Warrior Priest.....

[ronboga]

<DIV>Since it looks like SOE wonts us inquisitors to be some kind of Warrior Priest (a taunt ability would be nice at least soe :smileytongue: ) Was thinking of resetting my KoS aa lines to:</DIV> <DIV>Strength 5, 4, 4</DIV> <DIV>Agility 4, 4, 4, 4</DIV> <DIV>Stamina 4, 4, 4, 8</DIV> <DIV>Then just go with Battle and Punishment aa lines in EoF.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by ronbogard on <SPAN class=date_text>11-07-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>08:57 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by ronbogard on <span class=date_text>11-07-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:58 AM</span>

[ericshaitan]

SOE is making us into Pallies, except we have more DPS and can heal more. <div></div>

[Gwyniveth]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ronbogard wrote:<BR> <DIV>Since it looks like SOE wonts us inquisitors to be some kind of Warrior Priest (a taunt ability would be nice at least soe :smileytongue: ) Was thinking of resetting my KoS aa lines to:</DIV> <DIV>Strength 5, 4, 4</DIV> <DIV>Agility 4, 4, 4, 4</DIV> <DIV>Stamina 4, 4, 4, 8</DIV> <DIV>Then just go with Battle and Punishment aa lines in EoF.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by ronbogard on <SPAN class=date_text>11-07-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>08:57 AM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by ronbogard on <SPAN class=date_text>11-07-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>08:58 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>And at the risk of sounding rude, this post is exactly why we are in the posisition we are in now. If you want to make a warrior priest, please, push SoE into making a class from the ground up that will accommodate that and stop allowing them to force us into this direction. Many of us, perhaps you included, have played an Inquisitor since day one . I never signed on to be a battle cleric. I did sign on as an evil cleric, a HEALER !  .. Why should I or any of us 2 years later have to become this hybrid class that was not part of the original vision and not what we were lead to believe our class should be. Either we are Clerics, or we aren't.. make up your mind SoE , and please please OP , stop trying to force yourself to fit into a mold that was not desigend for us. All that you will be left with is a sub par class that can't do anything well. <BR>

[ronboga]

<P>I started out as a assassin but my friends could not find a healer so I made a inquisitor and have lived with it since day one. Was going to reset the aa till SOE changes the EoF aa tree (hopefuly soon). I mean my aa line right now is:</P> <P>Sta 4, 4, 4, 8</P> <P>Int 4, 4, 4, 8</P> <P>Wis 5</P> <P>This increases my casting speed, increase my heal crit change and increase power.</P> <P>Message Edited by ronbogard on <SPAN class=date_text>11-07-2006</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>11:44 AM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by ronbogard on <SPAN class=date_text>11-07-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:44 AM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by ronbogard on <SPAN class=date_text>11-07-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:46 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by ronbogard on <span class=date_text>11-07-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:50 AM</span>

[Mardane]

I'm Glad we're getting more damage AAs. If I wanted to heal more and wear plate I would have made a Templar. I'm an EVIL Cleric and I personally believe I should be more offensive. That was what I envisioned the Inquisitor to be when I made one.

[Gwyniveth]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mardane wrote:<BR> I'm Glad we're getting more damage AAs. If I wanted to heal more and wear plate I would have made a Templar. I'm an EVIL Cleric and I personally believe I should be more offensive. That was what I envisioned the Inquisitor to be when I made one.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Well ya know what.. then you must feel pretty jipped right now .. your new damage AA's make you weak dps at best, your healing desierability has just gone down, and you have been relegated to the back bench. IF you made an Inquisitor to be an offensive caster, you could have chosen more wisely. And , you are in the vast minority as those of us that made and Inquisitor made it to heal, not to nuke. Your vision of this class is one that was not in the original design. And with posts like this, reinforces the dilution of our class into nothing more then a glorified paladin. We are HEALERS... CLERICS.. we are NOT battle priests. As I have said in a million posts, if you want that class, get on SoE and have them build it from the ground up.. taunts, more mit, dodge, parry, spells that do real damage. But leave the Inquisitors out of that equation. The majority of us made a healing class becasue thats what we wanted.. if you are in doubt of that , look at the posts here and on the beta boards.</P> <P>At the end of the day, we are all robbed with these AA's. The dps that they have given you just makes you a class with no definition, no focus, and sub par. And the lack of healing enhancements has put the rest of us in an untenable situation of facing betrayal or rerolling a class that is not such an afterthought.</P>

[ericshaitan]

This whole freaking EoF crap, all of the stuff they are forcing on our class..... I am seriously thinking of betraying into a templar.  Since SOE likes to [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] US IN THE [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. <div></div>

[menelaus109]

<div><blockquote><hr>ericshaitan wrote:This whole freaking EoF crap, all of the stuff they are forcing on our class..... I am seriously thinking of betraying into a templar.  Since SOE likes to [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] US IN THE [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. <div></div><hr></blockquote>Kind of ironic really, when betrayal open up to all levels there was an influx of Temps betraying to Inqs, now i think the flow is likely to be reversedIm considering it too</div>

[Demoniac]

you can't go back to an inquisitor after you betrayaled<div></div>

[A-Dent42]

I gave betrayal some thought as well but most of the other Inquisitors I have spoken to plan to roll other healing classes and shelve their Inquisitors hell I have no doubt that it will save time when you want to make a class to solo the game.<div></div>

[Torbas]

So, err, do you guys have trouble healing? I know I don't...<div></div>

[Israphil]

<div></div><div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Torbas wrote:So, err, do you guys have trouble healing? I know I don't...<div></div><hr></blockquote>Exactly! Thank you, sir. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. EoF may bring some completely game-breaking encounters in which our healing power needs to be volumes higher than what it already is, prior to release...but I doubt it. Until I see it, I'm not going to make any complaint about our current healing ability, which I think is very good, and with the incoming augments, is only going to get better.</div><p>Message Edited by rckmer on <span class=date_text>11-09-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:01 PM</span>

[ronboga]

<P>I also gave some thought to betrayal be decided to stick with it. But the idea of losing the cool inquisitor hat and having to get all the spells again stops me from doing so.</P> <P>Since soe seems dead set on turning us into some kind of Warrior Priest I was looking at the KoS aa lines. Can any one tell me if the agility ability  'Shield Ally' really  is worth the points to allow the mt to use my avoidance check after his?</P> <P>Dont know about the rest of the line like the shield bash.</P><p>Message Edited by ronbogard on <span class=date_text>11-10-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:23 AM</span>

[Israphil]

<div></div>I've always thought that shield ally was pretty hokey (sp? that spelling just looks ridiculous, but I guess the word is, generally, ridiculous), especially with my avoidance topping out at about 14%. With the new bracer adornments that give an extra 1% to block, that puts it at 15%, which my opinion is still way low to be using. Unless avoidance is getting a massive overhaul that I haven't yet heard of (possible but unlikely), I can't see it being terribly feasible.<div></div><p>Message Edited by rckmer on <span class=date_text>11-10-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:43 AM</span>

[scivias]

<div><blockquote><hr>rckmer wrote:<div></div>I've always thought that shield ally was pretty hokey (sp? that spelling just looks ridiculous, but I guess the word is, generally, ridiculous), especially with my avoidance topping out at about 14%. With the new bracer adornments that give an extra 1% to block, that puts it at 15%, which my opinion is still way low to be using.<hr></blockquote>Well, it stacks with other avoidance buffs from other fighter classes, and is triggered quite so often, even with our low avoidance (I've set up a soundtrigger in ACT).Worth the points, imho</div>

