Should i betray??

[Fai]

im finding it very diffucult to solo with my Templar (lvl 40)... dont get me wrong - i love instances and healing (after spending two years playing a priest in endgame in wow - ive grown used to it)...  but at times i need to solo (for various reasons) so either i might betray to an inquisitor , who i hear are better at soloing (thoughts) or if there is any advice on soloing a templar.......Hiskia, 40 Templar<div></div>

[Kendricke]

<DIV>What are the problems you're having while attempting to solo?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Fai]

just a general lack of being able to tackle mobs - and it taking an age to kill them - ... its not as if my spells are bad - all at adept 1 minimum, or my armour is bad, lvl 40 stuff....  just thinks its the general lack of dps...  or maybe its me and being used to my conjurer who ive levelled to 40 aswell and the ease at which they can solo..   maybe its just a hard fact , that templars are groups players... period.Hiskia, 40 templar - Lucan D'lere<div></div>

[Kendricke]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> FaiXi wrote:<BR>just a general lack of being able to tackle mobs - and it taking an age to kill them - ... <BR><BR>its not as if my spells are bad - all at adept 1 minimum, or my armour is bad, lvl 40 stuff....  just thinks its the general lack of dps...  or maybe its me and being used to my conjurer who ive levelled to 40 aswell and the ease at which they can solo..   maybe its just a hard fact , that templars are groups players... period.<BR><BR><BR>Hiskia, 40 templar - Lucan D'lere<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Where did you place your achievements?  How many do you have?  </P> <P><BR> </P>

[Fai]

now dont laugh <span>:smileyhappy:</span>i have 6 - 4 spent, 2 freeI started this templar when Eq2 first came out - Nov 04 - played to 24 then stopped (sinned into wow), now came back and continued it...  bought the expansion pack that gives the achivement points - then got side tracked with my conjurer - hence why she doesnt have that many...  admitidly i can get more - explorer new areas, etc....  then 4 i have spent are on the priest? tree and they went into Wisdom bonus...the 2 free i have i was tempted to put into str...so her 6 isnt that many, a harsh comparison to my conjruers 26...  who benefited more from having the expansions from level 1.<div></div>

[Kendricke]

<P>If you're optimizing for damage as opposed to healing (and don't worry, if you're not raiding or hitting hard group dungeons frequently, your healing will be just fine for 95% of the situations you're likely to encounter), then here's the build I recommended:</P> <P><STRONG><FONT color=#ff6600>Cleric:</FONT></STRONG></P> <UL> <LI>Yaulp 1 <LI>(STA) Deacon's Stamina 4 <LI>(STA) Hammer Smite 4 <LI>(STA) Severe Judgement 8 <LI>(AGI) Protector's Agility 4 <LI>(AGI) Wonderous Buckling 4 <LI>(AGI) Battle Fervor 8 <LI>(INT) Arbiter's Intelligence 4 <LI>(INT) Divine Castigation 4 <LI>(INT) Pact of the Faithful 4 <LI>(INT) Facile Grace 5</LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#ff6600><STRONG>Templar:</STRONG></FONT></P> <UL> <LI>(Compliances) Rebuke 5 <LI>(Smites) Smite 5 <LI>(Smites) Strike 5 <LI>(Smites) Combative Faith 5 <LI>(Smites) Beams of Faith 5 <LI>(Smites) Unswerving Hammer 3 <LI>(Smites) Smite Wrath 1 <LI>(Blessings) Mark of Pawns 3 <LI>(Blessings) Amending Fate 3 <LI>(Blessings) Vigilant Benediction 2 (6pts) <LI>(Blessings) Glory of Combat 3 (6pts) <LI>(Blessings) Involuntary Healer 2 <LI>(Blessings) Blessings 1</LI></UL> <DIV>It's a good solid combination of melee and spell casting prowess.  <DIV>Personally, I'd spend the points in the order I listed out above to get the better benefits sooner, but it's really up to you how you put them where you want.  </DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now, you won't gain healing criticals with this build, and you're only getting a partial increase to overall casting speed, but it's still a solid all-around build, even for grouping and general healing.  Just understand that obviously your playstyle changes between soloing and grouping (at least, I'd think it's obvious...but if you don't mention that disclaimer around here, folks seem to think you're talking crazy *smiles*).  Besides, you'll still get a maximized boost to your Benediction and Glory of Combat (both passive heals that help a great deal - you'll get them starting in 5-7 levels), and you're still getting most of the casting speed bonus.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What this build will give you damage wise is a 100% melee critical rate, a 60% melee bonus to DPS, a 20% chance at melee double attacks, a 20% self haste, ~10% faster cast speed overall, a ~14% increase to spell critical rate, dramatically increased mitigation debuffing, increased gear trigger rate (for your groupmates, too), increased cast and recast speed for most of your damage spells, and eventually a 25% increase to base spell damage.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you do start raiding some day, look into switching the achievements (presumably you'll have more knowledge of the class by then), but for now, this build should serve you well, even if you only have a handful of points to start throwing at it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now, if you wanted to post a link to your player profile, we could probably see what gear you might want to shift around...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Fai]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/characters/character_profile.vm?characterId=144021109&locale=en" target="_blank">http://eq2players.station.sony.com/characters/character_profile.vm?characterId=144021109</a>Thanks for that, equipment listed above.... aiming to get ebon stuff at 42... oh and i have a serious 2 handed hammer in backpack...<p>Message Edited by FaiXi on <span class="date_text">12-06-2006</span> <span class="time_text">05:45 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by FaiXi on <span class="date_text">12-06-2006</span> <span class="time_text">05:46 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by FaiXi on <span class=date_text>12-06-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:52 AM</span>

