Templar Class Hat- Opinions?

[Dillin]

<DIV>If you guys haven't seen it yet, it can be viewed here:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eq2.crgaming.com/viewarticle.asp?Article=10717" target=_blank>http://eq2.crgaming.com/viewarticle.asp?Article=10717</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So what do you guys think?  IMO, they could have done better.  The Guardian one looks awesome and so does the Dirge... why do we have to get the ehh one?  Then again, I play a Kerra so all helmets look a little cooler on Kerra.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Cybst0rm on <span class=date_text>06-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:14 PM</span>

[Jebaris]

I thought there was a pope looking one?<p>Message Edited by Jebaris on <span class=date_text>06-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:28 AM</span>

[Spondulix]

The pope looking one is the inquisitor class helm. I'm kinda dissapointed in how they made the templar class hat look. I'd rather run around with a dunce cap on, so you won't be catching me running around with /showhelm ...

[Kabil]

From the way it sounds, you may have your choice between the winged helm and the new squire / plate helm.I personally dont see it that bad compared to others .. but I dont want us to have the same hat as Inquisitors.  Then we would have something else to complain about.<div></div>

[Kendricke]

<P><IMG src="http://www.legion-whiterose.com/screenshots/previews/helms/templar-helm1.jpg"></P> <P><IMG src="http://www.legion-whiterose.com/screenshots/previews/helms/templar-helm2.jpg"></P> <P><IMG src="http://www.legion-whiterose.com/screenshots/previews/helms/templar-helm3.jpg"></P> <P> </P> <P>Thos are some more pictures I have.  I should point out that the look is actually quite traditional for some of the looks of crusading nobles.  The "rope" design was quite common amongst some of the higher ranks of Jerusulem knights.</P> <P>For example, here are some comparison pictures of various Europeon and Near Asian armors from that time, or based upon armors of the time:</P> <P> </P> <P> <IMG src="http://www.ageofarmour.com/images/tturkish.jpg"> <IMG src="http://www.turkishculture.org/thumbnails/helmet2.jpg"> </P> <P><IMG src="http://www.ruble-enterprises.com/image_page/armour/lobstertail_p.jpg"> <IMG src="http://www.ruble-enterprises.com/image_page/cabasset_s.jpg"></P> <P> </P> <P>The "rope", as many of you referred to it, actually seems comparable to a heraldic "wreath", worn by knights of the time to hold their mantling in place.  The wreath was, itself, a badge of position and prestige, and marked the wearer as a soldier of respected lineage. </P> <P><IMG src="http://adamastorshire.co.za/chronicler/stormtidings/archive/heraldry/helmet.jpg"> <IMG src="http://www.ageofarmour.com/images/tbprincecrest2.jpg"> <IMG src="http://www.ancestryuk.com/Heraldry_description.JPG"></P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Dillin]

<DIV>This is a Fantasy game.  If we're going for historical reality I'd like a kite shield and sword thank you...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>SOE needs to decide the way they are going.  My armor is starting to look like rainbow bright but we're going for a historical look?  Yeah... it blends</DIV><p>Message Edited by Cybst0rm on <span class=date_text>06-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:38 PM</span>

[Loral]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cybst0rm wrote:<BR> <DIV>The Guardian one looks awesome and so does the Dirge... </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Can I say that I find it hilarious that you have the exact opposite reaction if you go on Dirge and Guardian forums? They all find the other helms nicer than their own.</P> <P>How does it go? The grass is greener...</P>

[Kendricke]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cybst0rm wrote:<BR> <DIV>This is a Fantasy game.  If we're going for historical reality I'd like a kite shield and sword thank you...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>SOE needs to decide the way they are going.  My armor is starting to look like rainbow bright but we're going for a historical look?  Yeah... it blends</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>The helm is certainly similar to many of the helms I brought up, but it's not dead on accurate.  It's a completely unique design, over and beyond what existed historically.  However, that said, I would prefer that my high fantasy have SOME historical realism tossed in the mix.  Otherwise, I'd be wading into battles with orcs wearing my <STRONG><EM>Kanazuchi Heavy Battle Armor!!!!*</EM></STRONG>:</P> <P align=center><IMG src="http://www.solaris7.net/battlenet/kurita/graficos/kanazuchi.gif"></P> <P align=center><EM>"Hail to thee Lord Marr, as I smite thy foes with thine mighty Pulse Laser!"</EM></P> <P align=center><EM></EM> </P> <P align=center><EM></EM> </P> <P align=left><EM><FONT size=1>* - This is from Mechwarrior RPG, NOT World of Warcraft.  I can understand how some might be confused, however.</FONT>  </EM></P>

