Retiring my templar indefinitely

[Gcha]

<DIV> <DIV>As I am a long-term cleric lover, this wasn’t really an easy decision, but for the duration of my stay in this game, which may be quite limited, my templar is henceforth relegated to harvester and money-maker for my other toons, which may make some of you happy =p <P>I fully realize that some of you are completely satisfied if the class is able to perform its designated task of healing by whatever means. That’s absolutely fine, I am not criticizing that. Each of us must seek what we enjoy. </P> <P>That isn’t good enough for me though. To me, this templar is not a cleric. It’s largely a proc vendor - a "passive" healer which mostly casts spells which do nothing until something else happens. We have an assortment of trick and lotto spells which should have been reserved for the desperation point when everyone reached 100 and there just weren’t any more spells to hand out. On top of that we were given an assortment of odds and ends which have nothing to do with clerics, e.g., translocate and mez. Cleric is the red-headed step-child in this game.</P> <P>The simple reality is that my other toons are more fun, a concept which isn’t allowed in this forum, and isn’t even understood by some. In particular, I am having more fun with my Fury than I ever had with my templar. Note I am not saying that the Fury is better, equal, or worse - simply that I find it more fun. It’s complement of spells make sense and work well to together, and, when I cast a heal, it, well, HEALS. The Fury’s healing is clearly at least adequate, it solos a lot better, and its utility spells are more useful and logical. With a Fury you feel like you’re actually doing something, rather than just casting spells and waiting for the right event to happen or debuffs of highly questionable value.</P> <P>At present I see no hope of anything being done for the templar which will be of any significance to me. If there ever was any hope of significant improvement, it is diminished by the conditions in this forum, where only discussion approved by one person is allowed and everything else is drowned out by thousands of posts. And I see no hope that the moderators will do anything about this. Most of the posters I respected have quit the forum already in frustration. In short, the input here is entirely one-sided and will continue to be.</P> <P>As I have said before I do feel that a major game revamp is again in the works. It’s in the tea leaves in various places. Who knows ... maybe if I have nothing better to do I will check in six months to see if this class has been improved.</P> <P>For those of you who like things as they are, you have my best wishes. By all means enjoy it while you can, as change is coming. Remember where you heard it. </P></DIV></DIV>

[zorbdan]

I have to say I feel the same way you do about the class in general. I started playing my templar less and less before Cu13 and DoF I was lvl 50 and things were getting boring. Then #13 hit, I had to play him a bit more after because of the revamp and wanting to re-learn the new skills etc.. The new Templar was really no better off was the result. Boring yawn worthy play had been replaced with the excitment of now being weaker. Dieing = fun anyone ?  I have played my templar very little since. I hit lvl 50 just before DoF and the revamp, I am now at lvl 52 and I am left wondering if I will ever have any incentive to take this character to level 60 ? From what I hear he will only get weaker as he climbs his way to 60 and that doesn't sound very appealing to me.   <p>Message Edited by zorbdan on <span class=date_text>11-23-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:07 AM</span>

[Wildi]

Oh well. I still like my templar./goodbye<p>Message Edited by Wildill on <span class=date_text>11-23-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:16 PM</span>

[Takeo1]

<DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hope we arent losing your commentary - I think you are funny as hell. But as far as the rest goes, I aint speculating as to what we may or may not see. Who knew LU13 was coming aye?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>/salutes the General</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lates.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[kenji]

<DIV>Zorbdan, u will have easier time when u hit lvl 54 and get Single Reactive Master 2.... it isnt all dark on your path</DIV>

[Gcha]

<P>Thanks for the kind words Takeo101.  I've enjoyed the heck out of your commentary too.  In fact, thank god for the sanity you and a few others bring to a badly distorted forum.</P> <P>As far as further commentary from me, last night I was again happily playing my Fury and it dawned on me that I hadn't put two blues on my Templar this month.  The message was pretty clear, and I decided to finally make the decision.  At this point I can't see much point in commenting on a toon I have no present intention of playing further.  Barring some miraculous rejuvenation of my enthusiasm for this class, it's going to take some serious changes to get me back ... not increasing the range on combat res <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  In any event, I've stated my ideas on the class several times and, unlike some, I can't see the point in repeating them several times daily.</P> <P>I'll peek in though.  I like to read what you and a few others have to say.  Who knows, I may have something to say ... my skill in keeping my mouth shut isn't high <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[BozEuge]

