Templar Rant

[Wastura]

<DIV>Quick rant:</DIV> <DIV>Where do people get off charging up the yazoozoo for our spells? If given the opportunity, I would gladly slap every punk that's ever tried to sell me a spell over their value cost repeatedly till they bled, and then say, "Want a heal? Too bad, I can't afford the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] spell."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Today someone placed a "Mark of the Celestial" on the market. I wouldn't mind mastering that spell, the minor increase would help place me at the level I was before "diminishing return curves" came into place. I currently have the spell at Adept III with 5AA's invested to make the proc trigger 30%.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So what does upgrading to master mean? Well, it should stick just slightly more often to extremely difficult mobs, allowing greater chances for other debuffs, such as spurn, to land.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Furthermore, it upgrades healing ever 2seconds for 8 seconds to increase from 41(AIII) to 47(M1) and debuffs from 840 to 970 respectively against divine damage.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I asked how much this guy wanted for it. He responds, "I would be willing to part with it for 18p" {sic}</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I responded, "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! We're done. The spell is a 6 point heal per 2 seconds increase from the adept III with no increase to proc % chance. I'm so sick and tired of being screwed on spells."</DIV> <DIV><BR>I then logged out and thought, "HEY! I have an idea. Wouldn't it make sense to change loot tables across the board to reflect the ammount of classes per teir have drops in a like ammount? I mean, I like the templar, and I'm a needed part of nearly ever group and raid I've ever been in. Why should I watch 300 coercer hats drop to 1 templar, when there are 300 templars to 1 coercer? Perhaps, if executed, the gross imbalance of the marketplace could stabalize and normalize."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also, some of the highest yeilders on the market have very little to show for their success (I'm looking at Bule, Dufu, etc). We know who the plat farmers and sellers on the server are. It's blunt obvious! I have reported [Removed for Content].com and the gm worker repeatedly as have many members of every guild I've been, talked to, seen in level chat. Why are they still around? Why does SoE refuse to change marketplace imbalance yet continually nerf those of us that strive and work hard for what we have and want. It just seems wrong to pay (as listed at it's cheapest in the past three months) 90p for Holy Redoubt, 72p for Gallentry, 38p for Symbol of Naltron, and my personal favorite though just recently seems to have dropped to 40p, Ice Nova a whopping 120p sold to someone that probably bought the plat from someone that sold me Grand Ameoration.</DIV>

[Boli32]

If a class is popular, then the price gets jacked up :/The last time my salve line (small heal) was on the market it was up for 48p... I've seen my mit buff up for 72p. The only way to feasabily get the masters people keep charging outrageous prices for is to loot a master you don't need and try and trade for it.Although saying that you can be lucky with the market sometime - I got a couple of masters for 8p each and I consider that to be a good deal... even if I had to call in a few favours to borrow some plat to get them.<div></div>

[StevusX]

<P>Imo i agree with the OP.</P> <P>Our masters tend to be vastly overpriced.</P> <P>Templar is hardly the most popular of classes, maybe somewhere in the middle in numbers the play compared to other classes would be my guess so that should not really be the cause of high prices.</P> <P>In my experience i believe it is mainly down to very poor templar master drop rates.</P> <P>I have been regularly running T7 instances for six months - in all that time i have seen masters drop for a variety of classes.</P> <P>i have NEVER had one single templar master drop.....  kinda speaks for it self really.</P> <P>I dont think this applies to just templars though - there are certain classes that seem to drop a lot more than others imo.</P> <P>I would like to see soe post some figures on overall drop rates to prove me wrong though !</P>

[Asp728]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> StevusX wrote:<BR> <P>Imo i agree with the OP.</P> <P>Our masters tend to be vastly overpriced.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>It's not your class.  It's every healer.  The only ones I ever see below 10 plat are Defiler (Don't know why either, it's kind of wierd).  I've seen a fury master heal that i needed once - and it was up to 80plat in bids when i quit watching from disgust.  An Inquisitor friend just bought a master for a stupidly high price.  The best way for a healer to get masters is from guild or farm instances.  Buying is not really an option unless you have loads of plat sitting in your bank.

