So um, if all we do is heal ....

[Ravaan]

<DIV>why don't we have the biggest heals? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>we do pitiful damage compared to Furies yet i believe they have better single target heals. Shamans have great debuffs yet thier single target heals are way "bigger" than clerics.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I thought as a priest if i was going to sacrifice doing anything else except heals, I thought i would get the best heals in the game.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>apparently i was wrong.</DIV>

[orthanc]

bah, we all know inquis are uber, we can out heal and dps anyone!besides i'd take faster recast over big heals anyday<div></div>

[Goozman]

<DIV>Was this post meant to just cause drama or something?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Inquisitors do more dps than Furies, have much larger heals with similar recast timers and a bit larger cast timers (ending in a much higher hit points per second ratio). Inquisitors have great debuffs, not as good as Shamans though, but better than Templars. Mystic heals do the exact same amounts as Inquisitors, except Inquisitor recast timers are much lower (ending with the same result as Furies).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So pretty much everything you said was wrong. Inquisitors have potentially the highest dps of all priests, plate armor, great debuffs (third best of all priests), great buffs, infinite power, minor control capabilities (hey, 3 priests have no controls at all), and superior healing capabilities. If you are so jealous of other priests, then you have a) no idea what an inquisitor does, or b) no idea what other priests do. Just go play something else for poop's sake.</DIV>

[dave143256384]

<P> </P> <P>this is a flame bait right?</P> <P><BR> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ravaan wrote:<BR> <DIV>why don't we have the biggest heals? </DIV> <DIV> <HR>  </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>well our heals arnt as big as templars but they are faster casting, and once you get convert they become slightly larger too, so we have excellent healing</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <HR>  </DIV> <DIV>we do pitiful damage compared to Furies yet i believe they have better single target heals. Shamans have great debuffs yet thier single target heals are way "bigger" than clerics.</DIV> <DIV> <HR>  </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>our debuffs reduce the mobs effectivly by 4 or so levels in all areas, they help us or the gorup kill it faster and reduce the damage taken by the tank/us. they are very good debuffs.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>shamens do not have as big a single terget heals as us, they ward, and patch heal. what you probly saw was a higher level skill heal, like a master for example or a crit heal.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> <HR>  </DIV> <DIV>I thought as a priest if i was going to sacrifice doing anything else except heals, I thought i would get the best heals in the game.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>apparently i was wrong.</DIV> <HR> <P><FONT color=#ff0000> you are wrong in a great many ways young padawan. were an excellent healer and our dps is respectable too. by no means are we uber and killing but were pretty good.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff0000>what level are you?</FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE><p>Message Edited by dave143256384 on <span class=date_text>08-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:59 AM</span>

[ericshaitan]

<blockquote><hr>Goozman wrote: <div> </div> <div>Inquisitors do more dps than Furies, </div><hr></blockquote>LOL!  Man you must roll with some really crappy furies then.  Furies can easily out DPS any other priest class.  I will say how ever INQ to come in second.<div></div>

[dave143256384]

<P>ive always found even the good well equipped ones to be over rated in their dps potential, they have sum ok nukes true</P> <P>but still its overated, and our AAs allow us to give em a run for thier money</P>

[Demoniac]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ericshaitan wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Goozman wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Inquisitors do more dps than Furies, </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>LOL!  Man you must roll with some really crappy furies then.  Furies can easily out DPS any other priest class.  I will say how ever INQ to come in second.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I bet this guy play this game less than a week. why not just tell us wizards are better tank than guardians and zekers. I wasn't trying to f[]ck with you, Goozman. you better understand the basic before you post like this.

[Gangly]

If you (the op) don't like your class so much, go play a fury!  Each healer is balanced in different situations/mobs, in my opinion.<div></div>

[lubu1977]

<DIV>We are 1 of the best healing class and we can be #1 healing class. Ppl are begging me to stay in group to heal them when they have 2 healers can't keep them up cuz they sometimes do stupid things like pull more than 1 group mobs and tank hardly keep aggro. Although i'm only lvl 51inq, I excel my healing whenever I play. Our reactives and quick casting healing spells just own every1 in healing competition.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>About dps, I don't do dps and I ONLY Heal. I don't solo either cuz I build my inq to group and heal. If I want to solo and dps, I can always log on my 70wiz.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Being as a healer as the same time as a supportive dps bot, my group always do well cuz they do better with inq dps buffs. I have master zealotry and it pwns, not mentioning all my healing spells are master and couple adept 3 of debuffing spells. Ashamely, my damage spells are adept 1 or appr1..lol</DIV>

