SK or the FREEP Pally equiv; the Battle Cleric

[Ozgood]

<DIV>Hello all,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I recently came back to this game and joined a PvP server, Vox.  I asked around about the classes and based on the feedback I got from friends, I decided to go with the SK.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As I understood it, the SK is a casting offensive tank, the polar opposite of the Q brethren the Pally.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Well offensive is a bit of a stretch thus far.  I get out DPS'ed by dirges, Throubs, Bruisers (no surprise there) Furies and even our Warden.  Yes, I do have nice gear as well.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My problem is; what do I bring to the group as a SK?  My DPS?  My buffs?  My taunts?  Hmm......</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>SO I was reading these forums about the battle cleric and it got me thinking.  Could I, with the full blown battle priest spec, out damage or even match the damage of the SK?  If so, why in the heck would I ever want to play my SK again, lol!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Melee, Heals, debuffs and a little nukage as well seems that it could be a very interesting class....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Does anyone have battle cleric on a PvP server and if so, how well do you do, other than being tough to kill?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I miss my DAoC Heretic!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[ericshaitan]

Well, PVP is the sux, but.. I know on my PvE server, while raiding, I can match our SKs DPS.  Of course it is all situational but yes, we can break 1K DPS easily with the proper setup at level 70. <div></div>

[sunyata39]

Maybe you're just a noob if you're getting out DPS'd by druids/bards?<div></div>

[Ozgood]

<DIV>Maybe you're just a noob if you're getting out DPS'd by druids/bards?<BR></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Wow, good point!  Thank you for clearing up whether SK DPS is less than or greater to the new Battle Cleric!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>+1 post for you!</DIV>

[Loter]

<FONT face=Verdana color=#e9e6ff size=2> <P>I was just reading on this forum to deepen my understanding of the Inquisitor class, and then I came across this thread.</P> <P>You're initial question really belongs in the SK forum and not here. However, I'm going to answer this real quick. If you want to play a DPS class, don't play SK. The SK is a tank and a very versatile one too. We're not a DPS class. So we tank in our own unique way. I know some are setting their AA's for DPS because they solo more than they group. How this works for them I have yet to read about. I'm setting mine up as a tank.</P> <P>Anyway, I like this whole Battle Cleric idea... I sort of missed something like this in EQ1, where I played a cleric.</P></FONT>

[Norrsken]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Loter wrote:<BR> <FONT face=Verdana color=#e9e6ff size=2> <P>I was just reading on this forum to deepen my understanding of the Inquisitor class, and then I came across this thread.</P> <P>You're initial question really belongs in the SK forum and not here. However, I'm going to answer this real quick. If you want to play a DPS class, don't play SK. The SK is a tank and a very versatile one too. We're not a DPS class. So we tank in our own unique way. I know some are setting their AA's for DPS because they solo more than they group. How this works for them I have yet to read about. I'm setting mine up as a tank.</P> <P>Anyway, I like this whole Battle Cleric idea... I sort of missed something like this in EQ1, where I played a cleric.</P></FONT><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Works just fine to be a dps specced SK. The thing is the way the sk is built. On one mob at a time, our dps is down the drain. 8 mobs at a time, now we are talking. Bruisers wont come close. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Spider]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ericshaitan wrote:<BR>Well, PVP is the sux, but..<BR><BR>I know on my PvE server, while raiding, I can match our SKs DPS.  Of course it is all situational but yes, we can break 1K DPS easily with the proper setup at level 70.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>dude you realy must know nothing about pvp then lol </P> <P>pvp is god mode against any non casters   </P> <P>i annialate scouts and tank classes all day long w/o much effort </P> <P>heck when i stumbled into frost fell the other day i got jumped by 3 oj rangers </P> <P>and dropped 2 of them b4 the third finaly got me and then only because i was low on power and half asleep </P>

[Zhu]

<div><blockquote><hr>lspiderl wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> ericshaitan wrote:Well, PVP is the sux, but..I know on my PvE server, while raiding, I can match our SKs DPS.  Of course it is all situational but yes, we can break 1K DPS easily with the proper setup at level 70. <div></div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>dude you realy must know nothing about pvp then lol </p> <p>pvp is god mode against any non casters   </p> <p>i annialate scouts and tank classes all day long w/o much effort </p> <p>heck when i stumbled into frost fell the other day i got jumped by 3 oj rangers </p> <p>and dropped 2 of them b4 the third finaly got me and then only because i was low on power and half asleep </p><hr></blockquote>I think he was referring to pvp sucking in general, not inquisitors sucking at it.Anyway, I'm down to deciding between these two choices also.  It's hard to compare the two at a low level because the inquisitor seems to gain much more melee ability from base than the shadowknight does.</div>

[Spider]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zhult wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> lspiderl wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ericshaitan wrote:<BR>Well, PVP is the sux, but..<BR><BR>I know on my PvE server, while raiding, I can match our SKs DPS.  Of course it is all situational but yes, we can break 1K DPS easily with the proper setup at level 70.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>dude you realy must know nothing about pvp then lol </P> <P>pvp is god mode against any non casters   </P> <P>i annialate scouts and tank classes all day long w/o much effort </P> <P>heck when i stumbled into frost fell the other day i got jumped by 3 oj rangers </P> <P>and dropped 2 of them b4 the third finaly got me and then only because i was low on power and half asleep </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I think he was referring to pvp sucking in general, not inquisitors sucking at it.<BR>Anyway, I'm down to deciding between these two choices also.  It's hard to compare the two at a low level because the inquisitor seems to gain much more melee ability from base than the shadowknight does.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>i dunno i hear a lot of inquisitors complaining about pvping on there inquis and when i ask them what there doing in the fights its like heal and spam attack spells </P> <P>many dont seem to understand the power of your rds' in pvp </P>

