The Templar forums are just not the same place anymore...

[Taschen77]

It's too quiet and ultimately too boring around here. I miss the days of the heated debates, discussions and watching posts as they spiraled out of control before being locked / removed. Ah those were the days! Where are the oldschool discussions like these by Catherae, Kendricke, Elrohn, Reznor, Descartin, Karia, Laria, Valaria (say those three ten times fast!) and all the other Templars who were part of these days??! These boards are soo not cool without them <span>:smileysad:</span> <div></div>

[Valin]

<P>There is really not that much more to debate.</P> <P> </P> <P>Templars are what they are.  Love it or hate it, we have been tweaked about much as we are going to be.</P> <P>Soloing has been improved greatly if specced properly.</P> <P>We still rock in small to full groups.</P> <P>We are still needed and useful on raids.</P> <P><BR>No fights remain and Templars that choose to remain as such are happy.  Those that were not have long since left.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Raistlan]

<div></div>Most of us are still around (Lairia has left the game <span>:smileysad:</span>), but as was said, there's just not much reason anymore for the debates of old.  I don't really miss them either, although they were interesting, and fun, I had a hell of a time suppressing the urge to stab some of the other people involved.Edit - And thank you, I'm honored that you feel that way.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Raistlan on <span class=date_text>09-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:24 PM</span>

[-Valari]

Im still around too... although have been busy n all.... that matron took up alot of time... glad to have killed her....now what is there to debate???  Over who is the hotter Double Mint Twin? Karia and I???   well just from my perspective.. im way hotter lolOr is it how elrohn smells? 

[Raistlan]

I'm definately hotter.<div></div>

[Livi]

<DIV><FONT color=#ffcccc>Half Elves have the best of both worlds! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT></DIV>

[CoLD MeTaL]

While certainly not the equivalent of Pre-Live Nerf 13, my Templar is ok.With the increase to green and blue experience I can finally feel progression again.It is still better to have 2 healers in groups, but more people accept that, even encourage it.Fizzles and Interrupts are still the worst of any of the 7 classes I play, unreasonably so imo.And I no longer have time to debate any of the issues, or even keep up on the forums.Thanks to all for the pointers, some have made a huge difference as much as it required me to 'change' my thinking of what a Templar is and what a Templar 'should' be.

[Quijonsith]

<div><blockquote><hr>CoLD MeTaL wrote:While certainly not the equivalent of Pre-Live Nerf 13, my Templar is ok.<font color="#ffff00">Everyone has their own opinion on this one.  I like my templar better now than then, but to each his/her own.</font>With the increase to green and blue experience I can finally feel progression again.<font color="#ffff00">Agreed this was a plus.</font>It is still better to have 2 healers in groups, but more people accept that, even encourage it.<font color="#ffff00"></font><font color="#ffff00">Nonsense.  Normal every day grouping I've never had a problem solo healing in my DPS gear while doing 600 DPS.  I've even solo healed HoF, admittedly having to get out my healing gear.  A second healer is a spot that could otherwise be used for a true DPS class unless you're in a zone that will specifically need two healers such as possibly Nek 3 and Nizara (haven't been to Nizara yet, hear it's tough).</font>Fizzles and Interrupts are still the worst of any of the 7 classes I play, unreasonably so imo.<font color="#ffff00">Increasing one's ministration helps with fizzles, but even with that being the case I still agree with you on this one.</font>And I no longer have time to debate any of the issues, or even keep up on the forums.Thanks to all for the pointers, some have made a huge difference as much as it required me to 'change' my thinking of what a Templar is and what a Templar 'should' be.<hr></blockquote></div>

[CoLD MeTaL]

<blockquote><hr>Quijonsith wrote:Nonsense.  Normal every day grouping I've never had a problem solo healing in my DPS gear while doing 600 DPS.  I've even solo healed HoF, admittedly having to get out my healing gear.  A second healer is a spot that could otherwise be used for a true DPS class unless you're in a zone that will specifically need two healers such as possibly Nek 3 and Nizara (haven't been to Nizara yet, hear it's tough).<hr></blockquote>I am 61 in SoS, and in PUGs almost exclusively, when I am not solo, no one I can remember in these PUGs is in raid gear OR completely mastered/fabled out. (First is that the difference?)I generally heal my butt off to keep the group standing and if lucky get 7dps (not 70 or 700)An add in SoS can 3 shot me in full cobalt or better, xegonite is on order for next level.At nearly all adept 3 or better, and down the STA line with my AA, I can nearly get 100DPS solo.1 big difference I notice about PUGs and say guild groups is HOs, PUGs (my experience) don't really work HOs.So maybe I don't know how to play my templar, or maybe its the groups that I am in, or gear, but I don't think I am an exception because I see a lot people wanting a 2nd healer. in SoS nearly everything is yellow to orange right now, I haven't made it to 70 yet. Your gear is certainly much, much better than mine.