[Kendricke]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> FaiXi wrote:<BR> <A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/characters/character_profile.vm?characterId=144021109" target=_blank>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/characters/character_profile.vm?characterId=144021109</A><BR><BR><BR>Thanks for that, equipment listed above.... aiming to get ebon stuff at 42... oh and i have a serious 2 handed hammer in backpack... <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Sounds like you're doing just fine on equipment overall.  Head over to Steamfont then and work on the gnomish quests there.  </P> <P>To be clear, you're never going to solo like your conjuror.  However, a little tweaking to your playstyle and achievements, and there's no reason soloing as a Templar need be "painful".</P> <P><BR> </P>

[SenorPhrog]

I've got a good friend of mine who is an Inquisitor.  While you can solo with a Templar, you will probably find it a lot easier to solo as an Inquisitor.   Not knocking Kendricke's advice, because you can spec yourself out to solo as a Templar if you are ok with just melee, but if you are looking to do cast damage you might want to seriously consider it.

[Fai]

if i was going to Switch i wouldnt do it untill i get close to getting the 2 upgraded heal spells... as the ones i have now are both at master level and i dont want to lose them until i have something to replace them

[Kendricke]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Radar-X wrote:<BR> ...because you can spec yourself out to solo as a Templar if you are ok with just melee, but if you are looking to do cast damage you might want to seriously consider it.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>It's not just melee.  Only about 30-40% of my overall DPS comes from "just melee".  This isn't to say that an Inquistor can't do quite well or even better from a damage perspective, but the idea that Templars are automatically inferior based on some paradigm that we're limited to just melee is inaccurate.  Obviously, opinions will vary.</P> <P> </P> <P><BR> </P><p>Message Edited by Kendricke on <span class=date_text>12-06-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:15 AM</span>

[SenorPhrog]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kendricke wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Radar-X wrote:<BR> ...because you can spec yourself out to solo as a Templar if you are ok with just melee, but if you are looking to do cast damage you might want to seriously consider it.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>It's not just melee.  Only about 30-40% of my overall DPS comes from "just melee".  This isn't to say that an Inquistor can't do quite well or even better from a damage perspective, but the idea that Templars are automatically inferior based on some paradigm that we're limited to just melee is inaccurate.  Obviously, opinions will vary.</P> <P> </P> <P>Message Edited by Kendricke on <SPAN class=date_text>12-06-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>06:15 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Inquisitors have 4 more damage spells than we do, so I think it'd be a logical conclusion a much larger percentage of their damage comes from spell damage and not melee.   You've frequently advocated the use of melee AA's in the past, and while I do understand the new AA's could possibly shift that a bit, I'd need to see some parses.  I've full loaded the int line, grabbed up the new smite and strike AA's and still see your choice of melee weapon as a major determining factor.<p>Message Edited by Radar-X on <span class=date_text>12-06-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:43 AM</span>

[Maryk]

