Odyssey Stones a rip-off?

[Brinvenoir]

<DIV>For the price it costs for only one odyssey stone, I think that you should be able to teleport the entire group and not just one allie.  </DIV> <DIV>Thoughts?</DIV>

[Lou]

<DIV>Every class can gate anyways...what's the point?</DIV>

[Brinvenoir]

<DIV>I suppose it's pretty simple then...Odyssey  =  waste of spell book room. </DIV> <DIV> Lol, I suppose it is nice to have when you are in a bind and you already used CotO,  then it's good to have a stone, but it just seems that these stones are awfully pricey for the one person teleport trip.</DIV>

[encrypt128b]

<DIV>no way, not a rip off.... the oddessy spell rocks... sometimes i want to gate before my recall timer is up, 1 silver isnt bad for stones.. i pay more for my food.</DIV>

[Mortainio]

<DIV>im with ya on that oddesy is nice cuz i tend to go back and foruth alot and well running in all this vangaurd is tiering some times.</DIV>

[Mor]

Well as a healer and being so, obviously, in demand, and easily irritated by random invites from people that didn't even bother to send me a tell. I love oddysy. I simply accept target the inviter, and start chanting away. And the value is great cause most people disband well before you complete your spell. I guess they don't feel like making the trip back on foot. Ah well.

[Brinvenoir]

<DIV>no way why are you paying for food?  why don't you use the summon food and water spell?  </DIV>

[Si]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Brinvenoir wrote:<BR> <DIV>no way why are you paying for food?  why don't you use the summon food and water spell?  </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>because the summon food and water is the lowest quality food/water there is.  Even at 19 the regen rate on it sucks.  try using some crafted foods and you will notice a huge difference.  I used to use summoned all the time until tonight when I tried crafted stuff.  I will never go back unless I am out of food and need it.</DIV>

[synistermynist]

<DIV>BTW, you can use odyssey on anyone...and yes that means non grouped folks...Qeynosians watch out <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Mortainio]

<DIV>are you sure you can just cast it on any one? has any one done this before ? i thought it had to be in your group? if not boy are they gonna be alot of bad players sent home lol </DIV>

[Za]

<DIV>Yes, you can use it on anyone. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>*** I haven't personally done this ***</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But there's been more than a few times I've been tempted to TP the guy that keeps training the FG zone over and over again. </DIV>

[Brinvenoir]

<DIV>:smileyvery-happy:</DIV>

[Decimat]

<DIV>Bwahaha... that is the best info I have heard all week. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I am going to keep a stone on me from now on. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[xdaisha]

<blockquote><hr>Brinvenoir wrote:<DIV>no way why are you paying for food? why don't you use the summon food and water spell? </DIV><hr></blockquote>Dear GOD I wish people would stop getting into groups with me in the 20's who still use either the cheapest store bought or summoned food - it slows the whole group down immensely Case in point - group of 6 and we all are eating/drinking either the 19cp or 77cp or player made food and drink and our health and mana is litterally at full except for one member - we assume they forgot to turn the food and water on after dying or logging inNope they just chose to eat only the summoned free stuff - we were waiting for them at the end of each battle - we explained it was slowing us down and that person said they weren't going to buy the expensive food or water ever /kick/ooc looking for 22-25 who knows how to actually play the game and isnt a tightwad It truly is hampering your group if you are eating either summoned or the cheap stuff past mid teen levels

[peasant007]

<DIV>And here I thought that the Odyssey Stone was indeed a rip-off!  I knew you could cast it on somebody...but I never thought to cast it on those annoying people who just send invites w/out asking first.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>!!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I knew I turned evil for a reason!  :smileyvery-happy:</DIV>

[bellstar]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> peasant007 wrote:<BR> <DIV>And here I thought that the Odyssey Stone was indeed a rip-off!  I knew you could cast it on somebody...but I never thought to cast it on those annoying people who just send invites w/out asking first.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>!!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I knew I turned evil for a reason!  :smileyvery-happy:</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Hmm I'm going to have to test that.  In beta they made a patch message about it being group only. There was a wonderful thread about "Odyssey your problems away"  - Someone stealing your camp and being a jerk?  Use this spell to make that problem go away...</P> <P>Then the devs responded that it was an oversight and made it group only.  If this can still be cast on non-group members...I'm going be to be more evil and "odyssey my problems away." Though I understand the use of this spell I wish it would send one person to maybe the safe spot in each zone.  I think a single person evac would be more useful than the current version of this spell.</P>