[ericshaitan]

<blockquote><hr>Zhult wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>lspiderl wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> ericshaitan wrote:Well, PVP is the sux, but..I know on my PvE server, while raiding, I can match our SKs DPS.  Of course it is all situational but yes, we can break 1K DPS easily with the proper setup at level 70. <div></div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>dude you realy must know nothing about pvp then lol </p> <p>pvp is god mode against any non casters   </p> <p>i annialate scouts and tank classes all day long w/o much effort </p> <p>heck when i stumbled into frost fell the other day i got jumped by 3 oj rangers </p> <p>and dropped 2 of them b4 the third finaly got me and then only because i was low on power and half asleep </p><hr></blockquote>I think he was referring to pvp sucking in general, not inquisitors sucking at it.Anyway, I'm down to deciding between these two choices also.  It's hard to compare the two at a low level because the inquisitor seems to gain much more melee ability from base than the shadowknight does.</div><hr></blockquote>That is correct PvP is the Sux in general.  I know we don't suck at it.  It just sucks.  PvE servers 4EVR!. Anywho, Inquisitors are great at PvP, from what i have heard.  Since I am on a PvE server we only have duels.  Duels on a PvE server are very different from PvP fighting.  Defeating a swash/brig is almost impossible if they know what they are doing.  But yest we inquisitors have good DPS, if properly equiped.<div></div>

[Zhu]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>lspiderl wrote:<div></div><p>i dunno i hear a lot of inquisitors complaining about pvping on there inquis and when i ask them what there doing in the fights its like heal and spam attack spells </p> <p>many dont seem to understand the power of your rds' in pvp </p><hr></blockquote>Excuse my nubness, but what are rds'? reactive damage?<div></div><p>Message Edited by Zhult on <span class=date_text>12-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:41 PM</span>

[Nummer]

<DIV>hi - lvl 57 inquis on nagafen. all gear mastercraft, fabled hammers, quested carpet. dont have EOF.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>all spells master1 or 2 except adept 3 flagellent/digression and maybe 3 others.. including heresy which i seek a master for everyday.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>reactive damage works on nearly everyone (vengance etc ) also sentence (condemn line) and other debuffs are wonderful against players who dont cure themselves.</DIV> <DIV>and the damage over time are great as stealth stoppers and to tick over on runners. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>AA choices become geared toward criticals - currently str 44 agi 444 sta 4448   </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i use hammer smite skullcrack and the shield bash often, swapping weapons out for the desired effect. also carry the dark crystalline wand from the fallen gate vault for its 57% slow target. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>cast speed can be our worst problem, but taking int AA to cure this might help. i respeced away from int line at lvl 40 as i was facing more casters and less scouts in sinking sands. if i get the jump on any class but a druid or a swashy at even or lower con im usually confident i will win - solo 1v1. casters dont like my hammers and damage reacts, heresy wont always stick first cast but is a nasty shock when it does.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>hardest fights are against templars and druids, at this level they know to cure the dots and furys have some big hits that if you dont resist you spend a bit of time catching up health. in these fights harrowing inquest and manastone help a lot, but not as much as backup.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>backup is what wins pvp most often, duo or party as much as you can, usually im out with a wizard and or a berzeker. my guildmate had a Sk he stopped playing at lvl 49 because harm touch aint all that especially now there is no incombat evac. he is currently bringing up a warlock. i had acess to that account for a few days an i agree that Sk while deadly at lvl 34 (master2 HT) is most certainly more dificult to play through the 40s - early 50s without at least a 2 man backup. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>if you choose inquis understand that it is really a class that finds the later levels pvp easier than early on, we dont get root or fear till after lvl 39, heresy and ancients and whatnot. i was a level locked twink at 25 for the longest time, and i didnt go anywhere without a near full group. if i did i died, and fast. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>personally if i were to roll a fighter class for pvp id go brawler or berzerker. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>good luck with your choice. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>you ask though can i match Sk dps. i should say that i come close, but no. not without EOF combat art AA. with these you stand a much better chance at doing so i should think, combined with a very good adorned weapon on a debufed target. as inquisitor i manage to win more than i lose, though if thats what youre really asking.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Spider]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zhult wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> lspiderl wrote:<BR> <P><BR>i dunno i hear a lot of inquisitors complaining about pvping on there inquis and when i ask them what there doing in the fights its like heal and spam attack spells </P> <P>many dont seem to understand the power of your rds' in pvp </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Excuse my nubness, but what are rds'?<BR><BR>reactive damage?<BR> <P>Message Edited by Zhult on <SPAN class=date_text>12-27-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>07:41 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>reverse damage shields </P> <P>like ( im horrible at rembering names)  vengance and repentance lines </P> <P> </P> <P>one makes them take lots of damage and 50% change to stun every time  they use a combat art </P> <P>the others makes them take damage every time they hit us melee </P> <P>cast and keep those on ur target while keeping up ur reactive heals and rangers, swashy's dont stand a chance </P> <P>the other night i was jumped by 3 oj rangers </P> <P>and i killed 2 and almost had the 3rd b4 i fell </P>