Proof Templars *aren't* the worst DPS in the game

[Wossname]

There I am, playing with Advanced Combat Tracker (v. nice parser btw) in the Hidden Cache while my group fights the named croc and this pops up as the mini-parse for the encounter:53 Swashbuckler 28480 | 290.6153 Warlock 20959 | 213.8756 Paladin 10813 | 110.3453 Warlock's Nightblood Dumbfire Pet 2731 | 27.8753 Templar 279 | 2.85bucket of fish 0 | 0.00As you can see, we have conclusive proof Templars can out damage scenery. Clearly we are Working As Intended (TM)!<div></div>

[Eriol]

<blockquote><hr>Wossname wrote:There I am, playing with Advanced Combat Tracker (v. nice parser btw) in the Hidden Cache while my group fights the named croc and this pops up as the mini-parse for the encounter:53 Swashbuckler 28480 | 290.6153 Warlock 20959 | 213.8756 Paladin 10813 | 110.3453 Warlock's Nightblood Dumbfire Pet 2731 | 27.8753 Templar 279 | 2.85bucket of fish 0 | 0.00As you can see, we have conclusive proof Templars can out damage scenery. Clearly we are Working As Intended (TM)!<hr></blockquote>lol

[rtoub]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Wossname wrote:There I am, playing with Advanced Combat Tracker (v. nice parser btw) in the Hidden Cache while my group fights the named croc and this pops up as the mini-parse for the encounter:53 Swashbuckler 28480 | 290.6153 Warlock 20959 | 213.8756 Paladin 10813 | 110.3453 Warlock's Nightblood Dumbfire Pet 2731 | 27.8753 Templar 279 | 2.85bucket of fish 0 | 0.00As you can see, we have conclusive proof Templars can out damage scenery. Clearly we are Working As Intended (TM)!<div></div><hr></blockquote>Sure but how much did the bucket of fish <strong><font color="#99ff00">heal</font></strong> for?<p>Message Edited by rtoub on <span class="date_text">03-02-2006</span><span class="time_text">04:09 PM</span></p>

[Caethre]

<div></div><p>OOC.</p><blockquote><hr>Wossname wrote:There I am, playing with Advanced Combat Tracker (v. nice parser btw) ...<hr></blockquote><p>Could you PM me with a link of where to get that parser? EQCompanion can't deal with Anna's Ring of Fire spell, it crashes, I need one that can cope hehe.</p><blockquote><hr>Wossname wrote:53 Templar 279 | 2.85bucket of fish 0 | 0.00<hr></blockquote><p>Not exactly fair. You chose a level 0 bucket of fish. Had you had a level 53 bucket ...</p><p> </p>

[faldorian viva]

<div></div><p>This test is not fair, the bucket of fish is only a casual bucket of fish.... if you had a hardcore raiding bucket of fish then it would show a big differance and Templars would be on the shallow end of the foodchain again.</p><p>So Devs please do not use this information to get a bucket of fish up to 500% our dps and equal healing.....:smileywink:</p>

[Nari]

<div></div><p>I bet that bucket could out-heal all of us templars put together.</p><p>Waaaaaaaah</p>

[Giallolas]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>faldorian vivace wrote:<div></div><p>This test is not fair, the bucket of fish is only a casual bucket of fish.... if you had a hardcore raiding bucket of fish then it would show a big differance and Templars would be on the shallow end of the foodchain again.</p><p>So Devs please do not use this information to get a bucket of fish up to 500% our dps and equal healing.....:smileywink:</p><hr></blockquote>Lol, this is quite funny.  Andy I do like what faldorian has to say.  It rings too true.  Bucket of fish is more nature related so it should get best utility, best priest dps, and equal heals.  Hehe, too funny.

[Jida]

<div><span><a target="_blank" href="http://home.maine.rr.com/eqaditu/ACT/">http://home.maine.rr.com/eqaditu/ACT/</a>More fun if everyone gets to play with the tracker.<blockquote><hr>Caethre wrote:<div></div><p>OOC.</p><blockquote><hr>Wossname wrote:There I am, playing with Advanced Combat Tracker (v. nice parser btw) ...<hr></blockquote><p><b>Could you PM me with a link of where to get that parser? EQCompanion can't deal with Anna's Ring of Fire spell, it crashes, I need one that can cope hehe.</b></p><blockquote><hr>Wossname wrote:53 Templar 279 | 2.85bucket of fish 0 | 0.00<hr></blockquote><p>Not exactly fair. You chose a level 0 bucket of fish. Had you had a level 53 bucket ...</p><p> </p><hr></blockquote></span></div>

