Single target reactives

[Spondulix]

Hey guys!I seem to have run into a problem last night that I can't quite get to the bottom of. This may sound noob-ish, and I write this only half-heartedly, since I've been raiding for quite a while and can't believe I don't know this for a fact by now.Single target reactives. Stacking. Now, I am well aware and always have been that ST reactives don't stack among clerics, but my question is.. in which way do they not stack. I've always thought that if one ST reactive is up on the main tank, and another templar cast theirs, both of the reactives that were cast would drop, basically cancelling each other out. I know this is how it used to be, and maybe I just missed the change. I've also heard that if two ST reactives get cast, only one keeps working (which one, I do not know), while the other is "put on reserve" if you will, to start working when the other has run out. Or maybe just gets wasted completely.Another theory that I heard was that if one ST reactive is up, anyone trying to cast theirs will fizzle on the cast.I keep a hawk's eye on my reactives to see when they have to be refreshed, and many a times I see my reactive with 3-4 uses left just... vanish. This has so far fueled my suspicion that reactives do actually cancel each other out, but it seems I might be wrong. I'm very familiar with the tough fights, when every reactive you have burns through like it was never there, but I see this happening even on fights with trash mobs that barely hit our tanks.I'd appreciate a clear answer on this once and forever, so that I can go on with my day without having to stop and wonder.Many thanks,Spon

[Raistlan]

How it works now is that if you already have a reactive on the tank, if someone else casts their single target reactive it will overwrite yours.  They will not cancel each other out, as the result of that would be that neither reactive is on the tank.  The 2nd reactive will overwrite the first, even if the 2nd is a lower quality (not lower tier), and even if the first reactive has not had a single charge used.<blockquote><hr>Spondulix wrote:I've always thought that if one ST reactive is up on the main tank, and another templar cast theirs, both of the reactives that were cast would drop, basically cancelling each other out. I know this is how it used to be, and maybe I just missed the change. <hr></blockquote>Incorrect, this is not how it used to be. How it used to work was that the 2nd reactive would be placed in a queue, and when the first reactive had either run out its duration, or run out of charges, the second reactive would move up to the front of the queue and start healing.  There has never been a time in this game where casting the same spell as what is currently on the tank would both remove the current spell while not overwriting it with the second.   It has always been that the 2nd spell would either not cast at all, it would overwrite and REPLACE the first, or it would be placed into a queue.  As I said above, cancelling out means that the end result is that neither spell is on the tank, and that has never been the case.<div></div>

[Whitemane]

<P>The quick and dirty ( I think ) is that Templars Reactives will stack in that one will take over once the other is completed. Inquisitors and Templars though will overwrite each others single target at least this is what I noticed a few weeks ago. Its been this way for quite sometime now ( since LU13 if memory serves ). </P> <P><BR> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Spondulix wrote:<BR>Hey guys!<BR><BR>I seem to have run into a problem last night that I can't quite get to the bottom of. This may sound noob-ish, and I write this only half-heartedly, since I've been raiding for quite a while and can't believe I don't know this for a fact by now.<BR><BR>Single target reactives. Stacking. Now, I am well aware and always have been that ST reactives don't stack among clerics, but my question is.. in which way do they not stack. I've always thought that if one ST reactive is up on the main tank, and another templar cast theirs, both of the reactives that were cast would drop, basically cancelling each other out. I know this is how it used to be, and maybe I just missed the change. <BR><BR>I've also heard that if two ST reactives get cast, only one keeps working (which one, I do not know), while the other is "put on reserve" if you will, to start working when the other has run out. Or maybe just gets wasted completely.<BR><BR>Another theory that I heard was that if one ST reactive is up, anyone trying to cast theirs will fizzle on the cast.<BR><BR>I keep a hawk's eye on my reactives to see when they have to be refreshed, and many a times I see my reactive with 3-4 uses left just... vanish. This has so far fueled my suspicion that reactives do actually cancel each other out, but it seems I might be wrong. I'm very familiar with the tough fights, when every reactive you have burns through like it was never there, but I see this happening even on fights with trash mobs that barely hit our tanks.<BR><BR>I'd appreciate a clear answer on this once and forever, so that I can go on with my day without having to stop and wonder.<BR><BR>Many thanks,<BR><BR>Spon<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[Timaarit]

Yes, single target reactive stacks with group reactive. Also Focused Benefaction stacks with these making it possible for 3 reactives to fire on single hit. But. Single target reactive does not stack with another single target reactive. So if 2 people cast it on one target, the one that was cast first, will be overwritten. <div></div>

[Simondu]

