Me too.

[Fivel]

I started another character as well. My primary used to be my 41 templar, but I'm leaning towards my new lvl 20 swashbuckler as my new primary. There are a lot of reasons why, but the biggest reason why is I don't feel my templar is fun to play, and I don't feel the templar is the unquestionably best healer anymore, which is really the reason I started playing the templar in the first place. I'm not going to spend any more time arguing over how good a templar is in comparison to another class anymore, I'm just picking another class that seems to solo well, deal out good damage, and has some nifty group evacs and group invis.Until templars are significantly changed, I'm sitting out. No you can't have my stuff, because maybe someday Sony will change it all again and templars will once again regain that lost crown, but I'm not going to sit around and wait for it.Take care... I'm off to the Swashie forums to stir things up there.<p>Message Edited by Fivel on <span class=date_text>10-27-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:54 PM</span>

[Grimhamm]

<P></P> <P>I know how you feel.  After a year's worth of exclusive play, LU #13 has regressed my templar into a storage mule and a source of income for my new character.</P> <P> </P> <P>I wish there would have been a /reclass, instead of a /respec.  (I've seen this in another game after a major overhaul.)  What extraordinarily reckless handling of year investment of a customer's time.  What arrogance to assume we would all be happy and satsified.  What limited vision to provide no alternative, other than start from scratch.  And for all of these things, what lousy management of a major change in an otherwise excellent product.</P> <P> </P> <P>Sadly, I do not think there will be any improvements to Templars - there have been almost none since LU #13 and LU#16 offers no hope so far.  Plus, there are people -- fully entitled to have and to express their opinions -- who feel the current Templars are wonderful / awesome / excellent.  What I see as shortcomings, they view as challenges that make the class fun.  Since fun is subjective, there's no right or wrong in my opinion or theirs.</P> <P> </P> <P>Best of luck with your new Swashie</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Curati]

<P></P> <P>thats cool your a swashy now. I used to be a guardian. I switched to templar. I personaly am loving being a templar. I dont even care that I dont heal as well as other priests....you know what? I heal better! yes i said better. The shortfalls of the templar class post LU13 has only made me step up my skill. I like having swashys in the group you guys add some great DPS wich in turn helps me not have to heal the MT as much wich in turn lets us fight more stuff thus making my exp bar get filled. It s a win win</P> <P> </P> <P>take care and good luck!</P><p>Message Edited by Curative on <span class=date_text>10-27-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:46 PM</span>

[Arielle Nightshade]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Grimhammer wrote:<BR> <P></P> <P>I know how you feel.  After a year's worth of exclusive play, LU #13 has regressed my templar into a storage mule and a source of income for my new character.</P> <P> </P> <P>I wish there would have been a /reclass, instead of a /respec.  (I've seen this in another game after a major overhaul.)  What extraordinarily reckless handling of year investment of a customer's time.  What arrogance to assume we would all be happy and satsified.  What limited vision to provide no alternative, other than start from scratch.  And for all of these things, what lousy management of a major change in an otherwise excellent product.</P> <P> </P> <P>Sadly, I do not think there will be any improvements to Templars - there have been almost none since LU #13 and LU#16 offers no hope so far.  Plus, there are people -- fully entitled to have and to express their opinions -- who feel the current Templars are wonderful / awesome / excellent.  What I see as shortcomings, they view as challenges that make the class fun.  Since fun is subjective, there's no right or wrong in my opinion or theirs.</P> <P> </P> <P>Best of luck with your new Swashie</P> <P> </P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Very well said.  <BR> <P></P>

[Sleet_Levanter]

<P>I too have stopped playing my 44 templar.  Not for any specific reason I can put my finger on, but it is just not fun to play anymore.  I think a lot of it has to do with increased interrupts and fizzles due to decreased avoidance and loss of parry.  Whatever.  I am having fun for the time being playing a soon-to-be Froglok Shadowknight, though from the sounds of things on the shadowknight board I may find I have significant trouble holding agro when up against groups of mobs.</P> <P>Maybe someday the templar will be fun for me again. /shrug.</P>

[Salastine]

<P>Alts can be lots of fun, sometimes it's nice to gain fresh perspective.  In addition to the alts listed in my sig, i have a 37 ranger, 34 conj, and a few other lowbies...  I always come home to my inquisitor, but i think it's important to keep things new and interesting to maintain your enjoyment of the game.  </P> <P> </P> <P>Hope you find what you're looking for!</P> <P></P>

[Ashenshug]

