rating than my blunts but im not sure if thats just due to str affects on the weapons, the difference between a 599 and a 604 attack are not noticable. </P> <P> </P> <P>Second in reguards to a level 22ish sword I highly recommend the Hopestone Longsword, it is actully a level 18 sword but it worked VERY well for me for many levels.</P> <P><A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/item.vm?itemId=8345" target=_blank>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/item.vm?itemId=8345</A>  of course I am a little bias probably because I discovered the sword but it was a great sword non-the-less.  In higher levels I use the isen guard lansex or whatever its called, still using it at 46.  And there are several great buckers, frigid from EF and treebark? from Ferrott.  But im currently using the SBS.</P> <P> </P> <P>I only switch to Hierophants crook when farming greens and greys.  The extra stats on the sword shield combo are unbeatable. GL</P> <P>Message Edited by Dorteler on <SPAN class=date_text>01-10-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>04:47 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> You really need to look at your numbers again friend.  Do the math on your "P"-key stats.  I have at least a 100 point higher attack rating using the crook as a lvl 43 Warden then I do the Icenguard Langseax, and the stats and damage are far better regardless of whether fighting greens and blues, or oranges and reds.  My slashing and crushing are both maxed, so you tell me why there's a 100 points gap between the attacking rating of these 2 weapons.  You must have some ungodly shield I don't know about if you think the icenguard langseax has anything on the crook.<p>Message Edited by neblehK on <span class=date_text>01-11-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:20 AM</span>

[neble]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> shtychkn2 wrote:<BR> <DIV>That would have to be amazing dmg to compensate for not having a shield...   </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Yes, more than twice the damage of the 1handed sword Dorterler here is tooting his horn about.  I'd say the stats are a lateral move going from a sword/shield combo to a 2 hander (although he's lvl 46 and I have no clue what the stats are on the SBS since it practically takes a week to complete that quest and I'm only on trial 6 and will still need a DFC group afterwords), and basically your going from a defensive setup giving up the AC to an offensive setup taking on the ability to do extra damage (not to mention a proc which the icenguard lacks).   People brag about how great shields are, but I have to wonder if these people, namely Druids, understand we are not tanks and there's a very good chance you're gonna get the smack down by group mobs regardless of whether you wear a shield or not - as a Druid.  You need to understand we only wear <STRONG>light</STRONG> armor, that only puts us one step above being a [Removed for Content] mage in terms of defense.  I'd much rather be able to contribute the extra DPS that the crook provides, which is significant, and hope the tank is good at his job and holding aggro.  If not, I'm scewed anyhow.. shield or no shield.</FONT></DIV> <DIV></FONT></DIV> <DIV>Note I'm only referencing group encounters though, solo content may be different in reference to shields.  I don't know because I came to EQ2 to play the game they made... a group based game.</FONT></DIV></DIV><p>Message Edited by neblehK on <span class=date_text>01-11-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:41 AM</span>

[Dortel]

<DIV>No what i said is that there is no differnce that your attack doesnt go up from using a 1hc compared to a 1hs,  If you wanna compare 1 handed weapons to 2 handed weapons, sure the 2 handed weapon is obviously going to do more damage. If not, why would anyone use it.  But the point of this post was he was looking for a 1 hs to use and I was just correcting that 1hb is not better.</DIV>

[shtychk]

<DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV>I'll have to take another look at bucklers... when I last checked I couldn't find any with comprable stats to those on symbols but that was real early on (bout lvl 10 I think).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>*runs to broker*</DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Symbols will ahve better "stats" on them... But the extra point in Wis & Int isnt worth the 50-70 Ac your losing...  So your heal does 1-5 extra points ponts per cast, if that...  When a mob gets on you you be far better of with a shield...</DIV>

[neble]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dorteler wrote:<BR> <DIV>No what i said is that there is no differnce that your attack doesnt go up from using a 1hc compared to a 1hs,  If you wanna compare 1 handed weapons to 2 handed weapons, sure the 2 handed weapon is obviously going to do more damage. If not, why would anyone use it.  But the point of this post was he was looking for a 1 hs to use and I was just correcting that 1hb is not better.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Ahh, my bad Dorteler.  Honestly I don't think I've used too many 1hb in EQ2, just the citizenship mace way back in the day and I was still grasping the game let alone noticing stats back then.  I just noticed that in addition to the obvious damage that comes with a 2hb your actual attack ratting jumps up about 100 points, its pretty much a counter to the AC you lose for dropping the shield.  I dont think a lot of people know that 2 handers come with that added bonus.