[Dillin]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Wossname wrote:There I am, playing with Advanced Combat Tracker (v. nice parser btw) in the Hidden Cache while my group fights the named croc and this pops up as the mini-parse for the encounter:53 Swashbuckler 28480 | 290.6153 Warlock 20959 | 213.8756 Paladin 10813 | 110.3453 Warlock's Nightblood Dumbfire Pet 2731 | 27.8753 Templar 279 | 2.85bucket of fish 0 | 0.00As you can see, we have conclusive proof Templars can out damage scenery. Clearly we are Working As Intended (TM)!<div></div><hr></blockquote>Hahahahaha, that's awesome!

[Whitemane]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>faldorian vivace wrote:<div></div><p>This test is not fair, the bucket of fish is only a casual bucket of fish.... if you had a hardcore raiding bucket of fish then it would show a big differance and Templars would be on the shallow end of the foodchain again.</p><p>So Devs please do not use this information to get a bucket of fish up to 500% our dps and equal healing.....:smileywink:</p><hr></blockquote><p>Hehehehe</p><p> </p>

[Sokolov]

Obviously doctored! ><<div></div>

[Dillin]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Sokolov wrote:Obviously doctored! ><<div></div><hr></blockquote>He's right.  There is no way a Templars DPS is that high.  :smileyvery-happy:

[Sokolov]

LOL<div></div>

[Zethallon]

<font color="#ffff33"><font size="3"><font face="Arial">Great thread, thanks for putting this up there.  BTW, love the quote Giallolas! <span>:smileytongue:</span></font></font></font><div></div>

[Diapause]

<div></div><p>I just peed my pants... lol</p><p>Diapause - Lvl61 Templar (Nek)</p>

[nekocat]

nice lolbtw templar auto attack damage is not bad<div></div>

[Giallolas]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>nekocatzz wrote:nice lolbtw templar auto attack damage is not bad<div></div><hr></blockquote>Hehe, compared to what?  A bucket of fish?

[Blast2hell]

<div></div>Crap, I need better gear, I've never out DPSed the bucket of fish.  I suck.

[Espyderman]

<div>yea like we supposed to dps anyways</div>

[Xaax]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Espyderman wrote:<div>yea like we supposed to dps anyways</div><hr></blockquote>We are and SoE says so by putting solo only content into the game.

[scooc]

<div></div><p>[Removed for Content] I almost pi*sed myself at work.</p><p> </p><p>Ceeara Templar Nerfed</p><p>Blackburrow</p>

[Salaena1000]

<div></div>Oh yeah thats about all we can out damage is scenery or dirt.. they hav emade templars the biggest darn joke in the game.. other classes out heal us, out damage us.. out buff us.. nobody even wants us around even for raids anymore.. it makes me physcially ill that i wasted all the time making a 61 templar who is totally [Removed for Content] useless in the game. I think it is disgusting that somone had such a hate on for the templar class and such a hard on for the fury class and totally gave the fury all the best heals.. and AE nukes and made the templar useless. I can stand next to a fury of the same level as me we both doing writs in SS, takes her 15 minutes and me 3 hours.. to kill the same exact mobs.. so maddening i could just puke! Im about ready to go play D&D online at least they like clerics there!

[Kendricke]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Salaena1000 wrote:<div></div>Oh yeah thats about all we can out damage is scenery or dirt.. they hav emade templars the biggest darn joke in the game..<hr></blockquote><p>Two words:  "Turn Undead". </p><p>I'm starting to toy with our Wisdom line for soloing, and though it's situational...it's crazy how much damage you can put out up front with this Achievement.</p><p> </p>

[Giallolas]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Salaena1000 wrote:<div></div>Oh yeah thats about all we can out damage is scenery or dirt.. they hav emade templars the biggest darn joke in the game.. other classes out heal us, out damage us.. out buff us.. nobody even wants us around even for raids anymore.. it makes me physcially ill that i wasted all the time making a 61 templar who is totally [Removed for Content] useless in the game. I think it is disgusting that somone had such a hate on for the templar class and such a hard on for the fury class and totally gave the fury all the best heals.. and AE nukes and made the templar useless. I can stand next to a fury of the same level as me we both doing writs in SS, takes her 15 minutes and me 3 hours.. to kill the same exact mobs.. so maddening i could just puke! Im about ready to go play D&D online at least they like clerics there!<hr></blockquote>Sal, you've got to relax, dude.  Getting all worked up like this is going to drive ya crazy.  I know there's problems with the temp dps, and the current fix solution is to buy it back with AA's.  Should these fixes have been done with game mechanics and then they use AA's to flavor those fixes?  Yessir.  This is frustrating, sure.  But to quit and get angry at a community of people, not even worth it.  This game is in a total state of change.  If you don't like it today, wait a couple weeks and come back and play the new version <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.