[khufure]

When I play my main (70 assassin) I always hope to have one in my dps group.  Not only can inquisitors do 500+ dps but you boost us scouts so nicely.  I wish parsers would put the buff dps back to the person that cast it.  Note that 500dps doesn't take into account inquest (spelling?).  It's pretty cool to see Inquisitors zap the epic x4s from 2% to dead, too.  Zap, 40k hitpoints gone!That having been said, in a raid I prefer a templar as my MT healer to go with defiler.  But inq can get the job done no problem.  It's just that the templar stoneskin is kind of nice.P.s. defiler > inquisitor <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.  But I have a defiler alt so maybe I am biased.<div></div>

[Goozman]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ericshaitan wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Goozman wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Inquisitors do more dps than Furies,</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>LOL!  Man you must roll with some really crappy furies then.  Furies can easily out DPS any other priest class.  I will say how ever INQ to come in second.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>hahahaha... yeeeeeeeeeeah. Keep prolonging that myth in your head.</P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>ericshaitan wrote:</P> <P>Here is the reason why Inquisitors will always WTFPWN Templars...  and that reason is on single target mobs i can parse 800-900 DPS.  while a templar can parse......200? 300?<BR></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>So after reading this... I'm curious to know just how much sustained dps you think Furies have... It also shows me thet you're either exaggerating or you don't know what other priests are capable of; as Templars can do much more than 200 or 300.</P><p>Message Edited by Goozman on <span class=date_text>08-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:22 AM</span>

[ericshaitan]

<blockquote><hr>Goozman wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <blockquote> <hr> ericshaitan wrote: <blockquote> <hr> Goozman wrote: <div> </div> <div>Inquisitors do more dps than Furies, </div> <hr> </blockquote>LOL!  Man you must roll with some really crappy furies then.  Furies can easily out DPS any other priest class.  I will say how ever INQ to come in second. <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>hahahaha... yeeeeeeeeeeah. Keep prolonging that myth in your head.<p>Message Edited by Goozman on <span class="date_text">08-11-2006</span> <span class="time_text">11:01 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Ok [Removed for Content], listen up.  Im sorry that the your fury younger 7year old brother doesn't have the active hand movements to out DPS your 200dps madness...  If you have a Fury and an Inquisitor both going full out DPS, the fury will win every time hands down.  <div></div>

[ericshaitan]

<blockquote><hr>Goozman wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <blockquote> <hr> ericshaitan wrote: <blockquote> <hr> Goozman wrote: <div> </div> <div>Inquisitors do more dps than Furies,</div> <hr> </blockquote>LOL!  Man you must roll with some really crappy furies then.  Furies can easily out DPS any other priest class.  I will say how ever INQ to come in second. <div></div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>hahahaha... yeeeeeeeeeeah. Keep prolonging that myth in your head.</p> <blockquote> <p></p> <hr> <p>ericshaitan wrote:</p> <p>Here is the reason why Inquisitors will always WTFPWN Templars...  and that reason is on single target mobs i can parse 800-900 DPS.  while a templar can parse......200? 300?</p> <div></div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>So after reading this... I'm curious to know just how much sustained dps you think Furies have... It also shows me thet you're either exaggerating or you don't know what other priests are capable of; as Templars can do much more than 200 or 300.</p><p>Message Edited by Goozman on <span class="date_text">08-11-2006</span> <span class="time_text">11:22 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>The Fury I roll with parses 900-1K+ when he actually tries.  And you are right I was under-exaggerating a Templars DPS.<div></div>

[Goozman]

<P>When you are rolling with your fury, what are you fighting? We talking raid mobs here or just 8-15 second group mobs? If we are talking group mobs, then I can buy that; but that's not dps, it's just burst damage. Fury dps only dwarfs the other priests when a fight lasts between 3.5 and 12 seconds.</P> <P>I am a Raider, however, so that is what concerns me. I was under the impression that Fury >dps< was fully intended to be much higher than shaman or cleric >dps<, however as of KoS that is no longer the case; and the problem lies strictly with aa's (nobody who looks at druid aa's can disagree with that, gimme a break).</P> <P>I am definitely not advocating that druid damage spells be super buffed to do more damage, as the leveling Fury is probably about where he/she's supposed to be... the issue is with high end characters with aa's.</P> <P>Oh and I'll spare you all the other crappy weaknesses of the Fury and Warden classes (mostly fury), that no other priest has.</P> <P>note: If your Fury is "easily" getting 900-1k+ dps on raids; I'd like to see some proof; because I don't buy that for a second. I don't mean one parse from the first group in Lyceum either.</P><p>Message Edited by Goozman on <span class=date_text>08-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:46 AM</span>

