Hats off to a great post

[Vaeine]

<DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cosmos wrote:</DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV>Wow-- first let me say how surprised I am to hear Inquisitor's beeotching about their class! I thought we were the "happy little class" that never complained!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I haven't looked at the aa lines opened up to us in EoF and I came here to see what the rest of you thought were good choices to go for--imagine my surprise when I ran into this craziness!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>First of all, I am/was a raid healer for over a year with a top rated raid guild. I had nearly 98% raid attendance at one point and that was raiding 7 days a week. A couple of months ago my guild retired to go do some beta testing. During our raiding, I was consistently and I do mean CONSISTENTLY the number 3 healer on the parses. Always. Who beat me? Well, the warden and whoever was lead healer in the MT group--that's who. Notice I was <EM>not</EM> in the MT group. I was in the melee dps group. When I was not in the #3 position, and I was perhaps in the #2 position, was when my group needed healing--in other words, if the idiots drew agro. Well, ok, if they got hit by aoe also <IMG height=16 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif" width=16 border=0> I could easily hit the #2 position by being in a caster group with a buncha warlocks in it, and doing my normal reactive on the MT.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I debuffed. I nuked. I never stopped casting. And if by chance I was not needed to heal as much in a raid? Then I cast fanatisism and melee'd myself.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Inquisitors make a group better by virtue of their debuffs, and their "dps" buffs. We are not just healers. We are the premier healers of melee dps groups. Templars are the premier healers of MT groups (in a raid situation primarily because of their buffs.) We make the raid better by making the mob die faster. We heal by virtue of our ability to make the raid encounter shorter!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Its all about knowing your role and how to do it to the best of the programming of our class. <EM>Yes</EM> I will look long and hard at the aa's. I am <EM>not</EM> unhappy with my class in any way, shape or form! If you want to be a great healer, step up to the plate and BE one!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Misteri currently with Conglomeration of Inner Light on RE server</DIV> <DIV>(formerly Mysteri of Halcyon Affinity on AB server.)</DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV></DIV> <P>Now this is a great post from Cosmos! Someone who understands why there are differences between the healer classes and for that matter all classes.</P> <P> </P>

[TheSpin]

<DIV>I agree.  I read this post a little over a month ago and this post was a big part of why I decided to roll an inquisitor.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There was once a big problem in this game because every archetype's classes were just too similar to one another, especially priests.  Now that they are giving a little more variety and specialties to different priest classes people complain that they want to be able to do everything every other class does.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm sorry for those who feel the class is turning into something they didn't want it to be.  Especially after playing it for so long, as many of you have done, but if you want to fill a different role in your group, maybe it's time for you to try out a class that better fits the roll you want to fill.</DIV>

[menelaus109]

<div></div><div></div>I typed out a long and detailed response, highlighting the issues and making comparisons with other classes, then realised that you are just trolling so decided against posting itTake your trolling elsewhere, the posts here are generally made by mature, polite and experienced Inqs who highlight problems and suggest fixesEDIT: Response is meant for the OP not Thespin<div></div><p>Message Edited by menelaus109 on <span class="date_text">12-20-2006</span> <span class="time_text">11:38 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by menelaus109 on <span class=date_text>12-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:39 AM</span>

[ericshaitan]

<blockquote><hr>TheSpin wrote: <div>There was once a big problem in this game because every archetype's classes were just too similar to one another, especially priests.  Now that they are giving a little more variety and specialties to different priest classes people complain that they want to be able to do everything every other class does.</div> <hr></blockquote>The point here is that we don't want to change/modify/add variety to our class.... We want to improve our primary role to keep up with the increasing difficulty of end content encounters.<div></div>

[Vaeine]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> menelaus109 wrote:<BR> I typed out a long and detailed response, highlighting the issues and making comparisons with other classes, then realized that you are just trolling so decided against posting it<BR><BR>Take your trolling elsewhere, the posts here are generally made by mature, polite and experienced Inqs who highlight problems and suggest fixes<BR><BR>EDIT: Response is meant for the OP not Thespin<BR> <P>Message Edited by menelaus109 on <SPAN class=date_text>12-20-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:38 AM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by menelaus109 on <SPAN class=date_text>12-20-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:39 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Mature and polite? Sure does seem like there is a lot of hate pouring over from the acusation of trolling. Maybe my post count is lower then yours but I can sure see an intelligent post when i see it. Really don't know how you could be upset by what i posted. You suggested that you were going to make comparisons with other classes and I think that is the whole root to the problem. Cosmos post never suggested that things were perfect and yes did make passing coments about other classes but the majority of the post was an evaluation of the class based on its own merits and I appluad anyone who can do that.</P> <P>Now I'm sure that you won't like this post either, so bring on all your hatred I am thick skinned. Show me how to be polite and mature.</P>