[Dillin]

<div></div>This started out as such a funny thread.  :smileysad:

[BozEuge]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Kendricke wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Salaena1000 wrote:<div></div>Oh yeah thats about all we can out damage is scenery or dirt.. they hav emade templars the biggest darn joke in the game..<hr></blockquote><p>Two words:  "Turn Undead". </p><p>I'm starting to toy with our Wisdom line for soloing, and though it's situational...it's crazy how much damage you can put out up front with this Achievement.</p><p> </p><hr></blockquote><p>don't make me laught about our dps please.</p><p>i posted on quest forum about my experiment last night during trial of spirit quest. can check details here : <a target="_blank" href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=quest&message.id=105327#M105327">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=quest&message.id=105327#M105327</a></p><p>to make short. for an epic quest, one part is a solo instance. we made it with 4 friend in parallel (first parts where group stuff). all are same level of equipment/spell. result of the night  :</p><p>. Wizzy made it in 20 minute</p><p>. SK / Dirge made it in 35 minute</p><p>. Templar made it in ... 1h30. during this time, others logged off, bored to wait for me</p><p>so, you can repeat "we perfect, we need nothing, stop crying...", it can be your opinion, it's not mine and not the one of lots of us.</p><p>as long as we are in group or raid, it's ok. we do only two stuff, i.e. healing/buffing, but we do it well. at least as well as other priests</p><p>when we are forced to solo for quest (was same stuff for peacock quest/neck quest during dof), we sucks hard</p><p>and for theses quest, the "use turn undead" argument is flawed : if quest NPC say kill mob X, i can't answer him "let me kill mob Y instead because mob X isn't undead and my dps is a joke on X"</p><p>until the joke we call dps is fixed on a way or another, i'll continue to not solo on my main char, except if really forced.</p>

[Kendricke]

<div></div><div></div><p>I guess you missed the word "situational" there, right?  :smileywink:  If you don't like Turn Undead, there's also several other Achievements which boost our damage output.  Are we going to do the same damage as wizards or mages?  Absolutely not.  However, we have the ability to perform more damage through Achievements - far more than many Templars may realize.</p><p>Situationally (there's that word again), I've pulled down hundreds (plural) of damage soloing recently.  It's not a typical situation by any means, but it is quite possible.</p><p>While we're on the subject of what you may have overlooked, I suppose you may want to read Ilicide's post in your thread where he's going to look into possibly adjusting the specific quest you had issues with. </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Message Edited by Kendricke on <span class="date_text">03-09-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:14 PM</span></p>

[BozEuge]

<div></div><div>Illucide is a nice guy, and he will fix the quest because it's on what he works</div><div>as he said clearly, he's not the people working on spells/class, so he won't touch it</div><div> </div><div>so, this quest will be fixed, it's a good step. it was possible because he can change the buff you wear for quest duration.</div><div> </div><div>it won't solve all other quests where solo is needed, or make my friend stop laughing when they see me soloing to advance a quest</div><div> </div><div> </div>

[Kendricke]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>BozEugene wrote:<div></div><div> </div><div>it won't solve all other quests where solo is needed, or make my friend stop laughing when they see me soloing to advance a quest</div><div><hr></div></blockquote><p>Then continue to point out issues with specific solo rated quests. </p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p>

[Wossname]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Cybst0rm wrote:<div></div>This started out as such a funny thread.  :smileysad:<hr></blockquote>Fear not, I am on the hunt for further scenery to out-do on the DPS front. I reckon I might be able to beat one of those mushroom pets if I can goad it into fighting <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></div>

[Razorbak]

<div></div><p>Back to the bucket of fish</p><p>Can you just imagine what a Bucket of Fish with Adept 3 would be like? just plain murder!</p>

[Wossname]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Razorbak wrote:<div></div><p>Back to the bucket of fish</p><p>Can you just imagine what a Bucket of Fish with Adept 3 would be like? just plain murder!</p><hr></blockquote>Be afraid, that bucket of fish will have master 2 choices at 14, 24, 34, .....</span></div>