<DIV>I have the same kind of feeling but didn't made the step to stop my templar, prolly because guildee need me for raid. </DIV> <DIV>to be honest, i only have fun with him in raid. </DIV> <DIV>grouping became boring (to be more precise, for a 4h grouping session, i'm lucky to have 30 sec fun)</DIV> <DIV>solo is pure masochism</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>so now, my choice is really simple :</DIV> <DIV>- raid => templar</DIV> <DIV>- solo / group => i play my warlock</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i only play my templar in group if guildee really need (no healer online for example)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>lack of fun is hard to quantify. it mainly comes from frustration i think</DIV> <DIV>as long as you fight yellow or lower cons stuff, it's too easy, except it you pull 3 or 4 encounter at same time</DIV> <DIV>if you fight orange/red, suddenly, it become really hard and timers on our linked heals avoid us to make our jobs. high resist on taunt = aggro difficult to control also</DIV> <DIV>there is no real mid-part. either i can heal semi afk while watching TV, either my tools aren't enough to keep tank alive.</DIV> <DIV>most frustrating is have a wipe while you still at 80% mana, because you can't cast anything due to timers down.</DIV> <DIV>it's frustrating to explain for the 20th time to the tank that he didn't die because i was afk but because game mechanism avoid me to do my job</DIV> <DIV>it's also frustrating to wipe because sudenly you begin to chain fizzle your heals and can cast nothing for 5 or 6 sec</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>solo is pure masochism as i said. spending 1/3 of the time stun/stiffle because of near inexisting avoidance, having to recast 4 time the same spell due to interrupts/fizzle is not what i feel fun. and waiting 2 minute to see the mob dead (or been killed because you chain interrupt after 2 min fight) is not what i call fun. at least, with my warlock, stuff die fast. i know that in 30 sec max, fight is over : either me or the mob is down but it's fast.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Saphir, templar 60</DIV> <DIV>Splotch, warlock 55</DIV>

[Big Da]

<DIV>I've come to the same conclusion</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Raid = Templar :smileysad:</DIV> <DIV>Other =  Brigand (its just more fun) :smileyvery-happy:</DIV>

[Caethre]

<DIV>OOC.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sigh. Don't give up hope please.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have not given up, yet. I think SoE will get around to looking at the major issues we have at some point, infact, they probably are already. Unlike some, I also believe they will want to correct some of the imbalances, and will make us more playable again.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Perhaps I am overly optimistic, but I do believe SoE care about their game, but then again, in the meantime, I will just have to play as a Fury.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Felishanna [53 Templar]</DIV> <DIV>Annaelisa [43 Fury]</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Wossname]

I'm not giving up yet. I'm only playing my Templar when a guild group is ready and waiting. I think the tide will turn eventually but until then my Wizard is lots of fun :/ <div></div>

[Cowdenic]

My Templar is relegated to raid call only. My Fury and my Warlock are my for fun characters. Nothing like taking on Blue Triple up named heroics with my Fury and popping that master chest all by myself. Phat L3wt5 belong to me.

[rtoub]

Well I have to say I have more fun weekly with my Templar.  I don't know if the small changes they made are the reason or if there were stealth fixes.  Regardless I have tried to stay optomistic and open about the class and it seems to have paid off.  Part of me thinks maybe the negitive attitudes have blinded some to changes and they haven't noticed it.  It also could be the levels and gear I have found boosted my stats enough to solve some problems.  Regardless I didn't enjoy the class right after the upgrade but my enjoyment has steadly increased since then.