[Catseyes]

<blockquote><hr>Torbas wrote:So, err, do you guys have trouble healing? I know I don't...<div></div><hr></blockquote> who said that ?  we are stating that every other priest class do that BETTER than us. In overall.  That,  our supposedly (*shrug typo*)   debuff counterpart is not at all balanced . That every other debuffer do i BETTER than us . And DPS.... whatever the AA we'll get, as clerics it will remain close to the floor compared to the other DPS classes.So , let's see the break-down :Healing : inqui < other priests (ie: defiler, templar,warden...)Debuff  : inqui < other debuffers ( ie : brig, dirge, swashy, defiler... )Buffs    : inqui < other buffers ( ie : shamans, templars, wardens... )DPS ? : inqui <  other DPSers ( ie : all scouts, bards, mages, tanks.. )do u see something we re better at ? somthing defining our class as purpose ? nope. The more we re going to battle cleric, the worst we re becoming in everything.Ymrir, 70 inqui befallen<div></div>

[Cappadoci]

<DIV>It's the same [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing  thing in every MMORPG.</DIV> <DIV><EM>"Bla bla bla...I want the same abilities of class X but I still want to play class Y."</EM></DIV> <DIV>To make it clean: <EM>"I want to play a templar/defiler/whatever, but change its name to inquisitor"</EM></DIV> <DIV>I'm so [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing tired of whinners like you that don't do [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] but keep flooding the forum boards with all kind of crap instead of reroll.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Use you brains a bit and consider everything we have...heal, debuff, buff. It's fair enough. It's balanced.</DIV> <DIV>You DON'T have to be the best in one category(read buff, debuff, heal, dps) when you are fine in all. It's called balance.</DIV> <DIV>We are fine. Our heals are fine, our dps is fine, our debuffs are fine.</DIV> <DIV>If you are unhappy because of X class that has Y abilities that we don't, then reroll to that class, because <STRONG>we are not broken.</STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV>There are 6 different healer types in this game for a reason...to make them different. <STRONG>Different choices.</STRONG></DIV> <DIV>Nobody is forcing you to play an inquisitor, so choose the healer subclass that <STRONG>fits your gameplay/desires.</STRONG></DIV> <DIV>Inquisitors are fine in every aspect in the game(solo, group, raid).</DIV> <DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV>Now lets see this stupid comparison:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So , let's see the break-down :<BR>Healing : inqui < other priests (ie: defiler, templar,warden...)</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>Our heals are fine. Our minor heal is the best one in the game(with convert). Not to mention that we get extra healing with adornments/equips/blessings due to convert.</FONT><BR>Debuff  : inqui < other debuffers ( ie : brig, dirge, swashy, defiler... )</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>Stupid comparison. Do they heal(scouts)? <BR>We have better DPS than defilers...its a trade off. Anyway, their good debuff was nerfed and we got a good one, so we are better at debuffing now.</FONT><BR>Buffs    : inqui < other buffers ( ie : shamans, templars, wardens... )</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>We have better debuffs and DPS.</FONT><BR>DPS ? : inqui <  other DPSers ( ie : all scouts, bards, mages, tanks.. )<BR><FONT color=#ff0000>Stupid comparison, different archetypes. They don't have heals.</FONT></DIV>

[Gobbwin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Catseyes wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Torbas wrote:<BR>So, err, do you guys have trouble healing? I know I don't...<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> who said that ?  we are stating that every other priest class do that BETTER than us. In overall.  That,  our supposedly (*shrug typo*)   debuff counterpart is not at all balanced . That every other debuffer do i BETTER than us . <BR>And DPS.... whatever the AA we'll get, as clerics it will remain close to the floor compared to the other DPS classes.<BR><BR>So , let's see the break-down :<BR>Healing : inqui < other priests (ie: defiler, templar,warden...)<BR>Debuff  : inqui < other debuffers ( ie : brig, dirge, swashy, defiler... )<BR>Buffs    : inqui < other buffers ( ie : shamans, templars, wardens... )<BR>DPS ? : inqui <  other DPSers ( ie : all scouts, bards, mages, tanks.. )<BR><BR>do u see something we re better at ? somthing defining our class as purpose ? <BR>nope. The more we re going to battle cleric, the worst we re becoming in everything.<BR><BR>Ymrir, 70 inqui befallen<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>LOL, crap like this always makes me chuckle.  "[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] the end is near!!! Run for your lives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"  Believe me when I say that I've heard all of these arguments before, I betrayed to be a templar shortly after the game initially launch.  When DoF was released, the templars were nerfed a bit so they were no longer the best healer in any situation, thus the most desireable.  Some things were broken for months, but we could still heal just as well as we always did, we were just no longer the shining stars that we once were.  Over time, well before the release of KoS, SOE had fixed virtually every major issue that the templar player base felt had been broken or nerfed into oblivion.  </P> <P>Now while I'm not 100% thrilled about our AAs, I have yet to see any indication that we're getting a huge nerf to our current healing abilities.  In fact the only nerf I've heard of is across the board, so everyone is evenly reduced, thus we still compare the same way we did to other healers before the expansion.  While we received hardly any AAs to increase our healing abilities or buffs, the classes who did only received minor improvements (see other threads).  In fact the only real healing delta is the god you worship, which even then, those buffs/miracles are rather expensive and have extremely long recast timers.  Yippie, another emergency heal!!!</P> <P>Further, I'm not certain how you figure that we have no purpose.  Our strong suit has always been debuffs and guess what, now we get AAs to IMPROVE our debuffs, imagine that...  Anyone who states that a target encounter wide offensive debuff that affects epic mobs is trash must be smoking something good.  At master 1, this spell ALONE reduces the encouter's melee offence by 5 levels, w/ the AAs, it will be over 7.  Dropping a level 74 epic X4 to a level 67 epic X4 encounter equates to a serious reduction in incomming damage to the tank.  On top of that, you can reduce the mob's STR and INT by a significant amount, which will also affect melee AND any spell damage.  These buffs stack and can be reapplied before they even wear off.  What about Fanaticism, now you can cast through it, so you can maintain it almost indefinately with a good mana battery.  A 58% haste, + 88 INT, and 9.8% reduced casting timers buff to the entire group is nothing to scoff at.  Plus we have one of the best cure spells in the game, it removes heat, cold, trauma, magic, and mental from the entire group from any level of mob.</P> <P>We can still do all of that, plus heal almost as well as the other healers.  That in and of itself will likely insure our continued desireablility on raids and in groups.  Also, in most cases it's better to be versitile and adaptive then good only at one specific thing.  Because guess where you're likely to be when your specific "class defining skill" is not necessary?  Sitting on the sidelines...</P>