[Boli32]

<div><blockquote><hr>Asp728 wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> StevusX wrote: <div></div> <p>Imo i agree with the OP.</p> <p>Our masters tend to be vastly overpriced.</p> <hr> </blockquote>It's not your class.  It's every healer.  The only ones I ever see below 10 plat are Defiler (Don't know why either, it's kind of wierd).  I've seen a fury master heal that i needed once - and it was up to 80plat in bids when i quit watching from disgust.  An Inquisitor friend just bought a master for a stupidly high price.  The best way for a healer to get masters is from guild or farm instances.  Buying is not really an option unless you have loads of plat sitting in your bank.<hr></blockquote>I'm of the oppinion now any master I get my hands on if it doesn;t go to a guildi it'll be used for furture 'swaps' than trying to sell it directly - you never know - you might get lucky <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Wastura]

When I was an inquisitor for three months, I was able to obtain through many methods, especially buying, 17 masters, since being back, I've killed Harla Dar for one, a lucky drop in Nek3 for another, guilld given two a single drop in all instances, my brother giving me one, and two (Warring Axiom and Holy Strike) purchased off the broker. I've been a 70 templar now for approximately 5 months. My brother's mystic purchased 12 masters in the span of a month spending 30p total with drops raising him just over 20 total masters. I can't say anything about druids or defilers since I do not watch their prices. Something is definately screwy about certain classes spells. The only chance I've ever had to make any serious cash to purchase such spells was when the necro scout pet dropped, but a guildie in group needed so what do you do? Become greedy for your own spells and upset a guild, possibly to the point of /guildboot or hand it over. Personally, I don't have the cash yet.

[Darth Hoob]

<P>Yeah it's not just us. I've seen ridiculously high prices on high level Master1s. I recently saw our final group reactive <EM>Dire Intercession</EM> going for over 100plat. (I consider the 200dkp I paid for mine a pure bargain). </P> <P>Spells I hardly use (ie <EM>Complacency</EM>) going for prices like 25plat. It's bonkers really.</P> <P>Is transmuting hiking up the price of everything?</P>

[graxnip]

<div><blockquote><hr>Is transmuting hiking up the price of everything?<hr></blockquote>cost of raising transmuting, then people need cash to buy the transmuted product - even lvl 1-10 adepts are way out of reach of the true n00b, most go for 10 gold with the intent to be sold to a transmuter, not a character who actually needs the spell.but on top of that i think it was awful of them to combine the brokers.  before when you would add stuff to your store, you could only check and compare the prices from your town. Only if you were really motivated would you check the black market.as an inquisitor i always sent cash to a qeynos alt to buy my masters from your market cause they were significantly cheaper.. I know for a fact the templar spells i would put on the market always sold since i was in FP and would check the inflated queynosian cost before i listed it.now the markets are combined into 1 big greed fest.masters for me that used to be 2-5 plat are now going for 10-15p</div>

[LowfyrWildforge]

<DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> graxnip wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Is transmuting hiking up the price of everything?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>cost of raising transmuting, then people need cash to buy the transmuted product - <BR>even lvl 1-10 adepts are way out of reach of the true n00b, most go for 10 gold with the intent to be sold to a transmuter, not a character who actually needs the spell.<BR><BR>but on top of that i think it was awful of them to combine the brokers.  before when you would add stuff to your store, you could only check and compare the prices from your town. Only if you were really motivated would you check the black market.<BR><BR>as an inquisitor i always sent cash to a qeynos alt to buy my masters from your market cause they were significantly cheaper.. I know for a fact the templar spells i would put on the market always sold since i was in FP and would check the inflated queynosian cost before i listed it.<BR><BR>now the markets are combined into 1 big greed fest.<BR><BR>masters for me that used to be 2-5 plat are now going for 10-15p<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Well, actually, if level 1 adepts are going for 10 gp universally, all one would have to do is to get an adept he or she couldn't use, and sell it on the broker.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The real problem is the somewhat recent trend of Adept I's dropping instead of master spells in Master Chests.  Thank you, thank you so much, I really needed an Adept I on my Courts Raid... *boggle*</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV>

[Celestian_]

<div><blockquote><hr>Asp728 wrote:<div></div>It's not your class.  It's every healer.  The only ones I ever see below 10 plat are Defiler (Don't know why either, it's kind of wierd). <hr></blockquote>Check out the number of defilers and you'll see why our spells are cheaper. It's lovely. The only master I am missing now is my group ward, I've got all others (including all my debuffs). Mind you I don't think our buffs exist as master ...EQ2Census:level    class    count70    Templar    309970    Inquisitor    164370    Warden    211370    Fury    325270    Mystic    172470    Defiler    1418</div>