[Nari]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Quijonsith wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><FONT color=#ffff00>Everyone has their own opinion on this one.  I like my templar better now than then, but to each his/her own.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Exactly, that's why I am still waiting for my templar to be improved because I am not too fond of mine.

[CoLD MeTaL]

<blockquote><hr>3devious wrote:Exactly, that's why I am still waiting for my templar to be improved because I am not too fond of mine.<hr></blockquote>There has been positive movement though, wouldn't you agree?Although with the furor having fallen down I doubt there will be much more progress.Like Gasoline (in America, and yes u europeans have it worse probably 3 euros per liter, of course the nearest restaurant to my house is 8 miles, not downstairs, same for the grocery store lol) going to $3.50/gallon (ugh), now it is $2.40 and people are 'happy', even though it started at closer to $1.00. If you make it so painful for so long, 'any relief' is then 'relief'. That is where I see the current state of the Templar, livable but just barely so.I have no idea how he can do 600dps, when the blackscale maxes at 500points every 8 seconds, even chain casting, my mondo adept 3 500hp strike with HOs and he somehow finds the time to heal in there. Maybe life begins at 70 eh?Then again there is an Inquisitor with a 2M hp hit, perhaps HOs are the key to his success.

[Kizee]

<P>Probally because everybody has the feeling of whipped dogs.... they just gave up.</P> <P>All the forms in general are very slow. Gives you some indication of where the game is going. <hears a flushing sound off in the distance></P> <P> </P> <P><BR> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Quijonsith wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> CoLD MeTaL wrote:<BR>While certainly not the equivalent of Pre-Live Nerf 13, my Templar is ok.<BR><FONT color=#ffff00>Everyone has their own opinion on this one.  I like my templar better now than then, but to each his/her own.</FONT><BR>With the increase to green and blue experience I can finally feel progression again.<BR><FONT color=#ffff00>Agreed this was a plus.</FONT><BR>It is still better to have 2 healers in groups, but more people accept that, even encourage it.<FONT color=#ffff00><BR></FONT><FONT color=#ffff00>Nonsense.  Normal every day grouping I've never had a problem solo healing in my DPS gear while doing 600 DPS.  I've even solo healed HoF, admittedly having to get out my healing gear.  A second healer is a spot that could otherwise be used for a true DPS class unless you're in a zone that will specifically need two healers such as possibly Nek 3 and Nizara (haven't been to Nizara yet, hear it's tough).</FONT><BR>Fizzles and Interrupts are still the worst of any of the 7 classes I play, unreasonably so imo.<BR><FONT color=#ffff00>Increasing one's ministration helps with fizzles, but even with that being the case I still agree with you on this one.</FONT><BR>And I no longer have time to debate any of the issues, or even keep up on the forums.<BR><BR>Thanks to all for the pointers, some have made a huge difference as much as it required me to 'change' my thinking of what a Templar is and what a Templar 'should' be.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR></DIV> <P><BR></P> <HR> <P>Any group instance can be solo healed by a templar minus Niz. (although I solo healed it up to 3rd named with only 4 people in group :p  ) </P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR> </P>

[Quijonsith]