[Idoru]

Hmm, maybe I should make a sigfile:"Hey chin up Sister Mary-Jane, you can outdamage that bucket of fish."<div></div>

[Vesu]

<span><blockquote><hr>Wossname wrote:There I am, playing with Advanced Combat Tracker (v. nice parser btw) in the Hidden Cache while my group fights the named croc and this pops up as the mini-parse for the encounter:53 Swashbuckler 28480 | 290.6153 Warlock 20959 | 213.8756 Paladin 10813 | 110.3453 Warlock's Nightblood Dumbfire Pet 2731 | 27.8753 Templar 279 | 2.85bucket of fish 0 | 0.00As you can see, we have conclusive proof Templars can out damage scenery. Clearly we are Working As Intended (TM)!<div></div><hr></blockquote>NICE I AM GLAD WE DID NOT GET BEAT BY THE BUCKET OF FISH CAUSE THAT WOULD CALL FOR A PETITION <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span></span><div></div>

[Spudsin]

ahhh, but you missed the important bit. That bucket of fish required no healing, itgets the infinite resists ,mitigation and armor at level 0so you see, it was slumming, looking for  rare harvests for it's crafting<div></div>

[faldorian viva]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><p>Not sure about the buckets of fish on your server, but on mine they mostly all are notorious ninjalooters.... this combined with their abnormally high resist rates and such.... well ...we should go .... ermm ....</p><p> </p><p>yeah, we should go on a strike... till we are better then all the buckets of fish around the world.</p><p>I HAVE A DREAM....</p><p> where oddysee takes me whereever i want... within 3 seconds (includes loading time)</p><p>where reactives not only heal, but also restores power (for the target and the caster)</p><p>where templar loot is auto dropped every 3 loots, (don't care if that means mob dropped or simply fall out of the sky ACME(tm) style)</p><p>where we not only get the hammer, but a legion of Bob the Builder tools to vanquish our enemies.(summon holy screwdriver of vengeance, which would actually mean we get a piercing skill also i guess)</p><p>where group looking for healer is turned into /ooc group looking for templar if we haven't found a templar in the next 30 minutes furies may send a tell... (sweet dream indeed)</p><p>where we get the spell "summon eyes" for FoL zone ....(actually fearing this spell would put Godking on strike though, so may be not this since there must be balance in the game...... pfff... yeah right..... mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine)</p><p>where we....a what the heck... forget the legion lets just get Bob the Builder as a pet. </p><p>where AA's can be bought for duel wielding 2 handers because, well after a short pray spell (10 secs) you are granted divine strenght for the rest of the day thus being able to duel wield the 2 handers.</p><p>where omg i can wield swords..... (by what crazy logic can't i touch a sword.....let alone wield one.)</p><p>where master spells templar style .......are like .... actually dropped.</p><p>where templars get the love and respect they so very much deserve.</p><p>where templars get "summon nerfbat" to make sure the one above here is applied.</p><p>where instead of summoning a pet, it is possible to train a wombat to be your loyal companion... and when you then summon your acolyte, you get a much powerfull wombat cause he wants to show of for your lovely high elf female acolyte whom he secretly has a crush on since you trained him and such. (can insert also high elf male really i am fine with whatever your wombats' style is)</p><p>where smite can be applied zonewide every hour (doing 9k damage) (pvp server restricted)</p><p> </p><p>now untill all these demands are granted the WHOLE templar community will be on strike.... ..</p><p> </p><p>well at least 1 or 2... .. maybe ..... /emote hears the wind blow in the abandoned street</p><p> </p><p>Disclaimer: no high elfs or wombats were harmed during the writing of this post.</p><p>ps. i am very serious on this post</p><p>ps2. no, really i am</p><p>ps3. ok maybe, only a little.</p><p>ps4. maybe not, but "summon nerf bat" would still be a nice addition to my growing arsenal of deadly tools(no Bob the Builder hammer joke intended)</p><p>ps5. those countless edits have something to do with my very excellent english grammar skills (You Have Gotten Better At Writing English (3)  )..... yeah, they should be existing, but are hiding somewhere far away.</p><p>Message Edited by faldorian vivace on <span class="date_text">03-17-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:55 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by faldorian vivace on <span class="date_text">03-17-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:56 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by faldorian vivace on <span class="date_text">03-17-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:57 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by faldorian vivace on <span class="date_text">03-17-2006</span><span class="time_text">04:02 AM</span></p>