[Catseyes]

let me laugh too . Who is not using his brain here ?  i wont reply to "reroll " or " quit game" . I play this toon since day one, if you are happy with a class loosing his purpose great,continue to go solo mobs. I pushed this class to its limits every time. And i will continue like others to fight to keep the class like it was intended for . I dont want to be the best in the game for everything ,nor to be best than class X or class Y. I m asking for balance. If i am weaker than others in something, i want to be better than them in other one, that will be my role. you are always using the same argument, "we can do that blah blah, we can do that too blah blah " . I dont know the game you re playing, it's not the same of us obviously.   IT's always a matter of choice between a class to pick or another. And it's not charity who prevail but effacity in a role.let's see what you re red saying :<font color="#ff0000">Our heals are fine. Our minor heal is the best one in the game(with convert). Not to mention that we get extra healing with adornments/equips/blessings due to convert.</font>=>you re saying exactly what i was showing. i never said we re not good, just that others are better in this role.  Sure convert add a little heal , but that's not compare to overall heal. Parse the heals in raid, you will see, i did and was badly surprised.Be happy with your "minor" heal, you wont be choose for that if any other priest come in balance.<font color="#ff0000">Stupid comparison. Do they heal(scouts)? We have better DPS than defilers...its a trade off. Anyway, their good debuff was nerfed and we got a good one, so we are better at debuffing now.</font>=>Stupid comparaison ? All EoF AA is about DPS skills and debuffs. And everyone come happy to have more DPS. Talk in group or raid about YOUR dps, you will see to with you will be compared. To other classes. Fetch a little more in the other threads before calling me stupid thx. =>Debuffing ? where did u see we re better debuffers than defiler now ? I still wait for a parse to see the efficacity of ours. Even in group or raid i dont see a change.  Once again, we wont be picked as choice if it's for that.<font color="#ff0000">We have better debuffs and DPS.</font>Oh yeah ? who's care of DPS for a priest class ?We re primary healers .  Debuffs ? show me , coz when i look convict master 1 for example, i see way better anywhere, even a master doll T7 debuff more.i wont quote your last red comment coz you are again side the principe of this game. if anyone do something better than you, if u dont bring something u re the better to at least, then u will remain on sides looking at the match. They want us better at solo, battle cleric and CA spells are for that , enhanced root and fear are for that. But we arent a solo class, we are a support class. To Resume : WHY would someone choose an inqui instead another class if we are always second in the job ? Until there we were quite balanced with the other priests, that was wanted by Devs , that's not anymore true with EoF.Ymrir, 70 inqui befallen<div></div>

[quasigenx]

You don't need to be the best at any one thing to be a desirable, viable class.Having said that, we are the best at some things. IMO, we add the most raid offense of all the healers. That may not fall into a clean bucket like "Heals, DPS or Debuffs"; thinking in those limited terms is the whole problem here.<div></div>

[Harongats]

<DIV>I think its great.....not an inquis, but glad they are giving you something else to do on raids besides </DIV> <DIV>standing around and casting fanat....   /snicker  :smileytongue:</DIV>

[Tarta]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Harongats wrote:<BR> <DIV>I think its great.....not an inquis, but glad they are giving you something else to do on raids besides </DIV> <DIV>standing around and casting fanat....   /snicker  :smileytongue:</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Oh man that's hilarious - in fact, they should just make Fanaticism a perma buff so we can autofollow thru raids like bards</P> <P>Please take that as a joke. I love bards, but you opened the door so I couldn't resist  :smileyvery-happy:</P> <P> </P> <P><BR></P>

[Cosmos]

<DIV>Wow-- first let me say how surprised I am to hear Inquisitor's beeotching about their class! I thought we were the "happy little class" that never complained!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I haven't looked at the aa lines opened up to us in EoF and I came here to see what the rest of you thought were good choices to go for--imagine my surprise when I ran into this craziness!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>First of all, I am/was a raid healer for over a year with a top rated raid guild. I had nearly 98% raid attendance at one point and that was raiding 7 days a week. A couple of months ago my guild retired to go do some beta testing. During our raiding, I was consistently and I do mean CONSISTENTLY the number 3 healer on the parses. Always. Who beat me? Well, the warden and whoever was lead healer in the MT group--that's who. Notice I was <EM>not</EM> in the MT group. I was in the melee dps group. When I was not in the #3 position, and I was perhaps in the #2 position, was when my group needed healing--in other words, if the idiots drew agro. Well, ok, if they got hit by aoe also <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I could easily hit the #2 position by being in a caster group with a buncha warlocks in it, and doing my normal reactive on the MT.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I debuffed. I nuked. I never stopped casting. And if by chance I was not needed to heal as much in a raid? Then I cast fanatisism and melee'd myself.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Inquisitors make a group better by virtue of their debuffs, and their "dps" buffs. We are not just healers. We are the premier healers of melee dps groups. Templars are the premier healers of MT groups (in a raid situation primarily because of their buffs.) We make the raid better by making the mob die faster. We heal by virtue of our ability to make the raid encounter shorter!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Its all about knowing your role and how to do it to the best of the programming of our class. <EM>Yes</EM> I will look long and hard at the aa's. I am <EM>not</EM> unhappy with my class in any way, shape or form! If you want to be a great healer, step up to the plate and BE one!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Misteri currently with Conglomeration of Inner Light on RE server</DIV> <DIV>(formerly Mysteri of Halcyon Affinity on AB server.)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[ronboga]

<P>Well I desided to keep the KoS aa at Stamia 4, 4, 8, 8, Wisdom 4 and Int 4, 4, 4, 8.</P> <P>I know I wont the punishment lines for the EoF aa but dont know if I wont battle or detriement. Leaning to battle just for the last ability because I solo a lot during the week because of my work hours.</P><p>Message Edited by ronbogard on <span class=date_text>11-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:55 AM</span>

[Jordinn]

<P>Given our choices as they stand I'm rethinking (but haven't decided on) respec for my KoS AA.  Given the roles we have for our EoF AA it makes sense for me to consider shifting where I can to either fill the gaps or bolster strong points to be stronger.</P> <P>I don't like the lack of Healing centric AA choices in the EoF stack, but given that this is the hand we have been dealt I'm considering changes to optimize around them.</P>

[ericshaitan]

<blockquote><hr>Jordinn wrote:<div></div> <p>I don't like the lack of Healing centric AA choices in the EoF stack, but given that this is the hand we have been dealt I'm considering changes to optimize around them.</p><hr></blockquote>Don't do it Man.  Fight the good fight.  Don't let the "MAN" push you around. <img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Vietnamdem.jpg/250px-Vietnamdem.jpg"><div></div>

[Chanah]

<DIV>[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When I logged on, started playing EoF i started looking at AA line for the first time and it blew my mind....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We are gonna be the best healerclass debuffers, we are gonna be able to tank, we are gonna be able to do great dps, and we will still be able to heal good.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We are the best healer class. Period.</DIV>

[Catseyes]

i m interested in seeing how we'll do all this but well , at least one customer happy... Ymrir, 70 inqui befallen <div></div>

[Wanders]

<DIV>Hi Fellow inquisitors</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Got some comments to Ymrir' comments. They seem so far away from reality, that I cant help but to comment.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>>> Healing : inqui < other priests (ie: defiler, templar,warden...)<BR></DIV> <DIV>I can solo heal the new EoF heroic instances. I'm fine on healing thank you. I dont care if other classes have more healing than they need - their problem. My heals are adequate.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>>>Debuff  : inqui < other debuffers ( ie : brig, dirge, swashy, defiler... )<BR></DIV> <DIV>My debuffs are awesome. I cant complain at all. The amount of Crush/slash/pierce we can debuff is really godly. Who cares if brigs can debuff mitigation. I can debuff mobs dps output - And one of the best at it too, I might add. On an encounter like Tarinax I can remove almost 10 levels of his crushing skills.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>>>Buffs    : inqui < other buffers ( ie : shamans, templars, wardens... )<BR></DIV> <DIV>I got better buffs for my role on raids than those classes mentioned there. Their buffs are more defensive, where ours are offensive. We got buffs for caster groups. We got buffs for melee groups. We got it all. What are you missing?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>>>DPS ? : inqui <  other DPSers ( ie : all scouts, bards, mages, tanks.. )</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You got to be kidding, right? You want us to do wizard kinda damage?</DIV> <DIV>As far as I'm concerned, I can outdps any enchanter. I can outdps any bard. I can outdps pallies and guardians. I can outdps any other healer. In other words I can outdps anything but Tier1 damage classes. And I believe thats fair enough! (we dont want everyone to yell "nerf" at us) Lots of people already "hate" me because they think I do way too much damage. - And the funny part! I dont even use power while beating half the classes in dps.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Overall, I can only say that EoF AA tree was just what I wanted. Everything I ever dreamed about is in that tree. My Inquisitor was created when I got the game nov. 12 2004 - the day after launch. I've never had any complaints about our class. I just cant wait till I got those AA's up to 100 to see how big a boost to DPS we get. Will it get us over 1100 dps?  1300? 1500?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Rillek,</DIV> <DIV>70 Inquisitor, 70 Armourer, Guk</DIV>