[Rocksurly]

<DIV>My bio reads  MASTERED OUT <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Wastura]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Rocksurly wrote:<BR> <DIV>My bio reads  MASTERED OUT <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Well whoopy-doo for you. Con-freaking-gratulations.</P> <P>Here's a thought, contribute something to the discussion. No wonder Templars getting raked, we got some in our own numbers trying to betray us. Out of curiosity though, how much plat exactly did you buy to achieve such, Rock?</P>

[Kendricke]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Wastura wrote:<BR> <BR> <P>No wonder Templars getting raked, we got some in our own numbers trying to betray us. Out of curiosity though, how much plat exactly did you buy to achieve such, Rock?<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>There's no need for that.  Poisonivy comes from one of the older raiding guilds on Guk.  Likely as not, she's picked up most of her masters through DKP. </P> <P> </P> <P><BR> </P>

[Hopefulne]

<DIV>Good thing about patience.  The t6 symbol of naltron was listed by one guy on my server for 60plat.  i bought it for 6pp after a month or so of them slowly marking it down. (Another said he wouldn't sell it for less than 20pp) </DIV> <DIV>But you're right people do yank prices up on masters. Why? Greed.  They know that templar is a MT healer and ANY raiding guild will want those spells mastered and are prepared to pay through thte nose for it.</DIV> <DIV>Dire intercession is a good example-maybe 3 been flying about for 60+plat and they dissappear.  Still grouchy about a guildie who offered it to me then gave to another guild templar. /sniff</DIV>

[Protoso]

I would gladly pay far more than 18pp for mark master 1. For one I never see it on the broker. I have all of my other spells at master except for holy redoubt and mark. Mark is a supremely effective spell at keeping people topped off in raids. It's really all in how you view the spell. Where you see a piddly few extra healing ticks, I see possible crit heals on it along with effects like symmetry adding to its heal value. I see a spell well worth 18pp. It is not hard to make platinum in this game.

[Raistlan]

If I wasn't fully mastered, I'd happily pay 18plat for Mark of the Celestial too - paid 40 for Dire.<div></div>

[SenorPhrog]

It depends heavily on your server market.  I just finally got rid of a glorious intercession M1 for a mere 7pp.  I know people who paid twice that.

[Mabes]

I'd happily pay 18plat for mark as well.  The most riduculous broker price ever is on my server currently.  Holy Redoubt is up, which is the first time I've seen on broker for a real long time, but the guy has it up for 101 plat.  I mean, come on, I'd like to punch him in the face.  It's been up for several days now, wondering when this guy will wisen up.<div></div>

[Kendricke]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mabes wrote:<BR>I'd happily pay 18plat for mark as well.  The most riduculous broker price ever is on my server currently.  Holy Redoubt is up, which is the first time I've seen on broker for a real long time, but the guy has it up for 101 plat.  I mean, come on, I'd like to punch him in the face.  It's been up for several days now, wondering when this guy will wisen up.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I'd wager he's doing this for one of two reasons:</P> <OL> <LI>It's a standard broker tactic designed to bring in offers.  You price the item for far more than you think it has a chance to sell at, and wait for the tells to come in.  </LI> <LI>Hoping a guild will back the purchase.  Holy Redoubt is a relatively difficult and rare master to find.  There's no upgrade for it.  Many raid guilds will pay quite a bit for it, especially if they have large guild banks and relatively few options to spend such coin on.</LI></OL> <P>Remember, just because you feel 101 platinum is a "ridiculous" price doesn't mean there aren't players on your server with 1,000+ platinum who just might decide this is a valid purchase.  If not, then I imagine the price will eventually fall.</P> <P><BR> </P>

[Hakthaf]

<DIV>AB prices for templar masters is just crazy, any heal or buff is never below 40p it seems. And any plate that gives wisdom a templar can wear is always like 30p or higher, i mean our legendary set shoulders have yet to see on market for below 50p yet other classes are 15p and lower. I swear people just love to have us when they are hurt, but god forbid they charge normal prices for healer masters.</DIV>