[L'Espoir Per]

<DIV>I can't wait to try that on a few people in Varsoon that constantly like to train on my groups.  >=]</DIV>

[Griza]

<DIV>Odyssey Stone description said that it would take you "home"  Does this mean that it will only gate you to Gate in Longshadow alley.  If I move to say...North Freeport (not in this decade) will it zone me to that zone.  Since my "home" would be there.  This spell would be soooo much better if it zoned people into their actual house!  Merchants would LOVE this! </DIV>

[peasant007]

<DIV>I think it takes you to your originating hamlet.  It takes me to Big Bend, even though my house is on Temple Street (where the rest of my guild members are located; we all relinquished our own houses, and are all trustees for the one there).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As a side note, I find it very funny that they place High Elf traitors where the trolls are...:smileyhappy:</DIV>

[Repod]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> bellstar wrote:<BR><BR><BR> <P>Hmm I'm going to have to test that.  In beta they made a patch message about it being group only. There was a wonderful thread about "Odyssey your problems away"  - Someone stealing your camp and being a jerk?  Use this spell to make that problem go away...</P> <P>Then the devs responded that it was an oversight and made it group only.  <BR> <HR> </P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Heck, even if it is group only. You can port those people that ninja invite you back to the rock they crawled out from.</P> <P>Hey they didn't ask you if you wanted to be invited, so don't ask them if they want to be ported <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR></P>

[Jait]

<DIV>Makes sense to me.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And very apropos to the Inquisitor class.  Someone [Removed for Content] you off in group and you cant make em kneel?  Boot em, literally!</DIV>

[INSANEPOOK]

<DIV>Hello out there.. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>HA HA</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I found the best use for the stone. TO SAVE MY [Removed for Content].</DIV> <DIV>I was helping some people do the demon part and we killed him without much effort. I was in the middle of typing "Do not start the next part of the quest. I've been told we need to be more powerful..blahblah"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Then a few seconds later I see</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>......loading....</DIV> <DIV>This was my first time so for a moment I thought the server was going down but then I found myself on a boat. I was rather [Removed for Content] and not thinking so I tried to handle the waves with the group. We handled everything but the last wave which ended us. I found myself on the dock of the Enchanted Lands and everything out there was Red to me. I did my recall.....ended up in Big Bend. </DIV> <DIV>  So off I went back to the Nek Forest to collect some ganja. I get a tell that a higher level group wants to do the boat part. I join the group. Now I get there after taking a pretty hard beating due to my lovely shortcuts and near 0 mana. I specifically say "I'm not ready" and 10 seconds later ".....loading...."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm still in cool down mode for recall to town.</DIV> <DIV>Hmm there's only 5 of us.. #6 didn't finish the quest so he didn't get on the boat with us. He actually was inquiring as to what he needed to do (i.e. not his fault). </DIV> <DIV>There we are sailing to our doom.. and there is no way 5 of us will survive this. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>After a few moments I almost accepted that I was going to get more debt. Then my lacking memory did pull something out of the depts of my memory. I bought an odessey stone incase someone needed a trip home and already had used recall recently. Not knowing that I could use it on myself I targeted myself and to my joy I sent myself back home! </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The #6 guy was msging me sorry, which I explained it wasn't him.. and the rest of the party yelling at me attempting to perform some damage with verbal abuse as my father has done countless times which I was a kiddie. I made some little comment to them and added their names to my slowly growing ignore list.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So yay I found a use for the stone!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[harlock_j]

it's also handy when someone in your groop goes AFK and something gets trained to your area, you can odyssey him and then gate yourself

[DivineMage]