[ericshaitan]

<blockquote><hr>Goozman wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <p>When you are rolling with your fury, what are you fighting? We talking raid mobs here or just 8-15 second group mobs? If we are talking group mobs, then I can buy that; but that's not dps, it's just burst damage. Fury dps only dwarfs the other priests when a fight lasts between 3.5 and 12 seconds.</p> <p>I am a Raider, however, so that is what concerns me. I was under the impression that Fury >dps< was fully intended to be much higher than shaman or cleric >dps<, however as of KoS that is no longer the case; and the problem lies strictly with aa's (nobody who looks at druid aa's can disagree with that, gimme a break).</p> <p>I am definitely not advocating that druid damage spells be super buffed to do more damage, as the leveling Fury is probably about where he/she's supposed to be... the issue is with high end characters with aa's.</p> <p>Oh and I'll spare you all the other crappy weaknesses of the Fury and Warden classes (mostly fury), that no other priest has.</p> <p>note: If your Fury is "easily" getting 900-1k+ dps on raids; I'd like to see some proof; because I don't buy that for a second. I don't mean one parse from the first group in Lyceum either.</p><p>Message Edited by Goozman on <span class="date_text">08-11-2006</span> <span class="time_text">11:46 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>These are Single Target raid mobs.  I would never base DPS off of group mobs, or else i would quote 3K+ as my DPS.  And getting these high numbers is not "Easily" done.  It takes skill and effort to achieve these numbers.<div></div>

[quetzaqotl]

<P>Thats nice how youd like to end this discussion with that last sentence it takes skill lol yes Ill tell you how much dps I do in raids.</P> <P>Against single targets i do around 500-800 dps depending on fights(ofc not against the hardest fights im talking about trash) against big grps using rof/cos/ae nuke etc. my highest parse has been 1500 dps against a big grp of trash and no healing the highest parse Ive seen our defiler do was 1600 dps fyi (defile ftw).</P> <P>On avg if "i try" to do dps against a single mob ill do around 700 dps.</P> <P>Its always easier to try to end a discussion by saying someones skill sucks kinda cheap that</P><p>Message Edited by quetzaqotl on <span class=date_text>08-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:21 PM</span>

[Whitemane]

<P>Wow I call pure and utter BS,3k DPS sure even group mobs its doubtful in the extreme...</P> <P>I didnt know Furies could out DPS raid equipped Wizards, Warlocks, Zerkers etc etc.. was the lightning flying out of your butt when you did this too?</P> <P> </P> <P>Best laugh Ive had in awhile.<BR></P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ericshaitan wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <P>Message Edited by Goozman on <SPAN class=date_text>08-11-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:46 AM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>These are Single Target raid mobs.  I would never base DPS off of group mobs, or else i would quote 3K+ as my DPS.  And getting these high numbers is not "Easily" done.  It takes skill and effort to achieve these numbers.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[Ragefighter87]

I hit 2K dps in PPTR :p At the time i had the turn undead aa lol  Throw turn undead+AE+Hertics(sp) = some nice DPS vs 24+ mobs.... Yea i know thats not real dps... I really don't think people get an inquisitor to do a crapy 150-500dps... imo we would be better off buffing our group with fanaticism and the DPS/hpbuff.  IT would prolly add more totel DPS to the raid than if we were to chain nuke mobs.  Would rather see each of my group members doing a steady 1-2K DPS than see my parse hit 500 every few fights. Im not saying i don't touch my attacks....but my gole is not to top the priest dps parser its more of toping the heal parse. The cleric AA choices can make the difference of an inquisitor/tmeplar beating a fury on dps.  If you get 100% haste/dps mod and max out melee crit you can deal some nice dps by just standing there swinging at the target (and use the thermal shocker ftw :p )  all you need is a badass 2 hander and a good amount of STR mixed with some procs... don't take this post personaly  im board and felt like typing.. <div></div>

[Demoniac]

<P>I've seen a fury parse 6700 in ppr. you cast a heretic, you got like 2k dps:smileywink:</P> <P>I personally think goozman misunderstand the point. </P> <P>Well-equited inuquisitor can do 800-1k dps.. that's not a problem ( if you have fire aura earring/blood of the brood/claymore rewards that proc range item.not sure the name. relic bp. bone-girdle etc.  all damage spells are master. fable 2 hander weapon. right aa setup. )</P> <P> </P> <P>a fury that has no fable gear at all. all mastercrafted items,most of the spells are adept I. </P> <P> </P> <P>you compare to these 2 guys? yes you right inquisitor got more dps than a fury. I think an inquisitor can do more dps than a wizard too. if the wizard is level 70 with no 50+ spells, all spells are app I. it's a true statement, isn't it.</P>

