Heal Parsing

[Imagikka]

<DIV>Recently started running a heal parser during raids - I love it!  ( Thanks Blast!!! )  A few of us have a bit of a competition during the raid to see who is at the top of course lol.  So far, my highest parse for a single combat session was just over 225k.  Just curious to see what everyone else could do <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[MadisonPark]

<DIV>Are you talking single group or raid?</DIV>

[Zabumt]

<DIV>Over the course of an entire raid, I parse well over a million in healing.  Not sure what sort of time-frame your parse includes.  One encounter?  If you're healing 200k+ on an encounter, I'd sure like to know what your strat is hehe.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Imagikka]

The combat that I parsed that high in was a single encounter in an HoS raid- though most of my parses run between 75 - 100k per encounter.  I am usually at the top of the parser though, and often times the only Templar on the raid.  So I guess I'm partly trying to determine if it is my class that keeps me parsing at the top <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Antryg Mistrose]

Its your class and your position, so don't lord it over the other priests too much.As the only templar on the raid you will be in the MT group.  The MT takes more damage than the rest of the raid put together normally.  Heals go off on the MT in order Wards>Reactives>HealOvertime.  But Wards are not well represented by parsers at present, so unless you are dead or loafing as the MT templar you have a big advantage.You will also be the only person casting your Mark of Princes/Kings/Celstial, and as that can heal raid wide your figures go up dramatically.  If you are the only cleric on the raid, then having both reactives up on the MT at all times gives you a huge advantage.<div></div>

[Goozman]

<DIV>In our guild, the MT group's mystic and his dog usually own the raid heal parse (total at the end of the raid) by several hundred thousand... it's madness! Second for the entire raid is the MT group Templar (almost 100% of the time). For named encounters, however, it can vary between any healer in the raid.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It helps immensely if yur the only healer of your type. When I'm the only druid, I do incredibly well on the heal parses, simply because I have regen on the tank all the time raking in the hps.  Shamans should be owning everyone else for the entire raid tho, cuz they are often the only ones healing at full potential on trash mobs (regens and reactives get wasted)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For me, heal parsing has really only been useful to show the anti-druids that I am in fact healing as well as doing damage. It is, for the most part, unreliable. It can help you find the people who just aren't doing anything... but there will also be a few who end up low because heals aren't needed, specialty heals being overridden, death during the fight, rezzing people during the fight, etc.</DIV>

[Gamiele04]

<DIV>If your raid has a group with only dps and one healer, that healer can overheal everyone with just group heals usually</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Akarus,</DIV> <DIV><Xanadu></DIV>

[Dillin]

<P>Key to doing well in a heal parse and NOT being in the MT group... Mark and Curate lines.  There are quite a few raid mobs that have damage shields that hit for a small amount of damage.  The Mark line procs like crazy and will proc on anyone in the raid.</P> <P>Since my guild is Cleric heavy (We typically have enough to put 2 Templars in each group), I usually don't end up in the MT group.  I still parse higher then most everyone except the MT Mystic/Defiler.  We also have mostly melee DPS too so that helps as well.  For raid groups that are mostly raged/spell casters you might not do so well.</P>

[Imagikka]

Okay, I am always in the MT group, and I do pay attention to what the other healers are parsing - both in and out of the main tank group.  What I don't know is how other Templars who are in the same spot parse.  I want to make sure that I'm playing the Templar class the best that I can.  Although heal parses don't say it all, they do say something. 

[Sokolov]

<div><blockquote><hr>Antryg Mistrose wrote: But Wards are not well represented by parsers at present, so unless you are dead or loafing as the MT templar you have a big advantage<div></div><hr></blockquote>What do you mean by this?  It seems to be working well for me.</div>

[Spondulix]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Imagikka wrote:<BR> The combat that I parsed that high in was a single encounter in an HoS raid- <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I would really like to know how you parsed that high on a single encounter... really. I'll use as an example Vilucidae from the Lyceum, which is usually a pretty long fight. At the end of that, I usually range in the 120-150k and that's achieved with a power regen in group, power items and potions. Granted, some of my reactives get wasted, but I still don't see how you'd get twice the effectiveness with around the same power pool (My max power pool while in the MT group finds me at about 6700 power)