<div></div><div></div>If you're still in cobalt there's your problem as far as getting 3 shotted in t7.  The same goes for you groupmates at that level.  Alot of treasured armor dropped from mobs is as good or better than some t6 fabled.  If you're having to work that hard to keep your tank alive, check out his/her gear.  Xegonite armor will hold you until you get some good drops, but don't expect it to be the final solution.  It really isn't very good armor compared to T7 legendary or even some treasured.  Are you using your lotto/debuff heals?  The Fate and Mark of lines help alot, and for single target enemies toss in the Involuntary line aswell.  They add up alot.As far as my 600 DPS goes, feel free to check out my character's gear and achievement <a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=230839104" target="_blank">here</a>.  This page will of course change as depending on what I'm wearing when I log off, but here's a run down of my damage dealing:Yaulp: 20% double attack, haste, and dps.88% melee crit from the STA line.30% DPS increase from the AGI line.That's what I have achievement wise so far.  With standard T7 food, my gear, and master 2 Praetorate from T6 I have 350 STR solo.  The blackscale maul's damage rating doesn't account for strength or DPS mod.  I also have an imbued ring of STR for another STR and 26% DPS mod proc.  Next time you log on type /weaponstat to see a better idea of what you do in melee.  When I type /weaponstat solo it shows >1k as a max.Next you have to understand the way crits work.  If you crit in melee what was your maximum hit becomes your MINIMUM hit.  Your new maximum hit becomes 1.3x your previous maximum.  In groups my STR goes up to 400-450 or more most of the time, further increasing my melee damage.I also have the gauntlets of glorious speed for another 22% haste.  This drops the delay of the blackscale maul to 5.5 seconds according to /weaponstat.  Toss a monk in the group and the delay becomes 5 seconds.  Solo I'm able to crit for 1.8k and sometimes 2k after I've dropped Spurn on the enemy (melee mit debuff).  My highest hit ever as shown in the link is 2.6k.  Put a fury/wzzy/etc in the group with me to buff my int for more spell damage so I can chain nuke while swings from the maul hit between nukes and bam, consisten 600 DPS in the group.  Meanwhile all I did for healing is use my lotto/debuff heals.  My DPS will of course drop if I have to use any real healing, but when I lvl'd from 60 on up through SoS I never used my reactives.My total melee boosting stats are 20% double attack, 88% melee crit, 42% haste, and 50% DPS increase plus my 350+ STR.  STR makes a huge difference in melee damage.If you have any trouble sticking on targets get gear with +ordination.  When I was lower in T7 I had enough +ordination that I could stick on orange con mobs almost consistentl, with the regular resists to be expected but not nearly as much as with the gear.Also, all of my spells are adept 3 with master 1 spurn and warring axiom.  I also have a good bit of flowing thought gear to offset Yaulp.  I've reached 700+ DPS and even seen 900 DPS if I get lucky with double attacks from yaulp.  Solo I'm usually between 400 and 500 DPS depending on what I'm fighting and how much healing I have to do.Oh yeah, do you have reverence CoLD MeTaL?  That helps alot to.  I throw it on the tank on the pull and his/her own power use heals him/her.  At adept 3 it's 210% mana to HP conversion.  It's one of the early T6 spells.<div></div>I will grant you this, 600 DPS while solo  healing is normal every day grouping.  For zones that I have to throw out a little more healing that of course drops, but I still pull 300 DPS from melee alone grouping when I don't nuke, and I almost always pull of a warring axiom.  That's with the blackscale maul.  For really really hard zones where we have enough DPS already I get out my scepter of the godking and my bulwark of the brave and go all out heal, but this is usually reserved for HoF, Nek 3, and raiding.<p>Message Edited by Quijonsith on <span class=date_text>09-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:04 PM</span>

[v1510n]

<div><blockquote><hr>-Valaria- wrote:Im still around too... although have been busy n all.... that matron took up alot of time... glad to have killed her....now what is there to debate???  Over who is the hotter Double Mint Twin? Karia and I???   well just from my perspective.. im way hotter lolOr is it how elrohn smells?  <hr></blockquote>a. Yes, Valaria is hotter <3b. Yup, Elrohn smells</div>

[Caethre]