[RipFlex]

<P>Is why I just AD3 out everything and wait patiently for the Templar Master I drops.  I have never a complaint of my healing being insufficient yet or kicked out of a group/raid because i did not have all Masters.  Fortunately there are alot of really friendly players on Guk that I guess like my Templar (RipEscence Tourniquet) that despite FFA groups and what not an Templar master drops it's practically given to me... same goes for certain item drops.  For that I thank those people, makes my keeping you all alive easier on my conscience and lighter on my coin pouch. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>I'm still awaiting a free Focused Intercession Master I drop... cheapest I see it for is 40 Platinum... <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P>

[Darth Hoob]

<P>Yeah same here. I just made all my spells adept 3, and wait for the drops in groups and raids. I'm not even halfway through them yet, but I'm getting there. The same goes with my armor. I've never found a decent 65+ shoulder as yet. I'm really not sure what I should be concentrating on more though; firebrand drops in the Labs or the new EoF stuff. I picked up the boots in <EM>Obelisk of Blight</EM>. They're white, with some nice stats. </P> <P>We Templars don't get it that bad. It's just a popular class, and their is fierce competition on the brokers for our top stuff.</P>

[Espyderman]

<P>I agree with the OP. THe prices for Masters is ridiculous especially for the low amount of increase you get from adept III to master 1. I offered 1P for some debuff to a seller once and they laughed at me. I laughed back saying i could find it for free one day and the return i get from the spell would be insiginifcant to my abilities. To spend 1p or more on any master when you have adept III version seems sad. Either the prices should go down or masters should be raised up in abilities.</P> <P>As it stands the market is a joke. Farmers have ruined the market place driving prices up and the average player beleives 10p is a fair deal on any fabled. 1 year ago, 5p was alot of money, now 10p is like pocket change we can all spend? Something is wrong cause my cost of living raised in the game with mending and houses, so i dont know how SOE expects a non crafting adventurer to earn serious dough to keep up with the ever rising market prices.</P><p>Message Edited by Espyderman on <span class=date_text>12-30-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:08 AM</span>

[Zolg]

<P>Price gouging is not limited to Templars, try playing a Necro, it's just as bad if not worst.</P> <P>Too bad for me my highest and most played toons are my Necro and Templar  /sigh</P> <P>On a side bar I won a Master in my first Raid -- whee (hope it's not the only one I see)</P> <P> </P> <P>I'm level up my sage, 10 more levels to go, so I can just make all my spells Adept III and be done with it, if I get a Master great, if not forget it.</P>

[Livi]

<DIV>I finally have all my heal masters... I only bought 1 of them and I paid 10 plat for it.  All the others were either dkp, won, or given to me by a guildie.  But I only have 1 master buff (Celestrial Praetorate)  and a debuff (Redoubt) and 2 dmg attacks.  But I really havent seen buffs on the broker.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But I do agree with everyone I just fully Adept III myself out and wait for masters <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Although I do agree I it does [Removed for Content] me off it seems like some classes spells drop a lot more than templars which pisses me off.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Liviee on <span class=date_text>01-04-2007</span> <span class=time_text>11:02 AM</span>

[Toilet humour]

<P>I still need mark master 1 and am having huge problems getting it =( so darn 18p snap it up if you see it again would gladly pay 50P for it easy as its the last one i need =(</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Caethre]

