Healer Parses

[Waking]

<div></div><a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=19&message.id=15363&jump=true#M15363" target="_blank">The Mystic Heal Parse Request</a>I asked the Shaman if it were possible to make a status indicator for wards, given that they now show up in parses and it could be very useful for a variety of activities, namely raids in my case.Wasnt received well, maybe im misunderstanding the class in general, but they havent given any real reason for it not to be useful, and I can imagine lots of reasons to use such a tool.What im thinking of is something along the lines of <b>React Status</b> but for wards. It would probably have to be less linear, and not count ticks of a reaction but actual points of damage absorbed and parsed.Since I'm inept at programming, just bringing the idea up in the hopes someone runs with it.As an aside, does anyone know why our heal range can be larger than the range we parse? IE, Some reactions will not tick on the react status because your target is too far away and its not being logged, but he's definitely being healed. Does anyone know exactly what the range of the client parse is? (Will it parse combat 20, 30, 40 meters away? Is there an exact number?)Thanks for your time. Huah Templars.<div></div><p>Message Edited by hallohesh on <span class=date_text>09-22-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:21 AM</span>

[DeadGopher]

<DIV>I would love to see React Status parse Wards along with Reactives.  I would like to know when my Reactive charges are going to waste because a Ward is absorbing all the damage.  I think this would be extremely useful for group and raid healing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Adamos</DIV>

[Quijonsith]

Every templar's single target reactive and group reactive have the same number of respective procs.  Thus reactive status tool can follow along per tick since different levels of the spells heal differnt amounts per tick.  Wards on the other hand are not per-hit based, but damage based.  If a shaman casts a ward the log doesn't say how much it will ward for.  One ward could be 1800 while another's could be 1600 (purely example numbers).  A ward status tool wouldn't be able to count down how much is left in the ward of someone unless it knows how much their ward protects against.  I could see a personal version being useful to see how  much is left in your wards without mousing over them if you were to program it for your ward amounts, but that wouldn't have the same usefulness of react status with clerics.<div></div>

[Quijonsith]

<div><blockquote><hr>ADAM0S wrote:<div></div> <div>I would love to see React Status parse Wards along with Reactives.  I would like to know when my Reactive charges are going to waste because a Ward is absorbing all the damage.  I think this would be extremely useful for group and raid healing.</div> <div> </div> <div>Adamos</div><hr></blockquote>Reactive procs are only waisted during wards if the tank is at full health.  If he's not at full health a ward prevents further damage while the reactives bring him back to full as he's hit.</div>

[DeadGopher]

<DIV> <DIV>I understand that a Ward Status tool would only be able to show if a single or group Ward is up on a target and how long the Ward has until it expires.  It would not be able to show how much healing potential remains.  That's fine.  Just being able to see whether a Ward is up or not, and the rhythm of it going up and down would help us time our Reactives more efficiently.</DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also, I understand the advantage of Reactives proc'ing in the case that hit is warded but the tank is not at full health.  That is a good thing.  However, when my Reactive is losing charges and the main tank is staying at full health, I would like to know if my Reactive is healing or not.  Something as simple as changing the color of the blanks in the React Status tool to black instead of white to show when that charge fired for zero would be cool.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Adamos</DIV><p>Message Edited by ADAM0S on <span class=date_text>09-22-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:49 PM</span>

[Quijonsith]

<div></div>I always keep my reactives up, constantly, during raids.  I'd personally get over burdened trying to "time" my reactives based on wards.  If the ward only has 100 points left in it and my reactive's not up because I know the ward is, and a 1k hit comes it, that's 900 damage (less mitigation) to the tank.  If I had my single target and group reactives up in the same situation, both would proc on that hit effectively acting like more warding if the damage is still more than the total of the two reactives.  Seeing the timer of the ward would not help me at all.  Just like our reactives can be eatin up by procs before the timer runs out, so can wards.  Seeing the timer of a ward would be as unuseful to me as seeing the timer on my reactives.  Seeing that the ward is up at all wouldn't help me because if I wait till after the ward is down to cast my reactives (which take long enough to cast as it is) the tank could die.  Healing on raids for me is about anticipation and proactive casting.  I don't care if my reactive is actually healing because of a ward with tank at full health, I still have the protection in place.  I'm always on the top of the healing parses in our raids, maybe this is why.But that's just my PoV.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Quijonsith on <span class=date_text>09-22-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:54 AM</span>

[DeadGopher]

<P>I understand your point of view, and your strategy of keeping Reactives up all the time is a good strategy on most raid fights.</P> <P>However, in hard fights, keeping Reactives up all the time will run you out of power before the fight is over and most of your Reactive charges will have been wasted because Wards were doing most of the work.  Also, if your Defiler/Mystic concentrates on keeping Wards up, they will always out parse a Templar.  If they are concentrating on debuffs while leaving the majority of the healing to you, that's good, but if they can't out parse you, then they need some training.</P> <P>To me, keeping Reactives up all the time is a waste of my time if the MT is already warded and not taking more damage than the wards can handle.  This is often the case for me because we have a Mystic and Defiler who coordinate Wards very well.  If the MT is staying at full health without reactives, then it is a better use of my time to be curing trauma, casting debuffs, helping heal other groups, rezzing folks, or just conserving my power.</P> <P>You said, "Healing on raids for me is about anticipation and proactive casting."  I agree completely, and the more information we have, the better we can anticipate the need for our Reactives.  Knowing if a Ward is up, seeing when it drops off or if it is about to time-out, and if it is absorbing 100% of the damage is all useful information to me and would not overburden me at all.</P> <P>Adamos</P>