<P>I recently switched from an Inquisitor to a Templar....level 55 now.  </P> <P>I just finished the 3rd god quest.  In that quest...which is a solo zone...I had to take on blues and a white by myself.  Now that may not be a big deal to some...it was to me...even as an Inquisitor.  Typically I wouldn't tackle something like that as an Inq.</P> <P>But as a Templar I did just fine...2 blues at a time...followed by a solo white.</P> <P>I'm somewhat tempted to try an orange by myself...but kinda chicken still.  I think I want to respec first.</P> <P>  </P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Israphil]

The difference you'll find between templars and inquisitors is relatively minimal at your level, but once the EoF AAs come into play you will see a dramatic difference. The Inquisitor Battle Cleric endline ability (granting +42 crushing skill, which is a biggie), coupled with their AAs to turn spells into Combat Arts, gives inqs a MUCH easier and faster time soloing than templars. It's not so much that our dps is better (because the abilities, even with 100% crit rate, do about the same damage parsed out over time as spells will do), but with our spells as combat arts, they are nearly instant cast, but most importantly are uninterruptable, unresistable, and rarely miss. Not to mention that the ae scales up to doing up to 1200 damage at rank 5, which is awesome for multiple mob agro control as well as being a nice chunk of dps when coupled with heretics demise- can pop off aoe for 1200 to everything, then spam CAs and burn down the next mob after dropping heretics demise on em and hit the remaining survivors for another 1300ish. One mob dead almost instantly, with the rest of them having taken 2.5-3k aoe is a good way to start a multi-mob encounter. With that said, all of this won't likely be an option for you until you're lvl 70 or close to it, so I wouldn't switch with the expectation of having a dramatic improvement just yet in your soloing ability; you will, however, certainly grow into it. <div></div>

[graxnip]

just know that if you betray at lvl 40, you are not getting all of the inqs spells - so soloing will not be all that different atm. much the same i would imagine.like Israphil said above - ya gotta grow into the class. a lvl 70 inquisitor with a bunch of melee AA is quite a blast to play. however that boost in dps that we have now came at a price that many raiding inquisitors are ticked off at. none of our eof aa lines effect normal healing. we are limited to enhancing debuffs, battle (spells to ca's - matched with 100%melee crit and wooo fun), and punishments (reverse dmg shields. etc. ) and emergency heal spells. I went solid battle cleric and love every second of it. I also am not a raider.Grass is always greener type thing. at lvl 40 expect to have the demise line as well as 3 dots and 1 minor dd. however at that stage a large part of your dmg will come from reverse dmg shields, we have 1 that fires when you get hit by autoattack, and another that triggers when you get smacked by a CA.at 50 we get the stifle/haste - zealotryat 56 we get our mana proc - inquestsomewhere in between we get heresy - (cast on opponent - any beneficial spell they cast the get knockback + dmg, now grp wide - great on priests and sks)<div></div>

[Wastura]

<P>There's a discussion similar to this called Templar vs. Inquisitor under the Templar forums as well so I'm not going to beat a dead horse about it.</P> <P>I would say that clerics can solo rather well, however if the issue is that the mobs just don't ever seem to die, then you need to be looking at a different class. You can buff your dps, sure, but for the most part, expect to be the lowest dps producing class.</P> <P>As an inquisitor, you will be appreciated in groups nearly the same as any other templar or healer in general. In raids you will probably loose your spot to a templar a lot, in bigger guilds at least.</P> <P>As an inquisitor, you have a much greater potential to reach massive ammounts of dps more than the templar. Yes, you can spec a templar to dps, but a similarly spec'ed inquisitor will out-dps you.</P> <P>If you're going to make a decision, please, I beg you not to wait till level 70. At this point you will have found things you really don't want to give up about your class, and chances are you will have invested in class specific items that will be forfeit upon betraying. I would say 50 is probably a good level, this is when your spells don't come free anymore and you've had a chance to get a good feel for the class.</P> <P>Kendricke has a good list on what you can do as far as upping this dps, and rckmer says it rather well that the difference is mostly in the style. Because they debuff different and are capable of buffing, especially with EOF AA, themselves, they solo much easier. Convict, DoT, DoT, Yaulp, Fanaticism, Swing a strong 2h'er, mob dead pretty quick.</P> <P>In summary, graxnip said the grass is always greener on the other side. I've been both Inq and Temp at 70 for a season of raiding, and they both have benefits and shortcomings. I chose to stay templar because I wanted to be the most effective healer I can be, and I honestly felt homesick after betraying from my 1-70 class, but I do miss the buffs, debuffs, verdict, fanaticism and solo capabilities.</P>

