Can Templars get a Sticky Message section as well?

[Diz]

If ya check out the Guardian's Boards they have nice sticky section of the quick reference and important threads. what would it take to get something like that here. there are a few threads up now, that it would be great if they didn't get barried all the time. <div></div>

[Quijonsith]

  Every sticky that I've seen (keep in mind that I only visit maybe 6 forum sections regularly) have been threads that contain consise, negligably disputed, and very helpful information.  Most templar threads (and my main is a 51 templar so please don't think I'm bashing templars) contain about as many people on one side of the fence as there are on the other.  They aren't exactly the types of threads to be kept around for months for people to come read for their valuable at-a-glance information.  The only threads I might even consider the type to be stickied are the threads listing good templar gear.  Reading all the threads in our forum, can you honestly say you've seen alot that you think should be stickied?  But, this is just my opinion.<div></div>

[Diz]

well the point of the sticky section isn't to have discussion stuck to the top. but as yuo said info. a few threads Iw ould like sticked are Spell listings (with the screenshots), equipment listings and such. not opinionated threads. <div></div>

[Quijonsith]

Don't get me wrong,  I agree with you.  The problem I see is that we just don't hardly have any notible threads to sticky as far as I can tell. <div></div>

[AzraelAzgard]

<DIV>Sticky a good manaregen thread and list of T6 spells <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Cowdenic]

You assume we have a dev or moderator who actually looks at Templar issues.

[Kiara-]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cowdenicus wrote:<BR>You assume we have a dev or moderator who actually looks at Templar issues. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff>That is uncalled for.  Of course they look at templar issues.  However, as has already been stated, there isn't something useful and not full of bickering in this forum yet that warrents being stickied.</FONT>

[SenorPhrog]

<span><blockquote><hr>Cowdenicus wrote:You assume we have a dev or moderator who actually looks at Templar issues. <div></div><hr></blockquote>Another fabulously insightful post Cow *applaud*</span><div></div>

[SkarlSpeedbu]

I would like to help work on a spell line list that includes Description of the line, all the spells and their progression names, as well as the level you get the spell.  The thing is my Templar is an alt, so I wouldn't want to try to start something up like this as I am not an expert of the class.  But, I must also admit when I come here I don't seem to get a lot of info.

[cadrach]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Quijonsith wrote:<BR> Every sticky that I've seen (keep in mind that I only visit maybe 6 forum sections regularly) have been threads that contain consise, negligably disputed, and very helpful information.  Most templar threads (and my main is a 51 templar so please don't think I'm bashing templars) contain about as many people on one side of the fence as there are on the other.  They aren't exactly the types of threads to be kept around for months for people to come read for their valuable at-a-glance information.  The only threads I might even consider the type to be stickied are the threads listing good templar gear.  Reading all the threads in our forum, can you honestly say you've seen alot that you think should be stickied?  But, this is just my opinion. <P><BR></P> <HR> <P>Here is a list of their sticky posts</P> <P><SPAN><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=20390" target=_blank><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999>Guardian Spell Effects L51-L60 @ App1 Thru Master2</FONT></SPAN></A><FONT color=#ff9999> </FONT></SPAN><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999>[ </FONT><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=20390&page=1" target=_blank><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999>1</FONT></SPAN></A><FONT color=#ff9999> </FONT><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=20390&page=2" target=_blank><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999>2</FONT></SPAN></A><FONT color=#ff9999> ]</FONT></SPAN><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=16762" target=_blank><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999>Guadian's 20 - 60 Abilities/Description's</FONT></SPAN></A><FONT color=#ff9999> </FONT></SPAN><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999>[ </FONT><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=16762&page=1" target=_blank><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999>1</FONT></SPAN></A><FONT color=#ff9999> </FONT><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=16762&page=2" target=_blank><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999>2</FONT></SPAN></A><FONT color=#ff9999> ]</FONT></SPAN><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=22288" target=_blank><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG>Issues and suggested solutions from guardians.</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></A><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG> </STRONG></FONT></SPAN><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG>[ </STRONG></FONT><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=22288&page=1" target=_blank><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG>1</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></A><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG> </STRONG></FONT><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=22288&page=2" target=_blank><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG>2</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></A><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG> </STRONG></FONT><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=22288&page=3" target=_blank><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG>3</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></A><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG> </STRONG></FONT><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=22288&page=4" target=_blank><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG>4</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></A><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG> </STRONG></FONT><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=22288&page=5" target=_blank><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG>5</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></A><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG> </STRONG></FONT><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=22288&page=6" target=_blank><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG>6</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></A><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG> </STRONG></FONT><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=22288&page=7" target=_blank><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG>7</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></A><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG> </STRONG></FONT><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=22288&page=8" target=_blank><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG>8</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></A><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG> </STRONG></FONT><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=22288&page=9" target=_blank><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG>9</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></A><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG> ]</STRONG></FONT></SPAN><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=9849" target=_blank><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG>Stamina, Agility, and Str - How they effect you.</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></A><FONT color=#ff9999></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=11135" target=_blank><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999>Guardian Skills List - Emphasis on Skill Lines</FONT></SPAN></A><FONT color=#ff9999></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN>Im sorry but we have the same post as the two bolded and similar in the others as well.   The reason that they do not get stuck up top is because no mod or develpoer is a Templar that visits these boards on a regualar basis.  The guardians have a Dev or a Mod playing their class so they get sticky posts and it is why we dont.  </SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>It is not that they dont look at our issues it is that we done have someone playing our class that can sticky anything.  </SPAN></P> <P><SPAN> </P></SPAN> <P> </P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><p>Message Edited by cadrach on <span class=date_text>11-15-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:14 AM</span>