<blockquote><hr>xdaishanx wrote:<blockquote><hr>Brinvenoir wrote:<DIV>no way why are you paying for food? why don't you use the summon food and water spell? </DIV><hr></blockquote>Dear GOD I wish people would stop getting into groups with me in the 20's who still use either the cheapest store bought or summoned food - it slows the whole group down immensely Case in point - group of 6 and we all are eating/drinking either the 19cp or 77cp or player made food and drink and our health and mana is litterally at full except for one member - we assume they forgot to turn the food and water on after dying or logging inNope they just chose to eat only the summoned free stuff - we were waiting for them at the end of each battle - we explained it was slowing us down and that person said they weren't going to buy the expensive food or water ever /kick/ooc looking for 22-25 who knows how to actually play the game and isnt a tightwad It truly is hampering your group if you are eating either summoned or the cheap stuff past mid teen levels<hr></blockquote> Sometimes it's not about being a tightwad, rather a lot of folks simply don't know what foods are available, or what they do exactly, descriptions are due to be out soon. Not to mention, most folks don't even know a provisioner, or anyone working that line of crafting, I know I don't and I know quite a few crafters and most are weapon/armorsmiths, alchemists and sages. I planned on making a provisioner after the food descriptions were added, as I'm sick of mining rocks just to get a piece of silver to make a spell people actually want. There will be a good market fo player crafted foods I bet once people actually know what does what, thankfully cause food doesn't drop as loot (like adept and master spells) also food runs out, once a person scribes a spell they don't need you again until they actually need to upgrade a different spell. This is a bit off topic I know, just pointing out it's rather ignorant to shun other people because they might simply not know the benefits of provisioner foods. I know I personally wouldn't want to spend money on something and not be sure of what I'm getting, or even sure of what I'm asking for. of course exp [Removed for Content] are rarely considerate.

[elihup]

<DIV>all i got to say is dont make a cleric mad, you'll be in for a long run.  </DIV> <DIV>Oh, what's that?  You want to steal my kills?  Bye bye sucker.</DIV>

[ResuRehto]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Morai wrote:<BR>Well as a healer and being so, obviously, in demand, and easily irritated by random invites from people that didn't even bother to send me a tell. I love oddysy. I simply accept target the inviter, and start chanting away. And the value is great cause most people disband well before you complete your spell. I guess they don't feel like making the trip back on foot. Ah well.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Great one, gonna try this :smileyvery-happy:

[Charinida]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DivineMagess wrote:<BR><BR><BR>This is a bit off topic I know, just pointing out it's rather ignorant to shun other people because they might simply not know the benefits of provisioner foods. I know I personally wouldn't want to spend money on something and not be sure of what I'm getting, or even sure of what I'm asking for. of course exp [Removed for Content] are rarely considerate.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Usstan agree with dos abbil...  /nods solemnly</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It is not easy to promote or sell a product or item, if the general public/consumers do NOT know the benefits or the properties thereof of the said merchandise.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Reminds me pretty much of SWG, when dealing out with Droids...  :smileyvery-happy:  "Eh?  What does that do?"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Almost all my characters are going towards the Alchemy route, which, as it is, reminds me of EQ1 ...  Will there be a market, and what are the benefits of the different potions and such - what potentcy/duration, cost, requirements and such...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As it is, certain crafting will have repeatable sales (food/drinks for example), while others will be a one time purchase (reminds me of droids...  but in EQ2, sounds like spell/rune/essence upgrades) ...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And to be honest, I didn't really know much of food/drinks either until I was told about it (late teens Sorceress) and then I tended to use Summoned stuff - 'cos being the packrat that I am (curses, all those harvest nodes), I tend not have enough room for two slot items (or more if they tend to be of different qualities).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But before I digress and take this topic waaaay off...  We definitely need to promote knowledge of the different items out there, and how it can benefit the end user.  Weapons and armour is easy.  It's the other stuff that people tend to either overlook, not care as much, are confused on the properties - or enthusiastic in new toys..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Charinida]

<P>/em mutters "Stupid security posting warning from work"</P> <P>Didn't think this message took, thus re-wrote a new reply... </P> <P>*** <P>/flails <P>And I just realized, I edited/deleted the wrong posting...  I give up on posting from work...</P><p>Message Edited by Charinida on <span class=date_text>12-17-2004</span> <span class=time_text>07:24 PM</span>

[Charinida]

<DIV>/mutters about stupid posts</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thought it didn't take my previous post...  Sorry... /need to delete/edit</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Engulf]