[Goozman]

<DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Demoniac wrote:<BR> <P>I've seen a fury parse 6700 in ppr. you cast a heretic, you got like 2k dps:smileywink:</P> <P>I personally think goozman misunderstand the point.</P> <P>Well-equited inuquisitor can do 800-1k dps.. that's not a problem ( if you have fire aura earring/blood of the brood/claymore rewards that proc range item.not sure the name. relic bp. bone-girdle etc.  all damage spells are master. fable 2 hander weapon. right aa setup. )</P> <P> </P> <P>a fury that has no fable gear at all. all mastercrafted items,most of the spells are adept I.</P> <P> </P> <P>you compare to these 2 guys? yes you right inquisitor got more dps than a fury. I think an inquisitor can do more dps than a wizard too. if the wizard is level 70 with no 50+ spells, all spells are app I. it's a true statement, isn't it.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><BR>total-e wrong. I'm comparing equally equipped level 70's with 50 aa's on mobs that last longer than 20 seconds. I know that guy is just lying, because such numbers are ridiculous... but then, he could be lying about his own dps too, I duno.</DIV> <DIV>I am fully fabled, several proccing items, waaaay over maxed int, incredibly skilled, maxed aa's for damage, and every single one of my spells that has a # on it is master. In a group with a troubador (with alegro) and illusionist (with synergism on me) the highest I could get is a little over 900 dps on a single target; I rarely ever get put in that group btw.</DIV> <DIV>I even have our crappy infusion aa so that when my 4 (yep, only 4) damage spells are down, I can cast fae pyre or hibernation to get it to proc 6 times for a quick 900ish damage (tho it costs almost 400 power). AND I even have a blackscale maul swinging inbetween my spell casting.</DIV> <DIV>When I'm in my regular group setup, I actually have typically the same DPS numbers as Q; 625-750 depending on my crits (which are about 38%); I know for a <U>fact,</U> as I have both seen it and done it, a Templar or Inquisitor can beat that sustained dps with the propper aa setup.</DIV>

[Duave]

<div><blockquote><hr>Goozman wrote:<div>Was this post meant to just cause drama or something?</div> <div> </div> <div>Inquisitors do more dps than Furies, have much larger heals with similar recast timers and a bit larger cast timers (ending in a much higher hit points per second ratio). Inquisitors have great debuffs, not as good as Shamans though, but better than Templars. Mystic heals do the exact same amounts as Inquisitors, except Inquisitor recast timers are much lower (ending with the same result as Furies).</div> <div> </div> <div>So pretty much everything you said was wrong. Inquisitors have potentially the highest dps of all priests, plate armor, great debuffs (third best of all priests), great buffs, infinite power, minor control capabilities (hey, 3 priests have no controls at all), and superior healing capabilities. If you are so jealous of other priests, then you have a) no idea what an inquisitor does, or b) no idea what other priests do. Just go play something else for poop's sake.</div><hr></blockquote>I dunno about you but solo I can only get to about 300-350dps as an inquisitor (400-450 with quickcast).. I've seen furies/wardens get 500+.We do have larger single target heals, but our group heals suck on a MASSIVE scale.I would have to say I'm pretty [Removed for Content] that our casting times are so long. 3-5 seconds is long when you compare it to 1-2 seconds. The great debuffs doesn't sound so great when it's "third" best.The big plus about an inquisitor is the DPS buffs and the power tap. The power tap is GODLY! I'll have to say, it saddens me we don't get any wisdom buffs.</div>

[The-Fourm-Pirate]

<P>Inquisitors are the most versatile of the healers, we can debuff, dps, and heal. Our DPS single target buff is liked in raid groups, Inquest is godly, I almost never run out of power at level 46 with it up, chain pulling full burning yellow and white solos. Group heals are our main weakness, but every class needs to have a downside. Plus we have the coolest casting foot cloud EVER.</P> <P>And on Inquisitor vs Fury dps, Fury wins hands down. I've had a Fury beat my Brigand on epic encounters using Call of Storms. Never had an Inquisitor DPSing against me but I doubt an Inquisitor can do 1.2k dps.</P><p>Message Edited by The-Fourm-Pirate on <span class=date_text>08-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:32 PM</span>