[Demoniac]

no, sir I am sorry to put you down. I am sorry.even you got 200 aas to fill out everything in the aa chart. you still do less dps than you did in kos with the currently kos gear. that's the fact. they increase the mob's avoidance, so you won't be able to hit more offen like you did in kos. even with the bettle cleric, you still hit about 10% lower than you did in kos. so does all the spells.   it's 100% sure that you won't beat your kos... so what makes the difference if aa doesn't. i would have to say.. that's your gear. you have to figure how you setup your adornments. that's the thing... <div></div>

[Spider]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gwyniveth wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE>And at the risk of sounding rude, this post is exactly why we are in the posisition we are in now.<FONT color=#ffff00> If you want to make a warrior priest, please, push SoE into making a class from the ground up that will accommodate that and stop allowing them to force us into this direction</FONT>. Many of us, perhaps you included, have played an Inquisitor since day one . I never signed on to be a battle cleric. I did sign on as an evil cleric, a HEALER !  .. Why should I or any of us 2 years later have to become this hybrid class that was not part of the original vision and not what we were lead to believe our class should be. Either we are Clerics, or we aren't.. make up your mind SoE , and please please OP , stop trying to force yourself to fit into a mold that was not desigend for us. All that you will be left with is a sub par class that can't do anything well. <BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>just a little something i thought i would point out </P> <P>a Cleric  IS A WARRIOR PRIEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! </P> <P>a Priest is a priest ,strait healer  no heavy armor nor fancy stuff just  LOTS of BIG heals </P> <P>a CLERIC is a BATTLE priest still lots of heals But also heavy armor and a nasty hammer with some good ole brain bashing ability to complement his healing </P> <P>man i swear did no one ever play D&D ??? ( which btw all this is loosly based on ) </P>

[fallingsn]

<DIV>Actually, SOE really needs to fix our healing abilities by giving us the options to choose between Battle Priest and Healer.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I understand your point of view about you beliveing that we are a balanced class but that point of view is exactly the reason why we are currently broken.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The inquisitor is NOT a hybrid class.  SOE does not classify us in that way now and when the class of created it was intended to be a pure healing class with greater debuff and reactive damage support capabilities.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Again, don't misunderstand me.  I again understand why you think that we have something to bring to groups but as it stands now the changes are unbalacing to the game and gameplay.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The number one reason it is unbalancin to gameplay is currently most apparent in PVP play.  You see what SOE did to our class (which as a mistake) that can be hidden in PVE play become sorely obvious in PVP play.  IE.  The side are split up and Raids, plus PVP battles for each of the Good and Evil side have a limited array of character classes to choose from.  So, unlike PVE, where other classes can still be chosen from eithre good or evil or neutral character classes, PVP is impacted X10 fold by the design of character alignment per side.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>IE...  When freeport groups want to raid X4 epics or pvp EVERY guild turns to healers of every class which are availble.  If you look at the make up of our guild for instance we are all FURYs and WARDENs  for our healing.  We fight tooth and nail for the few t7 defilers on our server with other top t7 raiding guilds.  IT's like a freaking recruiting circus.  WHY???  because there are so few around.  But inquisitors who are very sought after because we CANNOT hire the following classes : mystic, templar are to our GUILD and more over OUR SIDE..(freeport) vs. the Qs  are substandard healers at T7 when compared to other healing classes.  This hurts game balance both in PVP combat and on Raids.  We have 2 inq at T7 to hhelp with raids now but they are soo upset at their lack of healing compared to our furies and wardens that they might quit.  That leaves FReeport and our Guild with a healing deficit.  These are not bad inq mind you.  They are infact extremely experienced (fully fabled gear and have been on countless raids)  so... no bashing them for not knowing how to play their class please.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I would ask that for the sake of Character population balance per utility skill I.E. (ratio of pure healers to hybrids to tanks to mages) for SOE at least to give OPTION to inquisitors who are at their end game to be EITHER battle priests or PURE healing support class.  Because I am sure that I and others when we choose this class were thinking ourselves when we first created this class.. "hmm... I want to be a support class that is focused on healing"  currently do not have the option to choose to groom our class in that direction at T7.  I have a 70 toon inq and 70 toon Main tank so I feel I have a dual perspective when it comes to this as both the character who relies on the heals and the character that WANTs to heal.   </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Recently I keep thinking to myself... geez I WISH I could do a better job at healing you (to the MT) and as a MT I keep think... Darn I wish you heals were better than this (when I'm getting my butt handed to be by Cheldrak)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>my 2Cents</DIV>

[Spider]

<P>well bud i do play an pvp server  </P> <P>i live and breath vox  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </P> <P>but as for our healing it HASNT changed man were jsut as good at healing as we have always been but truth be told were RARELY in the mt group on raids were normaly in teh dps group for what we bring with zealorty/fantisism and dps buffs and such and that role is only enhanced further while deflier/fury combo takes on the role of healing mt group </P>

[dave143256384]

<P>sta str and agi 448 and last one where ever. combine that with the battle cleric line and you do much MUCH more damage than before, its not hard picking up plate with str and still having a huge wis too. i was near 800 in a group yesterday. each of those battle priest aa's going crit is a sweet sight, frankly ive become a bit of an agro [Removed for Content] and have to watch it.</P> <P>but we look freaking cool getting in there and swinning hammers. and whats great we recieved a massive boost to our damage (learn to use it properly before you say it doesnt) and we got no penalties to our healing.</P> <P>we are in a good period for our class and any raid leader can see our uses still in a raid, with the dps gorup mostly, but in groups, were even better.</P> <P> </P> <P>for christs sake we can even solo, limited amount but its doable.</P> <P> </P> <P>as someone said it might not be perfect for YOUR style as it was, but this is the hand your given, use it or re roll.</P>

[Ayako]

<DIV>At first I was dissapointed with the AA's because there's really no "healing" ones.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Then I got to thinking about it...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR>  I never signed on to be a battle cleric. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>This comment was pretty asinine.  An Inquisitor is an evil Cleric in plate armor.  If anything this set of skills aligns very well with the way Everquest has typically portrayed clerics... Plate armor battle clerics.  Damage spells go along with being evil.  The reason people like this are upset is that  Everquest never successfully implemented them in the way they've been portrayed.  If you choose your character based on stats instead of what the vision is, then you are probably going to always be dissapointed.  I didn't choose Inquisitor based on certain spells or certain abilities, and even when some consider us gimped I wouldn't change my class for the world.</DIV>

[Israphil]

By the way, did anyone else notice that Int, and not Strength, is still affecting damage increase on our CAs? So we still are really a 2-stat class. Seems kinda good.<div></div>