<DIV> <DIV>Peggs is a lvl 22 Erudite Inq.  Yes I try not to be an Elitest...but she is...pretty much perfect. lol</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I was in a group of 5 last night at FG.  Everyone was enjoying the party.  We had a Warlock that wanted to join the group to allow him to finish his AQ2.  We as a group thought that another nuker would be helpful.  The problem that I had with him was that imediately upon entering the group, he demanded that I summon him food/water.  DEMANDED?  I calmed down and politely told him that if Peggy was asked nicely, she would summon him some.  He appologized for his tone and I happily summoned him food/water (which I will do for anyone).  He was a lvl 21 Warlock, so I asked him did he not have a lot of crafted food/drink and needed a little more in case he ran out.  To my astonishment, he proclaimed that he would never buy food when he could make a cleric summon it for him.  Now who does he think he is?  MAKE ME?  So I asked the leader (our main tank) how long he would allow this behavior.  After we discussed it a bit, he calmed me down, and we proceeded to go into FG.  Guess what?  He kept yelling about the fact that he never had any power.  I explained that crafted food was better and gave him some creamed coffee (one of those types I keep as backups) and asked him to use it and see the difference.  The group immediately saw a dif in downtime.  So now that he's got better liquid, he starts using that spell that converts health to power.  I'm fine with that...no biggy...right?  The warlock is not getting any agro cause we have a good tank.  Mez is working well.  The only person taking massive amounts of damage is my MT.  Since we are tackling ^^reds^^, I quit any spells but healing and concentrate on my main tank.  Which at times gets down to 50% health b4 I get that next cast of BOV on him (once dropped to 20% and I freaked out).  Can  you imagine my reaction when the warlock starts complaining cause I'm healing the tank (BOV and CH) instead of him since he's converting his health to power?  I was indeed healing him when he dropped to 75% or less, but not while he's at 85-90%.  It wasn't like he ever got below 65%.  I asked him to stop yelling at me and asked the group if they felt as if I was in error.  All but the warlock felt I was doing a good job.  After 2 more fights, the warlock sent me a /tell that if I didn't keep him at >90%, he would stop doing anything and just sit.  He made good on his promise and after 3 additional mobs (I informed the group of what he stated) he was still sitting on the ground.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>To my surprise, I had a stone i my inventory...hmm...what to do?  I asked him if he was gonna participate or continue sitting.  He said that since the group didn't kow how to "play tanks, enchs, or Clerics the right way", he was gonna continue sitting.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Guess what?  He ended up safely back at home, then kicked from the group.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>I'm getting majorly  tired at people telling others what to do.</STRONG>  I don't mind tips and encourage them on how to better control a mob, use less power, etc.  That's why I love these boards.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But I won't be told more than twice...or bye bye baby...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On a side note:</DIV> <DIV>Readinig the notes from the "test" server, the stones will start being limitted to group members only.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV></DIV><p>Message Edited by timothyp777 on <span class=date_text>01-12-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:50 AM</span>

[polysyllabi]

That's what stones are for...That's why I keep a dozen in the inventory.We are inquisitors, bound to engorce the will of the Overlord. The overlord wouldn't put up with that crap, nor does he expect you too either.It's too bad the stones are being nerfed. Although I can clearly see why, I and others will dearly miss weilding minor GM power.

[MacAll]

<DIV>Actually, there's a huge use with the stones that I enjoy using regularly until they fix it.  I've seen no notice on it being illegal, nor been told or warned by any GM's, so as far as I'm concerned it's working by design.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Me and my group are sitting in a specific spot, trying to force a named to pop for a quest.  Another group plows through us and camps the room, sitting on the spawn spot.  Our very polite group leader ask them to not do it as we'd been trying to make him pop for 30 min, and they were extremely rude and offensive.  Me, being significantly less polite step up and say "if you do not leave, I will be forced to exorcise you."  They laughed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The room popped and they had their hands full.  I targeted their healer and cast Odyssey.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Guess what?  You not only don't have to be grouped, but there is no prompt, he just vanished.  Without a healer, the group wiped out, the mobs reset, and we killed the named.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For a game with no PvP, Inquisitors have the only PvP on the block.  I do it regularly to chinese pharming groups who camp a spot, don't share and don't talk.  They're usually 5 wiz and a cleric, I wait until they pull, and off goes the cleric.  I did this to 1 group twice before they figured it out and left.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For 1s each, it's WELL worth the price to be able to kill an entire party at will <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So many people seem to forget, Inquisitor = Evil.</DIV>

[Ayako]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MacAllen wrote:<BR> <DIV> I do it regularly to chinese pharming groups who camp a spot, don't share and don't talk.  They're usually 5 wiz and a cleric, I wait until they pull, and off goes the cleric.  I did this to 1 group twice before they figured it out and left.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For 1s each, it's WELL worth the price to be able to kill an entire party at will <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So many people seem to forget, Inquisitor = Evil.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>There is quite a difference between role playing an evil character and using role playing as an excuse to be a jerk.  Not sure if what you are writing about is true or not, but if you are using it to disrupt other people's game and kill steal, please don't try to use the fact that you are an evil character to justfiy it; that's not what role playing evil is about.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-Ayaka  </DIV>