[TheSpin]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ericshaitan wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TheSpin wrote:<BR><BR> <DIV>There was once a big problem in this game because every archetype's classes were just too similar to one another, especially priests.  Now that they are giving a little more variety and specialties to different priest classes people complain that they want to be able to do everything every other class does.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>The point here is that we don't want to change/modify/add variety to our class.... We want to improve our primary role to keep up with the increasing difficulty of end content encounters.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>The point to me is that <U><STRONG>you</STRONG></U> don't want to add variety to your class.  If all you wanna do is sit back and spam heals....I don't understand why, and I don't think this is the right class for you.  If all raiders feel the same way, maybe they can do what so many warlocks have done and betray their class.  I don't think any priest classes really got any signifigant boost to their healing from EoF aas.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Perhaps the answer would be to focus on new gear to increase your healing ability if you are disappointed with the AAs.  There's plenty of new heal related gear out there.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>*edited because I missed the T on they, lol.*</DIV><p>Message Edited by TheSpin on <span class=date_text>12-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:05 PM</span>

[ericshaitan]

<blockquote><hr>TheSpin wrote:<div></div> <div><blockquote><hr></blockquote>The point to me is that <u><strong>you</strong></u> don't want to add variety to your class.  If all you wanna do is sit back and spam heals....I don't understand why, and I don't think this is the right class for you.  If all raiders feel the same way, maybe they can do what so many warlocks have done and betray their class.  I don't think any priest classes really got any signifigant boost to their healing from EoF aas.</div> <hr></blockquote>*snicker* You did hit the nail right on the head there. (no sarcasim intended).  a little over 2 years ago I rolled a "Cleric" a master of healing.  Clerics have always been the #1 healers for every RPG/MMROPG/Fantasy setting.  And i choose to go evil since "good is dumb".  I love my character and have always loved my character.  The problem again, for the upteenth-billion time, is that I did not want to become some kind of battle priest.  This is not what are characters, 2 years ago, were desigend or intended to be.  We were and are healers.  Straight up and simple.  I saw the changes starting back in KoS were they were turning us into a kind of battle priest but there was still many great AAs to take for the raid-healing inquisitor.  But since the release of EoF there was not this same option, this difference in choices.  It was, "Congradulations, Your a paladin....I mean battle priest".  I don't just speak for myself here, my feelings are the same as many other raid healers out there. <hr>TheSpin wrote: <div> </div> <div>Perhaps the answer would be to focus on new gear to increase your healing ability if you are disappointed with the AAs.  There's plenty of new heal related gear out there.</div> <hr> Lol, my gear is fine, fully fabled, fully adorned.  And yes all healing boosted adornments.  Afterall..... I am a healer.  You should really level your inquisitor, join a major raiding guild, raid for a year. Then come back and post on these subjects.<div></div>

[TheSpin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ericshaitan wrote:<BR><BR><BR>Lol, my gear is fine, fully fabled, fully adorned.  And yes all healing boosted adornments.  Afterall..... I am a healer.  <BR><BR>You should really level your inquisitor, join a major raiding guild, raid for a year. Then come back and post on these subjects.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>You definately may have a point about my inexperience, but since I made this character post EoF and already have in mind that I don't want to spam heals an entire encounter if I don't have to, I think we may have just agree to disagree.<BR></P> <P>I do feel bad for all the inquisitors who are getting their class changed from their original idea.  I know EQ1 basically took a lot of their class ideas from D&D.  In DnD clerics do very well in the midst of the combat and don't need to hang out in the back of the group spamming heals.  Since there were no other really quality healing classes in eq1 (shamans were mostly debuffs and buffs and druids were too busy porting people for cash and triple kiting mobs)  clerics became the ultimate healers.  I like that they are swinging the pendulum a little more back toward the battle side of things personally but I do feel bad about those of you who didn't know this when you rolled your toon.</P>

[jago quicksilver]

the group reactive is by far the least effective way to heal a group for an AE, plain and simple, so we get owned if we have to solo heal for a group in a raid. if this ONE aspect was changed to help us out somehow, the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing would disappear.P.S    Dont forget that There is a cleric side to this class as well, and that we should have an option to up our healing as well as our DPS.

[Ssinu]

If our group reactive gave back *some* healing on expire with the remaining procs this would be a big help.<div></div>

[TheSpin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ssinurn wrote:<BR>If our group reactive gave back *some* healing on expire with the remaining procs this would be a big help.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>That's a wonderful idea.  I think I was a little grumpy in my posts this morning and a little too quick to oppose everyone's viewpoint.  I definately don't want us to NOT be better healers.  I know some of the other classes heals convert like this (though normally just the single target version).