[Kabil]

I was not confused .. your awesome armor does not look like it was drawn in crayon.I like the look of the new helm .. will give me something else to work on )Is this changing all of the helms ? Such as .. Plate helm of the Ether - drop from Vault Plate helm of the Hooluk (or whatever its really called ) (looks like a feathery helm right now .. only more helmet shaped)Relic HelmFIrebrand Helm Just curious if they are all going to have this look , or if there is a specific one ?<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Thanks<div></div>

[Athellias]

<DIV><IMG height=400 src="http://www.jordan.pausd.org/department/public/art~mmedia/portraitquest2004/hilary/portraitquest/walrobinson5-1-4.jpg" width=282></DIV>

[MadisonPark]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jebaris wrote:<BR> I thought there was a pope looking one? <P>Message Edited by Jebaris on <SPAN class=date_text>06-08-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:28 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I don't know if there are others, but there is one that we can wear.</P> <P><IMG src="http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/9171/eq20000735af.jpg"></P>

[Lord of Endor]

I personally like the Helm, it looks as if it will match my Firebrand Armor from Laboratory of Lord Vyemm very well.

[Big Da]

<DIV>My rule of thumb for if something looks stupid is to check out what remarks a 5 year old has to make about it... Templar hat far and away lands itself in the silly camp but it could be worse is suppose. Being my 2 main chars are a Templar and a Brigand im happy SOE gives us the option to turn off the Helm graphic!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oh and I am inclined to say that historical references don't support either side of an argument in a fantasy world, the game world is open to the whims of the EQ2 team after all. They will use as little or as much real world inspiration as the want. However it can be good to muse on where they have been gleaning their inspiration, I for one relish the idea of the armored bowler hat <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Kendricke]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Big Dave wrote:<BR> <DIV>However it can be good to muse on where they have been gleaning their inspiration, I for one relish the idea of the armored bowler hat <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>Ironically, many "modern" hat designs draw inspiration from traditional armors. 

[Big Da]

<P>That isn’t the most ironic statement I’ve ever heard and I can sense Ken's urge to research the origins of the bowler hat :smileywink:<BR></P> <P>I won't even go in to what the teenager of the house said it looked like, but I think at that age everything follows a theme!</P> <P><BR>Jokes aside it’s a wait and see situation I suppose, the Templar community isn’t the most shy of the forum. I’m sure a little debate may stir when it hits live.</P> <P><BR>Right now I don’t like it, but that’s just me … I think the char in the screenshots looks a tad silly, but people have the option of showing it or not so it doesn’t matter in the end</P>

[Analviper]

<DIV>Anything beats The PINK AND GOLD plate helm of ether... as if templars dont have enough on our plates we now have to be the Fairies of Norrath! =P</DIV>

[SenorPhrog]

I've been turning off my hats for 30 levels now at least.  This one....eh...it may grow on me.  I'm more interested in the stats than how it looks personally.<div></div>

[Dillin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Big Dave wrote:<BR> <P>I won't even go in to what the teenager of the house said it looked like, but I think at that age everything follows a theme!</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>OMG... your right I didn't even see it at first.  Come on SOE... people already think that of me, I don't need to look like it too.

[potatotr0ll]

My wife is a templar.  I agree with her when she almost cryed seeing the new templar helmet.  She hates it, so do I.  She was looking forward to getting the  pope hat.  I think she described the new templar helmet the best.  Its a giant condom hat, just don't have the little tip on the top of it.  Its nice to see new helms in the game, but the Templar helmet is very very bad.  just our opinion <div></div>

[Kendricke]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> potatotr0ll wrote:<BR>I think she described the new templar helmet the best.  Its a giant condom hat, just don't have the little tip on the top of it. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Don't take her to a museum then.  I think you'd be amazed at the phallic references you can find if you just look at hundreds of years of armoring history.  Seriously, I get the whole "OMG- P3N1S HELM!" references.  I think everyone does. </P> <P>Can we graduate to fart jokes now? </P> <P><BR> </P>

[moosie94]