[Amey]

parsers can be v depressing. am always mt templar and always below our mt shammy whoich is fair enough, but am also even below our pally sometimes which kinda grates hehe. And yeah even when not slacking and everythin i got in ad 3 or master 1/2. And no, she can still beat me when there is NO rezzing. Not sure whats with that. I wear pretty much all i can to bump my heal power ho hum.<BR><BR>Anyway still nice to have parses, i guess <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Dillin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Amey wrote:<BR> parsers can be v depressing. am always mt templar and always below our mt shammy whoich is fair enough, but am also even below our pally sometimes which kinda grates hehe. And yeah even when not slacking and everythin i got in ad 3 or master 1/2. And no, she can still beat me when there is NO rezzing. Not sure whats with that. I wear pretty much all i can to bump my heal power ho hum.<BR><BR>Anyway still nice to have parses, i guess <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Make sure your casting Mark and Curate.  Trust me, it makes a huge difference.

[Amey]

<DIV>Yeah I use every spell at my disposal - don't think there is one fight in a raid where i don't cast one of my spells..So nice idea but doesn't help me...One consolation  my hammer pet PULLED aggro once which was kind of funny... RL "Urm, who is Toby"..and there he was going hell for leather <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Zahmekos]

<blockquote><hr>Amey wrote:<div>Yeah I use every spell at my disposal - don't think there is one fight in a raid where i don't cast one of my spells..So nice idea but doesn't help me...One consolation  my hammer pet PULLED aggro once which was kind of funny... RL "Urm, who is Toby"..and there he was going hell for leather <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><hr></blockquote>hm, so you are using your damage spells in raids and your pally is healing ? Maybe the pally is higher in heals but lower in dps than you ? *gg Dont know the pally very good, but I guess he has only direct heal spells on long timers? Therefore its strange that you are lower in heals, maybe because  you are smiting/hammering all the time ^^<div></div>

[Raistlan]

Paladins have wards which take effect before our reactives, however..... I have no idea what a paladin is doing warding if so little damage is coming through that he beats a Templar.  Really should be spending his mana on damage and letting the other healers do their job imo.<div></div>

[Gaolith]

Which parser are you using?  I've been using ACT, and it works great, but I understand there are heal specific parsers out there that I was thinking about checking out.

[Supernova17]

Advanced Combat Tracker still is the best program available for parsing heals. <div></div>

[Asp728]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gaolith wrote:<BR> Which parser are you using?  I've been using ACT, and it works great, but I understand there are heal specific parsers out there that I was thinking about checking out.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=13&message.id=18898" target=_blank>Heal</A> parser</P> <P>Made by one of your own - Blast2Hell.  I use it when I want to see specific heals on the MT vs others.  It's a good program.  I use ACT also when i want to see DPS.  Having 2 computers sharing files I can use both at the same time on raids and look at results on one comp while pasting results of the other in raid chat.  </P>

[Blast2hell]

<P>wow, all this talk about parsing and I'm missing it.</P> <P>ACT is an excellent program,  and it records everything, where my program is only looking for healing.</P> <P>The thing my program does that his doesn't at this time, is mine lets you track  how much of each persons healing went to the MT and how much went to the ST if there is one, and this info is included when you paste it into the chat log.   </P> <P>This helps you tell who is doing what.   If you just look at total healing, you miss a bit of the picture, because it really doesn't tell what your healers were doing.   If at the end of the raid, I see the top healer had 40k healing, but only healed 1000 points on the MT, then I know they were rezzing, spot healing, and caring for there group.   </P> <P>But then I see the guy that came in 4th actually healed say 20k more on the MT then any other priest....I know what that guy was doing during the fight...even though he came in 4th.</P> <P>Also if tracking MT and ST, and your MT goes down, you can tell who picked up heals for ST, and if your one of those groups that assign healers to tanks in advance, you can see if people are doing what is expected.</P> <P> </P> <P>Like I said ACT is a great program, some great info you can review after the fight, but if you just want basic numbers on healing and a parser that uses less CPU power...then Mine will do the job.</P><p>Message Edited by Blast2hell on <span class=date_text>06-22-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:52 PM</span>

[Sokolov]

You can do that with ACT as well.  Just expand the Player's name and click on "Incoming Heals" for full information on who healed that player for how much and when.<div></div>

[Blast2hell]

oh you can paste that to the raid channel for each priest your watching and how much went to MT and ST?  Like right after the fight ended by doing the CTRL+V command?