<DIV> <P><FONT color=#ff9900>OOC.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff9900>This subject comes up every month or two from someone, and I told myself I'd ignore it this time, but since it has gone on, with a small number of players continuing to complain about access to Master spells and prices, I decided to post the usual response that such comments really need.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff9900>Masters are meant to be rare. No really, they are. They are not meant to be something every character has. They are certainly absolutely not meant to be something most characters have a full set of. This expectation by a certain subset of the playerbase (of all classes) that they must have easy access to everything "now" and that not having that easy access is somehow "wrong" needs addressing.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff9900>It bears repeating: Masters are meant to be RARE and you are not meant to have insta-access to them, never mind a full set. They are intended to be gathered slowly, with work, over a significant time period.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff9900>And yet, I looked on the broker last night, and I see 7 pages of Templar level 57+ masters for sale, most for under 10p, and many for under 6p. Frankly, far from being too rare, they are FAR TOO COMMON, and this is leading some people to start whining when they do not have a full set "as fast as they feel they deserve". These whines and these feelings are entirely unjustified, in my opinion. Indeed, I bought Focused Intercession (M1) for 5p and Dire Intercession (M1) for just over 9p last night, both of which had multoiple copies for sale, just as a result of looking before posting this response. Considering how rare these spells are meant to be, these prices were not high at all.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff9900>We (any class) do not *need* Master spells. They are nice and worth investing in eventually, but not <U>essential</U>. They help, yes, but content can be completed without them. The very top raidguilds are likely to amass near fullsets and fullsets through their hard work faster than most, down to normal solo/small group players like myself getting them much much more slowly, according to broker access and pricing,</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff9900>Yet, Felishanna and Annaelisa, both without ever attending a single raid in all my time in EQ2, have both about 75% of their Lv57+ master spells, just from the broker. If I can do it, then anyone can, and once again, it suggest they are too common, not too rare.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff9900>Use your Adept IIIs and be happy. You will get the Masters over time if you earn them or earn the coin to pay for them. There is little to no justification for suggesting that Templar masters are significantly rarer than those of other classes. There *might* be the occasional spell that really genuinally almost never drops, but if that is the case, then raise that issue specifically, rather than just complaining about "not having the masters you feel you deserve" as fast as you'd like.</FONT></P></DIV>

[SenorPhrog]

<P>Nice post Caethre and I'll echo that and add my own obnoxiousness to it.</P> <P>If you don't raid, you don't NEED a master spell, much less an entire set, period.  AD3 heals are more than ample to handle any contested/instanced dungeon in the game.  If you do raid, you should be well enough equipped to go do said instances and make some money.  There is no good excuse for complaining about it.  </P> <P>I'll admit there are some M1's that are more rare.  The last Mark of spell I have never actually seen on the broker before and I almost never see any of our buffs either.   While I probably wouldn't pay 18p for that spell in particular, I don't think 15p for a master is an insane amount of money.  If you've been level 70 for 6+ months like most of us, what have you been doing with your money?</P>

[Kizee]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Radar-X wrote:<BR> <P>Nice post Caethre and I'll echo that and add my own obnoxiousness to it.</P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>If you don't raid, you don't NEED a master spell, much less an entire set, period.  AD3 heals are more than ample to handle any contested/instanced dungeon in the game.</FONT>  If you do raid, you should be well enough equipped to go do said instances and make some money.  There is no good excuse for complaining about it.  </P> <P>I'll admit there are some M1's that are more rare.  The last Mark of spell I have never actually seen on the broker before and I almost never see any of our buffs either.   While I probably wouldn't pay 18p for that spell in particular, I don't think 15p for a master is an insane amount of money.  If you've been level 70 for 6+ months like most of us, what have you been doing with your money?</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Incoming "I pay the same money as you so I should be entitled to everything" responce. :smileyvery-happy:

[Moonsoldier]

My only addition to this is I am a MT Templar and only have about 2-3 Masters - and for a long time raided with Adept 1's before the raidleader caught me. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Spell prices will vary from server to server but yah, we get raked across the coals a lot. I just made up for it by making connections with raidguild leaders on my server and if they had a master I could use, trading for one I had that someone in their guild could use. Trading is the name of the game for us, sadly.Won't stop me from listing necro pets at 40p though. Blasted necros. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (yes, I'm kidding.)

[Keku]

I am fortunate enough to be in a really generous guild.  The majority of us never sell masters that anyone in the guild needs so I have been given many of my master spells.  The ones I have bought have usually been at outrageous prices.  I think MoC is a steal at 18p but overall I agree that most masters are overpriced.  I have a friend who auctioned a rare master off (I think it was a fighter one) for 300plat so it really isnt just healers, it's everyone. 