[quetzaqotl]

<P>Funny spell that cos, it can do good/great dmg against a a big group of trash but it stuns the caster and quite frankly defile can do more dmg (defile being the 65 defiler spell) and that spell doesnt stun the caster.</P> <P>So yeah if you decide not to heal and go full out dps yes we can get big nrs but defilers can get even bigger nrs on that same encounter while healing, Ive seen it happen btw against trash im going all out hit about 1k dps and our defiler hits 1.6 k hmm yeah.</P> <P>Also on the debuff thing debuffs arent that hot being 3rd in place hah what place do you think druids are debuff wise? yeah thats right last place (wardens have some very good cc to balance that out imo) but furies nope.</P> <P>Try to go full out on a single raid mob and see how well your inq does against a fury, you might be surprised.</P> <P>The nrs I and gooz posted arennt made up nrs but actual nrs from avg parses.</P> <P>As far as I can see inq debuff better have better means of incr a groups and can come close to a furies' dps.</P> <P>And imo thats a bit off no other priest except for a warden should be able to even come close to a fury's dps, as next to healing thats almost all we got.</P><p>Message Edited by quetzaqotl on <span class=date_text>08-13-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:27 PM</span>

[The-Fourm-Pirate]

<P>So because my oppinion is different than your own suddenly my numbers are made up? They aren't FYI, and that isn't the highest he's parsed either. Like i've said, i've never seen an Inquisitor go full burn on a raid parse but I seriously have to question an Inquisitor beating out fury DPS on any kind of real fight. I've never really seen the Inquisitor debuffs as good, but my main is a Brigand, so the 650 or so debuff in T7 is nothing compared to my 2,000 mitigation constant debuff and 3,000 short term. The Inquisitors in my guild generally stick to healing and all healing AAs, but this won't be the case with myself, I'll see once I get up there in levels.</P> <P>And don't act like Furies only have heals and DPS, Urchin is one of the best temporary mitigation buffs and is essential to the strategy we use on some encounters, and the other buffs Furies get aren't bad either.</P>

[quetzaqotl]

<P>I didnt say youre nrs were made up did I?</P> <P>Your nrs about a fury hitting over 1 k are kinda situational against a big grp of mobs our single target dmg isnt that hot its ok but not great or something and we can be beat against a single target by some other priests (and in some cases we get beat on grp encounters by another priest class: defilers like I stated defile is a great spell and doesnt hinder a defilers healing power like cos does to ours).</P> <P>Urchin is situationally useful but really when your tank is at max mitig it isnt very useful to lose a fury's healing power for extra mitig, against orange encounters then its a bit useful, but really not needed against any encounter in game and I know it isnt as our guild has done every raid in game and against orange mobs our mt sometimes rather have a warden in his grp for the +skills to be actually able to hit the mob and the extra resists they bring.</P> <P>Also comparing inq debuffs against a brigs is a bit off everyone knows how useful your dispatch and debiliate are, thats why every guilds wants a brig your bring a lot to a raid as we all know.</P> <P>Druid aa's arent anything to be happy about.</P> <P>Debuff wise furies got nothing to show for useless debuffs thats all we have (and no cc), and I have parsed my spells to see what they actually do.</P> <P>Just getting sick of all the wrong info around the sony boards furies arent gods amongst priest, none of all that, this has gone on for much too long.</P><p>Message Edited by quetzaqotl on <span class=date_text>08-13-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:13 PM</span>

[Goozman]

<DIV>really think a new thread should be started if you want to argue Fury vs Inquisitor; as this thread started as just an illogical bs whine about how underpowered Inquisitors are compared to all the other priests.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>but anyway, I'll go ahead and chime in again. I have not heard of a top end guild using Urchin.. maybe noob guilds think it's worth using, but if they actually learn about what other classes can do, they'd see that it is actually a detriment to have the Fury using it, or even being in the MT group most of the time.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>call of storms is still a pos, as far as I'm concerned. The majority of epic encounters are 3 mobs or less, and the ones with many more are dead within 10 seconds... that being said, on encounters with 1-3 mobs, Call of Storms dps is much less than what any priest can get while not stunned. On encounters with more than 3, it doesn't have enough time to produce any damage, and the Fury would be better off just using Starnova and Ring of Fire. If your guild has really low ae dps, then Call of Storms would be worth using on those big groups... but top end guilds do not have low ae dps.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for other Fury buffs... sure, they are good... until you compare them with what other Priests get. I don't feel as though Furies should have great buffs anyway though, they should be the highest (by far) damage of any priest, and sacrifice armor/control/defensive buffing/preventative heals/debuffs to do so (like they already do...)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And as for Fury dps beating Inquisitor dps "hands down"... bs... read the freakin threads.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Have a nice day!</DIV>