[Amey]

<DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/view_profile?user.id=147435" target=_blank><SPAN>Zahmekoses</SPAN></A>  said "hm, so you are using your damage spells in raids and your pally is healing ?"<BR><BR>Oh shi we not meant to do anything when heals are up, debuffs / mark etc cast and health not dropping?? Hell and there was me daring to cast my hammer /spank me :smileyindifferent:</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Amey on <SPAN class=date_text>06-23-2006</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>06:43 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Amey on <span class=date_text>06-23-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:43 PM</span>

[Sokolov]

<blockquote><hr>Blast2hell wrote:<div></div>oh you can paste that to the raid channel for each priest your watching and how much went to MT and ST?  Like right after the fight ended by doing the CTRL+V command?<hr></blockquote><div></div>Oh, no, no pasting like that.  (I don't like pasting heals anyway, just causes whining about Wards <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />)  Altho it can spit out HTML files and upload it via FTP to a website for you which can be accessed that way.But it has the information if you go and look.  Your's would be faster tho for that purpose, certainly, since it's designed for that, whereas ACT just happens to track target and origin of everything.

[MistrNole]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Imagikka wrote:<BR> <DIV>Recently started running a heal parser during raids - I love it!  ( Thanks Blast!!! )  A few of us have a bit of a competition during the raid to see who is at the top of course lol.  So far, my highest parse for a single combat session was just over 225k.  Just curious to see what everyone else could do <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I've parsed over 250k on a Lyceum raid before, but that was without a mystic to ward heh.

[Blast2hell]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sokolov wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Blast2hell wrote:<BR> oh you can paste that to the raid channel for each priest your watching and how much went to MT and ST?  Like right after the fight ended by doing the CTRL+V command?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Oh, no, no pasting like that.  (I don't like pasting heals anyway, just causes whining about Wards <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />)  Altho it can spit out HTML files and upload it via FTP to a website for you which can be accessed that way.<BR><BR>But it has the information if you go and look.  Your's would be faster tho for that purpose, certainly, since it's designed for that, whereas ACT just happens to track target and origin of everything.<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Oh ok, yeah I know he has an excellent port to html for the logged data.  It's just an all around excellent parser.  For a second there ya had me thinking he updated his paste abilities.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yeah my program log on records what the values were at each reset of the parser.  But it writes it to notepad.    Our guild uses the ACT program quite a bit.   Personally I wouldn't mind incorporating some of his ideas in mine, but I really want to keep my program down to just two threads like it is now.  </DIV>

[Skurry]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sokolov wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Blast2hell wrote:<BR> oh you can paste that to the raid channel for each priest your watching and how much went to MT and ST?  Like right after the fight ended by doing the CTRL+V command?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Oh, no, no pasting like that.  (I don't like pasting heals anyway, just causes whining about Wards <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />)  <BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>You do know that wards are getting logged now since LU23?

[Sokolov]

Yes.... hence the whining if pasted?<div></div>

[Dillin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Blast2hell wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sokolov wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Blast2hell wrote:<BR> oh you can paste that to the raid channel for each priest your watching and how much went to MT and ST?  Like right after the fight ended by doing the CTRL+V command?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Oh, no, no pasting like that.  (I don't like pasting heals anyway, just causes whining about Wards <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />)  Altho it can spit out HTML files and upload it via FTP to a website for you which can be accessed that way.<BR><BR>But it has the information if you go and look.  Your's would be faster tho for that purpose, certainly, since it's designed for that, whereas ACT just happens to track target and origin of everything.<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Oh ok, yeah I know he has an excellent port to html for the logged data.  It's just an all around excellent parser.  For a second there ya had me thinking he updated his paste abilities.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yeah my program log on records what the values were at each reset of the parser.  But it writes it to notepad.    Our guild uses the ACT program quite a bit.   Personally I wouldn't mind incorporating some of his ideas in mine, but I really want to keep my program down to just two threads like it is now.  </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I used his heal parser on raids over the weekend.  Works pretty well.  Ironically, since eeryone could see what healers were doing what, we were much more successful...  Amazing how that works out.  lol</P>