<P>I agree and understand about Single Target Reactives....we usually field two templars in our raids, one for MT grp and one in MA grp...the question has arisen several times about debuffing the mob...ie., does Spurn (both master I) stack on the mob when both templars cast it...??</P> <P>We did a little testing with no definitive conclusions, we formed a 4 person raid with two in each grp...had a tank pull a trash mob and let it beat on him while we both cast Spurn on mob from our respective grps...The debuff icon for Spurn appeared twice in the mob's target window...did we debuff for a combination of 2,172 mit. or simply 1,086 from the last one to land and the mob's displaying two icons is simply a fluke...???</P> <P>We even went to the arena and tried to form a test  with two templars against a tank...results, while his window displayed two icons..his mit was only decreased by 1,086...however, we templars were in same grp..since it was grp A against grp B..</P> <P>Anyone have a conclusive answer..or can devise a test to test it...since we can't see the mob's mitigation..is difficult to determine....</P> <P> </P> <P>Simondu, Beffalen</P>

[Raistlan]

From what I know, they do not stack their effects.  Unfortunately, I don't have any factual evidence to back this up <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  If they did stack effects though, I think somebody would've figured out by now that as resistances are percantage based, that co-ordinating dispatch to hit at the same time instead of seperately would allow for some seriously big hits.<div></div>

[menelaus109]

<div><blockquote><hr>Simondu wrote:<div></div> <p>I agree and understand about Single Target Reactives....we usually field two templars in our raids, one for MT grp and one in MA grp...the question has arisen several times about debuffing the mob...ie., does Spurn (both master I) stack on the mob when both templars cast it...??</p> <p>We did a little testing with no definitive conclusions, we formed a 4 person raid with two in each grp...had a tank pull a trash mob and let it beat on him while we both cast Spurn on mob from our respective grps...The debuff icon for Spurn appeared twice in the mob's target window...did we debuff for a combination of 2,172 mit. or simply 1,086 from the last one to land and the mob's displaying two icons is simply a fluke...???</p> <p>We even went to the arena and tried to form a test  with two templars against a tank...results, while his window displayed two icons..his mit was only decreased by 1,086...however, we templars were in same grp..since it was grp A against grp B..</p> <p>Anyone have a conclusive answer..or can devise a test to test it...since we can't see the mob's mitigation..is difficult to determine....</p> <p>Simondu, Beffalen</p><hr></blockquote>Debuffs of the same type dont stack, at least on players so i presume it works the same for mobsGo to PoA, precast both reactives on yourself and run round on the third or fourth level collecting as many mobs as possible, then jump back on the ladder, youll have several versions of Despoiling Mist on you which reduces mitigation by around 1k, you will only be affected by one of them though no matter how many debuffs are active, the debuff lasts til the last one expires</div>

[Fael]

I three box necros, warlocks and conjurers.  The debuffs all appear on the mob, but they do not stack.I always cast them all at once, and it is nice to know that at least one of the three is gonna stick.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Mal<div></div>

[Gaolith]

<div><blockquote><hr>Raistlan wrote:How it works now is that if you already have a reactive on the tank, if someone else casts their single target reactive it will overwrite yours.  They will not cancel each other out, as the result of that would be that neither reactive is on the tank.  <font color="#ff0033">The 2nd reactive will overwrite the first, even if the 2nd is a lower quality (not lower tier), and even if the first reactive has not had a single charge used.</font><div></div><hr></blockquote>Are you sure on this?  Because I have been grouped with other templars and inquisitors, and they have gotten a "your spell would not take effect" message when trying to cast an Add III reactive when I have my master up.</div>

[thesilverf]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gaolith wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Raistlan wrote:<BR>How it works now is that if you already have a reactive on the tank, if someone else casts their single target reactive it will overwrite yours.  They will not cancel each other out, as the result of that would be that neither reactive is on the tank.  <FONT color=#ff0033>The 2nd reactive will overwrite the first, even if the 2nd is a lower quality (not lower tier), and even if the first reactive has not had a single charge used.</FONT><BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Are you sure on this?  Because I have been grouped with other templars and inquisitors, and they have gotten a "your spell would not take effect" message when trying to cast an Add III reactive when I have my master up.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>The only time I've heard of that message was when using a lower tier version of the spell.  On lower quality than mine (Adept III) I've watched mine get overwritten many times.</P> <P>I watch my reactives in the target window on the tank, if you hover over it you can see the spell description.  Watch yours drop from your own effects window, and the icon is still there on the tank but the "heals for" numbers in the description have gone down to the lower quality spells level.<BR></P>

[Raistlan]

<div></div>I'm dead certain.  My M1 has been overwritten by ad3's before. thesilverfox stated pretty well what I have observed myself. <span><span></span></span><a href="../view_profile?user.id=125450" target="top"><span></span></a><div></div>

[Gaolith]

It must have been lower tier then.  I thought they were using same tier, just lower quality, but I didn't pay that close of attention becuase I wasn't getting the message, mine was always landing.<div></div>