<FONT color=#ff6600>OOC.<BR></FONT> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Taschen77 wrote:<BR>It's too quiet and ultimately too boring around here.<BR><BR>I miss the days of the heated debates, discussions and watching posts as they spiraled out of control before being locked / removed. Ah those were the days! Where are the oldschool discussions like these by Catherae, Kendricke, Elrohn, Reznor, Descartin, Karia, Laria, Valaria (say those three ten times fast!) and all the other Templars who were part of these days??!<BR><BR>These boards are soo not cool without them <SPAN>:smileysad:</SPAN><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR><FONT color=#ff6600>*laughs out loud*</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff6600>Talk about asking for me to soapbox! You are now officially to blame for the following post! <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff6600>Yes I am still around, although I am distracted by other things (and real life) a lot more lately, and coming here less often.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff6600>I had a post written out, and for once I didn't save it first, I just pressed submit, and therefore of course the browser chose this time to eat the post and I lost the lot. These forums are terrible for that problem, sigh. Anyway, I will write it again I guess.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff6600>I for one do not look back at the "bad old days" with any sense of nostalgia. Unlike some, I never enjoyed arguing with strangers on an internet message board, I was posting here for one purpose alone - I wanted to get the message across to the developers that our class was suffering badly in class balance versus other priests, at least for one playstyle. To get this across I was prepared to post facts, opinions, experiences and parses, and anything else necessary, to get the developers to just take a look and find it for themselves. This can all be summed up in one word: Feedback!</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff6600>The fact that hundreds of other Templars felt the same way, and started posting the same and similar stories from their own playstyles helped greatly, and yes, it became a clamour for change and for class balance from so many of our community, especially from the more casual and more generally placid players in other regards. The few opposing us really didn't matter, our feedback was not for them, it was for SOE.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff6600>It took a long long time for SOE to respond, to actually look into the problems and then realize how wrong things were, but with KOS release they did, and now things are somewhat different for players like myself, at least at level 70 with a number of AP skills. Now, I can join a group with Templar or Fury, and feel like I can contribute to a more equal degree with either character. In small groups, the Templar is much closer to where the Fury is, and even soloing, whilst my Templar still can't get close to my Fury on group encounters, she is not far away now on single encounters, no more is it just one-third the speed or anything like that. It is close enough, that groups no longer seek druids over Templars as a matter of course, as far as I have seen or heard from others, and that is a 'good thing'!</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff6600>There are still issues, of course. Lower-level Templars still have some balance issues versus other priests. And as a class, we still have a problem with excessive interrupts (against group encounters especially) and with fizzle chains, and there are other things too. However, the sum of all this is still nothing compared to the terrible state I felt our class was in prior to the changes that came immediately prior to and with KOS. Would I still make further changes? Yes I would, but they would not need to be large ones anymore, and I can now see the little annoyances for my other classes and feel they have merit too, and it doesn't just feel that it's the Templar class being singled out *chuckle*.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff6600>So, the bottom line is that SOE made some good balancing changes for many players, and left the two classes feeling much closer to being balanced, from the perspective of this Level 70 Templar / Level 70 Fury player, in my playstyle.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff6600>And as a result of that, there is no need for you to read such long posts from me on such a regular basis anymore, drumming up support for change, when I feel that we are much closer to having the classes fairly balanced. This came about largely because of the feedback from many Templar players, and for that I at least am grateful.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff6600>/cheers the Templar community</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff6600>And if it means I can post here less and play more, all the better!!! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff6600>Felishanna</FONT>.</P>

[Andu]

<blockquote><hr>Taschen77 wrote:It's too quiet and ultimately too boring around here. I miss the days of the heated debates, discussions and watching posts as they spiraled out of control before being locked / removed. Ah those were the days! Where are the oldschool discussions like these by Catherae, Kendricke, Elrohn, Reznor, Descartin, Karia, Laria, Valaria (say those three ten times fast!) and all the other Templars who were part of these days??! These boards are soo not cool without them <span>:smileysad:</span> <div></div><hr></blockquote>Simple, the ones who were generally arguing for change all left. When they nerfed the Templar there was the huge fight on these boards that you alluded to. After noone listened then Templars either adapted, changed class or quit. In some cases, they were banned from the forums completely. From a personal point of view, 2 guild friends quit the game entirely. I changed class. One brave soul persevered and is still a Templar, although he is still unhappy about a number of issues such as reactives and avoidance tanks. These boards no longer have any of those original players on them, all that remains are those that either liked the changes or no longer have any fight in them. Hence its quiet.<div></div>

[Xerxess]

<div><blockquote><hr>Taschen77 wrote:It's too quiet and ultimately too boring around here. I miss the days of the heated debates, discussions and watching posts as they spiraled out of control before being locked / removed. Ah those were the days! Where are the oldschool discussions like these by Catherae, Kendricke, Elrohn, Reznor, Descartin, Karia, Laria, Valaria (say those three ten times fast!) and all the other Templars who were part of these days??! These boards are soo not cool without them <span>:smileysad:</span> <div></div><hr></blockquote>I still have my templar which is a surprise to me hehe...She is 67 but during this i re-rolled a warden and made 70 in no time.  Back then templars were in some serious hurt but every time most people voice their concerns they were shut out or belittled by certain indviduals, so after enough of being told we were fine they either quit, re-rolled or betrayed. Now that SoE shown some love to templars we are better off now then after LU13 hehe...</div>

[CoLD MeTaL]

<blockquote><hr>Xerxess wrote:Now that SoE shown some love to templars we are better off now then after LU13 hehe...<hr></blockquote>Almost feels like someone shooting you in the leg, and then coming over and wrapping it in a bandage.