<DIV>Our guild decided to all meet at hoolah in order to see the new class elms.....The guardian thought he looked like a rooster.....The Beserker just started laughing outloud at the Viking horns....then I grabbed my templar class helm...By a unanimous decision, I got voted worst class helm...Not to mention I was the butt of many many many condom jokes.... I just love running around looking like the head of a condom...I think it would be safe for me to say that I will not be showing off my new helm =)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lunaa 70 Templar Mistmoore server guild Oroborus</DIV>

[MadisonPark]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> potatotr0ll wrote:<BR>...   She was looking forward to getting the  pope hat. ... <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Unfortunately, unless there are others, the pope hat is no longer obtainable- as it dropped of Haraghur the Deathless; whom no longer has a loot table.<BR>

[Lites]

They keep us waiting for months and then they produce this horrible looking hat??SOE graphic designers SUCK bigtime is all I want to say.

[dragontamer619]

<P>Well I like it!  I like how no other class has it (or wants it).  You can laugh and call me the Trojan Man, but we'll see who gets the last laugh when you are dead and I am not.  =P  I'll get a screenshot of my Ogre sporting this new skullbucket and toss it up here.<BR><BR>I would of liked the pope hat, but the Inquistors got it first.  So we got something else that fits the Templar theme.  As Kendricke pointed out.  What would you really expect to see?  A halo? Dudes we are divine and all, but we aren't that divine.  </P>

[Spiritunico]

<DIV>Being a Ratonga I still want to see a Ratonga wearing one of these before I will make a judgement on it. ^_^</DIV>

[Kabil]

Any word on whether or not they are going to change the rest of the cleric helm graphics ? Such as Helm of the EtharFirebrand Helm ?  <div></div>

[Toli]

<DIV>If I actually took my character's appearance seriously I would simply disable the helm graphic for the Hoolooh hat. I keep it on for comedy value, because it really does like a novelty form of birth control and I'm taunted about it constantly, immature as it might be - how anyone can take that thing seriously is beyond me... but hey, tis just a hat, and it matches the rest of my clown suit marvelously. The comedy value doesn't necessarily come from its phallic shape, one can easily ignore the crude jokes - the thing simply looks ridiculous. I've had some strange outfits in my time but this hat ranks among the most camp thing I've ever seen in game. I wear it to make my character look as ridiculous as possible, right now I don't have to change any of my gear to achieve this :p</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Athellias]

<p>The hat looks better with my solo armor with the same tones. The shape doesn't look as bad with my fat head. I'm slowly growing partial to it.</p><p>Edit: removed dead link</p>

[DeadGopher]

<DIV>Personally, I am relieved that we did not get a pope-like hat.  I do not think a cloth hat is appropriate for a plate armor wearing, battle cleric.  Unless maybe you're holding a church service on the battlefield.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The new Templar helm graphic strikes a nice balance between "protective plate-helm" and "priestly nobility."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Adamos</DIV> <DIV>70 Templar</DIV>

[Zabumt]

<DIV>My main problem with the hat is that my beard and the tips of my ears cut through the side of the model and show.  For that reason, I still refuse to show it.  I was hoping they'd take my advice when I made a post saying that if you create a helm with sides at the face that our beards and ears don't stick out.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Kabil]

<div><blockquote><hr>ADAM0S wrote:<div>Personally, I am relieved that we did not get a pope-like hat.  I do not think a cloth hat is appropriate for a plate armor wearing, battle cleric.  Unless maybe you're holding a church service on the battlefield.</div> <div> </div> <div>The new Templar helm graphic strikes a nice balance between "protective plate-helm" and "priestly nobility."</div> <div> </div> <div>Adamos</div> <div>70 Templar</div><hr></blockquote>I agree with you 100%I just with there was a way we could turn in our other helms for that graphic.  I was really excited we got the new one but I honestly dont wear the Hoo'luk helm over my Helm of the Ether due to the fact that I love the free heal and its got more mit / certain resists / power / health.  If anyone has found a way to switch graphics on the Helm of the Ether please let us know.</div>

[DeadGopher]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zabumtik wrote:<BR> <DIV>My main problem with the hat is that my beard and the tips of my ears cut through the side of the model and show.  For that reason, I still refuse to show it.  I was hoping they'd take my advice when I made a post saying that if you create a helm with sides at the face that our beards and ears don't stick out.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Get a haircut and a bath you hairy, stinky dwarf!  :smileytongue:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Adamos</DIV>

[ChiannieDev]

