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[Demoniac]

any news coming from the new expansion?just wanna see what they can improve our cleirc. 1. I wanna see how they improve our reactive. our reactive doesn't do anything on those big mobs, I've seen my reactive on the mt for 30 seconds in the matron fight... it's only 5 charges... man 30 seconds matron didn't even hit the tank for 5 times.. hope they can improve it the next xpansion. 2. I wanna see if they can improve our HPS. man, needless to say, a durid does heal better a cleric. that's the fact nobody can lie in this case. I've seen a durid can hit 690 Heal per second. any cleirc close this rate?? again 690 heals every seconds ( please read it carefully ) my best hps is like 540 with convert up ( after 30 seconds I run out of power with a swashy transfer) hope they can do something in this case. how's the beta?? <div></div>

[Crimson Dragon]

i just happened to spot your thread perusing my usual class forums...i have a level 70 warden, so i have some input here.  <span><span>:smileyhappy:</span>i'm not sure which druid you were talking about, but i know that wardens can do a heck of a lot of healing. i see inquisitors as having an advantage in most epic encounters in healing <i>effectiveness </i>over the warden because of the way healing works. the idea in raids is generally to keep the tank at or as close to 100% hp the entire fight. well, you've got 3 types of specialty healing here: warding, reactive, and regenerative. wards are especially effective for preventing damage, reactives are good for buffering against hits that eat into the HP of the tank, and regeneratives are good for building them back up. wards are obviously the best starting point for raid encounters because they can prevent parts of spike damage from even hitting the tank. i would vote reactives next, because they can make the spikes less effective. what happens is that regenerative heals, while often having the best healing capability, as you have stated, often have the lowest effectiveness in this situation. when i've been raiding with my warden, i generally find that the only time my heals do anything is after big spikes of damage where it does eat into the tank's HP. here, my heals act as the "pad" to keep another big hit from knocking the tank out, while the other healers cast their big heals. all of my single-target heals are regenerative, so they only tick out between 1/3 and 1/2 of the way before a cleric or shaman heal lands and brings the tank back up to full health again. so my effectiveness as a healer in raid situations is pretty situational. sure there are times when you just need a lot of healing and the damage is pretty consistent. those times aside, while druid - warden in particular - regen healing is very powerful, it is not nearly as effective overall as, say, a reactive against epics.so, there seems to be a trade-off between "HPS" and healing effectiveness.i don't know anyone that cries if they can't find a druid for a raid... but they sure do miss not having a cleric.</span><div></div>

[Israphil]

<blockquote><hr>Crimson Dragon wrote:i don't know anyone that cries if they can't find a druid for a raid... but they sure do miss not having a cleric.</span><div></div><hr></blockquote>I dunno about other guilds, but I can't remember a raid in which at least 2 druids weren't present.

[Demoniac]

I guess you missed my point... i am talking about HPS.  let's say a mob hit the tank for 4k... i am talking about like matron, like chel'druk... not like courts... they do hit the tank for 4k then blocked, miss miss, purry, 4k again. in this case reactive is useless.... that is what I was just trying to present. Most of the raids, I am talking about raids, reactive doesn't work well on those 75 x4 encounters. reactive works ok on trash mobs or heroic. for hps, it's healing per second. I am pretty sure warden can heal 700 per seconds like MO fight staff.  for those AE heals, durids >> cleirc. they spend less power, and heal more, and heal faster that's the case.  i would like to see a cleirc,either a templar or an inquisitor point at my face and tell me " you are wrong" i can do 700 hps during the raid, like a durid does. let's see if anyone can do it <span>:smileywink:</span> <div></div>

[Gobbwin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Crimson Dragon wrote:<BR><SPAN>so my effectiveness as a healer in raid situations is pretty situational. sure there are times when you just need a lot of healing and the damage is pretty consistent. those times aside, while druid - warden in particular - regen healing is very powerful, it is not nearly as effective overall as, say, a reactive against epics.</SPAN> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>All healers are situationally the best, it's intended (one of the few things that actually is "working as intended").  However, the worst situation for a cleric is mobs that hit slow and hard (e.g. many if not most epic mobs).  Reactives barely even register on a large hit, so we have to resort to spamming direct heals.  We shine w/ fast hitting mobs that don't do much damage per hit.  Another situation we suck in is AEs (yet another epic mob favorite).  Group reactives will only partially mitigate the incomming damage and then just sit there, so we have to spam group heals.  However, group regen would slowly heal everyone up... </P> <P>Are we gimped and unable to raid?  Hell no, we're awesome in our little healing nitch.  But it doesn't hurt to ask and hope that something is fixed and/or improved.</P> <P> </P> <P>Personally, I'd love to see the interrupts looked into.  Even with higher than average focus, the interrupts can be insane.  Plate tanks don't get interrupted remotely as often as we do, so what do we gain w/ plate with regards to interrupts?<BR></P>

[Crimson Dragon]

well as long as clerics and shamans aren't good at aoes, druids still have some place on a raid. <span>:smileytongue:</span>yes, i realize you were talking about HPS, and i know what it means. i was just commenting on the value of raw HPS versus the effectiveness of a heal type in certain encounters.like gobbwin said, we all have our place, it's designed to be that way. <span>:smileyhappy:</span><div></div>

[Demoniac]

<blockquote><hr>Crimson Dragon wrote:well as long as clerics and shamans aren't good at aoes, druids still have some place on a raid. <span>:smileytongue:</span>yes, i realize you were talking about HPS, and i know what it means. i was just commenting on the value of raw HPS versus the effectiveness of a heal type in certain encounters.like gobbwin said, we all have our place, it's designed to be that way. <span>:smileyhappy:</span><div></div><hr></blockquote>Thank you sir.<div></div>