[Bloodf]

<P>Im not sure Im qualified to comment, (Templar35), but I have fun. I also have a 40 Brigand and 24 Ranger, who I have fun with in a different way.</P> <P>When you guys say your not having fun, is it because you are bored? You have played the class a long time.</P> <P> </P> <P>Blood.</P>

[Zapo]

<P>Hmm, can just speak for me:</P> <P>1. common xp group, one templar: Not much healing necessary and I don't have really anything else vital to contribute to the group than that little healing (many times I have even the feeling it's better for a pure xp group to have no healer at all and replace it by a DD)-> boring</P> <P>2. tough situation, one templar: Many times then I am not able to do my job (e.g. need to do healing but can't because of timers). On the other side I hear from other healer classes that they are able to do it -> frustrating</P> <P>3. tough situation, 2 healers: Not really tough anymore, healing becomes easy and again I don't feel that I have anything else to contribute that really matters than. -> boring</P> <P>I didn't had this feeling pre LU13 (ok, number 1 was common there too). But now I only have the choice between boring or frustrating. I am missing those rewarding moments when I had the feeling that it really did matter what I was doing as a Templar in a group.</P> <p>Message Edited by Anthur on <span class=date_text>11-25-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:59 AM</span>

[rollando]

<DIV> I am at the same point ...<BR><BR>My friends still like my templar ( heh, they do not play him ) and I like my friends, so my templar is still active.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>However, as soon as the mystic I am levelling hits 45, he'll be able to group with the same friends, and my templar will be retired.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have to add that, while a mystic has around the same nominal dps as a templar, he is much more fun to play, because much less interrupted when he has a ward on.</DIV>

[Big Da]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Bloodfur wrote:<BR> <P>Im not sure Im qualified to comment, (Templar35), but I have fun. I also have a 40 Brigand and 24 Ranger, who I have fun with in a different way.</P> <P>When you guys say your not having fun, is it because you are bored? You have played the class a long time.</P> <P> </P> <P>Blood.</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>To some extent this is probably true, I’m almost 59 and ill be 60 by next week (stopped exping with templar for a few weeks) so I suppose the change to playing my Brigand may not be all about Templar issues.</P> <P>The class has become a little bland in my opinion. However in my guild's high end group we have great DPS/Tank so I'm never expected to contribute in any fashion apart from healing. When we go out to the high end zones I can hold my own that little bit better than other healing classes and that’s honestly what I’m there for. I heal very well and I don’t get agro like a shaman or lack the adaptability of a Druid (as far as healing different situations).</P> <P>However if I'm not with a high end group, I can’t really compensate like other healing classes.</P> <P>Would I want to level a Templar up to 60 without a regular group ... erm no. :smileyindifferent:</P>

[Andu]

<P>My templar is semi-retired and just broken out for raiding.</P> <P>I am having a lot of fun with my Mystic, which will become my main as soon as he can.</P>

[Custardcrusad]

In my opinion it's not the class, but the combat/con system. I had a ball in Spirits of the Lost the other day, with only 12 ppl and we didn't get downstairs, not because they were epics, but because of the combat. Jousting aoe's to avoid the stuns, having fights go on long enough to make it feasable to use my debuffs/proc heals and generally having to THINK about the way you tackle mobs. Just a simple thing like working out that a body pull is the way to not aggro the named guy on top of large pyramid. Variation = Fun Standard group, reactive, try to debuff before the mob is less than 25% and it's not worth doing, quickly throw in atoning fate before it dies. Rinse and repeat. Templar CAN still fun, combat is tediously samey. <div></div>

[FlickerFlak]

Well, Im out to, I just can not find a reason or way to enjoy playing this toon anymore.  Awesome job SOE....... Lvl 55 templar with a fun factor of ZERO signing off. Fare well <div></div>

[Supernova17]

<span><blockquote><hr>Caethre wrote:<div>OOC.</div> <div> </div>  <div>Felishanna [53 Templar]</div> <div>Annaelisa [43 Fury]</div> <div> </div><hr></blockquote>Ah, I'm pulling ahead now =D Descartin 60 Templar Linc 44 Fury</span><div></div>

[OlaeviaTraisharan]

I started a Fury but it's a pain in the butt to get to 20 to actually be called a "Fury" GAH... I hate having to wait 20 levels to choose my final class.