[Livi]

<FONT color=#ffffcc>I love my Templar <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I dont know what everyone is complaining about... I guess its just preference.  I have many people tell me that the only healer they let solo heal in their group is a Templar... but I wouldnt go that far... I believe it mostly has to do with knowing how to play your character and learning more every day from experience, other templars, other classes, etc.</FONT>

[CoLD MeTaL]

Way to sound condescending.

[Kendricke]

<blockquote><hr>CoLD MeTaL wrote:I have no idea how he can do 600dps, when the blackscale maxes at 500points every 8 seconds, even chain casting, my mondo adept 3 500hp strike with HOs and he somehow finds the time to heal in there. Maybe life begins at 70 eh?<hr></blockquote>You can't go by listed values on weapons. You have to go by actual stats, based on your current STR, achievements, spells, haste, etc. Honestly, if we only went with actual stats listed, I'd never have hit 2,281 Damage with my Blackscale Maul (my current melee high).Use the "/we" command in game sometime to see what your actual stats are as compared to the stats on the weapon itself. I think you'll be surprised.That said, my current highest DPS with my primary Templar was 791. I currently average in the 600's while running writs, but that's because I recently decided to test out an Achievement build based around soloability, rather than spell haste (I'll be switching back soon), and yes, I have a fair amount of moderately powerful fabled gear (nothing like the cutting edge Templars wear, but it's still better than the average player's, I'd wager).Now, that said, even on my Test Templar, I pull in around 400 DPS or so at level 70...in NO fabled gear, and ONLY using gear that can be gained in single groups or relatively inexpensively on the broker (nothing he's wearing costs more than 40 gold on the Guk broker right now). Even with that build out, he's solo healed groups Halls of Fate and Vaults of El'Arad on Test server, and run in a couple Nizara runs past the first couple named. Was it hard? Absolutely. However, it is possible.I'm not saying you don't know the class. I am saying that we all have more to learn about what is and is not "possible" with the class.

[CoLD MeTaL]

<blockquote><hr>Kendricke wrote:<hr></blockquote>Thanks for the /we command I didn't know that.I still need 4 levels to get the BSM, but I am doing about 100dps solo, if not interrupted and/or fizzling constantly.600 seems ludicrously high.I wonder do HOs play a big part in that? Most PUGs I am in the tank doesn't even HO.Haven't solo'd since i got my new armor at 62, and my new weapon, although xegonite was almost not an upgrade from cobalt, maybe /we will explain why I should have changed.<p>Message Edited by CoLD MeTaL on <span class=date_text>09-13-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:10 PM</span>

[Scarrlette]

Be nice to each other guys or this thread will have to be closed.

[Quijonsith]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Scarrlette wrote:<div></div>Be nice to each other guys or this thread will have to be closed.<hr></blockquote>I must say Scarrlette I'm kinda surprised to see this.  I thought this thread was quite civil, especially compared to the days of old when people lashing out at each other was the norm.  Thanks for stopping by though, whatever the case maybe it's nice to have a mod checking in from time to time <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />But oh well, back on topic.  I don't have any fabled except for my master 1 spurn and master 1 warring axiom.  My nukes are adept 3.  Mark of the celestial is adept 3.  When I'm actually trying to do damage (IE, 600dps) yes I chain my HO.  I can't reach 600dps solo unless I get lucky with a couple of double strikes, but in groups as long as I have people buffing my STR I average 550-600 and if I have INT buffed also I have no problem reaching 600 unless I have to stop a few nukes to drop a heal instead.  I tend to rely on my debuff heals and teh fate line unless the poo hits the fan. Also, sign of fraility is a major mana saver.  Side from that all my gear is either broker bought, quested, or drops from grouping.</div><p>Message Edited by Quijonsith on <span class=date_text>09-13-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:56 PM</span>

[Livi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> CoLD MeTaL wrote:<BR>Way to sound condescending.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>She was probably talking about this... Cause it seems like people can only post neg comments on here to not be talked back to

[Scarrlette]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Liviee wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> CoLD MeTaL wrote:<BR>Way to sound condescending.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>She was probably talking about this... Cause it seems like people can only post neg comments on here to not be talked back to<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>That I was.  Thank you.

[Jida]

I for one was trying to be a productive member of the boards but got frustrated with the state prior to the KoS expansion and dropped my templar promptly at 64.8... Started a brigand and have been happy since.I still pickup masters for my templar and other tidbits of information make him a little bit more fun.currently Elderscribe is 66.9 and will hit 67 tonight (will use them shiny new haste gauntlets soon).I respecced from spell haste/crit to melee haste/crit and have been happier since the change.I am currently at 101% crit chance.. (go figure that 1% chance to crit still stands after all the AA's)I will be going full 8 aa's into the DPS mod and 8 aa's into sheild ally.. I stopped posting (and even looking at the templar boards)... but after i've seen my templar getting better and the dps increasing.. I've been coming back... lurking... and waiting...Still thinking like a brig i guess <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Arielle Nightshade]

<DIV>My Templar is sitting at 60 on the Blackburrow PvE server.   So is my 62 Warden.   Not sure what to do with 'em since friends and I have gone to PvP and won't be back.   Playing a Templar on the PvE side was weird enough post LU13.  I cannot even possibly imagine trying to level one in PvP, although I salute and respect those who have...it couldn't have been easy.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I stopped posting on the Templar Forums because every single post ended in a flame - this seems to be a class where everyone has a definite idea of 'how it should be' and all ideas are different <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />   </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If, at some later point in time, it is possible to transfer characters to the PvP servers, I will happily do so with my Templar.  I have been assured that if that ever happens, it's a very huge 'if' and it won't be soon (coding issues for citizenship and faction are very different between the two rulesets, I've been told...just bringing a character over is not possible).  Still going to hang on to the character - I like her a lot - but...not sure what to do with her!</DIV>

[ShockG1]

<P>Hello all, I know this post is a bit late since the last was made to this thread, but I still want to say:  I use to follow these forums constantly, checked them 4-6 times a day.  Then got burned out just hearing all the arguing and your right I'm wrong threads.  Finally came back just for the heck of it, and POW!!!! first thread that caught my eye was this one. I for one am extremely glad  there isn't as much arguing/complaining going on.  Like several other members of the Templar Forums I was just about to totally give up on my Templar.  I even went as far as speaking with my guild leader, and letting him know I was seriously considering retiring my priest permanently(ie /delete Aroofia).  He somehow convinced me to just take a short break from her before  doing something that drastic, and let SOE fix whatever they were going to fix or not fix whatever they weren't going to fix.  </P> <P>I came back for a short while and guess what I'm now lvl 70 made 68-70 in about 4 days, both soloing and grouping in POA, HOF, Den, or any other zone that may give me exp. Yea there are a few things that could be changed a little but SOE has made being a Templar 10x's better then before.  Can't wait until November when the next expansion comes out, should be interesting.  Ok enough bragging about being 70 Templar.  :smileywink:</P> <P>Honestly though,  thanx to everyone on the forums for your input, you've all been extremely helpful.  And of course, thank you SOE for listening to us and doing your best to keep the forums under control.  And those of you who are debating if you want to stick with Templar or /delete and start another class, don't give up totally on our class, there is a light at the end of the tunnel.  TEMPLARS ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:smileyvery-happy:</P>

[Supernova17]

I like to think that all of our bickering made the mods go holy s*** look at the Templar forums, they're an utter warzone. Maybe we should tell the dev's there's a problem after all. Ok, wishful thinking I know <span><span><span>:smileyvery-happy:</span></span></span> <div></div>

[RipFlex]

<P>I doubt I actually posted in the Templar forums, or I could be wrong ?</P> <P>70th Level Half Elf Male Templar here on GUK... His Name RipEscence Tourniquet.  I remember we were gods once pre-LU13, then Nerf to hell almost over night, then long tweaks to get the DPS to a near tolerable level and spells "fixes"  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Umm, jumped on my Monk after around LU18 I think and made him Main.  Now I switched back not a few weeks ago and I'm loving my Templar again and so are other in Groups / instances and Raiding.. just needed everywhere.  It's good to feel needed for your Primary Role - Healing -</P> <P> </P>