[Kiara-]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> cadrach wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Here is a list of their sticky posts</P> <P><SPAN><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=20390" target=_blank><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999>Guardian Spell Effects L51-L60 @ App1 Thru Master2</FONT></SPAN></A><FONT color=#ff9999> </FONT></SPAN><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999>[ </FONT><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=20390&page=1" target=_blank><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999>1</FONT></SPAN></A><FONT color=#ff9999> </FONT><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=20390&page=2" target=_blank><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999>2</FONT></SPAN></A><FONT color=#ff9999> ]</FONT></SPAN><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=16762" target=_blank><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999>Guadian's 20 - 60 Abilities/Description's</FONT></SPAN></A><FONT color=#ff9999> </FONT></SPAN><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999>[ </FONT><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=16762&page=1" target=_blank><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999>1</FONT></SPAN></A><FONT color=#ff9999> </FONT><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=16762&page=2" target=_blank><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999>2</FONT></SPAN></A><FONT color=#ff9999> ]</FONT></SPAN><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=22288" target=_blank><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG>Issues and suggested solutions from guardians.</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></A><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG> </STRONG></FONT></SPAN><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG>[ </STRONG></FONT><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=22288&page=1" target=_blank><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG>1</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></A><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG> </STRONG></FONT><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=22288&page=2" target=_blank><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG>2</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></A><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG> </STRONG></FONT><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=22288&page=3" target=_blank><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG>3</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></A><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG> </STRONG></FONT><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=22288&page=4" target=_blank><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG>4</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></A><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG> </STRONG></FONT><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=22288&page=5" target=_blank><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG>5</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></A><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG> </STRONG></FONT><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=22288&page=6" target=_blank><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG>6</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></A><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG> </STRONG></FONT><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=22288&page=7" target=_blank><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG>7</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></A><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG> </STRONG></FONT><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=22288&page=8" target=_blank><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG>8</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></A><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG> </STRONG></FONT><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=22288&page=9" target=_blank><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG>9</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></A><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG> ]</STRONG></FONT></SPAN><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=9849" target=_blank><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999><STRONG>Stamina, Agility, and Str - How they effect you.</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></A><FONT color=#ff9999></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=11135" target=_blank><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9999>Guardian Skills List - Emphasis on Skill Lines</FONT></SPAN></A><FONT color=#ff9999></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN>Im sorry but we have the same post as the two bolded and similar in the others as well.   The reason that they do not get stuck up top is because no mod or develpoer is a Templar that visits these boards on a regualar basis.  The guardians have a Dev or a Mod playing their class so they get sticky posts and it is why we dont.  </SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>It is not that they dont look at our issues it is that we done have someone playing our class that can sticky anything.  </SPAN></P> <P><SPAN> </P></SPAN> <P> </P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <P>Message Edited by cadrach on <SPAN class=date_text>11-15-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>09:14 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff>I'm sorry, but that is simply incorrect.  We don't have a sticky section, not because our board isn't read, but because any threads we have that MIGHT be useful and stickyable degenerate into flame wars too quickly.  There's too much bickering.  I'm not saying that there isn't bickering on the guardian forums, but at least their stickied threads have some useful info.  It isn't a matter of a dev or mod not playing a templar.  They don't play favourites like that. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff>When we can put up a thread that is universally useful and rational and reasonable, we'll get a stickied thread.  End of story.</FONT></DIV>