[Israphil]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Wastura wrote:<div></div> <p>There's a discussion similar to this called Templar vs. Inquisitor under the Templar forums as well so I'm not going to beat a dead horse about it.</p> <p>I would say that clerics can solo rather well, however if the issue is that the mobs just don't ever seem to die, then you need to be looking at a different class. You can buff your dps, sure, but for the most part, expect to be the lowest dps producing class.</p> <p>As an inquisitor, you will be appreciated in groups nearly the same as any other templar or healer in general. In raids you will probably loose your spot to a templar a lot, in bigger guilds at least.</p><p><font color="#ff0000">I'm in a top 2-3 guild on my server, and I've <u>never</u> lost a spot in raid to a templar. Though more than one has lost a spot in raid for me <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></font></p> <p>As an inquisitor, you have a much greater potential to reach massive ammounts of dps more than the templar. Yes, you can spec a templar to dps, but a similarly spec'ed inquisitor will out-dps you.</p> <p>If you're going to make a decision, please, I beg you not to wait till level 70. At this point you will have found things you really don't want to give up about your class, and chances are you will have invested in class specific items that will be forfeit upon betraying. I would say 50 is probably a good level, this is when your spells don't come free anymore and you've had a chance to get a good feel for the class.</p> <p>Kendricke has a good list on what you can do as far as upping this dps, and rckmer says it rather well that the difference is mostly in the style. Because they debuff different and are capable of buffing, especially with EOF AA, themselves, they solo much easier. Convict, DoT, DoT, Yaulp, Fanaticism, Swing a strong 2h'er, mob dead pretty quick.</p> <p>In summary, graxnip said the grass is always greener on the other side. I've been both Inq and Temp at 70 for a season of raiding, and they both have benefits and shortcomings. I chose to stay templar because I wanted to be the most effective healer I can be, and I honestly felt homesick after betraying from my 1-70 class, but I do miss the buffs, debuffs, verdict, fanaticism and solo capabilities.</p><hr></blockquote>Just had to toss my 2cp in above ^^</div><p>Message Edited by rckmer on <span class=date_text>12-10-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:58 AM</span>

[Wastura]

<P>Bleh, why are you on our forums anyway temp hater!</P> <P>JK, yeah, 5R's top for sure and let's face it, you're not a bigger guild though. You're a balance guild where very few bench. Not going to say any names on our server, we know who they are and this isn't going to be a flame thread, but there are definately some zerg sized ones where a healer balance gets out of whack.</P> <P>We prefer a balance raid where one inqui can be better for raid success due to their particular role in a raid situation as opposed to say a templar. Let's just say I've lost my fair share of fights at 2% or less, even 5% or less can be made up by the role of the inquisitor healer.</P> <P>But just to clarify, how often does your raid force include more than 1 inquisitor? And how often does it have more than one templar?</P>

[Israphil]

<div><blockquote><hr>Wastura wrote:<div></div> <p>Bleh, why are you on our forums anyway temp hater!</p> <p>JK, yeah, 5R's top for sure and let's face it, you're not a bigger guild though. You're a balance guild where very few bench. Not going to say any names on our server, we know who they are and this isn't going to be a flame thread, but there are definately some zerg sized ones where a healer balance gets out of whack.</p> <p>We prefer a balance raid where one inqui can be better for raid success due to their particular role in a raid situation as opposed to say a templar. Let's just say I've lost my fair share of fights at 2% or less, even 5% or less can be made up by the role of the inquisitor healer.</p> <p><font color="#ff0000">But just to clarify, how often does your raid force include more than 1 inquisitor? And how often does it have more than one templar?</font></p><hr></blockquote>I'm the only inquisitor in the guild, and our templars are some of our highest attendance characters. I haven't seen a raid lately without at least 3 of em on the raid. But dammit, you weren't supposed to ask that question!!! I was trying to make inquisitors sound desireable!</div>

[Wastura]

And now that I've made my point, it's only fair to say that when I was an inquisitor, I was with a guild leader that was inquisitor and a guild officer that was inquisitor and often we had three inquisitors on raids with only one templar. This was more or less using the experience raid force and we did quite nice, especially in places such as MoA4 etc where group elemental was critical (at the time) where 3 templars and one inqui might have had three dead groups and one dps group running for their lives.