[Spider]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Goozman wrote:<BR> <DIV>Was this post meant to just cause drama or something?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>Inquisitors do more dps than Furies</FONT>, have much larger heals with similar recast timers and a bit larger cast timers (ending in a much higher hit points per second ratio). Inquisitors have great debuffs, not as good as Shamans though, but better than Templars. Mystic heals do the exact same amounts as Inquisitors, except Inquisitor recast timers are much lower (ending with the same result as Furies).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So pretty much everything you said was wrong. Inquisitors have potentially the highest dps of all priests, plate armor, great debuffs (third best of all priests), great buffs, infinite power, minor control capabilities (hey, 3 priests have no controls at all), and superior healing capabilities. If you are so jealous of other priests, then you have a) no idea what an inquisitor does, or b) no idea what other priests do. Just go play something else for poop's sake.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>your fairly correct on eveything BUT the highlighted part  as furries GREATLY out dps us in almiost every concievable way 

[quetzaqotl]

<P>How much dps do you do? then ask yourself how much dps furies do.</P> <P>Didnt I read of inq doing around 800 dps consistantly against single targets?</P> <P>If thats bs that inq are doing 800 dps then fine but Ive read these boards and have seen people claim that they can outdps furies</P> <P>and can do 800-900-1000 dps quite often, a furies dps is the same 90% of the time or even less, I dont think dps shouldve been this close and yes aas are made too important/good for some classes at first devs said it would be more flavor (aas), but yeah seeing a guardian do over 1k dps with his buckler line vs 600 dps with some other line and clerics doing close to or out dps druids is a bit off imo.</P> <P>Well see how eof will correct this, the biggest beef I have dps wise with priest isnt with inq tho, I can say I get a bit aggrevated when I see our defiler outdps me when we both go full out on a big trash group and he does 1600 dps and im stuck around 1k while he doesnt get a penalty for dpsing using defile.</P> <P>But yes please keep on posting how much dps furies are compared to other priests and that we get the best heals and awesome debuffs/buffs or other nonsense.</P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by quetzaqotl on <span class=date_text>08-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:59 PM</span>

[Demoniac]

<DIV>Well, I see the point now. goozman. I've heard the same speech before that a fury can do 1k+ dps on a single target is totally a lie.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>the problem is about cast and recast. a inquisitor can spam the hostile spells never stop. a fury can't caz the recast timer is too long:smileywink:. proc gears help more for inquisitors:smileywink:.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My highest single target dps is 1094, the eyeball in lyceum( yes the one with over 2m hps ). my best group dps ( less than 8, not something like ppr you spend 6 seconds killed a x4 24 mobs ) is 1174, a group 5 mob plus 1 big mob. yes, I can do 600 dps on any raid target if I don't have to heal or even he has no debuff on it. my aveage dps is about 800.  my solo pure melee parser is 398 before lu24, ragnog the angler, 230k hp fight 9mins 38 seconds fight with 216 str. I am sure now I can do much higher than that. but those doesn't mean anything. you have to take a look the case in general. yes the gears help a inquisitor more than a fury. that's the main reason you think inquisitor can beat a fury's dps. there are still lots of level 70 inquisitors that doesn't even have relic. they are the mojority. the game designed for them.  a naked fury will beat a nake inquisitor in the parser, don't you agree? that's the point :smileyhappy:.</DIV>

[Demoniac]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> quetzaqotl wrote:<BR> <P>Didnt I read of inq doing around 800 dps consistantly against single targets?</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>for me, yes sir. if during a raid, if the target is single, if I don't have to do heal. I can parse 800+ on each one of them. but I think it's more like 900-1k. 800 that's the min :  )

[Demoniac]

<DIV>I've heard a defiler can do 1k dps as well. if you need further information, you can ask razieh in EC, befallen server.:smileysurprised:</DIV>

[quetzaqotl]