[cadrach]

<div></div><div></div>Well I disagree with your statement  <font color="#cc99ff" face="Comic Sans MS">"We don't have a sticky section, not because our board isn't read, but because any threads we have that MIGHT be useful and stickyable degenerate into flame wars too quickly. "</font>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=13&message.id=15176 Is a good post by  Kendricke which list our problem and you dont see that  in a sticky.  Look at the guardian post of a similar nature.  The 4th or 5th post has a Mod response that says that is exactly what he wants to see and gave it a sticky.   He then followed up with a reply when someone said that it would deginerate quickly into a flame war saying "That's my job, no worries there. You folks have at it!" I am not saying our post are not read I am just saying that more attention is paid to thoes fourms that the Mod's or Devs play .  I am not bashing them or anything it is  just a opinion of mine that this is human nature.  If I play a Templar I spend more time on thoes posts... EDIT :  I realize the post by Kindricke is relativly new so we should give them time to see if they sticky it, but some of the guardians post are hardly "completly constructive" and they have 500% more stickied posts than our boards...or many other boards for that matter.  I ask you why if not for the fact that they play that class?  Give me a reason.  <span><span></span></span><a href="../view_profile?user.id=12052" target="_blank"><span></span></a><div></div><p>Message Edited by cadrach on <span class=date_text>11-15-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:11 PM</span>

[Kiara-]

<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff>I disagree.  I don't think that we get less attention because no one plays a templar.  I think we don't get the attention (posts by red names) that people desire because we cannot stop the infighting.  If we could be reasonable, I truly think we would have someone post.  As it is, if I were a red name, I'd avoid this place like the plague.  It needs to settle down in here before we can get something accomplished.</FONT></DIV>

[cadrach]

<div></div>Go read their posts.  Not everyone is picking elderberries and singing kumbia.  The fact of the matter is NEVER are you going to have everyone agreeing on one thing.  In fact I could say the sky was blue and someone would come on here and say no it is Aqua or maybe Green.  That is just the nature of humans.  Yes soemtime it is not constructive but big deal he is willing to mod their boards to make sure it does not turn into a flame war he can do the same for us like he said it is his job. <div></div><p>Message Edited by cadrach on <span class=date_text>11-15-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:20 PM</span>

[Kiara-]

<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff>I have read their posts.  I read a lot of posts.  But I also can recognize that things are worse here than on, say the guardian forums.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff>I truly think if we can get settled just a little and are a little more cohesive, that people might post here.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff>I am certain that they read the forums.  But when it comes right down to it, we're not broken.  We need to be patient.  It sucks, but no one likes to be patient.  We all always want what we want when we want it.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff>But I really think we can come together and put together a list of things we'd like to see that are reasonable and don't degenerate into bickerings.  And THAT would get stickied.</FONT></DIV>