<P></P> <P>Myself and a few friends came from WoW, in order to check out EQ2 for the rest of our friends to test before bringing over the masses. In the beginning, it was great. I was able to level up to 28 with a moderate challenge, and the game was fun. Then, LU 13 came along, and I haven't logged in but maybe twice a week to check if I sold anything. None of my friends play anymore, and after hearing about the changes, my other guildmates from WoW won't come over either.</P> <P>I had the rare oppurtunity to view the changes from both sides from a newbies eyes, and I must say, this game is a letdown. I'm currently considering cancelling my account, my wife's account, and my son's account. I'm sure once I do that, my other 6 friends will do the same and not recommend EQ2 to others. Basically, being a Templar isn't fun anymore. Sure, we can heal ok (Haven't played since last update when they "balanced" healing) but I do know that nobody needs us anymore.</P> <P>Too bad too. This game has soooooooooo much potential, but it's starting to remind me of Ultima Online. They broke what wasn't broken before.</P>

[Timaarit]

<span><blockquote><hr>Ashenshuger wrote:<p></p> <p>Myself and a few friends came from WoW, in order to check out EQ2 for the rest of our friends to test before bringing over the masses. In the beginning, it was great. I was able to level up to 28 with a moderate challenge, and the game was fun. Then, LU 13 came along, and I haven't logged in but maybe twice a week to check if I sold anything. None of my friends play anymore, and after hearing about the changes, my other guildmates from WoW won't come over either.</p><hr></blockquote>Well if you ask me, the combat change was a good one. I personally like it. What I dont like is how they nerfed clerical heals without giving any utility and gave other healers more healing power without reducing any utility. But if you are new to this game, this will not matter as you can pick the better classes. Downside is that in my eyes SoE has lost all credibility and there is no guarantee that they wont carry on in their overnerfing path. Yes, when SoE changes anything, it is guaranteed to be an overkill. Just look at clerics and recent tradeskill change.</span><p></p>

[rollando]

<P> This is really a class issue, not a game issue. EQ2 is still the only game fitting my gameplay.<BR><BR> My templar is still sought after in groups ( people who used to trust my healing still do :smileywink: ), but his ability to complete the many SOLO quests around has been removed :smileysad:<BR><BR> When the other priest I'm levelling reaches the suitable level to group with my friends, my templar will be retired too.</P> <P> </P> <P></P>

[Geksh]

42 Templar here - also just using her to make cash for my alt .. really sad <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Zapo]

<P>I am in the same boat.</P> <P>Prior to DoF/LU13 99% of the time I only played my templer until he hit 50, did nearly all heritage quests, access quests and many other quests (close to 800 then). I did a lot of grouping but also did a lot of soloing (especially for quests). That took me about half a year. After that I started some low level twinks but just to try things out until LU13....</P> <P>After LU13 I am now lvl 54, there is still much to see for me in DoF, a long way to 60 and I have quests which I need to do, but actually I don't unless I have a group. So I started a twink, lvl 17 predator atm, and he is really fun to solo and group.</P> <P>For me, in the past my templar was fun to play all the time, solo and in group. Now he is only fun in group. I avoid each solo fight when I can as it is boring and not rewarding. Only mobs excluded are the undead using skeleton master and adept 3 on Consecrated Strike. But even those give lousy xp compared to other classes and you can't choose the mobs you have to kill for quests, can you ? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Maybe that's what SOE has in mind for the templer, but somehow I got the feeling there are other classes out there which are fun solo AND in group. Why can't that be for the templer ? At least not for me anymore....</P> <P>This is not meant as a whining. I tried the new templar and I adepted. Maybe not in a way it should be but it works for me. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Anthur</P>

[notxab]

So you made the templar so you could be the best healer.  Now that you think you are [Removed for Content] you start another character.  My question is this: will you reroll again when you realize that Swashy's aren't the best scout DPS? <span><blockquote><hr>Fivel wrote:I started another character as well. My primary used to be my 41 templar, but I'm leaning towards my new lvl 20 swashbuckler as my new primary. There are a lot of reasons why, but the biggest reason why is I don't feel my templar is fun to play, and I don't feel the templar is the unquestionably best healer anymore, which is really the reason I started playing the templar in the first place. I'm not going to spend any more time arguing over how good a templar is in comparison to another class anymore, I'm just picking another class that seems to solo well, deal out good damage, and has some nifty group evacs and group invis.Until templars are significantly changed, I'm sitting out. No you can't have my stuff, because maybe someday Sony will change it all again and templars will once again regain that lost crown, but I'm not going to sit around and wait for it.Take care... I'm off to the Swashie forums to stir things up there.<p>Message Edited by Fivel on <span class="date_text">10-27-2005</span> <span class="time_text">02:54 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote></span> <div></div>