[Tarta]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> rckmer wrote:<BR>By the way, did anyone else notice that Int, and not Strength, is still affecting damage increase on our CAs? So we still are really a 2-stat class. Seems kinda good.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>That's just great. Now we need WIS and some bit of STR and INT now... I don't know about you, but if I'm going to go CAs and melee dps, I'm counting on my hammer for a good deal of my dps - and that requires STR. In fact, with fanaticism I "used" to autoattack for 400-500 dps in the melee group on raids. Not sure what it is after the combat changes... haven't had much time to melee in a raid, honestly, since then.</P> <P> </P>

[quasigenx]

<div></div><div></div><div><blockquote><hr>rckmer wrote: By the way, did anyone else notice that Int, and not Strength, is still affecting damage increase on our CAs? So we still are really a 2-stat class. Seems kinda good.<div></div><hr></blockquote>I don't think this is the case. I went for a quick parse run to find out. This was in commonlands against level 12 duststingers. I'm level 70. <b>With 139 STR and 346 INT:</b>Min 515, Max 568, Avg 548.11<b>With 347 STR and 104 INT:</b>Min 559, Max 664, Avg 616.00Looks like a 12% increase with approx 200 STR. I'm confused by the increase % (I thought it would be more like 20%), but at least it seems that STR is the modifier, unless it's both...</div><p>Message Edited by quasigenx on <span class=date_text>11-21-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:40 PM</span>

[Israphil]

<div><blockquote><hr>quasigenx wrote:<div></div><div></div><div><blockquote><hr>rckmer wrote: By the way, did anyone else notice that Int, and not Strength, is still affecting damage increase on our CAs? So we still are really a 2-stat class. Seems kinda good.<div></div><hr></blockquote>I don't think this is the case. I went for a quick parse run to find out. This was in commonlands against level 12 duststingers. I'm level 70. <b>With 139 STR and 346 INT:</b>Min 515, Max 568, Avg 548.11<b>With 347 STR and 104 INT:</b>Min 559, Max 664, Avg 616.00Looks like a 12% increase with approx 200 STR. I'm confused by the increase % (I thought it would be more like 20%), but at least it seems that STR is the modifier, unless it's both...</div><p>Message Edited by quasigenx on <span class="date_text">11-21-2006</span> <span class="time_text">10:40 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Take off your strength gear and put on int gear; you can watch your CAs scale with the new int gear. The damage values physically change. Maybe with a ridiculously low str your autoattack is suffering, since that's still a large part of our dps; due to diminishing return on stat values, it's going to very easy to get both at a solid level, and thus making the point moot.</div>

[quasigenx]

<div><blockquote><hr>rckmer wrote:<div>Take off your strength gear and put on int gear; you can watch your CAs scale with the new int gear. The damage values physically change. Maybe with a ridiculously low str your autoattack is suffering, since that's still a large part of our dps; due to diminishing return on stat values, it's going to very easy to get both at a solid level, and thus making the point moot.</div><hr></blockquote>Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear. This parse was was just invocation strike, nothing else. The numbers are from ACT just from the invocation strike row. I has turned off auto-attack anyway.</div>

[quasigenx]

Is it possible that's it's STR and INT? That would also explain my numbers. I'll do some more extensive testing, and against blues, when the servers are back up.<div></div>

[Cappadoci]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> lspiderl wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gwyniveth wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE>And at the risk of sounding rude, this post is exactly why we are in the posisition we are in now.<FONT color=#ffff00> If you want to make a warrior priest, please, push SoE into making a class from the ground up that will accommodate that and stop allowing them to force us into this direction</FONT>. Many of us, perhaps you included, have played an Inquisitor since day one . I never signed on to be a battle cleric. I did sign on as an evil cleric, a HEALER !  .. Why should I or any of us 2 years later have to become this hybrid class that was not part of the original vision and not what we were lead to believe our class should be. Either we are Clerics, or we aren't.. make up your mind SoE , and please please OP , stop trying to force yourself to fit into a mold that was not desigend for us. All that you will be left with is a sub par class that can't do anything well. <BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>just a little something i thought i would point out </P> <P>a Cleric  IS A WARRIOR PRIEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! </P> <P>a Priest is a priest ,strait healer  no heavy armor nor fancy stuff just  LOTS of BIG heals </P> <P>a CLERIC is a BATTLE priest still lots of heals But also heavy armor and a nasty hammer with some good ole brain bashing ability to complement his healing </P> <P>man i swear did no one ever play D&D ??? ( which btw all this is loosly based on ) </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>And we have a winner!!</P> <P>People don't think about the fact that we wear PLATE. What's the point of wearing PLATE if you aren't a battle class? Just to looks cool in a shiny armor?</P>

[Cappadoci]

<FONT color=#3300cc></FONT><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>Catseyes wrote:<BR>let me laugh too . Who is not using his brain here ?  i wont reply to "reroll " or " quit game" . I play this toon since day one, if you are happy with a class loosing his purpose great,continue to go solo mobs. I pushed this class to its limits every time. And i will continue like others to fight to keep the class like it was intended for .</P> <P><BR>I dont want to be the best in the game for everything ,nor to be best than class X or class Y. I m asking for balance. If i am weaker than others in something, i want to be better than them in other one, that will be my role.<BR><FONT color=#6699ff>Asking for a balance? WE ARE BALANCED. If you dont see that, then you really need to use your [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing brains....if have one.</FONT><BR>you are always using the same argument, "we can do that blah blah, we can do that too blah blah " .<BR><BR>I dont know the game you re playing, it's not the same of us obviously.   IT's always a matter of choice between a class to pick or another. And it's not charity who prevail but effacity in a role.<BR><BR>let's see what you re red saying :<BR><FONT color=#ff0000>Our heals are fine. Our minor heal is the best one in the game(with convert). Not to mention that we get extra healing with adornments/equips/blessings due to convert.<BR></FONT>=>you re saying exactly what i was showing. i never said we re not good, just that others are better in this role.  Sure convert add a little heal , but that's not compare to overall heal. Parse the heals in raid, you will see, i did and was badly surprised.<BR>Be happy with your "minor" heal, you wont be choose for that if any other priest come in balance.<BR><FONT color=#6699ff>Sorry to say, but you must suck then...</FONT><BR><FONT color=#ff0000>Stupid comparison. Do they heal(scouts)?<BR>We have better DPS than defilers...its a trade off. Anyway, their good debuff was nerfed and we got a good one, so we are better at debuffing now.<BR></FONT>=>Stupid comparaison ? All EoF AA is about DPS skills and debuffs. And everyone come happy to have more DPS. Talk in group or raid about YOUR dps, you will see to with you will be compared. To other classes. Fetch a little more in the other threads before calling me stupid thx.<BR><FONT color=#3300cc><FONT color=#6699ff>Yep, its stupid because its two different archetypes...one is focused on damage and other on healing....</FONT><BR></FONT>=>Debuffing ? where did u see we re better debuffers than defiler now ? I still wait for a parse to see the efficacity of ours. Even in group or raid i dont see a change.  Once again, we wont be picked as choice if it's for that.<BR><FONT color=#6699ff>If you dont know how good our debuffs are, then you dont know [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] about inquisitor class. Anyway, did you see Maladroit? Do you know that defiler debuff was nerfed?</FONT><BR><FONT color=#ff0000>We have better debuffs and DPS.<BR></FONT>Oh yeah ? who's care of DPS for a priest class ?We re primary healers .  Debuffs ? show me , coz when i look convict master 1 for example, i see way better anywhere, even a master doll T7 debuff more.<BR><BR>i wont quote your last red comment coz you are again side the principe of this game. if anyone do something better than you, if u dont bring something u re the better to at least, then u will remain on sides looking at the match.<BR><BR>They want us better at solo, battle cleric and CA spells are for that , enhanced root and fear are for that. But we arent a solo class, we are a support class.<BR><BR>To Resume : WHY would someone choose an inqui instead another class if we are always second in the job ? Until there we were quite balanced with the other priests, that was wanted by Devs , that's not anymore true with EoF.<BR><BR>Ymrir, 70 inqui befallen<BR><BR><FONT color=#3399cc>Well, I see that you complain about the inquisitor and you have 2...one at 56 and one at cap, so you are nothing more than a forum troller....or you are just an idiot who keeps playing a class that doesn't like instead of REROLL to a new class.</FONT></P> <FONT color=#6699ff>Pff...kids kids...go do something else, instead of flooding the forums with crap like this...inquisitors are fine.<BR>I won't reply to your crap again...have a nice day.<BR></FONT> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[quasigenx]