[MacAll]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ayako wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MacAllen wrote:<BR> <DIV> I do it regularly to chinese pharming groups who camp a spot, don't share and don't talk.  They're usually 5 wiz and a cleric, I wait until they pull, and off goes the cleric.  I did this to 1 group twice before they figured it out and left.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For 1s each, it's WELL worth the price to be able to kill an entire party at will <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So many people seem to forget, Inquisitor = Evil.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>There is quite a difference between role playing an evil character and using role playing as an excuse to be a jerk.  Not sure if what you are writing about is true or not, but if you are using it to disrupt other people's game and kill steal, please don't try to use the fact that you are an evil character to justfiy it; that's not what role playing evil is about.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-Ayaka  </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Until such time as it's posted as a bug (which it is not), or I'm told by Sony that it's not operating as intended (which I have not), I'm using the spell as it is intended, to send people on a trip.  Does it prompt the player going on the trip?  No, so obviously their desire to take the trip is irrelevant.  Until told otherwise, I can only assume it's operating as intended.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When people step up and are rude to me (such as you are being by name-calling), I do not feel compelled to be courteous myself, and this option is available to me.  This is not an "exploit" that I'm using in direct violation of Sony directive, because no such word exists.  I'm posting it here on the off chance that it MIGHT be a problem so Sony can give such a directive.  Until such time, however, your opinion of how the game "should" function is irrelevant...the game functions as it functions.</DIV>

[Ayako]

<DIV>Kill stealing is against the rules, which is basically what you just said you did.  Porting someone to some place they don't want to go might not have a rule against it, but your conscience should tell you that it's not right. What this boils down to is treating other people as you would want to be treated.  Teaching you this wouldn't fall on Sony's shoulder in the form of a bug report, but should have been taught to you by your parents or guardian when you were young.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-Ayaka</DIV>

[Engulf]

<DIV>Since they are gonna stop the spell from working against non-group members in the upcoming patch...It's not gonna matter a bit anyway.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now for my opinion.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>/putsonevilcloak</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The spell is an awesome one.  I just started last week as a part time artisan (provisoner).  I'm out harvesting shrubs and I see a group (we'll call it group 2) running around causing trains on another group (group 1 in a named spawned area).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Normally I would just ignore it...but they kept doing this over and over against group 1 until the spawn appeared (after 30 minutes).  Again...normally, I wouldn't hang around for a half hour watching instead of playing, but these people ticked me off.  I watched them bring 7 trains against group 1.  I sent a tell to the tank requesting that he move on or wait until group 1 got their spawn.  He replied that I should "mind my own business".   lol.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><evil grin></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now I had 4 choices at this point.</DIV> <DIV>1.  I could just leave and go about my harvesting.</DIV> <DIV>2.  I could have watched group 2 steal this named from group 1</DIV> <DIV>3.  I could train group 2's healers (which was my first thought)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Being an Eru. Inq. from Freeport, I did waht had to be done.  I waited until the named spawn appeared.  Then used Odessey on group 2's cleric and watched them die.  I then sent a tell to the tank and told him that if he was in the game to do nothing but kill steal, then maybe he should mind his own business in another game.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now was this wrong?  Maybe.  Did it feel good?  Yeah.  Will he think twice about KS'ng again?  I hope so, since that was my point.  Sometimes lesson's are learned the hard way, because people won't learn otherwise.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Should someone abuse this feature on harvesting rares, or spawned areas?  No.  But should they change the behavior of the stones in the patch?  No.  Are they gonna change it cause people are complaining about a few who misuse this spell? Yes.  Can a SK spell that is abused more still be allowed to "force a bow" and that spell still be okay? Yes (but I think it should be No).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It is nice having this kind of power to weild...but it shouldn't be abused.  I think that once the patch "fixes" this spell to be group only, then the spell will be a waste of a slot.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>/backsinthecornerfortheflames</DIV>