[bigmak20]

Deleted all quests except HQs and Access quests.  I don't do writs unless they're done as a group.  The only time I "solo" is harvesting... and even that's annoying as heck because nodes are constantly lost to every other class in the game that one and two shots the green MoBs while I'm going through five or six HO cycles inbetween many interrupts.. lol But atleast I'm already full cobalt from all the harvesting waiting for groups (and many nights I logout after a couple hours and don't ever get a group -- tends to be when the furies are logged in). Templar is a good healer and asset in some groups.  That demand is plummeting since we are now excluded from exp groups when there's a fury around that can help mow down MoBs considerably faster. Templar's are still an asset in raids since they need all healing varieties. All-in-all... least desirable priest but doesn't mean we aren't still a good priest.

[Caethre]

OOC.<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> notxabbu wrote:<BR>So you made the templar so you could be the best healer.  Now that you think you are [Removed for Content] you start another character.  My question is this: will you reroll again when you realize that Swashy's aren't the best scout DPS?<BR><SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Fivel wrote:<BR><BR>Take care... I'm off to the Swashie forums to stir things up there. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE></SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>I may be wrong, but If he was choosing a class for DPS, he would choose Wizard or Ranger I would suspect. Whether I am right or wrong on that, let's for argument's sake say he chose Wizard. He would then have wonderful nuking DPS amongst mages.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But yes, in ten months time, if DPS is "rebalanced" such that all  mages have the same nuking DPS (but all other abilities of all mage classes are ignored), and Conjurors get the same nuking power as Wizards, but also get to keep their pets too, in another episode of ludicrous selective balancing not taking all factors into account, I'm sure then he would feel forced to reroll yet again.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Felishanna / Annaelisa</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Seeai]

<DIV><FONT size=1> <P>So many times I browse over these boards and all I see is complaints and people giving up and quitting. Most of these people are not even 60 and haven't even upgraded their spells. I have been playing in this game since Nov of 2004 and I am very aware of the changes and the effects its had, personally.. I like it. We need to understand and accept that we were way too powerful before the change. Templars could pretty much solo heal a group.. heck even a raid lol ...this was not how it was meant to be. I hit a stumbling block around 53 and 54 and I thought that I wouldn't like all the new changes to my char.. but now at 60 with all spells upgraded and masters.. I love my class even more then before. We are still very much needed in groups and raids and while I don't feel like our healing ability is quite as powerful as it used to be, I think we are more efficient and now I feel like every heal matters. It's become an art form to mix and match heals and combinations to heal like I used to.. but that just means I have to be more pro active and more aware. Instead of dwelling on the past and comparing it.. level to 60, upgrade your spells and armor and then give an opinion about your class. But don't give up before you have seen what your class can really do.</P></FONT></DIV>

[Curati]

<DIV>ADAPT AND OVERCOME.....i did</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sure LU13 changed us....FOR   THE   BETTER in the over all big picture of the future of the game. Do I wish I had more utility (group invise vs undead)..sure...do i wish my heal timers were unlinked? (do this for all priests)...sure...am I mad or upset because a HEALER cant solo that good? .... Nope, not one bit.  I HEAL my group and every once in a while a group member will fall because I couldn't get a heal off in time or somesuch but at the end of the day, I was my groups healer and that is all that mattered because we had <FONT color=#ffff00><STRONG>FUN</STRONG></FONT> and (if all goes well) without to many deaths. THIS is what it comes down to.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I dont see myself as a fanboi or whatever I see myself (when im playing) as <STRONG><EM><FONT color=#0066ff>Curative Bydesign</FONT> </EM></STRONG>Erudite Holyman/Doctor whos mission it is to keep the masses of Norrath Alive and well<EM><FONT size=2>..(what is this SOE you of which you speak?) </FONT></EM>.....if my magic changes then so do I.</DIV>

[Meribor]