[Eriol]

I scored the final single-target reactive (lvl 67?  Don't remember off the top of my head) for 4PP.  I was just ecstatic when I got it.  Wasn't on the broker, just advertised a guy was selling it.  I thought "there's no way it's in my price range, but I may as well send a tell."  Imagine my shock when he said it was only 4PP.  I didn't let on that I was basically robbing him, but got my main on (the one with the cash), got the spell, thanked the guy courteously, then mentally jumped for joy. My only robbery in this game.  And he basically gave me it.  <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[EQPrime]

I snagged mark when I saw it for 12p one day on the broker.  I hadn't seen it before and I haven't seen it since.  I think my best buy ever was grabbing Grand Amelioration for 5p one afternoon (the only time I've ever seen that one listed too).  All of the T6 masters are pretty hard to find and are generally quite expensive.  I really hope to find/buy Holy Redoubt sometime soon.  I've never seen that one for sale. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[RipFlex]

<cite>Wastura wrote:</cite><blockquote> <blockquote> <hr /> Rocksurly wrote: My bio reads  MASTERED OUT <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <hr /> </blockquote> <p> Well whoopy-doo for you. Con-freaking-gratulations.</p> <p>Here's a thought, contribute something to the discussion. No wonder Templars getting raked, we got some in our own numbers trying to betray us. Out of curiosity though, how much plat exactly did you buy to achieve such, Rock?</p></blockquote> <p>You should look at the Monk forums, we constructively ask for changes and the other 1 or 2 Monks proclaiming to Raid everything like a Plate Tank discreditting everything said about or troubled class as "Not as bad as it seems".  ROTFLMAO</p><p>I only purchase Masters for my Templar if it's under 10 Plat, Otherwise I wait for the drop and keep using my AD3s spells until then.  I'm just lucky I'm a skilled and compentant Templar at healing or I really be in trouble... I can't Hide behind my Master Spells <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[LowfyrWildforge]

<cite>Felishanna@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote> <p><span style="color: #ff9900">OOC.</span></p> <p><span style="color: #ff9900">This subject comes up every month or two from someone, and I told myself I'd ignore it this time, but since it has gone on, with a small number of players continuing to complain about access to Master spells and prices, I decided to post the usual response that such comments really need.</span></p> <p><span style="color: #ff9900">Masters are meant to be rare. No really, they are. They are not meant to be something every character has. They are certainly absolutely not meant to be something most characters have a full set of. This expectation by a certain subset of the playerbase (of all classes) that they must have easy access to everything "now" and that not having that easy access is somehow "wrong" needs addressing.</span></p> <p><span style="color: #ff9900">It bears repeating: Masters are meant to be RARE and you are not meant to have insta-access to them, never mind a full set. They are intended to be gathered slowly, with work, over a significant time period.</span></p> <p><span style="color: #ff9900">And yet, I looked on the broker last night, and I see 7 pages of Templar level 57+ masters for sale, most for under 10p, and many for under 6p. Frankly, far from being too rare, they are FAR TOO COMMON, and this is leading some people to start whining when they do not have a full set "as fast as they feel they deserve". These whines and these feelings are entirely unjustified, in my opinion. Indeed, I bought Focused Intercession (M1) for 5p and Dire Intercession (M1) for just over 9p last night, both of which had multoiple copies for sale, just as a result of looking before posting this response. Considering how rare these spells are meant to be, these prices were not high at all.</span></p> <p><span style="color: #ff9900">We (any class) do not *need* Master spells. They are nice and worth investing in eventually, but not <u>essential</u>. They help, yes, but content can be completed without them. The very top raidguilds are likely to amass near fullsets and fullsets through their hard work faster than most, down to normal solo/small group players like myself getting them much much more slowly, according to broker access and pricing,</span></p> <p><span style="color: #ff9900">Yet, Felishanna and Annaelisa, both without ever attending a single raid in all my time in EQ2, have both about 75% of their Lv57+ master spells, just from the broker. If I can do it, then anyone can, and once again, it suggest they are too common, not too rare.</span></p> <p><span style="color: #ff9900">Use your Adept IIIs and be happy. You will get the Masters over time if you earn them or earn the coin to pay for them. There is little to no justification for suggesting that Templar masters are significantly rarer than those of other classes. There *might* be the occasional spell that really genuinally almost never drops, but if that is the case, then raise that issue specifically, rather than just complaining about "not having the masters you feel you deserve" as fast as you'd like.</span></p><p></blockquote></p><p>Might?  </p><p>I've spent hundreds of plats on masters, but I can't buy them if they don't exist.  I know of ONE Templar on our server with Mark of the Celestial, for instance.   Mark of Reparation, Daring, Symbol of Naltron, the T7 Stoneskin spell, Holy Redoubt.  These spells almost never drop.</p>