[MacAll]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ayako wrote:<BR> <DIV>Kill stealing is against the rules, which is basically what you just said you did.  Porting someone to some place they don't want to go might not have a rule against it, but your conscience should tell you that it's not right. What this boils down to is treating other people as you would want to be treated.  Teaching you this wouldn't fall on Sony's shoulder in the form of a bug report, but should have been taught to you by your parents or guardian when you were young.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-Ayaka</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Kill stealing is not possible in EQ2, and I'd appreciate you pointing to the "rule" it's against, as there is nothing in the ToS/EULA I click "Accept" on every time I log in.  If you're referring to some nebulous set of "commonly accepted rules", I don't accept them if they're not documented and reviewble, so they're irrelevant.  If you go up against a mob, you fail, and I kill it, I didn't steal it from you.  If you are engaged, I can not unengage or interact with the mob.  In the example stated above, the player intruded into an area we were playing in and moved into a position of "stealing" something we'd been working on for an hour.  Since there are no "rules" against this, and no GM would ever come to help resolve it, it fell into my quite capable hands to deal with it, and I did so with remarkable alacrity and finality.  I warned them what I would do, they scoffed, I exercised the options Sony quite freely gave me without strain upon my conscience or fear of retribution.  Odyssey has been this way since beta, it was /bugged in beta, the game with released with this functionality, Sony was aware of it, ergo Sony inteded to release with it.  If they choose to change it now, that is, as always, their perorgative</P> <P>And this *IS* the way I want to be treated.  If I am be rude, selfish, or inconsiderate, I fully expect to be put in my place because obviously I've lost the ability to be objective about my behaviour, so feel free to step up to the plate.  Consequently, if you and your guild step in "just because you can", with no courtesy whatsoever, expect me to gleefully provide you with a lesson in manners.  You may insultingly bring my parents into the conversation, but I will quite politely keep it just between you and I, and resolve it like an adult, not say "your daddy should have taught you better!"</P>

[Kalad]

<DIV>I keep a couple of Odessy stones on me when my COTO is down....comes in handy.</DIV>

[Engulf]

<DIV>I must agree with MacAllen's interpretation.  I didn't get the impression that he was trying to KS.  I got the impression that someone wea trying to steal the named spawn.  This happens all the time and I for one am very tired of it.  In the CL I waited 4 1/2 hours by the graveyard for the graverobber.  I ws there with two friends when another group came up.  We asked them to join us so that everyone would get credit.  They would not and proceeded to steal my named that I had been waining for.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE and will be dealt with (using Odessey) when it happens.  I still have the quest unfinished.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This spell isn't something new.  EQ1, FFXI, and othes have all allowed a "warp" type of spell to cast people to places...even if they didn't ask/want to go.  Sometimes that was a very dangerous place for the character!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That's the nature of the game...to learn about people.  If someone is abusing Odessey, they will be dealt with by other players.  Sometimes that means that no-one will group with them.  Sometims it means that they can be "followed" and "danced for" constantly.  Either way, they learn.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Not to get on another rant here, but a SK has a spell that makes a person bow before them.   If removes all their buffs too.  It's used to take agro away from the character and allow the SK to assist.  The prob so far is that it is being abused by harvestors.  Find a rare plant?  Make sure you harvest it quick before a SK forces you to bow and they harvest it first.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now that is bad!</DIV>

[MacAll]

<DIV>It's not bow, it's FD, and yes it's annoying.  Inq's have a spell that forces everyone to kneel in submission, but I don't believe it does anything else like disrupt spells or drop buffs, though I'm not positive on that.</DIV>

[jwfischer]

<DIV>I tried to overlord out of Forrest Ruins in the goodie lands, no go...and timer started on overlord so could try it again.</DIV> <DIV>Someone in my guild said the power of the overlord doesnt reach to the good lands.</DIV> <DIV>Odyssey worked. Worth the price to me.</DIV>

[MacAll]

<DIV>That's not true, I Overlord from TS all the time, as well as from Antonica.</DIV>

[Lig]

<DIV>For the food. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE buy some food. If you are a cleric and not using home made food.... shame on you. I know that there are people that don't know and being a provisoner I keep extra drink on me at all times to hand out to those that don't have it. Ussually it is the first thing I ask when I join a group "does everyone have homemade drink?". The food is almost useless unless you solo. I can turn power into health in a jiffy... can't do it the other way around unless we have a wizard summoning shards for me and even then it's just not that effective.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for Odesey.... the funniest thing I have read it being used for was during a harvesting session. It was on these boards that I read it. Apparently a SK ran up to a cleric while they were harvesting a rock and FDed them so they could get the harvest. At that point the cleric followed the SK to the next node and when he started harvesting cast Odesey. I guess the SK didn't move out of range in time and bam.... "have fun walking to TS again jerk" <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> .... now that is great.</DIV>

[Lig]

<DIV>Sorry but I have to write about this one too. You are not porting some unsuspecting player. Look at those names people... as a mtter of fact go and look at the names of all the top kill players on every server.1 cleric and 5 wizzies. They are all the same... Ask yourselves why?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'll tell you why because it is IGE farming to sell on line. Those are all bots and they are all most likely macroed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Good for you. Send them home every [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] time you see them.</DIV>