<div><blockquote><hr>quasigenx wrote:Is it possible that's it's STR and INT? That would also explain my numbers. I'll do some more extensive testing, and against blues, when the servers are back up.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Did some more testing. It's STR only. I tried just casting/canceling a STR potion. All four of the CAs that I have so far scaled up with more strength via the CA description. No change when I removed some INT jewlery.</div>

[fallingsn]

<DIV>Still does not address the server population skew which exists on PvP servers.  My post above really focuses on Game balance on pvp servers.  IF the responses is "hey go roll another class" that simply exacerbates the issue.  Too few Inquisitors on the freeport side impacts the total number of healing classes available to one side versus the other.  There are far more healers available on the Q side in relation to the other classes.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If SOE pigeon holes inquisitors at the "END GAME" to be battle priests then many will simple stop leveling and "go roll another class" just as you say.  This hurts / damages game balance and over all effects enjoyability of the game.  My point focuses again on giving Inquisitors a CHOICE... be focus on healing OR damage for end game character development.  This is a reasonable request.  Faster cast times, bigger heals, more heal crits, special class only heals whatever.  Just give us the OPTION.  Then let the players decide. This makes the character more attractive without over powering the class because it represents a system based on trading off healing development for damage development.  </DIV>

[aislynn00]

<DIV>Speaking as a raid leader and raid MT, inquisitors are my first choice for any melee DPS group and my second choice for any caster DPS group.  We have more inquisitors on our raids than any other healer sub-class, and we do just fine.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When I go into Nizara or Castle Mistmoore, I usually bring an inquisitor and a defiler with me as healers.  One night, after the defiler had to log, we carried on with only the inquisitor healing for more than an hour, killing among other things a 74th level named.  Yesterday, the defiler at some point died when a stealthed orange-con named jumped her (the Dhampyre, or something like that.)  With merely four people standing, we managed to kill said named, again with just the inquisitor healing (we had a guardian (me), a swashbuckler, a brigand, the dead defiler, and the inquisitor.)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think my own experiences demonstrate that defilers are doing just fine in both groups as well as raids.</DIV>

[wadw]

<P>Have any of u tried running Act on raid and actually seeing if we r now lame healers ?. I have, on Vyemm the other night I topped the heal parser by about 20k, so I dont really think these complaints r valid. Try playing the class for a few months see how it pans out.</P> <P> I wasnt to impressed when i saw our AA's but after playing it i kinda like it, my heals keep me at the top of the parsers on raids but now i can do dps(even crept on to the bottom of the dps parser lol)  </P> <P> </P>

[Chanah]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> aislynn00 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Speaking as a raid leader and raid MT, inquisitors are my first choice for any melee DPS group and my second choice for any caster DPS group.  We have more inquisitors on our raids than any other healer sub-class, and we do just fine.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When I go into Nizara or Castle Mistmoore, I usually bring an inquisitor and a defiler with me as healers.  One night, after the defiler had to log, we carried on with only the inquisitor healing for more than an hour, killing among other things a 74th level named.  Yesterday, the defiler at some point died when a stealthed orange-con named jumped her (the Dhampyre, or something like that.)  With merely four people standing, we managed to kill said named, again with just the inquisitor healing (we had a guardian (me), a swashbuckler, a brigand, the dead defiler, and the inquisitor.)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think my own experiences demonstrate that defilers are doing just fine in both groups as well as raids.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Amen to that, before eof I was a big fan of doing nizara almost everyday, mostly with a defiler by my side, its quite simple: Inquisitor + Defiler = Win</P> <P>Together the best debuffers in the healer class. Record of cleaning nizara was 1h20 including the x4.</P> <P> </P> <P>Seems that with our new aa's we now debuff better then shamans as they got nerfs on their best debuffs, they lost their % and we got upgrades on our debuffs + maladroit.</P> <P> </P> <P>Anyway, yes we are battlepriests, dont like it? reroll something else.</P>

[fallingsn]

<DIV>How many times do I have to point out that my post was about PVP server populations?  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>you guys are on PVE servers.  I must have mentioned several times via comparason that this problem does not exist on PVE servers.  (rolls eyes)</DIV>

[KalenDarkmo]

Personally I like the changes and it has caused me to roll up a Fae Templar that I'll betray to Inquisitor. I always believed there should be a little more diversity to the classes and this accomplishes it nicely. Its good to see the Inquisitors becoming something other than just a Freeport citizen Templar.

[Tarta]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> fallingsnow wrote:<BR> <DIV>How many times do I have to point out that my post was about PVP server populations?  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>you guys are on PVE servers.  I must have mentioned several times via comparason that this problem does not exist on PVE servers.  (rolls eyes)</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Don't these CA abilities give new pvp inquisitors more pvp-ability than ever before? I would certainly think so. You can really spike up some damage with these in PvE, but I cannot see what the PVP damage values are for on my server... Do you have to be in a duel to see this?<BR></P>

[Bayler_x]

<div><blockquote><hr>primaryKey wrote:<div></div> <p>Don't these CA abilities give new pvp inquisitors more pvp-ability than ever before? I would certainly think so. You can really spike up some damage with these in PvE, but I cannot see what the PVP damage values are for on my server... Do you have to be in a duel to see this?</p><hr></blockquote>For PVP, the new CA seem like a pretty good deal so far.  In the past, PVP as an inquisitor has always been about how much time you have for your spells.  Since the CAs are so quick, we have time now to heal more, fear, cure, or whatever.Another important factor is that they can be used while running.  It's now much more reasonable to stay close to a ranger to keep him from using bow attacks, or chase down a runner.</div>

[quasigenx]

<div><blockquote><hr>fallingsnow wrote:<div>How many times do I have to point out that my post was about PVP server populations?  </div> <div> </div> <hr></blockquote>I could have sworn you had your own forums for that... If you're going to discuss issues that soley effect PVP players, I suggest you post there.</div>

[BlackFlowe]