[Gcha]

<P>I felt the same way to a degree.  As one who doesn't have a lot of time to play, I was impatient, although I did enjoy the trip to 20.  Then when I got to 20 I felt like there should have been a big payoff ... but there wasn't .... nor was there anything exciting at 21 or 22.  But I had peeked at what I would get at 23, and I had made myself an App 4 to be ready.  I hit 23 today and, well, suffice it to say ... <smile>  Then I was so happy (and drunk) that I went and bought myself an Adept III of that nuke to celebrate.  It only hits for up to 537 at *cough* 47 INT.  I can't recall what the 42 templar I just retired was maxing damage at ... refresh me ... a hangnail?  Yeah the Fury's big nuke can only be cast every 15 seconds .... boo frickin hoo.</P> <P>24 and 25 give me a bigger DS and a bigger DOT .... that should be depressing huh.<BR></P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Gchang on <span class=date_text>11-26-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:15 AM</span>

[Grimhamm]

<DIV>I gave Combat Changes about 4 - 6 weeks and tried very hard to find fun with the new, overhauled Templar, but ultimately the changes moved Templar to a place that was no longer fun for me either.  Templars now seem to only be the 2nd choice for raid healers, given that they heal and don't have much more to contribute.  I think it was horrid the Producers and Developers left no alternative for folks like me, other than to turn a L50 Templar into a storage mule.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyway, I want to give you some encouragement that starting a new character from scratch is not that bad at all.  I started a new conjuror in October and I just hit L50 and that's with moderate play time per day.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Good luck.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Grimhammer on <span class=date_text>11-26-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:51 PM</span>

[kiyokobabygirl]

<DIV>Hrm.. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>After reading a handfull of posts in the Templars forums, I've noticed a distinctive path.. ~chuckles~ Those who hate the changes, and those who like them. . . I'm sorry to hear that you'll be retiring yours, as I actually find the changes very easy to cope with, and have no issue at all maintaining my heals, raiding, etc, that a lot of other templars seem to be experiencing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now, it may also be because I left for a few months, and thus was not around when the combat changes happened. So basically when I came back to game I was going to have to re-learn some things anyhow. If anything I'm actually having an easier time in groups... and yes, solo'ing does suck. It takes forever to kill anything, interuptions up the wazoo and all the rest of it. Solution? Meh, I just don't solo often. I have alts (8 of them in fact..) I play until a few friends / guild mates are on who need a healer. I honestly think things were way too easy before the combat revamps. As things stand now, I work at my class, and enjoy what I do, and knowing that I do it well. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Again, sorry to hear you'll be retiring yours, and that so many people are turning to alts as new mains, but kudos to those who stick it out and learn to change along with the class. </DIV>

[Timaarit]