[EQAditu]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Sokolov wrote:Yes.... hence the whining if pasted?<hr></blockquote>lol, I guess he was just confusing the shaman-are-on-top whining with the wards-are-not-parsed whining...  an easy mistake considering one replaced the other immediately <span>:smileyhappy:</span><hr size="2" width="100%">Anyhow, I've been somewhat following along...  I'm uncertain if I will ever add the functionality discussed above for the simple reason that no one has requested it.  I spoke with Blast once in passing about it, and I just didn't quite see it in the scope of my program to add randomly.Though he's right about specialized programs being lighter weight.  Despite ACT today probably not taking more CPU time than ACT v1.0 took, it will take more time than "lighter" programs partially because ACT looks for maybe 3-4x more things in the log file, and the sorting of data into its nested categories apparently takes a lot.<div></div>

[JoelKans]

So many topics on one thread. I was in guild where I was in MT group all the time. Often parsed well over 200K. Have since gone to guild where I am in wizzy or off off tank group still can get to the top of the parser occasionally. Templars rise to the top in very long fights. As long as we can keep the mana coming. The new ACT does show wards now. What I am trying to figure out is how to get the Mini-parser to do : Healed, Healed% etc. then it could be pasted. I really want to be able to post heals , I think it can help with learning to fight the new content efficiently.  Or is there another way to paste it? I am going to try this parser for healers and see what its like. Haven't used it before. (PriestHealParser)

[Raistlan]

Ok, first for the pasting in ACT, i use  - {n}{name} {healed}HPH | {extdps}dpsHeal % doesn't really matter to me or the guild, so I leave that out.  The dps inclusion is so I dont spam a good 15 lines of people who did no healing, this way it pastes about the top 7 healers, and considering my guild only takes 6 healers practically everywhere, this suits us fine.  Just replace the {extdps} with {healed%} to change it over to showing healing percentages if you prefer it that way.For the mini-parse- {name}----{healed} HPH {healed%}, {extdps} DPS{n}{n}This works out to be a hybrid heal/dps parse, showing something like Karia ---- 57900HPH 42%, 0.00 DPSMystic ---- 43000HPH 35%, 0.00 DPSThe original settings in there have the name and combat data on seperate lines, i condensed them to one line so I can see the entire raids dps on the mini parse at once.<div></div>

[EQAditu]

<div></div>This is probably closer in topic than my original post...  I was looking at a merged parse of Death Toll...   Allies: (01:36:36) 5612545hp   Defiler 1128671hp 20%   Warden 817637hp 14%   Warden 764159hp 13%   Templar 646111hp 11%   Mystic 626911hp 11%   Inquisitor 601122hp 10%   Templar 504304hp 8%So I got half of what the defiler did, but I beat the Mystic, right?  Well, it wasn't really what my point was going to be.  I was curious how much each healer type depended on their specialty and how much other things.<blockquote><font size="1">MT Defiler healing breakdown:<i><b>42% Single Ward, 34% Group Ward, </b></i>10% Ward Pet, 7% Magic Ward from Miti Buff, <u>5% Direct Heals, </u>2% Scepter ProcMT Warden healing breakdown:<i><b>35% Group Regen, </b></i>18% Elemental Ward, 12% Group Direct Heal, <u>17% Direct Heals, </u>5% Reactive Proc Regen(Spores), 2% Regen PetWarden healing breakdown:<i><b>33% Single Regen, </b></i>23% Group Direct Heal, <u>20% Direct Heals, </u><i><b>10% Group Regen, </b></i>7% Elemental Ward, 2% Regen PetMT Templar healing breakdown:<i><b>50% Reactive (nearly 100% group react), </b></i>13% Group Direct Heal, <u>22% Direct Heals, </u>10% Armor/Weapon heal procs (love healing procs =P)Mystic healing breakdown:<i><b>36% Single Ward, </b></i>28% Group Direct Heal, <i><b>9% Group Ward</b></i>, 9% Noxious Ward, <u>9% Direct Heals, </u>4% Wards of the Eidolon?, 4% Trauma ward from Miti buff, 2% Heal PetInquisitor healing breakdown:29% Group Direct Heal, <u>38% Direct Healing, </u><i><b>14% Reactive (Single or Group), </b></i>12% Convert AllyTemplar healing breakdown:37% Group Direct Heal, <i><b>22% Reactive (Single or Group), </b></i><u>18% Direct Heals, </u>9% Mark of Nobility (wee), 5% Weapon/Armor Healing procs, 4% Involuntary Curate</font></blockquote>It seems that specialty heals help getting on top of parses, BUT while other classes need direct heals to remotely catch up, Shaman don't.  But maybe DT is a bad example with so much need for group heals on trash.  Even the non-MT Mystic uses group heals a lot.<div></div>