<DIV>Thats the thing Im sure me and gooz wouldntve posted on these boards if noone wouldve said furies outdmg inq greatly or why dont inq get bigger heals while furies do more dmg.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Inq on single targets can quite easily if what you said is correct outdmg a fury going fullblast on the same target I cant do 1k dps on a single target or at least Ive never done that much most ive done on a single target is around 850 (in raids ofc but more often in the 600-700 range) my highest grp dps and thats going all out and not healing and using my cos which stuns me is 1500-1550 dps (yes and our defiler has outdmged me on quite a few parses doing around 1600 while being able to heal).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So with what people have posted on this thread and in other thread, theres absolutely NO REASON to ever say again furies outdmg inquisitors greatly, dont you agree?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It shouldve been so Imo that our dmg should be quite a bit higher than other priests or our offensive buffing needs a bump in that we incr dps of our grp imo.</DIV> <DIV>Maybe in eof well get some changes as druids aas as they are right now are quite [Removed for Content] especially compared to clerics.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by quetzaqotl on <span class=date_text>08-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:27 PM</span>

[Solar_Fla]

<DIV>Inquisitors can do alot of damage but it depends so much on AA setup Buffs and Gear. If your a DPS group inquisitor, you shouldn't have enough concentration to be able to buff yourself with Consecrated Aura so you lose some dps there and having Yaulp up can be slightly detrimental on names but doesn't really matter on trash. If you have fabled weapons with high max damage low delay you can do very good sustained dps. One of the best arguements though is that our dps isn't tied in with our power if you go melee AA setup. So furies can definatly push the dps with their power but if it is a long fight and the tank is taking a bit of damage their power is going to the tank. Ours does as well but when our power runs out which it never does (chilling inquest) we can continue to dps consistently well. It all comes down to playstyle once again. Some people prefer not having to spend power to dps and some wish thats all they had to do. Granted a top geared raid guild with most of its members fabled out is an exception to this. Any top end raid guild will be able to survive without as much healing and thats where these numbers come from but from a low end raid guild perspective dps is the last thing ya should worry about hehe. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Derail to the original topic inc:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Inquisitor's are highly versatile in almost all situations. We have a great mix of spells and I am highly satisfied with this choice. I think everyone should have a pocket inquisitor cause they are such fun to play. If nothing else you will have a healer that can always get a group. Never heard of a group saying "no we don't want an inquisitor cause they suck" lol. But then again most people wouldn't say that right to an inquisitors face cause then the heals might come a bit slow lol. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Demoniac]

<DIV>all the healer classes are pretty much balanced. each healer has it's own play style and focus. templar ( bigest heal ), inquisitor ( Fastest recast ), warden ( best Hpp ),etc... over all, I think defilers and furies they are the best priest ( raid wild )</DIV>

[quetzaqotl]

<P>if you think all priests are balanced theres no best.</P><p>Message Edited by quetzaqotl on <span class=date_text>08-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:25 PM</span>

[Atrix]

<DIV>Don't give up Iquisitors!  You are loved and wanted!  And for a lot more than.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Playing an up and coming brigand, I have the distinct pleasure of duoing with one of two inquies (sometimes all three of us get together) and I love the combo.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In addition to the all important healing, inquies give my already respectful DPS a nice boost.  More DPS is ALWAYS a good thing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Second to that, you all wear nice and sturdy plate so I can temporarily dink off single mobs onto you so I can get off my back attacks with out fear (unlike with some of your squishier compadres).  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Last and certainly not least, you can do decent damage and even better against specific opponents depending on your AA setup.  I have lost count the number of times I've been OOP and only auto-attacking and it's getting hairy but out of the blue my inquie partners have saved the day with a last second spell that finished off the mob.  There is not a single undead mob in this game (level appropriate of course) that can stand against one of my inquie partners.  Apologeticly, I don't know the name of the AA line she took, but she is a holy (or unholy in the case of inquisitors) terror against undead... of which there is not a lack for in Norrath these days.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In short... I heart inquisitors.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Atrixya on <span class=date_text>08-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:45 PM</span>

[Echar Elocin]

every class is best at something otherwise we wouldnt have more than one type.  if i want i can out hps shamans on raids while out dps'in most of the healers.  my favorite fights r the long ones cause i'm the only one with full pwr <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> i think we are the best of any class because we can heal forever and ever. 