<P>In a post LU13 EQ2, we do not parry.  We mitigate damage, resist, or the mob flat out misses.  When taking big hits, this helps very little.</P> <P>What exactly you mean by "a battle class" is sort of unclear, considering that all classes engage in combat... the armor we get to wear does not define the class, it only adds a bit of color to the differences between the three classes which stem out of the priest archetype.</P> <P>Fyyre, 70 Inquis<BR></P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cappadocian wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> lspiderl wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gwyniveth wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE>And at the risk of sounding rude, this post is exactly why we are in the posisition we are in now.<FONT color=#ffff00> If you want to make a warrior priest, please, push SoE into making a class from the ground up that will accommodate that and stop allowing them to force us into this direction</FONT>. Many of us, perhaps you included, have played an Inquisitor since day one . I never signed on to be a battle cleric. I did sign on as an evil cleric, a HEALER !  .. Why should I or any of us 2 years later have to become this hybrid class that was not part of the original vision and not what we were lead to believe our class should be. Either we are Clerics, or we aren't.. make up your mind SoE , and please please OP , stop trying to force yourself to fit into a mold that was not desigend for us. All that you will be left with is a sub par class that can't do anything well. <BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>just a little something i thought i would point out </P> <P>a Cleric  IS A WARRIOR PRIEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! </P> <P>a Priest is a priest ,strait healer  no heavy armor nor fancy stuff just  LOTS of BIG heals </P> <P>a CLERIC is a BATTLE priest still lots of heals But also heavy armor and a nasty hammer with some good ole brain bashing ability to complement his healing </P> <P>man i swear did no one ever play D&D ??? ( which btw all this is loosly based on ) </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>And we have a winner!!</P> <P>People don't think about the fact that we wear PLATE. What's the point of wearing PLATE if you aren't a battle class? Just to looks cool in a shiny armor?</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[fallingsn]

<DIV>EXCUSE ME???  this is absolutely correct forum for this discussion.  I am and was discussion pvp server populations for INQ<BR>USITORS.  and If you read the post completely and in it's entirety (which is a courtesy I always give to others before replying) you would note FURTHER that the post specifically was in regards to inquisitor populations on PVP server when engaged in RAIDS.  I.E.  PVE activities... quests and raiding on PVP servers.  Where are the PVP section of the forums is reserved for PVP discussion about player to player combat.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Since the post is about INQUISTOR populations on PVP servers affecting GAME BALANCE in regards to PVE activity this IS the correct forum.  Unless you would like to take that up with the forum moderator?  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <P>Umm please I would politely request that you completely read the posts before replying.   The point of my post were that in a break down of server populations (I have a 20 page spreedsheet I presented to the devs already) that inquisitors populations were skewed hopelessly to the left (IE... to few of them and contining to shrink) which I pointed out effects (ENDGAME) raiding power for T7 raids on pvp servers.  Which I further backed up by stateing that even we... (the LARGEST guild on the server) suffer from a lack of inquisitors at T7 endgame.  (AND WE HAVE THE MOST)  thus it follows if we are suffering then the other guild are totally without....  </P> <P>This again effects GAME BALANCE...  and as one of the original program managers of Asherons Call at Microsoft I can tell you that when GAME BALANCE is effected... THAT is when a character set should be evaluated for changes.  Reaching T7 with ANY class is a huge investment in time.  Reaching T7 or worse yet level cap at 70 with a inquisitor...ESPECIALLY on a pvp server where Inquisitors really are one the low end of the pvp pole.. can be truely a beastly experience.   Thus a server population analysis results in low inquistor and defiler population numbers.  </P> <P>Now that being said... if their low populations only effected the people that decided to play those classes then so be it...it just become a rare and underplayed class, HOWEVER.. on a PVP servers they dwindeling populations effect the entire server.  Unlike on pve servers we (Freeport side) cannot fill our raiding guild ranks with templars and mystics to make up for a healing deficit because inquisitors cannot be found.  We simply do not have the healing populations at level 70 to properly tackle the x4 epic mobs in the harder zones (one of the PRIMARY reason why historically PVP servers have taken down FAR fewer X4 epic mobs especially in the 70 RAID ZONES.  This is certianly true of ALL the top guilds on my server- as we cooperate with them all on joint guild raids (names have been removed because guild leaders might fall into a fit of depression ove this subject).  Thus it effects the enjoyability of the game for everyone.  </P> <P>The Inquisitor fills a KEY role in healing capability when raid... which is magnified 10 fold or more on PVP server when engaged in PVE raiding on them.  If you limit their options for healing... AT THE END GAME... i.e. 60 to 70+  (AA development specifically)  then the few we have begin to become inactive which is by the way NOT a option for PVP server for these guys to just REROLL because their population deficit effect ALL of us on our server.  The suggested solution to the devs was to simply give the OPTION for alternative character development path which focuses on augmenting our healing capabilities.  </P></DIV>

[quasigenx]

<div><blockquote><hr>fallingsnow wrote:...Still does not address the server population skew which exists on PvP servers.  My post above really focuses on Game balance on pvp servers... ...How many times do I have to point out that my post was about PVP server populations? ...<hr></blockquote>Sounds like you're talking about PvP to me. You're shooting down what people are saying because it's based on PvE servers. That's when you know it's time to get out of dodge and go post on a PvP board.</div>

[fallingsn]

<DIV>There are reams and reams of text explaining in great detail what the post is about PVE content and a mixture of PVE content on PVP servers as well as a detailed explanation that this specific content does not belong on PVP board for a number of reasons.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Your obviously have not read posts before replying so at this point there is nothing left ot discuss with you as you simply do not read posts that you reply to.</DIV>

[Zarovi]

<DIV>As a guild raid leader running a guild with over 450 people in it on a pvp server and pve server. And having played a Inq. myself to 70  I have to agree with ya mate.  And just a piece of advice, don't bother replying to people that guy you just replied too.  Obviously his terse responses to your extremely detailed and thoughtful posts can only mean that person only does it to be argumentative rather than helpful.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>just /ignore him and go on with helpin others. :smileywink:</DIV>

[Spider]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> quasigenx wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> fallingsnow wrote:<BR><BR><BR>...Still does not address the server population skew which exists on PvP servers.  My post above really focuses on Game balance on pvp servers... <BR><BR><BR>...How many times do I have to point out that my post was about PVP server populations? ...<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Sounds like you're talking about PvP to me. You're shooting down what people are saying because it's based on PvE servers. That's when you know it's time to get out of dodge and go post on a PvP board.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>weather or not the discussion is about pvp or pvp its soley about INQUISITORS so it belongs in the INQUISITOR forums

[Quisical]

<P> </P> <P>Okay, I rarely post on forums as I just like to play the game, but I have a few words to say about my Inquisitor.</P> <P>When i first started Eq2 I was looking through the characters and  I see an evil healer that can wear plate, Hmm interesting I thought, This to me means it isn`t a class that hides in the back of the group, but is near the front, and can take being hit. This to me was a very interesting role, so i rolled one and started playing....</P> <P>Solo play was a drag, as I had very little dps.</P> <P>Group play is awesome, good healing abilities, and if i do get aggro i don`t drop to the floor, friends love me as the healer / debuffer <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>And then came EoF.....I see the new AA`s  - OMG Battle cleric with CA`s  - Finally I get the skills I wanted all along - now I can do some dps (uninterupted) and heal and debuff - finally i can solo .</P> <P>My character is now what I wanted it to be, thank you SOE!</P> <P>Areva 55 Inquisitor</P> <P>Highest melee hit 1,016</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by Quisical on <span class=date_text>12-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:25 AM</span>

[Spider]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Quisical wrote:<BR> <P> </P> <P>Okay, I rarely post on forums as I just like to play the game, but I have a few words to say about my Inquisitor.</P> <P>When i first started Eq2 I was looking through the characters and  I see an evil healer that can wear plate, Hmm interesting I thought, This to me means it isn`t a class that hides in the back of the group, but is near the front, and can take being hit. This to me was a very interesting role, so i rolled one and started playing....</P> <P>Solo play was a drag, as I had very little dps.</P> <P>Group play is awesome, good healing abilities, and if i do get aggro i don`t drop to the floor, friends love me as the healer / debuffer <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>And then came EoF.....I see the new AA`s  - OMG Battle cleric with CA`s  - Finally I get the skills I wanted all along - now I can do some dps (uninterupted) and heal and debuff - finally i can solo .</P> <P>My character is now what I wanted it to be, thank you SOE!</P> <P>Areva 55 Inquisitor</P> <P>Highest melee hit 1,016</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>Message Edited by Quisical on <SPAN class=date_text>12-20-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>02:25 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>QFE

