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Miele

01-24-2007, 07:19 PM

Hi all,I'm not (currently) playing an Inquisitor, but my gf does, so we're trying to squeeze every possible benefit from the AA trees for her. I alternate between a conjurer and a shadowknight.She picked the battle priest idea right off the bat, but with her being already lvl 37 when we came back to EQ2, AA are coming a bit slowly for her and so far she spent them for melee crits, some in the str line and the rest in EoF to get the combat arts conversion (or some of them).I have a couple questions about the EoF combat arts AA line: I suppose the combat arts raise in damage for each point spent in them, from 1/5 to 5/5, is this correct?<div></div>If I'm not wrong I read somewhere that they scale with levels and are undependant from the quality of the spell they replace, so they'll always hit for a certain amount with the spell at App 1 or at M 1, is this correct or should she keep upgrading the spells normally? (of course the spell version would not be good, but the question is mainly to estabilish a priority for making adept IIIs)I'm shooting in the dark here, but I assume that mobs avoidance is level difference based and it's made of misses, dodges, parries, and blocks, am I right?Thus, the last question: having 100% melee crit means that every hit in melee will always be at least max damage +1, but what about the hit chance? Are all guaranteed hits (vs equal level mobs) or there is just a bonus? Do the mobs block/parry/dodge still affect the hit chance or just cancels the misses? (ripostes are basically a percent of the parried attacks, so they are included in the parries, not sure this is correct).Hope you can help me to clarify some mechanics.Thanks in advance <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

TheSpin

01-25-2007, 02:13 AM

With 5/5 ranks in the combat arts you get the equivalent of the adept 3 version of the spell, but with some very important differences. The greater + to crit in the stamina line means it'll do more damage. The end line ability for the battle line will make them very power efficient to use. It scales up every single level instead of once every 14 levels like normal nukes do. Since they are combat arts they cast faster and cannot be interupted.

DwarvesR

01-25-2007, 05:27 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TheSpin wrote: With 5/5 ranks in the combat arts you get the equivalent of the adept 3 version of the spell, but with some very important differences. The greater + to crit in the stamina line means it'll do more damage. The end line ability for the battle line will make them very power efficient to use. It scales up every single level instead of once every 14 levels like normal nukes do. Since they are combat arts they cast faster and cannot be interupted. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> To give you some numbers as an example: I have my Litany of Anguish spell at M1. I have seen it crit for about 900 damage on moderately debuffed mobs, though usually it's in the mid-600's to low 700's without a crit. I have the Litany Circle AA with 3/5 points in it + my 100% crit on melee. I have never seen the Litany Circle hit for less than 850, and on debuffed mobs, AE hits of 1200-1300 aren't terribly uncommon. I'm actually kinda disappointed if I don't see at least 4 digits on my Litany Circle, though admittedly it's kinda rare unless I'm in a group. I have Affliction at M1 also, and Writhing Strike at 1/5. Even at only 1 point in it, it still does more damage with the guaranteed crit than the maximum that the spell version can do. The downside to the CA's that actually serves to balance out the damage a bit between CA/spell is that the CA's have longer refresh times. Even so, I parse higher using the CA's, and I don't have more than 3/5 in any CA yet, nor have I made it all the way to BC yet. FWIW, though, once you get to 57, I'd still suggest trying to at least Ad3 your combat spells. You can't always run in and melee, after all, so having the ranged version as good as possible is still very handy.

Miele

01-25-2007, 09:47 PM

<div><blockquote><hr>DwarvesRUs wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr></blockquote>To give you some numbers as an example: I have my Litany of Anguish spell at M1. I have seen it crit for about 900 damage on moderately debuffed mobs, though usually it's in the mid-600's to low 700's without a crit. I have the Litany Circle AA with 3/5 points in it + my 100% crit on melee. I have never seen the Litany Circle hit for less than 850, and on debuffed mobs, AE hits of 1200-1300 aren't terribly uncommon. I'm actually kinda disappointed if I don't see at least 4 digits on my Litany Circle, though admittedly it's kinda rare unless I'm in a group. I have Affliction at M1 also, and Writhing Strike at 1/5. Even at only 1 point in it, it still does more damage with the guaranteed crit than the maximum that the spell version can do. The downside to the CA's that actually serves to balance out the damage a bit between CA/spell is that the CA's have longer refresh times. Even so, I parse higher using the CA's, and I don't have more than 3/5 in any CA yet, nor have I made it all the way to BC yet. FWIW, though, once you get to 57, I'd still suggest trying to at least Ad3 your combat spells. You can't always run in and melee, after all, so having the ranged version as good as possible is still very handy.<hr></blockquote>Thanks both for the feedback.</div>

TheSpin

01-29-2007, 08:57 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Miele wrote: <DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DwarvesRUs wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> To give you some numbers as an example: I have my Litany of Anguish spell at M1. I have seen it crit for about 900 damage on moderately debuffed mobs, though usually it's in the mid-600's to low 700's without a crit. I have the Litany Circle AA with 3/5 points in it + my 100% crit on melee. I have never seen the Litany Circle hit for less than 850, and on debuffed mobs, AE hits of 1200-1300 aren't terribly uncommon. I'm actually kinda disappointed if I don't see at least 4 digits on my Litany Circle, though admittedly it's kinda rare unless I'm in a group. I have Affliction at M1 also, and Writhing Strike at 1/5. Even at only 1 point in it, it still does more damage with the guaranteed crit than the maximum that the spell version can do. The downside to the CA's that actually serves to balance out the damage a bit between CA/spell is that the CA's have longer refresh times. Even so, I parse higher using the CA's, and I don't have more than 3/5 in any CA yet, nor have I made it all the way to BC yet. FWIW, though, once you get to 57, I'd still suggest trying to at least Ad3 your combat spells. You can't always run in and melee, after all, so having the ranged version as good as possible is still very handy. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Thanks both for the feedback. </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Not only is it good to get your nukes upgraded when you get 57+, you want to work on evocation as you level up if you can. That's a problem I have on my inquisitor right now because his evocation skill isn't high enough to feel confident my non CA nukes will land, even my master strikes get resisted sometimes. BTW DwarvesRUs, there's a pretty signifigant increase in damage from 3/5 to 4/5 and again to get 5/5 for the CAs so I'd definately go clear up to 5/5 if you can. The difference doesn't scale the same amount of damage from 1/5 clear up to 5/5. Edit: by Evocation I mean Disruption, lol.Message Edited by TheSpin on 01-28-2007 07:58 PM

DwarvesR

01-29-2007, 10:48 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TheSpin wrote: Not only is it good to get your nukes upgraded when you get 57+, you want to work on evocation as you level up if you can. That's a problem I have on my inquisitor right now because his evocation skill isn't high enough to feel confident my non CA nukes will land, even my master strikes get resisted sometimes. BTW DwarvesRUs, there's a pretty signifigant increase in damage from 3/5 to 4/5 and again to get 5/5 for the CAs so I'd definately go clear up to 5/5 if you can. The difference doesn't scale the same amount of damage from 1/5 clear up to 5/5. Edit: by Evocation I mean Disruption, lol. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Really? It's looked to be 100% linear in progression when I've compared the numbers. Besides which, I've been trying to get everything converted to CA 1st, then "backfill" to get the 5/5. No worries. . it's in the cards, just. . . not quite there yet.