Since I've become addicted to mmorpg's and have severe altitis, I've usually rolled casters as my main followed by a healer-type as "main alt" ... and bunches of other classes for the fun of it.  When I finally started EQ2 in July, I decided to try healer first ... so I rolled a templar and decided she was a lot of fun so she became my main.  I love helping others in groups and love that aspect of my templar, but I dislike relying on others to help with my quests and when I only had time to solo that's what I did ... worked on quests.  She could do it ... slowly maybe but doable and I still considered it fun playing her.  After the CU, it became still doable but only for some things and definitely not fun for me any more.  So now she has been shelved for the most part.   My guild is small and generally higher level since I started so late and I now have to rely way too much on pick up groups ... 'nuf said on that I think. At first, I was going with my wizard and was having a blast (pun intended  <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ), but then decided to try necromancer for something different.  I've had so much fun with her that she is now going to be my main with my templar as my "main alt".   BTW, I play an enchanter in EQ and love her, but I'd rather have all my teeth pulled out than roll an enchanter in EQ2 .... my opinion is that SOE has never and will never know how to deal with the class. No other point to this post, just my response to this topic. <div></div>

[socrates3]

I'm in the same boat as everyone. As a 38 templar I was in Feerot trying to solo snakes and lizards - it takes ALL of my spells and skills to solo an even con down arrow mob and by the end of the fight I am less than 50 percent health and if there are any adds, forget it. My emergency heal sucks now. It's just not fun. I'm looking at my 8.7 percent avoidance (with full Feyiron plate) and wondering "Why they heck am I playing this class" when i can be having fun playing some other class that is less arduous. Templars are fine in groups, but I think for soloing Templars suck so bad that its laughable. Descartes <div></div>

[Xaax]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Curative wrote:<BR> <P></P> <P>thats cool your a swashy now. I used to be a guardian. I switched to templar. I personaly am loving being a templar. I dont even care that I dont heal as well as other priests....you know what? I heal better! yes i said better. The shortfalls of the templar class post LU13 has only made me step up my skill. I like having swashys in the group you guys add some great DPS wich in turn helps me not have to heal the MT as much wich in turn lets us fight more stuff thus making my exp bar get filled. It s a win win</P> <P> </P> <P>take care and good luck!</P> <P>Message Edited by Curative on <SPAN class=date_text>10-27-2005</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>01:46 PM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#66ff66>150% agree here. If ya don’t like being a Templar then don’t be one. I wish ya luck in your new class or in your new game. For me I have enjoyed my Templar sense eq2 went live. </FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#66ff66>I also played eq1 as a druid for close to 6 years before I moved on. Changes happen; it’s just the way of SoE. Some changes are good, some changes are bad. If you don’t like it then I suggest you move on. One thing I am sure of is that it will take SoE months at least to get around to fixing anything. EQ2 is a game, if ya don’t like how it is now do something else for a few months and come back, they do not delete your account. After all is all about having fun, if your not having fun then you should be doing something else.</FONT></SPAN></P>

[Sinnester]

<P>Its a long road from lvl 30 to lvl 60 and a templar is not the most exciting class to level.   I will say that once your templar hits 60 it is rewarding and you should feel a sense of accomplishment.  However, if you don't enjoy a templar - don't play one!</P> <P>I will state this again - at level 60 Templars are still the most powerful healers and there is no question in my mind about it.  However, you will not realize this until your templar is up to/past lvl 54 and your heal spells/buffs are at least adept III.  Of course, it always depends on the person behind the character to be the best at your class.</P> <P>We still have a dps problem and I still don't believe our group reactive is stacking right with other healers (I've quit trying to prove it).  We also need our special spells changed a little then I would be a happy camper.</P> <P> </P>

[Marcus]

<P>Curative, I agree with a lot of your post.  My magic has changed and so should my character.  Personally, I put a lot of effort into roleplaying my character.  Before, I was a militant cleric on a mission.  I had the heavy armor and mace and spells to back it up.  Now, my powers have changed.  What do I roleplay now?  A militant cleric who barely knows how to move in his armor?  Who can barely swing his mace?  Who can barely summon up a sufficient smite to kill a gnoll?  If anything I feel like my templar should be an old man, who can cast powerful healing spells but is too feeble to do much of anything else.  That isn't the role I signed up for.</P> <P>So, like several others I've switched over to a Shadowknight.  A crusader on a mission with the heavy armor, big sword, and spells to back it up.  Sounds familiar, huh?  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Of course, I'll keep my Templar around.  My friends might need me, if our Fury isn't around.  Besides, too much work went into him to give up on him, but he's just not much fun to play anymore.  Not for me, anyway.</P>