[orthanc]

<div>rofl, try some eof raids befor you speak <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><blockquote><hr><p>oh and btw i never have problems keeping my groups alive so i dunno what ur problem is bro mebbie its time to upgrade your apprintice 1 heals ? ya think ? </p><hr></blockquote></div>

[graxnip]

nobody here is disputing whether or not inquisitors are great at - solo- grouping, be it dungeons or instances.nobody is saying battle cleric sucks..what they are saying is that the latest raid content- we arent doing so hot. and the useless emergency aa line should have been designed to help us keep up with that newer content - in particular our aoe healing.it is really that simple - all this arguing is rather pointless.<div></div>

[Demoniac]

honestly i don't really think you guys are talking about the same thing...side 1 is talking about cheese is good. side 2 is talking about he loves his strawberry jam...it's really funny to watch it<span>:smileyvery-happy:</span><div></div>

[graxnip]

/SIGHthe above was just plain silly sir..regardless of any percentages, the game does and will cater to the 3 styles of playing - raiders have a vaild bone to pick and you should just be happy that the grp/solo inqusitor pwns right now.<div></div>

[Spider]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> graxnip wrote:<BR>/SIGH<BR><BR>the above was just plain silly sir..<BR><BR>regardless of any percentages, the game does and will cater to the 3 styles of playing - raiders have a vaild bone to pick and you should just be happy that the grp/solo inqusitor pwns right now.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>group/solo does pwn </P> <P>pvp does pwn </P> <P>and raid still does just as good as b4 if not a little better</P> <P>so quit whining</P> <P>good god troubs dont whine half as much as "raid" inquis and they REALY got the shaft in all forms especialy with eof </P>

[graxnip]

<div></div>edit - i have nothing constructive to say <div></div><p>Message Edited by graxnip on <span class=date_text>12-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:35 PM</span>

[Spider]

<DIV>funny how the number of people complaining gets less and less  as more and more people are accualy PLAYING </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>so to the handfull still whining im through bothering with you </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>could we have gotten some more healing ? yes it woulda been cool but not a must have </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>did we get more healing ? no so deal with it  and move on with your lives rather than posting the same crud over and over again </DIV>

[Grrrrrrrrltwo]

<DIV>i love the new aa's i can max range farther.. or i can debuff more, or i can battle! + 10% armor stats, or i can add hate to my target player. thats phenominal! i am soloing and not pulling out grey hairs because my dps is x3 with battle cleric..</DIV><p>Message Edited by Grrrrrrrrltwo on <span class=date_text>12-23-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:05 PM</span>

[Spider]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Grrrrrrrrltwo wrote:<BR> <DIV>i love the new aa's i can max range farther.. or i can debuff more, or i can battle! + 10% armor stats, or i can add hate to my target player. thats phenominal! i am soloing and not pulling out grey hairs because my dps is x3 with battle cleric..</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Grrrrrrrrltwo on <SPAN class=date_text>12-23-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>08:05 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>exactly theres a lot of great options

[Manopow]

<P>I vote good <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>that fact that at lvl 70 +(100aa) you can have two inquisitors, that can be totally differnt classes basically .. is awsome.</P>

[Catseyes]

we should have CHOICE to go DPS or HEAL, to go SUPPORT or SOLO .  And we dont have . With EoF we just have DPS stuff and useless trees side it (our debuffs are still way below the other debuff classes and rezzes...no comment ) .EQ2 was about choices ,  any class with any race in any town with betrayal options. KoS AA were giving choices too : heal crits, casting haste speed , debuffs, DPS etc .  Then EoF come and bring nothing to our healing role.  No choice at all . Stop looking just at yourself and saying that you re happy to solo more than green mobs , think to the whole community and its deny of choice in play style. Imagine EoF AAs would be only for RAIDs. just that, nothing to help you dps and solo, would you be happy to not have the choice to ?i m sure no . ymrir, 70 inquisitor befallen<div></div>

[Kadurm]

<P>This is something I found on the eq1 boards dealing with druids, and I got to thinking that this would be a very nice thing to target towards the priest here in eq2. This was posted by a developer and is in fact something they are working on or have already put into play.</P> <P>And since they are wanting to steer us in the direction of battle priest, it would only be fitting to give us this choice they are describing in here.</P> <P>The only thing I think I would change would be the penalty of 50% to 25% and make it equal to the boost of 25%. So you wouldnt be totally out of the picture of back up healer when in the offensive stance.</P> <P>Druids</P> <P>Druids are a unique challenge in that the class is divided evenly between you offensive druids who enjoy doing damage, and you defensive druids who prefer to play the role of healer.  We want to support both play styles, but if we were to increase both halves of the druid equally the class would quickly become overpowered.  Our plan is to introduce a new option where a druid can enter into a particular “mode” or “stance” where they become better at one part at the expense of the other.  Our preferred solution for this is to add an innate ability for druids. The ability would get its own button similar to abilities such as backstab or track.  You will be able to be in one of three states and can switch between them once every 5 minutes.</P> <P>a.       Normal – Their healing and offensive abilities are in balance.  This is the state they exist in today.</P> <P>b.      Offensive – Their offensive power is boosted by 25%, but they suffer a 50% reduction in the power of their healing spells.</P> <P>c.       Defensive – Their healing power is boosted by 25%, but they suffer a 50% reduction in the power of their offensive spells.</P> <P>Another of our goals is to broaden the core grouping roles to allow all classes to more easily put together groups.  Similar to how any of the 3 main tanks should be able to perform that role in a group, we want any of the 3 healers to be able to perform the role of a main healer in a group.  The changes mentioned above for druids will allow you to fill a healing role and perform at about 80% of the effectiveness of a cleric.</P> <P>Message Edited by Kadurm on <SPAN class=date_text>01-01-2007</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:23 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Kadurm on <span class=date_text>01-01-2007</span> <span class=time_text>10:25 AM</span>

[Demoniac]

<div><blockquote><hr>Catseyes wrote:we should have CHOICE to go DPS or HEAL, to go SUPPORT or SOLO .  And we dont have . With EoF we just have DPS stuff and useless trees side it (our debuffs are still way below the other debuff classes and rezzes...no comment ) .EQ2 was about choices ,  any class with any race in any town with betrayal options. KoS AA were giving choices too : heal crits, casting haste speed , debuffs, DPS etc .  Then EoF come and bring nothing to our healing role.  No choice at all . Stop looking just at yourself and saying that you re happy to solo more than green mobs , think to the whole community and its deny of choice in play style. Imagine EoF AAs would be only for RAIDs. just that, nothing to help you dps and solo, would you be happy to not have the choice to ?i m sure no . ymrir, 70 inquisitor befallen<div></div><hr></blockquote>agree cept stop looking just at yourself part... he's got his feeling, you can't kick his front door put a shootgun on his head and ask him to agree with your option.<span>:smileyvery-happy:actually you are right. i totally understand your feeling. I feel the same thing. actually to have a choise is pretty lamed in my opinion. that just make me suck both side. it's about gear focus...  spells are raids. cas are for groups. ( you can still use CAs on some no AE mobs though, so don't bite me ) I dunno I don't see the future of inquisitors yet.</span></div>