[Quijonsith]

First of all, it's the harder fights where reactives should be maintained even more.  The wards will be burned through sooner.  Second, just because someone is a shaman does not mean they are the end all be all healer on top of the parse.  I could see not using reactives as much on easier fights because they wouldn't be needed, but on tough fights they are.    As far as running out of power, this is not an issue for me even when keeping reactives up.  I have plenty of flowing thought and we almost always have a conjuror and/or necro in the raid aswell as a dirge in the MT group if possible, and i use my mana stone from start to finish of the fights every time it's up.  I only have about 5000-5500 mana in the MT group compared to say, a druid or shaman in the same goup with 1k more than myself.  I always wind up having as much percentage of my mana left as either of them.  If you're running low on power because you keep reactives up, you need some better gear and training.As far as better use of your time not casting reactives, I do cure trauma (and anything else needs curing), cast all of my debuffs, and help heal other groups whlie maintaining reactives.  If i'm told to rez someone I will, but generally a healer from another group, a dirge, a necro, or a paladin take care of all the rezing.  MT healers on our raids stay focused on the MT.  If cure trauma is a big deal we always designate a non MT group healer to spam cure trauma on the MT.My main point though, on topic, is that knowing a ward is up should not keep you from using your reactives.  You can't tell how much is left in the ward, and as long as it takes our spells to cast if the ward is suddenly used up it's last protection and reactives aren't in place in can potentially be disastrous on a tough fight.  But, i'm not here to tell you how to heal.  That's your determination.  Our raid leaders trust all of the members to know how to play their classes, rather than being dictators about it.  I am not opposed to some kind of ward indication added to react status.  I just don't see it as useful for how I raid, and would even find it slightly detrimental.  You on the other hand would find it useful.  To each his own.<div></div>

[DeadGopher]

<P>You say "To each his own" but the rest of your statements are to tell me that I'm wrong for wanting to see information that you think is unnecessary.</P> <P>I wasn't trying to start an argument, only to make you understand why I feel the info would be useful.  But my point of view seems to challenge your core beliefs about healing for some reason.  I'm sorry that my raid experiences differ from yours.  I guess that makes me wrong.</P> <P>I'm not replying to this thread anymore, so go ahead and post your parting shot at me.  You won't quit until you have the last word anyway.</P> <P>Adamos</P>

[Quijonsith]

<div></div>I'm sorry if my posts seemed like attacks.  It wasn't meant that way.  Yes our raiding experiences differ as do our methods of healing.  That doesn't make you wrong, nor does it make me wrong.  I'm just a person who likes to debate.  You make a counter point to my position and I counter point the counterpoint.  No need to take it personally as it wasn't meant to offend.  The only reason I posted at all in the first place was to point out to the OP why shamans might not find a ward status tool very useful.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Quijonsith on <span class=date_text>09-22-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:08 PM</span>

[DeadGopher]

<DIV>Thanks for the post.  You're right, I took it too personally, but I really would like the added ward info because in my raids, it would be helpful.  I saw your posts as dismissing its usefullness.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Adamos</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>(I was going to send this in a private message to not go back on my statement not to post here, but then thought that was more silly than my statement.  *sigh*  I'll shut up now.)</DIV>

[Quijonsith]

<div><blockquote><hr>ADAM0S wrote:<div>(I was going to send this in a private message to not go back on my statement not to post here, but then thought that was more silly than my statement.  *sigh*  I'll shut up now.)</div><hr></blockquote>ROFL.  I guess I was rather dismissing it's usefullness, but that's because to me it wouldn't be.  That's only my opinion though, regardless of how much I justify or explain myself.</div>

[Judist]

<P>Hey, defiler here.</P> <P>There are some UI's that show my ward points under the icon letting me know (without mousing over) the remaining points. Personally I've always wanted to someone to make a healer UI that displays all information in detail on the selected target when it comes to wards, reactives and HoTs.</P> <P>I would also like to see a UI that can easilly clarify what debuffs have landed on the MT for those who are not in the MT group, letting all raid healers take a shot at cures.</P> <P>I'm sure every healer has some good ideas for a healer-only UI system for showing these kind of things.</P>

[Sokolov]

There is already a ward indicator.  You can see it under the target's active buff/debuffs.<div></div>

[Judist]

<P>Yea, but I'm talking about a UI that cleans it all up. A UI made just for healers displaying (jn detail) the wards/reactives/dots data without mousing over each one. </P> <P>Honestly I dont need to know about the MT's other 20+ buffs in the middle of a fight (with the exception of "Bolster" time remaining). I'd rather know (with a quick glance) if he has enuf heals on him so I can...</P> <P>a)res this guy<BR>b)heal that other guy <BR>c)get in some serious debuffs <BR>d)go grab a soda<BR>e)watch an episode of family guy</P> <P>You get the point. Fact is alot of power and time is lost because healers overwrite eachother, refreshing wards/reactives when unnecessary when they could be bringing damage/debuffs to the table.</P> <P>After all the mob debuffs are in, me and the MT templar can easilly keep our tank up by ourselves on 90% of the epic named out there. With a nice UI the other 3-5 healers could see when we reach this point and be much more effective doing other things.</P>