[Xerxess]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kiara wrote:<BR> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff>I have read their posts.  I read a lot of posts.  But I also can recognize that things are worse here than on, say the guardian forums.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff>I truly think if we can get settled just a little and are a little more cohesive, that people might post here.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff>I am certain that they read the forums.  But when it comes right down to it, we're not broken.  We need to be patient.  It sucks, but no one likes to be patient.  We all always want what we want when we want it.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff>But I really think we can come together and put together a list of things we'd like to see that are reasonable and don't degenerate into bickerings.  And THAT would get stickied.</FONT></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Most of the Templars are cohesive about our class. Its just usaully when a post about a spell or our class is brought it starts off good with the OP making a point. Then either someone disagrees or a Fanboi posts and it degenerates into a never ending flame.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We do have problems, we are not a working as intended class and most templars know that. They post facts and no one listens, then they post again and silence until they get upset and post a flame.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I agree I don't think a mod or dev plays a templar because this board should not have turned into a major flame fest, a mod can atleast come in here and put a stop to some the flaming but its getting to the point where no mods are in here anymore. They don't even acknowledge us, Rajinn only posted one time he was looking into our problems.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Well when 16 came out our reverence spell was nerf'd and Invul. Heal line is still not working well. So what exactly are they looking into, atleast they can acknowledge our DPS issue but we get silence.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Our flaming issues also stems from everytime a templar makes a post about how bad a spell is...its start to go good with people comparing what they have and then BOOM!...Trolls out of the woodwork come in and tell us to stop whining and derail half our threads. We have so many Fury trolls its not even funny now.  Yet no mod to stop them...this is why I feel a mod or Dev just doesn't like templars anymore...</DIV>

[Quijonsith]

Honestly, I think I've noticed a number of templar trolls in here I think more than anyone else coming to our boards. <div></div>

[Xerxess]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Quijonsith wrote:<BR>Honestly, I think I've noticed a number of templar trolls in here I think more than anyone else coming to our boards.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>extactly what im talking about. You come in here and make no constructive posts about what the op has said but stated you see nothing but trolls in this forum. Thank you for pointing that out :smileyvery-happy:</P> <P>Oh and there only reason why some us  troll in your board is because maybe you shouldn't take such cheap jabs at templars in your boards. I mean come on if you defend yourselves in our boards then why can't do the same in your boards :smileywink:</P> <P>Thank you have a nice day </P> <p>Message Edited by Xerxess on <span class=date_text>11-16-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:11 AM</span>

[Caethre]

<P>OOC.</P> <P>Based on this thread, and on a call made on the thread I am refering, I have requested a sticky for the thread :-</P> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=13&message.id=11132" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=13&message.id=11132</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It has been contributed to by a wide range of Templars, and seems to represent what the large majority of this community are posting.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Felishanna / Annaelisa</DIV>

[Zapo]

<P>Of course there are threads that are worth a sticky. e.g. this one about Master II choices</P> <P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=13&message.id=13797" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=13&message.id=13797</A></P> <P>Why there are no stickies in this forum, I don't know and could only suspect.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Quijonsith]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Xerxess wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Quijonsith wrote:Honestly, I think I've noticed a number of templar trolls in here I think more than anyone else coming to our boards. <div></div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>extactly what im talking about. You come in here and make no constructive posts about what the op has said but stated you see nothing but trolls in this forum. Thank you for pointing that out :smileyvery-happy:</p> <p>Oh and there only reason why some us  troll in your board is because maybe you shouldn't take such cheap jabs at templars in your boards. I mean come on if you defend yourselves in our boards then why can't do the same in your boards :smileywink:</p> <p>Thank you have a nice day </p> <div></div><p>Message Edited by Xerxess on <span class="date_text">11-16-2005</span> <span class="time_text">01:11 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>   I felt I was being constructive (atleast to a degree) with my first post which was the first reply in this thread.  The OP has provided counter points to what I and others have said.  Judging from the titles of the posts he linked from the guardian forums I could easily see them being quite similar to our own posts.  Having said that, I can totally understand teh OP's concern for why we don't have any stickies, and I wonder why myself.  I havn't read the posts that were linked, but I do feel that we (the templars) do degrade our own threads more than need be.  However, having read the quote that the dev said something like "it's my job to moderate so have at it" this leads me to seriously wonder about the dev attention being given to our section of the forums.   Also, I don't mean to sound as negative as I appear to have.  There are quite alot of valuable posters and posts in our forums.  I don't see "nothing but trolls".  I just see to many, and I see threads to easily side tracked, which I fear I may be doing to this thread.  I frequently mediate arguments between friends and coworkers as a supervisor, and the key ability I've used in doing this is providing counter points and bringing up the other side to someone.  I do this with both parties involved and try to reach agreements.  This, often is seen as me taking sides by one or the other when it just isn't so.  I'm sorry if I've offended anyone.   One the OP's side, I agree that we should have stickies. And to counter my own initial argument, the devs's jobs are to moderate these threads.  Why couldn't they clean up the degenerative BS that exists in the useful threads and sticky what remains? Edit: sidenote.  The only class related sections I visit regularly are templar, monk, and bard as these are characters i'm playing.  side from that, i go to the test server section and one or two non class related sections.  Never went to guardian forums, but it's my bed time.  Later i'll read the posts that were linked so that I may see how their degenerationi compairs to what i'm used to in ours.</span><div></div><p>Message Edited by Quijonsith on <span class=date_text>11-16-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:00 AM</span>

[SenorPhrog]

<DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Caethre wrote:<BR> <P>OOC.</P> <P>Based on this thread, and on a call made on the thread I am refering, I have requested a sticky for the thread :-</P> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=13&message.id=11132" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=13&message.id=11132</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It has been contributed to by a wide range of Templars, and seems to represent what the large majority of this community are posting.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Felishanna / Annaelisa</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>So if they sticky this will you be playing Templar again?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've seen some great threads but nothing work stickying in probably 6 months at least.<BR></DIV>

[cadrach]

<div></div>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=16&message.id=9916 This post got a sticky in wardens fourms?  Common this is borderline flamebait!  A direct quote from the OP's sticky message, yet somehow this waranted a sticky?  "Hell yes i left off the worthless HOT addition to wardens main heals as they are worthless and need to be striped.  Leave us the  regens like chlro... and HG. Those are fine and balanced  to the other healers. Take off the regen on the the 3 main heals like every other healer and bump the  numbers  into there ranges. That's really very cut dry and simple. You want balance lets have it." His information was, by his own admision, not completly accurate because the spell lines were taken from diffent levels of the spells listed.  If this post got a sticky how can either the post from Kendricke or the post from Caether not get a sticky!  They are much more constructive than the one above. http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=13&message.id=15176  Kendricke's post or http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=13&message.id=11132 Caether's post Edit:  I dont want anyone to think I am bashing the original poster I am just posting my opinion that his post does not seem very constuctive yet it somehow warranted a sticky? <div></div><p>Message Edited by cadrach on <span class=date_text>11-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:15 PM</span>

[rtoub]

<DIV>Maybe I am overlooking something but has anybody ever requested a thread to be sticked?  I can't remember ever seeing anbody request it.  If requests have been made then we have a problem.  I don't think they come and read posts and sticky things on their own.  Well maybe in extreme cases they will but not very often.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sometimes a polite request is all it takes and maybe nobody has taken the initiative.  If I am wrong then I do have to wonder why there are no stickys here.</DIV>

[Caethre]

OOC.<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Radar-X wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>So if they sticky this will you be playing Templar again?<BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Not that it is relevant, since I care about game balance, but actually I have never stated that my Templar was retired. She isn't. I'll probably run her through Harclave this weekend, just for a laugh, to test out all her new cobalt and pearl armour with the super-buff there, will be funny as a one-off. And of course, she is a Master Sage, with many clients, and a roleplayed character with friends.</P> <P>However, once Anna passes her in level, *if* Templar is not fixed, she will become my "alt" at that time, and Anna my main. The reason is obvious - Anna will be displacing Templars from normal groups by that point, and soloing at at far faster rate when she is not grouped. Total no-brainer as things are right now. Whether you agree with what almost all the rest of us can plainly see is, frankly, irrelevant.<BR></P> <P>However, whilst I and hundreds of others keep posting on this subject (and we will, you know it), eventually SoE will look into it and let us know their findings, and hopefully, do something to fix the problem. I confidently predict you will keep complaining about our reports, an complain we are "whining", and post five times more than any of us do as individuals, saying just that (ie saying nothing constructive, just complaining about other posters), but in the end, SoE can and will decide for themselves.</P> <P> </P>

[SenorPhrog]

**REMOVED DUE TO NAPPROPRIATE CONTENT**<p>Message Edited by Raijinn Thunderguard on <span class=date_text>11-22-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:07 PM</span>

[Kendricke]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Caethre wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>I confidently predict you will keep complaining about our reports, an complain we are "whining", and post five times more than any of us do as individuals, saying just that (ie<STRONG> saying nothing constructive, just complaining about other posters</STRONG>), but in the end, SoE can and will decide for themselves.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Here's a quick run-down of new posts I've made in the past month or so that I considered to be attempts at constructive discussion:<BR><BR> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=13&message.id=15176" target=_blank>Holy Books of Templar</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=13&message.id=15408" target=_blank>Post by Moorgard on Class Equality</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=13&message.id=14283" target=_blank>If you could ask a Dev...</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=13&message.id=11100" target=_blank>An Attempt at Constructive Discussion</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=13&message.id=12735" target=_blank>Data Collection Point:  Templar Soloing and Light Grouping</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=13&message.id=12964" target=_blank>Utility Comparison</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=11&message.id=4715" target=_blank>Spell Lines General Reference for all Priests</A> (Priest Archetype forum)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>All of the above posts were made in the past few weeks, and all start out with factual, constructive attempts to gather data.  None are essays or opinion pieces (an argument could be made that the "Post by Moorgard..." was, but I'd disagree).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The only opinion piece I've posted as a new post here in the past month or so was "<A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=13&message.id=14290" target=_blank>We Are Our Own Worst Enemy</A>", which was my attempt to point out issues, as I see them, with how we're trying to present our cases to the developers, written from the standpoint of someone who's actually presented issues face-to-face with them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In addition, I've fired off several proposals directly to the developers (through email, PM's, or the like) as well as conferred with several other Summit attendees off of this forum (yes, we tend to stay in contact with one another) and have tried to build cases for change (or not) based on information gathered here in these forums.  My first "Class Concerns" interview for Caster's Realm, which deals with Templar concerns, is currently in the approval stage, and is composed ONLY of questions which were gathered within the "<EM>If you could ask a Dev...</EM>" topic.  I specifically attempted to include Templars who are consistent critics of my own arguments, so as to make sure I'm giving a fair picture of different points of view from within the Templar community.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now, I can't speak for anyone else here, nor do I claim I have "hundreds" of supporters - or really any at all.  I'm not looking to get any posts stickied, and I'm not in need of any more recognition than I've already been lucky enough to receive.  However, this doesn't mean that I feel the constant little attacks on myself or others is appropriate.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It's irrelevant whether or not someone's got a lot of forum posts.  It's irrelevant whether or not someone is popular or not.  It's irrelevant whether or not you even like another person.  Every one of us has a right to make a case here for what we feel is right.  You may not agree with a view.  Many others may disagree with a view.  Again, this is irrelevant.  A view may be correct or right regardless of whether or not that view is held by a majority, a minority, or even if that view's held by just one person.  Right is right is right.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In a game that's designed by SOE, it's SOE's decisions that determine what's right.  On that, we agree.  Therefore, I don't build my cases here for what I feel is right based on merely speculation, conjecture, or by insulting others (certainly not by insulting the developers).  I try to get to the facts.  I try to find reasoning.  I try to reference actual events.  I know that the developers can and will test any accusations thrown around before making a change.  Therefore, I don't just make wild claims hoping they'll take my word on it.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We're all in this together, whether we like each other or not.  Get over the personal frictions and get on with the issues at hand.  The in-fighting has to stop.  I don't put up with this sort of drama from my within my own guild (most Guildmasters I know do not, either), so I can imagine why the developers aren't rushing to jump into it here.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Caethre]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>Radar-X wrote:</P> <P><BR>Hundreds of other posters?  LOL.   I think you overestimate the support of your revolutionary movement.    I love in your post how you keep saying "we" and "us" and "our"  like you speak for all Templars.   I remember you railing another Templar on these forums for arrogance awhile back.  Those were good times.  In fact, I don't see much more than people agreeing their are some issues that need looking at and...get ready for it...I'm one of those people.</P> <P>I don't think I've called anybody a whiner (at least here) in probably a month so feel free to keep reaching.   I am detecting a little less hostility than usual though.   Are you feeling alright?  You're right though, I'm going to keep voicing my opinion just like you are.   The difference is I can admit when I'm wrong and I don't overestimate my support (which I believe is still at a whopping 0%).    Continue the good fight General Caethre!  Vive le Templars!</P> <P>However if you REALLY cared about Templars you'd be able to put aside your petty issues, tone down your sarcasm and pertinousness, and try and get things fixed without insulting someone or SOE in every post.</P> <P>Message Edited by Radar-X on <SPAN class=date_text>11-18-2005</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>10:55 AM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Radar-X, that whole post is just more flamebait. You are just taunting and attacking me, not helping. By doing that, you are part of the problem, not part of the solution. Just like almost all your posts, you add nothing constructive, you just attack others.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am concerned about getting the Templar class fixed, because I think it is broken. And yes, there are hundreds of us here trying to achieve that same end. And I did mean hundreds. But this to-and-fro with you is not helping, so I'll just let you get the last word now as I always do, and post on the actual *issue* elsewhere (where no doubt you will attack me again).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Felishanna / Annaelisa</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>PS Kendricke - my post was about Radar-X, not you.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[SenorPhrog]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Caethre wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>Radar-X wrote:</P> <P><BR>Hundreds of other posters?  LOL.   I think you overestimate the support of your revolutionary movement.    I love in your post how you keep saying "we" and "us" and "our"  like you speak for all Templars.   I remember you railing another Templar on these forums for arrogance awhile back.  Those were good times.  In fact, I don't see much more than people agreeing their are some issues that need looking at and...get ready for it...I'm one of those people.</P> <P>I don't think I've called anybody a whiner (at least here) in probably a month so feel free to keep reaching.   I am detecting a little less hostility than usual though.   Are you feeling alright?  You're right though, I'm going to keep voicing my opinion just like you are.   The difference is I can admit when I'm wrong and I don't overestimate my support (which I believe is still at a whopping 0%).    Continue the good fight General Caethre!  Vive le Templars!</P> <P>However if you REALLY cared about Templars you'd be able to put aside your petty issues, tone down your sarcasm and pertinousness, and try and get things fixed without insulting someone or SOE in every post.</P> <P>Message Edited by Radar-X on <SPAN class=date_text>11-18-2005</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>10:55 AM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Radar-X, that whole post is just more flamebait. You are just taunting and attacking me, not helping. By doing that, you are part of the problem, not part of the solution. Just like almost all your posts, you add nothing constructive, you just attack others.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am concerned about getting the Templar class fixed, because I think it is broken. And yes, there are hundreds of us here trying to achieve that same end. And I did mean hundreds. But this to-and-fro with you is not helping, so I'll just let you get the last word now as I always do, and post on the actual *issue* elsewhere (where no doubt you will attack me again).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Felishanna / Annaelisa</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>PS Kendricke - my post was about Radar-X, not you.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>*snags the last word*</P> <P>I still think you are exaggerating with the "hundreds of supporters" especially considering most you moved on to "greener pastures."   I'll take a look though.  *HUG*   Feel better Caethre</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Quijonsith]

This post is about why templars don't have any Sticky Messages.  Granted that I'm a bit guilty of this myself by posting this (and may be guilty of it in the past, but trying not to be), please... PLEASE take personal issues to PM's.  If you get a personal attack or flaimbate talk to each other in PM's and resolve like reasonable adults.  Stop derailing this thread.  <div></div>

[zorbdan]

<P>NO templars can't get a sticky thread . :womansad:</P> <P> </P> <P>You all are teh suck ! :smileytongue:</P> <P> </P> <P>SOE is teh suck ! :smileytongue:</P>

[Xerxess]

<DIV>Nope no stickies...its offical mods hate us =P</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ceathe has been asked for stickies and I've asked for kendrickes post to be sticked....those 2 posts imo are really good posts about what is wrong with templars. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>*sigh* one day...*looks into to dark dismal sky*</DIV>

[rtoub]

<P>Well I will take another stab.  Most of the posts people want stickies of are summaries of what is wrong.  Most positive posts quickly degenerate into bashing.  If they sticked posts listing what is wrong that would make the templars board look bad and discourage anybody from playing the class.  Maybe this is as sign that the Templar class needs some adjustment.  </P> <P>Throwing down the gauntlet SOE, sticky something and show you care or post why you refuse.</P> <P>At the very least you could explain what it takes to get a sticky and maybe we could put aside our differences and come up with something.</P>

[Cowdenic]

<P>All I have to say is WOW Radar X. I am impressed. </P> <P>You know what. I am willing to forget every time that you and Kendricke and a few others have gone out of your way to [Removed for Content] people off if you all are willing to call a truce.</P>

[SenorPhrog]

<DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cowdenicus wrote:<BR> <P>All I have to say is WOW Radar X. I am impressed. </P> <P>You know what. I am willing to forget every time that you and Kendricke and a few others have gone out of your way to [Removed for Content] people off if you all are willing to call a truce.</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><BR>I was never fighting a war Cowdenicus.  I'm not an SOE employee, I don't have an agenda, and I take no pleasure from sparring with people (I can get enough of that in NGD if I need it).  I can admit I came off too strong when I started posting back in here a few months ago and I have done my best to tone it back.  I've personally PM'd at least 4 or 5 people I've argued with in here and indirectly apologized.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In my mind there are most certainly some issues that need looking at and I'm not afraid to admit that.  Its more than clear that a lot of people are still upset, but until we can get a majority of the Templars together and work in a manner that is rational/civil, we're not going to see much love from the Devs.   I'm more than willing to provide my support for any well articulated idea (like BigMak's wisdom should affect heals which I think was a great idea).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I never actually "went out of my way to [Removed for Content] people off."  Its a ability/curse I possess that I can't always control but I'm working on it..  :smileyhappy:</DIV><p>Message Edited by Radar-X on <span class=date_text>11-21-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:57 AM</span>

[cadrach]

<P><SPAN>I wonder if you all visit any of the other boards.<SPAN>  </SPAN>Do you seriously think we are the only ones that ever gripe?<SPAN>  </SPAN>That we are the only ones that bicker or argue?<SPAN>  </SPAN>I keep hearing things such as “Devs don’t post here / we don’t get sticky posts, because we are (insert title here)”<SPAN>  </SPAN>This is bull shenanigans.<SPAN>  </SPAN>We have some dissenting opinions yes, and some of us are not very constructive, yes, but so is every other class board when they have trouble with their character, get nerfed, or feel some slight against them. </SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>We are not getting sticky because either 1.<SPAN>  </SPAN>they just don’t care to do so.<SPAN>  </SPAN>Or 2. We have no Dev / Mod that plays our class AND visits the boards.<SPAN>  </SPAN>Kend has had some good posts and so have some others. Some of them are more constructive than other sticky posts that I have seen on other boards. Yet we don’t even get a reply of “Get over it your not getting sticky posts!”<SPAN>  </SPAN>OR “They are right you all argue to much to get one”<SPAN>  </SPAN></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>I actually wonder why I even bother to come here still.<SPAN>  </SPAN><SPAN>  </SPAN>Oh but hey they did fix a bug!<SPAN>  </SPAN>Bah I bet it is not because of the boards though.<SPAN>  </SPAN>It was probably due to all the bug posts in game (I know I sent a few).<SPAN>  </SPAN>Well heck maybe that is where we should post to the devs…in game…*thinks about it*</SPAN></P>

[cadrach]

<P>*faints*  </P> <P>Ok this thread is no longer needed we got our sticky finally.  </P>