[Salastine]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MarcusHT wrote:<BR> <P>Before, I was a militant cleric on a mission. </P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Sounds like you might have been happier in Freeport, then. :p  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I totally understand the solo DPS situation, and i'm also one who feels you all could use a bump.  But i have to ask, is it really that much less/slower than it was pre-13?  I havn't taken the time to research your spell changes (i probably should before asking this question, meh), but was there a significant reduction in DPS?  I know mob hp's are either the same or less than before, and i'm seeing posts that you're able to do around 70 DPS at level 51... was it really much MORE DPS than that pre-13?</DIV>

[Curati]

SK are the bomb as well! I was thinking about making one once <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I guess for me, killin stuff is not Curatives primary goal..its boring and awkward for him. If i cant get a group within a resonable time I log out and play a good fast FPS for a few then I log back in and try to find me a group again. I heal people...killing is very secondary to me heck i would even give up all damage capability for more heals

[Fivel]

<span><blockquote><hr>notxabbu wrote:So you made the templar so you could be the best healer.  Now that you think you are [Removed for Content] you start another character.  My question is this: will you reroll again when you realize that Swashy's aren't the best scout DPS? <span></span> <div></div><hr></blockquote>Haha, but I never said they were the best Scout DPS, and I'm not operating under that assumption.   I just think they are very good DPS.  I think the DPS with the combination of the combat group evac and the group stealth make him fairly lucrative.  I could have researched my choice a little more, but I went into the creation of the Swashie with no set expectations other than knowing that my Swashbuckler guildie friend is a great addition to my typical core group and that his DPS is better than most classes I've had group with us... save the occasional wizard or ranger.   His gear is quite good, so its not an entirely fair evaluation.  But I also went and checked out the swashie board.   They seem to be pretty happy with the class overall gauging from their posts.  I don't see many complaints over there.  That seems to be a good sign, and so far I have no complaints. </span><div></div>

[notxab]

<span>Ok, good.  I just didn't want you to get your hopes up that you would out dps a ranger.  That being said, I am partial to swashies.  I have a 37 swashbucker that I enjoy immensely when I do play him.  You (and your group) will love the group steath and your mez spell can help keep a group alive.<blockquote><hr>Fivel wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>notxabbu wrote:So you made the templar so you could be the best healer.  Now that you think you are [Removed for Content] you start another character.  My question is this: will you reroll again when you realize that Swashy's aren't the best scout DPS? <span></span> <div></div><hr></blockquote>Haha, but I never said they were the best Scout DPS, and I'm not operating under that assumption.   I just think they are very good DPS.  I think the DPS with the combination of the combat group evac and the group stealth make him fairly lucrative.  I could have researched my choice a little more, but I went into the creation of the Swashie with no set expectations other than knowing that my Swashbuckler guildie friend is a great addition to my typical core group and that his DPS is better than most classes I've had group with us... save the occasional wizard or ranger.   His gear is quite good, so its not an entirely fair evaluation.  But I also went and checked out the swashie board.   They seem to be pretty happy with the class overall gauging from their posts.  I don't see many complaints over there.  That seems to be a good sign, and so far I have no complaints. </span><div></div><hr></blockquote></span><div></div>

[SenorPhrog]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sinnester wrote:<BR> <P>Its a long road from lvl 30 to lvl 60 and a templar is not the most exciting class to level.   I will say that once your templar hits 60 it is rewarding and you should feel a sense of accomplishment.  However, if you don't enjoy a templar - don't play one!</P> <P>I will state this again - at level 60 Templars are still the most powerful healers and there is no question in my mind about it.  However, you will not realize this until your templar is up to/past lvl 54 and your heal spells/buffs are at least adept III.  Of course, it always depends on the person behind the character to be the best at your class.</P> <P>We still have a dps problem and I still don't believe our group reactive is stacking right with other healers (I've quit trying to prove it).  We also need our special spells changed a little then I would be a happy camper.</P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I'd say it gets better over 46 (I think thats when you get your master 2 choice).   The 30's and early 40's is pretty brutal especially if you like to solo.<BR>

[xxFlukexx]

<DIV>Yeah my first alt is a swashy too, hehe.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is just an inherent problem with priests in most MMORPG games. I mean you can heal so you can't be given any fun offensive spells or melee combat arts or else you be be two classes in one. Hacking at a monster and doing lots of damage is more fun to more people than just healing. So if you want to be a priest make sure you really want to be a priest. I mean you don't get much respect, you can't really brag about much, you need to react fast, and if someone dies people glare at you(they may not say anything, but you know what they are thinking, hehe)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That being said, priests are tied with tanks as being the most important to a good group(at least imo) and there is some excitement when you don't know if you can keep the tank up and when the tank takes some spike damage you go "ahhhhh"  and that's fun. </DIV>