[neble]

<DIV>Hey, do you have any stats on the SBS by the way?  I heard it was a kite shield, but you mentioned we can use it?  Another reason I switched to 2hb is I can't stand the look of a buckler on my back.</DIV>

[Dortel]

<DIV><A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/item.vm?itemId=16886" target=_blank>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/item.vm?itemId=16886</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It is11str 10sta 50hp 19 power and 188ac.  I gives off a fairly bright yellow tinted light.  It is a buckler but is more the size of a large round shield.  Unique graphic.  But i am always in wolf form since the illusion eyes use up a bone.  So you dont get to see it much.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Its not much in the way of wisdom or power, but I dont have any power problems.  But I do find myself on the edge in aggro from time to time in heavy fights so I found I really enjoy the hp and armor class from the items i have much better than a little bit of power.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>currently self buffed with 3k hp and 2800 ac.  That goes up much higher with group buffs though.</DIV>

[iae]

<DIV>What does SBS stand for?</DIV>

[neble]

<DIV>Shiney Brass Shield, it's a quest in Zek that you can start at level 30 from a named orc to the right of the bridge that leads into the Deathfist Citadel area.  The quest involves doing 7 trials for that orc with the first 6 being half group and half solo in a cave in the mines of Zek.  There's a 15 real time hour wait between each time you can try to enter the area where you do the trials at.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is the first quest that can really take you a week to finish no matter how hard you try, not to mention the 7th trial involves going into Deathfist Citadel itself and killing the Emperor I believe?  DFC access is a very involved quest all in itself.  Yes, I'd expect this shield to have incredible stats and they seem pretty decent.</DIV><p>Message Edited by neblehK on <span class=date_text>01-11-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:19 PM</span>

[Artr]

If you want a good weapon go with the tried and true. find a weaponsmith in about the 29-30 area and ask for a scimitar. they are pretty nice. http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/item.vm?itemId=12440

[shtychk]

<DIV>This is my fav. Weapon...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/item.vm?itemId=5362" target=_blank>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/item.vm?itemId=5362</A></DIV>

[Unmask]

<P>Shiny Brass Shield -- memories from EQ1</P> <P>Is it a heritage quest by any chance?<BR></P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> neblehK wrote:<BR> <DIV>Shiney Brass Shield, it's a quest in Zek that you can start at level 30 from a named orc to the right of the bridge that leads into the Deathfist Citadel area.  The quest involves doing 7 trials for that orc with the first 6 being half group and half solo in a cave in the mines of Zek.  There's a 15 real time hour wait between each time you can try to enter the area where you do the trials at.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is the first quest that can really take you a week to finish no matter how hard you try, not to mention the 7th trial involves going into Deathfist Citadel itself and killing the Emperor I believe?  DFC access is a very involved quest all in itself.  Yes, I'd expect this shield to have incredible stats and they seem pretty decent.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by neblehK on <SPAN class=date_text>01-11-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:19 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[neble]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Unmasked wrote:<BR> <P>Shiny Brass Shield -- memories from EQ1</P> <P>Is it a heritage quest by any chance?<BR> <HR> </P></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Yep, finally finished my SBS a couple of nights ago.  It's cheesey, but the best way to take DFC with a 6 person group is to go there with an all lvl 40s group and make sure at least 1 person is lvl 46 or higher.  Otherwise the final mob is pretty much impossible to do - 9 independent encounters mobs of either high 30s or low 40s, all ^^ mobs and all will attack at once unless they're grey... then you can take them one at a time.  Then it ends with Emperor Fist which was a con blue ^^^ mob to a lvl 46.</DIV>

[Unmask]

OK looks like I'll take my time with that one then. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> neblehK wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Unmasked wrote:<BR> <P>Shiny Brass Shield -- memories from EQ1</P> <P>Is it a heritage quest by any chance?<BR> <HR> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Yep, finally finished my SBS a couple of nights ago.  It's cheesey, but the best way to take DFC with a 6 person group is to go there with an all lvl 40s group and make sure at least 1 person is lvl 46 or higher.  Otherwise the final mob is pretty much impossible to do - 9 independent encounters mobs of either high 30s or low 40s, all ^^ mobs and all will attack at once unless they're grey... then you can take them one at a time.  Then it ends with Emperor Fist which was a con blue ^^^ mob to a lvl 46.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[neble]

<DIV>Well, it might of been 8, but who's counting.  It was the ^^ on every single one of them and the fact you can't AOE since they're independent encounters yet will all aggro.... those dirty devs are using game mechanics to try to get the better of us.  :smileytongue:</DIV>

[Dortel]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Artrus wrote:<BR>If you want a good weapon go with the tried and true. find a weaponsmith in about the 29-30 area and ask for a scimitar. they are pretty nice. http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/item.vm?itemId=12440<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Ironically, while scimitars were the only swords available to druids in EQ1, in EQ2 the have very poor wisdom and there are quite a few better swords than scimtars for us druids.