[Demoniac]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Echar Elocin wrote:<BR> every class is best at something otherwise we wouldnt have more than one type.  if i want i can out hps shamans on raids while out dps'in most of the healers.  my favorite fights r the long ones cause i'm the only one with full pwr <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> i think we are the best of any class because we can heal forever and ever. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>As long as the mana tranfer guy still alife:smileyhappy:

[Solar_Fla]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Demoniac wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Echar Elocin wrote:<BR> every class is best at something otherwise we wouldn't have more than one type.  if i want i can out hps shamans on raids while out dps'in most of the healers.  My favorite fights r the long ones cause I'm the only one with full pwr <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> i think we are the best of any class because we can heal forever and ever. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>As long as the mana transfer guy still alive:smileyhappy:<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Hehe I find my mana transfer guy to be the most important person in my group. If he dies well he is getting a no res sickness res ASAP. Can't be having a loss of mana. That would be unconscionable to let him stay dead!! He is almost more important than the MT (not really but he is a close second <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />)

[The-Fourm-Pirate]

Yeah, the guy with inquest and the tank are the only two people I try to keep alive, if the others get aggro, they die and I rez them after the fight. Rezzing costs lest mana than healing.

[menelaus109]

Interesting thread, i wish id kept my logs from when i raided a lot (new comp and a long break) so i could throw out some parses to back stuff upWhen we had a free AA respec i used mine to experiment with a DPS Inq and see what sort of numbers i could put up, iirc i went 4-4-8 Sta 4-4-8 Agi and 4-4-8 IntI used a number of weapons including, BSM, SGF, VCC, SFW, AVW All my spell are of M1 levelI setup my equipment (including potions and hex dolls) to max Int and Str for max melee and spell damage and if iirc i was at around 400 str and 380 int, 350 sta, wis suffered a lot and i think it was around 300Using pure melee and self buffed i could easily do 600DPSMixing in some spells it was around 700DPS but the variation was higherI had the opportunity to test the setup in a group of Zerker, Troub, Coercer, Wiz and FuryThe fury did all the healing and i managed to consistently achieve 900+DPS i had 100% Haste, Melee crit, DPS, and around 25% spell crit and plenty of other nice buffs and procs, highest DPS for a fight was around 1.2k i thinkNow in this situation i doubt the fury could have sustained that level of DPS, the group was almost ideal for meHowever with my normal AA configuration and focusing on Wis, Sta and resists i find i rarely come close to fury DPS, mine is around 400 peaking at 550 if im lucky with crits and a fury can easily top thatI still think we are better soloers though, i can easily solo mobs that would own a fury or most other healers, with mitigation of 5k and avoidance of 25-30% there isnt much we cant solo, albeit slowly

[Demoniac]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> menelaus109 wrote:<BR>Interesting thread, i wish id kept my logs from when i raided a lot (new comp and a long break) so i could throw out some parses to back stuff up<BR><BR>When we had a free AA respec i used mine to experiment with a DPS Inq and see what sort of numbers i could put up, iirc i went 4-4-8 Sta 4-4-8 Agi and 4-4-8 Int<BR><BR>I used a number of weapons including, BSM, SGF, VCC, SFW, AVW <BR><BR>All my spell are of M1 level<BR><BR>I setup my equipment (including potions and hex dolls) to max Int and Str for max melee and spell damage and if iirc i was at around 400 str and 380 int, 350 sta, wis suffered a lot and i think it was around 300<BR><BR>Using pure melee and self buffed i could easily do 600DPS<BR><BR>Mixing in some spells it was around 700DPS but the variation was higher<BR><BR>I had the opportunity to test the setup in a group of Zerker, Troub, Coercer, Wiz and Fury<BR><BR>The fury did all the healing and i managed to consistently achieve 900+DPS i had 100% Haste, Melee crit, DPS, and around 25% spell crit and plenty of other nice buffs and procs, highest DPS for a fight was around 1.2k i think<BR><BR>Now in this situation i doubt the fury could have sustained that level of DPS, the group was almost ideal for me<BR><BR>However with my normal AA configuration and focusing on Wis, Sta and resists i find i rarely come close to fury DPS, mine is around 400 peaking at 550 if im lucky with crits and a fury can easily top that<BR><BR>I still think we are better soloers though, i can easily solo mobs that would own a fury or most other healers, with mitigation of 5k and avoidance of 25-30% there isnt much we cant solo, albeit slowly<BR><BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Uber

[Audabon]

<DIV>What I wanna know is</DIV> <DIV>WHY  ISNT THE HEALER HEALING?</DIV> <DIV>Killing grey mobs? lol</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[ericshaitan]

<blockquote><hr>Audabon wrote:<div></div> <div>What I wanna know is</div> <div>WHY  ISNT THE HEALER HEALING?</div> <div>Killing grey mobs? lol</div> <div> </div><hr></blockquote>Wait a minute.............. We are a healer class????, I thought we were just a [Removed for Content] version of a pally...<div></div>

[Audabon]

Ewwwwww pally!  Bite thy tongue!:smileyvery-happy: