SoE forget templars in the loot tables or something?

[Kizee]

<DIV>Seems like leather and chain drop like crazy and when a plate piece drops it is more fighter based than templar. (Not including relic which seems to be pretty crappy for templars also)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Me and the other templars in my guild have been frustrated on lack of drops (masters and items) compaired to other classes.  :smileyindifferent: </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Do I have anything "nice" to look forward to? :smileysad: </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Sirenta]

<P>Let me think....</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>Nope</P> <P>Actually there is none of a drop i can think off.</P> <P>I would appreciate Manafont but the Templar Lab set is Stat-only (No adornments)</P> <P>Deathtoll... haven't seen all drops yet but none either.</P> <P>If you wanna get geared like a healer, roll a shaman.</P> <P> </P> <P>None other seem to get function oriented Drops.<BR><BR>(Well, Platehelm of the Ether but i assume you talk raid-wise)</P>

[Kizee]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sirenta wrote:<BR> <P>If you wanna get geared like a healer, roll a shaman.</P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Tell me about it.</P> <P>A shaman that joined after me basicly got a full set of fabled before I even got to bid on anything "templarish" ....then I lost to a fighter. :smileysad:</P> <P>EQ2 item designers need to look at some of EQ1's items and wake up.</P> <P>EQ1 had so many "OMG gotta get that" items. I can count the number of items that got me excited in EQ2 on 1 hand.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P><BR> </P><p>Message Edited by Kizee on <span class=date_text>09-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:34 AM</span>

[Summers]

<div></div><div></div>NT<div></div><p>Message Edited by Summers on <span class=date_text>10-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:46 AM</span>

[inhumanus1986]

Another thing Ive noticed is some nice legendary gear for plate healers is no trade.  Want a ft3 chestplate?? chain is buyable, the Madcap Curias is no trade (ive rolled her countless times and only seen tradeable scout stuff), shoulders?? are you kidding?? still chain.....we now have a nice forearm piece that drops in NIZARA (not dropped for me, but i bought it for 3 plat) gloves??Chamberlin gauntlets barely have better mitigation than most chain..legs?? vultak leggings slightly better than arisen legs..  ok we do have some ok boots, but they are low on mitigation and resists.  Being an inquisitor, I feel your pain..Knowing i rarely raid, im better offin 1/2 chain(and we dont get the extra buffs mystics/defilers get to "make up" for wearing chain..For a somewhat casual player as myself, I honestly have a hard time getting geared in t7 to raid at all and risk the chance to get uber rare drops for plate healers..hope you get youself fully geared b4 the next expansion : )<div></div>

[Kizee]

<DIV>Hey Summers <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Not exactally what I wanted to hear but I am not really suprised. I kinda figured that was how it was after a few months of raiding and not seeing much of anything  better than the Legendary stuff I have already. (that I got from group instances) </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have been lucky with the relic plate drops tho. I picked up legs and arms in 1 raid and helm and boots in another.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I just wish templar relic wasnt so crappy. Can anybody explain to me why we don't have the same amount of stats and resists on each piece that the melee classes do? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just look at the helm....20 wis, some power, some hps and FT8 AND THATS IT! (no resists or other stats)  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Then look at the boots.... ok resists but whats with all the intel? What am I , a cloth caster now?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I hope I can get lucky and get deciently equiped eventually.... patients isn't something I am noted for. :smileyvery-happy:</DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Kizee on <span class=date_text>09-07-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:19 AM</span>

[Mabes]

Well, firebrand is decent armor that's pretty easy to get, mix that with relic and you have a nice set of armor.  Though, at least for me anyways, I've been having a tough time getting armor upgrades that are better than firebrand/relic.

[Livi]

<DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00><IMG alt="Stats of Truefaith Breastplate" src="http://eq2.xanadu-community.com/eq2_loot_image.php?img_id=847" border=0></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffff>I got this its not bad esspecially for relic</FONT></DIV></DIV> <P>Message Edited by Liviee on <SPAN class=date_text>09-07-2006</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>01:51 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Liviee on <span class=date_text>09-07-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:51 PM</span>

[Livi]

<DIV><IMG alt="Submitted By: Faelinde of Eidolon, Antonia Bayle" src="http://dbms.ogamingmedia.com/eq2items/20479/image/fierymight.JPG"></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This has dropped in labs last 2 times I've been there. (not too bad <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Livi]

<DIV><IMG alt="Stats of Black Lotus Breastplate" src="http://eq2.xanadu-community.com/eq2_loot_image.php?img_id=843" border=0></DIV>

[Livi]

<DIV><IMG alt="Stats of Firebrand Breastplate" src="http://eq2.xanadu-community.com/eq2_loot_image.php?img_id=759" border=0></DIV>

[Livi]

<DIV><IMG alt="Stats of Cuirass of Shadowfire" src="http://eq2.xanadu-community.com/eq2_loot_image.php?img_id=1022" border=0></DIV>

[Raistlan]

Those really could've gone in one post <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Anyway, on Najena, plate relic drops like crazy, only thing I don't have is the boots and thats because i always let someone else take em.  As for the rest of my armor, well, I'm going pretty well personally.  I still need the Black Lotus, and a belt, and rings, but everything other than that I'm set for.  One thing though... you might care to go back to T6 and get some of the items from there, Boots of the Devout, Silver Dragon Scale Breastplate etc.  Not the greatest on stats compared to the T7 stuff, but it's good stuff if your lacking in the FT department.<div></div>

[Livi]

<DIV>everyone always has to complain about something LOL</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR> <P><FONT size=3><FONT color=#ffffcc>3 Templar masters dropped in labs yesterday… 2 celestial praetorates (which both templars on the raid already had) and our single target reactive!<SPAN>  </SPAN>So things are dropping just 2 of the same spell in the same zone was kind of lame hehe</FONT></FONT></P></DIV><p>Message Edited by Liviee on <span class=date_text>09-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:11 AM</span>

[Sinnester]

<P>There is definiately a lack of "templar stats" plate gear that drop on mobs.   Right now, Relic is the best gear we could possibly get as I have not seen but one or two pieces drop from names that would be good for us.  However, there are lots of jewelry items that are great for us off the named.   3 Princes drops are excellent for us.</P> <P>Here's to looking forward to the next expansion and hoping the loot is a little more geared towards templars.</P> <P> </P>

[Livi]

<DIV>would be better in different post.... so pretend I just didnt post here hehe</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Liviee on <SPAN class=date_text>09-08-2006</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>10:11 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Liviee on <span class=date_text>09-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:11 AM</span>

[Sokolov]

If you think back to T6 in places like Courts and PPR, all that seemed to drop was Plate this and plate that.  I guess T7 is to make up for it? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Dillin]

<DIV>Well, my Templar has all of those BPs except the Black Lotus and Relic and I use all of them depending on the situation.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Off the top of my head... what are you guys expecting as far as gear goes?  What would you consider healer specific?</DIV>

[Momolicio]

As far as Healer plate gear, consider melee gear.Reactive procs, offensive procs, skill bonuses etc.No need to change any of that, just simply what they do.A Healer Proc is nice if it is a 5% chance to cast AE detaunt, etc. 3% chance to proc on a melee attack  "Gift of Momo" the next spell consumes no power, lasts 5 seconds. Etc. Those would be healer specific effects on plate. Woopeee I can proc more damage/hate onto a mob that is beating on me. I can add 10% more damage to my DD/dot spell (Although I personally like to do damage).  Those are not exactly worthy effects.Stoneskin... that is worthy. AE Detaunt reactive proc is worthy too *yet can agro from outside of encounter*. <div></div>

[Dillin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>Elmomo wrote:<BR>As far as Healer plate gear, consider melee gear.<BR><BR>Reactive procs, offensive procs, skill bonuses etc.<BR><BR>No need to change any of that, just simply what they do.<BR><BR>A Healer Proc is nice if it is a 5% chance to cast AE detaunt, etc. 3% chance to proc on a melee attack  "Gift of Momo" the next spell consumes no power, lasts 5 seconds.</P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>There are a lot of items with procs based on casting a beneficial spell and procs that cast dehates.  Although if you notice, there aren't a lot of proc effects on armor (Besides relic).  Never heard of Gift of Momo<BR></FONT><BR>Etc. Those would be healer specific effects on plate.<BR><BR>Woopeee I can proc more damage/hate onto a mob that is beating on me. I can add 10% more damage to my DD/dot spell (Although I personally like to do damage).  Those are not exactly worthy effects.<BR><BR>Stoneskin... that is worthy. AE Detaunt reactive proc is worthy too *yet can agro from outside of encounter*.</P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>Not sure what your saying here since we have a stoneskin proccing buff.  </FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>If your grouped or raiding, it's the job of your MT to keep aggro.  If they can't they need to learn.  We already have 1 "emergency" AoE detaunt.  I would agree that it does need to be encounter specific and not a true AoE.<BR></FONT><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Message Edited by Cybst0rm on <SPAN class=date_text>09-14-2006</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>04:33 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Cybst0rm on <span class=date_text>09-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:33 PM</span>

[Whitemane]

Yep lots. IMHO t7 is VERY nice to Healers. Sure some of the Procs could use some work  but there are quite a number very nice healer type items<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kizee wrote:<BR> <DIV>Seems like leather and chain drop like crazy and when a plate piece drops it is more fighter based than templar. (Not including relic which seems to be pretty crappy for templars also)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Me and the other templars in my guild have been frustrated on lack of drops (masters and items) compaired to other classes.  :smileyindifferent: </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Do I have anything "nice" to look forward to? :smileysad: </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[jago quicksilver]

<img src="http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h129/Arozi/EQ2_000120.jpg">i think personally that alot of gear was made with clerics in mind, here are a few pieces that have just came out of my bag, and im sure that many others have very solid gear as well. most have high wisdom and power, decent resists, and dont leave out other good stats that a cleric would use when Wis capped (STR and STA being the main 2)<div></div>

[jago quicksilver]

<img src="http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h129/Arozi/EQ2_000121.jpg">and here is some rather nice jewelery, with the same trend as the others, but lots of this also has INT too to buff up your nukes, so id say that the loot is rather nice for clerics, not to mention any priests. (ill see if i cant get a collection of weapons/shields in a few)

[jago quicksilver]

<img src="http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h129/Arozi/EQ2_000122.jpg">last but certaintly not least, secondary/ranged items (and a 2h <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span>)<div></div>

[Hoopak]

Who drops that sledge of smashing? /drool

[Livi]

nice gear! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Mont]

<DIV>Who drops that sledge of smashing? /drool <P></P> <DIV>Legion, Guardian of Freeport. Nagafan<BR>Ozma 46 sage, 43 wiz<BR>Blueboy 56 templar 69 Provisioner<BR>Nektulos/Lavastorm server<BR>-STASIS-</DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lord Vyemm in Labs</DIV>

[Archill]

Lord vyemm drops the sledge<div></div>

[Kizee]

<P>Decient stuff but honestly I don't consider much of that very good. </P> <P>Maybe I am spoiled from EQ1 and other games that had alot of OMG I gotta have that loot.</P> <P>EQ2 is pretty weaksauce when it comes to itemization.</P> <P> </P> <P>Mages, fighters and scouts get some decient procs for thier stuff...where are the +heal% items, or +buff% items or even +casting speed items? </P> <P>Hope that EoF has some better cleric loot.</P>

[Archill]

<div><blockquote><hr>Kizee wrote:<div></div> <p>Decient stuff but honestly I don't consider much of that very good. </p> <p>Maybe I am spoiled from EQ1 and other games that had alot of OMG I gotta have that loot.</p> <p>EQ2 is pretty weaksauce when it comes to itemization.</p> <p>Mages, fighters and scouts get some decient procs for thier stuff...where are the +heal% items, or +buff% items or even +casting speed items? </p> <p>Hope that EoF has some better cleric loot.</p><hr></blockquote>Like this? <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/RoyceLove/orb.jpg"></div>

[Dillin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Hoopak wrote:<BR> Who drops that sledge of smashing? /drool<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Lord Vyemm... and yes... it's aber!!!!  I dropped the BS Maul for it.

[Dillin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Archill wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kizee wrote:<BR> <P>Decient stuff but honestly I don't consider much of that very good. </P> <P>Maybe I am spoiled from EQ1 and other games that had alot of OMG I gotta have that loot.</P> <P>EQ2 is pretty weaksauce when it comes to itemization.</P> <P> </P> <P>Mages, fighters and scouts get some decient procs for thier stuff...where are the +heal% items, or +buff% items or even +casting speed items? </P> <P>Hope that EoF has some better cleric loot.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Like this? <BR><BR><IMG src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/RoyceLove/orb.jpg"><BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Stop the press... What drops that?????

[Archill]

Black queen in Courts.<div></div>

[EQAditu]

<div></div>I don't know why this item keeps popping up as being a +healing item.  Please look at the spell description carefully.Applies a buff when equipped.  The buff's target is the equipper, otherwise known as the healer.When target(the equipper) casts a healing spell, this spell(the buff) will cast Healing Pulse on caster(the equipper).Healing Pulse: Heals target(the target of Healing Pulse, otherwise known as the caster, otherwise known as the equipper).So in essense, every time you cast a healing spell, the item heals YOU, not who you are healing.  Not nearly as cool.Compare that to our Godking Scepter:Applies a buff when equipped.  The buffs target is the equipper/healer.When target(the equipper) casts a beneficial spell, it can cast Blessing of Anashti Sul on target of spell cast(the target of the beneficial spell).Blessing of Anashti Sul: heals target (the target of the beneficial spell).Compare to Inquisitor's Convert:You apply the buff to yourself, so the healer.When target(yourself/healer) casts a beneficial spell it will cast Convert Ally on target of spell cast(the target of the beneficial spell)Convert Ally: Heals target(target of the beneficial spell).Both of these effects make it clear it casts on the target of the healer's spell.  The BQ's orb does not specify that, and can be logically read to mean otherwise.  Also when I ask people who have the item, they say it casts on themselves.<div></div>

[Archill]

If I don't have to heal myself.. well.. I guess I am just lazy like that..<div></div>

[jago quicksilver]

<div><blockquote><hr>Kizee wrote:<div></div> <p>Decient stuff but honestly I don't consider much of that very good. </p> <p>Maybe I am spoiled from EQ1 and other games that had alot of OMG I gotta have that loot.</p> <p>EQ2 is pretty weaksauce when it comes to itemization.</p> <p>Mages, fighters and scouts get some decient procs for thier stuff...where are the +heal% items, or +buff% items or even +casting speed items? </p> <p>Hope that EoF has some better cleric loot.</p><hr></blockquote>there is alot of complaints on the boards about lack of itemization, and all classes are being affected by it, not just clerics.</div>

[Dillin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> EQAditu wrote:<BR> I don't know why this item keeps popping up as being a +healing item.  Please look at the spell description carefully.<BR><BR>Applies a buff when equipped.  The buff's target is the equipper, otherwise known as the healer.<BR>When target(the equipper) casts a healing spell, this spell(the buff) will cast Healing Pulse on caster(the equipper).<BR>Healing Pulse: Heals target(the target of Healing Pulse, otherwise known as the caster, otherwise known as the equipper).<BR><BR>So in essense, every time you cast a healing spell, the item heals YOU, not who you are healing.  Not nearly as cool.<BR><BR>Compare that to our Godking Scepter:<BR>Applies a buff when equipped.  The buffs target is the equipper/healer.<BR>When target(the equipper) casts a beneficial spell, it can cast Blessing of Anashti Sul on target of spell cast(the target of the beneficial spell).<BR>Blessing of Anashti Sul: heals target (the target of the beneficial spell).<BR><BR>Compare to Inquisitor's Convert:<BR>You apply the buff to yourself, so the healer.<BR>When target(yourself/healer) casts a beneficial spell it will cast Convert Ally on target of spell cast(the target of the beneficial spell)<BR>Convert Ally: Heals target(target of the beneficial spell).<BR><BR>Both of these effects make it clear it casts on the target of the healer's spell.  The BQ's orb does not specify that, and can be logically read to mean otherwise.  Also when I ask people who have the item, they say it casts on themselves.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Heal me, heal my target, who cares?... would be a nice little kick for myself when a big AoE hits (ie.- Chel'Drak).<BR>

[EQAditu]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Cybst0rm wrote:Heal me, heal my target, who cares?... would be a nice little kick for myself when a big AoE hits (ie.- Chel'Drak).<hr></blockquote>I'm not really against that part as much as trying to curb the amount of people who mistakenly think it will act like Convert.  Because most do at first glance.But okay...  I guess I care a tiny bit.  Unless I'm not raiding, I'm not going to count on it helping me at all... unless somehow they throw the druid out of the MT group.  On one condition, actually... something like the collection earring that procs a group heal will proc very often for a group reactive... presumably because it lands on 6 people... so 60% chance?  Sometimes it will proc twice in a single cast.  I had always assumed that the BQ orb will cast once per spell, but if it were to follow similar guidelines to what I described and proc 6 times per cast, then that would be something to talk about.<div></div>