<span><blockquote><hr>kiyokobabygirl wrote:<div>Hrm.. </div> <div> </div> <div>After reading a handfull of posts in the Templars forums, I've noticed a distinctive path.. ~chuckles~ Those who hate the changes, and those who like them. . . I'm sorry to hear that you'll be retiring yours, as I actually find the changes very easy to cope with, and have no issue at all maintaining my heals, raiding, etc, that a lot of other templars seem to be experiencing. <font color="#ffff00">I agree, this part is easy. Actually it is too easy. Or then it is too hard. Finding the path in between those two is nearly impossible. What the others are saying that it is not fun. They can do it just as well as you do but they are not enjoying it. Thus they make another healer who can do that part just as well as templar, but that have 'the thing' that makes a class fun to play.</font> </div> <div> </div> <div>Now, it may also be because I left for a few months, and thus was not around when the combat changes happened. So basically when I came back to game I was going to have to re-learn some things anyhow. If anything I'm actually having an easier time in groups... and yes, solo'ing does suck. It takes forever to kill anything, interuptions up the wazoo and all the rest of it. Solution? Meh, I just don't solo often. I have alts (8 of them in fact..) I play until a few friends / guild mates are on who need a healer. I honestly think things were way too easy before the combat revamps. As things stand now, I work at my class, and enjoy what I do, and knowing that I do it well. </div> <div> <font color="#ffff00"> </font><font color="#ffff00">Now here comes the part where people want to be still healers. They make an alt, usually another healer. So why would they switch to their templar once that alt is high enough to group with friends/guildies. Exactly, they wont. Thus their templar is retired. Then there are people like you for example. Only play templar when you get a group. Oops, one day you notice that all the people who you used to group, are too high level for you because they were soloing.</font> </div> <div>Again, sorry to hear you'll be retiring yours, and that so many people are turning to alts as new mains, but kudos to those who stick it out and learn to change along with the class. </div><hr></blockquote>Changing is one thing and no one has had any problems with that. If it wasn't so darn boring to play a templar, there would propably be no problems. Playing a templar is playing the game passively. you cast a spell and hope it procs.Or you cast a spell and wait till target dies so your group is healed. Or you hope that the opponent hits often but not hard. Hope hope hope... That is the way templars are, they hope thing A happens so that their B thingy heals while every member in group tries their best to take out the advantage of our reactives by stunning the opponent.</span><div></div>

[kenji]

<DIV>in fact, playing a healer in EQ2 is TOO easy, lets say Templar got 100 pts on healing, while other priest have 60~99% of us, however, in EQ2 high lvl area, less than OJ con = only require 50 pts healing to keep group alive, higher than OJ con = 50%+ resist /grin...i wont go for OJ con mobs for xp... but healing a group vs yellow - is Really boring.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>but then, since all healer can do same well on keeping a group alive... the lack of DPS from Templar is really [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], healing is boring, cant even deal [Removed for Content] DPS while grinding = double mood down, thats why some Templars given up their class.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>(especially after they read that Druid can do 250-400 AoE DPS in a AoE DPS burst group)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[kiyokobabygirl]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Timaarit wrote:<BR><SPAN> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Changing is one thing and no one has had any problems with that. If it wasn't so darn boring to play a templar, there would propably be no problems. Playing a templar is playing the game passively. you cast a spell and hope it procs.Or you cast a spell and wait till target dies so your group is healed. Or you hope that the opponent hits often but not hard. Hope hope hope... That is the way templars are, they hope thing A happens so that their B thingy heals while every member in group tries their best to take out the advantage of our reactives by stunning the opponent.<BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>The class may be boring to <EM>you</EM> and a bunch of other people out there, even the majority, but remember you don't speak for everyone. My templar's 56, I raid frequently and have a lot of fun playing the character actually. I enjoy working the quests, I like the changes, I enjoy the new zones yada yada yada. I still find it a challenge and I don't find it any more boring then any other class out there, if you're dps you target the main tank and hit auto attack, land a few debuffs. Wu. If you're the MT you do some pulling and slap on a few taunts.. How are our heals any more redundant then any other skill / spell that any other class has out there? Healing in EQ2 is <much> nicer then EQ1 healing where at least here I don't have to just do the dreaded heal rots, now THAT is redundant and boring. At least I can debuff, stun, have a handfull of heals I can use, I can save my grp in between saving the MT and what not. </P> <P>After reading the previous posts in the forum (yet again) I realize that my being satisfied and happy with the class isn't going to prevent the onslaught of rude comments and posts from all those who are dissatisfied, but I'm much more concerned with enchanters and their lack of solo'ing then the templar. Everyone has their own opinion and I respect that and even read through 'em, but obviously it was a bad idea to come back to this forum, and I'll just stick to the eq.serverwide.templar channel and play my templar happily.. <BR></P>

[Timaarit]

<span><blockquote><hr>kiyokobabygirl wrote: <p>The class may be boring to <em>you</em> and a bunch of other people out there, even the majority, but remember you don't speak for everyone. </p> <div></div><hr></blockquote>So, do you disagree of my actual observations about how templar is played, or don't you just find those things to be boring?</span><div></div>

[SenorPhrog]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Timaarit wrote:<BR><SPAN> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> kiyokobabygirl wrote: <P>The class may be boring to <EM>you</EM> and a bunch of other people out there, even the majority, but remember you don't speak for everyone. </P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>So, do you disagree of my actual observations about how templar is played, or don't you just find those things to be boring?<BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>So would you say that its more boring now to play or a Templar or back when you could just stack a group and single reactive every 90 seconds and watch TV?

[Timaarit]

<span><blockquote><hr>Radar-X wrote:So would you say that its more boring now to play or a Templar or back when you could just stack a group and single reactive every 90 seconds and watch TV?<hr></blockquote>Well, back then I could solo a bit. Also my monk was way worse than now. And back then I always got a group when I wanted. But the main thing is that I had far more heals then than I do have now. True, in general groups I could cast a few reactives and watch TV, but fact is that my group generally took care that I couldn't do that. Thing that did cost us a few deaths right after LU13. But now that cannot be done, adds are too dangerous now so we learned to play it safe. There are lapses sometimes but since they result in a wipe far too often, they are avoided if possible. So the answer to your question is yes.</span><div></div>

[SenorPhrog]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Timaarit wrote:<BR><SPAN> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Radar-X wrote:<BR>So would you say that its more boring now to play or a Templar or back when you could just stack a group and single reactive every 90 seconds and watch TV?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Well, back then I could solo a bit. Also my monk was way worse than now. And back then I always got a group when I wanted. <BR><BR>But the main thing is that I had far more heals then than I do have now. True, in general groups I could cast a few reactives and watch TV, but fact is that my group generally took care that I couldn't do that. Thing that did cost us a few deaths right after LU13. But now that cannot be done, adds are too dangerous now so we learned to play it safe. There are lapses sometimes but since they result in a wipe far too often, they are avoided if possible.<BR><BR>So the answer to your question is yes.<BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>I can't really see a difference soloing post LU#13 other than not being able to take orange cons (which most classes can't now).  It was painfully slow before, and painfully slow after.   I wouldn't complain about a few more things to do during an average group fight but many times thats when I ask them to pull faster/more.</DIV>

[bigmak20]

<span><blockquote><hr>Timaarit wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>Radar-X wrote:So would you say that its more boring now to play or a Templar or back when you could just stack a group and single reactive every 90 seconds and watch TV?<hr></blockquote>Well, back then I could solo a bit. Also my monk was way worse than now. And back then I always got a group when I wanted. But the main thing is that I had far more heals then than I do have now. True, in general groups I could cast a few reactives and watch TV, but fact is that my group generally took care that I couldn't do that. Thing that did cost us a few deaths right after LU13. But now that cannot be done, adds are too dangerous now so we learned to play it safe. There are lapses sometimes but since they result in a wipe far too often, they are avoided if possible. So the answer to your question is yes.</span><div></div><hr></blockquote>Ditto on the relearn causing a few deaths.  They kept telling me to heal I kept saying "waiting on timers"... of-course they got used to grouping with a Fury when I took a month off so they somehow thought things would go as well with a Templar.  With the Fury -- the MoBs died quicker so healing wasn't needed so much. </span><div></div>

[Donte]

<DIV>I haven't played my templar is 2 weeks other than some mentoring to help guildies.</DIV> <DIV>I will still use her if needed in a raid, but have now about caught her with my dirge alt and the raid leaders want him in the MT group!  go figure.</DIV> <DIV>54 Templar</DIV> <DIV>53 Dirge</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I won't call her retired, just on call.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Someone mentioned DPS group without a healer.  They are right, if you stick with whites and yellows, they burn down without any healing.  Least if there is a healer, fury/warden can add some noticable dps to feel needed.  I can spam my nukes for my 80dps and still have 85% power.  kinda embarassing hoping my groups dont think I am just mooching thier xp.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Cowdenic]

<P>In February DDO comes out. Templars will be fixed or I will retire all of my toons.</P> <P>Either way I win, which is as it should be since I am the customer. See I dont care about 15 bucks a month and neither does SoE. </P> <P>And Yes you can have all my Fabled lewts and the 25 rares I am sitting on. 7 Fableds and over 30 Adept 3s and T3 healers are outdamageing me. Pathetic.</P>

[SenorPhrog]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cowdenicus wrote:<BR> <P>In February DDO comes out. Templars will be fixed or I will retire all of my toons.</P> <P>Either way I win, which is as it should be since I am the customer. See I dont care about 15 bucks a month and neither does SoE. </P> <P>And Yes you can have all my Fabled lewts and the 25 rares I am sitting on. 7 Fableds and over 30 Adept 3s and T3 healers are outdamageing me. Pathetic.</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I've been watching DDO and know a few people in beta.  I hope you like clicking your mouse button....repeteadly....  I'll definetly try it out but I'd hate to see you disappointed.

[Gcha]

Ummm, bro, if (short of an FPS) there’s a way to build more clicking into a game than we currently do, I’d like to know about it =)  I have scientists coming in to study my carpal tunnel already.   And we don’t even want to talk about tradeskills, lol.

[Antryg Mistrose]

<div></div><a target="top" href="../view_profile?user.id=59519"></a>kiyokobabygirl said :  <font color="#ffff00">"I'm much more concerned with enchanters and their lack of solo'ing then the templar"</font>Just wondering where you were coming from with that.  I've done quite a bit of soloing on both, and post LU13, its the templar that has a problem.  Admittedly my illusionist is lower - 39 vs 48, but I  can harvest for half the fight on mobs the same comparitive  level.  Its on raids that enchanters are annoyed to finally stop being a breeze bot, only to find that there isn't much else that's been left usable on epics.As for boring - I play 3 classes Paladin/Illusionist/Templar.  In a group the templar is by far the easiest to play.The others require situational awareness - ie focusing outside the group a lot more.Raids are currently the only interesting  time  I'm  having as a  templar. I didn't solo much before LU13, so  that  templars  are  pathtic  at  it  was  masked  by  the  fact  we could  always  get a  group over the  'broken'  priests.  Well  that's  not  the  case now.<a target="top" href="../view_profile?user.id=59519"><span></span></a><div></div>

[SenorPhrog]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gchang wrote:<BR>Ummm, bro, if (short of an FPS) there’s a way to build more clicking into a game than we currently do, I’d like to know about it =)  I have scientists coming in to study my carpal tunnel already.   And we don’t even want to talk about tradeskills, lol. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Haha then get your wriststraps ready!  Unless they change it from my understanding you click your mouse button to attack.....EVERY time you want to attack.   If you have to hit someting 50 times, well you get the idea.   I'm already planning to use my crappier mouse to play.  :smileyhappy: 

[Andu]

<DIV>They are adding an auto attack option. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Im going to be a cleric (surprise surprise). Since Clerics are as they should be and can actually fight a bit I'm very glad of this <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Gcha]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Radar-X wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gchang wrote:<BR>Ummm, bro, if (short of an FPS) there’s a way to build more clicking into a game than we currently do, I’d like to know about it =)  I have scientists coming in to study my carpal tunnel already.   And we don’t even want to talk about tradeskills, lol. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Haha then get your wriststraps ready!  Unless they change it from my understanding you click your mouse button to attack.....EVERY time you want to attack.   If you have to hit someting 50 times, well you get the idea.   I'm already planning to use my crappier mouse to play.  :smileyhappy:  <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Ooookay, I must admit that's incomprehensible, lol.   But thankfully I see they're adding auto attack.

[javis]

<DIV>I play my temp 56 on the weekends for exp and raids, and I am trying out a defiler as my alt, near 30 now.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-Iz</DIV>

[Bhee]

/sarcasm onThank you very much SoE for making my Templar (5<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> boring to play. I rolled a Conjurer and having a blast with it. Without your "balancing" act, I would never have known the joy of playing a fun character./sarcasm off<div></div>