<P>Our class hat is ugly beyond the ability of words to convey.</P> <P>I would like a nice cute pink headband as the Templar head piece.</P>

[Schmoogles]

<DIV>when is this change happening?  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Firebrand Helmet, Plate Helm of the Ether look the same different colors </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Truefaith Cap and Hoo-loh hat look the same </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Helm of Epochal Expirations - pope hat </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have all of these hats I actually use them all depending on what I'm fighting. I prob don't use my Hoo-loh hat ever but all the other ones I use all the time. </DIV>

[Zabumt]

<DIV>For the relic and hoo hat, you have to visit the npc that gives out the hat and get the updated version.  I did mine for my relic hat and I found that I had to bring the hat to my inventory before I could exchange it.  I couldn't actually be wearing it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Dillin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zabumtik wrote:<BR> <DIV>For the relic and hoo hat, you have to visit the npc that gives out the hat and get the updated version.  I did mine for my relic hat and I found that I had to bring the hat to my inventory before I could exchange it.  I couldn't actually be wearing it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Yeah, that is annoying too.  For Relic, it's pretty easy for me.  I had 3 Relic pieces made at the same time so I have 3 of those return orb blobby things (And still haven't updated it).  FOr Hoo'La though I made it all the way to him but had left the hat in my bank, very annoying that we have to go talk to someone because SOE didn't have the graphic in the first place.  I guess that's their idea of "challenging content", get a new praphic and have to go to the quest giver to get it... nice job.</P>

[Kendricke]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cybst0rm wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zabumtik wrote:<BR> <DIV>For the relic and hoo hat, you have to visit the npc that gives out the hat and get the updated version.  I did mine for my relic hat and I found that I had to bring the hat to my inventory before I could exchange it.  I couldn't actually be wearing it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Yeah, that is annoying too.  For Relic, it's pretty easy for me.  I had 3 Relic pieces made at the same time so I have 3 of those return orb blobby things (And still haven't updated it).  FOr Hoo'La though I made it all the way to him but had left the hat in my bank, very annoying that we have to go talk to someone because SOE didn't have the graphic in the first place.  I guess that's their idea of "challenging content", get a new praphic and have to go to the quest giver to get it... nice job.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>To my knowledge, they made it this way to give players a choice of which graphic to use or keep.  The alternative would be to simply make all of the helms change - whether you wanted it or not.</P> <P> </P>

[Dillin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kendricke wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cybst0rm wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zabumtik wrote:<BR> <DIV>For the relic and hoo hat, you have to visit the npc that gives out the hat and get the updated version.  I did mine for my relic hat and I found that I had to bring the hat to my inventory before I could exchange it.  I couldn't actually be wearing it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Yeah, that is annoying too.  For Relic, it's pretty easy for me.  I had 3 Relic pieces made at the same time so I have 3 of those return orb blobby things (And still haven't updated it).  FOr Hoo'La though I made it all the way to him but had left the hat in my bank, very annoying that we have to go talk to someone because SOE didn't have the graphic in the first place.  I guess that's their idea of "challenging content", get a new praphic and have to go to the quest giver to get it... nice job.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>To my knowledge, they made it this way to give players a choice of which graphic to use or keep.  The alternative would be to simply make all of the helms change - whether you wanted it or not.</P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>If they had completed the graphics in the first place it wouldn't have mattered would it?

[Kendricke]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cybst0rm wrote:<BR>If they had completed the graphics in the first place it wouldn't have mattered would it?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>No, it would not have, now would it.  Of course, had they never released the expansion at all, it wouldn't have mattered, now would it?  Had they never created Everquest 2 in the first place, it wouldn't have mattered, either.  If they had never decided against law school, it wouldn't have mattered either. </P> <P>There's a lot of "what if" scenarios that can be argued.  The problem is that none of them are relevant here.  What happened, happened.  You can't change the past.  You can learn from it.  You can attempt to avoid mistakes that occured in the past.  You can't revist the past and alter it. </P> <P>So, given the situation they had, they choice to offer players a choice.  Are you really going to argue that giving players a choice was a bad idea? </P> <P> </P>

[Schmoogles]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zabumtik wrote:<BR> <DIV>For the relic and hoo hat, you have to visit the npc that gives out the hat and get the updated version.  I did mine for my relic hat and I found that I had to bring the hat to my inventory before I could exchange it.  I couldn't actually be wearing it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Thanks for the info. I didn't know why I didn't know this. lol