The big turn!

[Helmarf]

<DIV>When hitting lvl 54 things started to change, ones again i can say that we are the NO.1 healers again. We get our grand intercession spell master 2, and it helps alot both for solo and grouping. And upgrading concecrated strike to a3 is very nice to play whit against the undead creatures especily when ppl debuff them to, feels very nice to hit them whit a total damage around 1000 -1400. And all that fizz and interupts is not that common anymore to. Ok we still solo slow compared to most all other classes, but hey we doing it safe and thats fine for me.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Finaly i got that nice templar kick back =)</DIV>

[kenji]

<P>u must have 400+ int..to smite 700 alone and double to 1400 =)</P> <P> </P> <P>Druid's single HoT is same power cost and same heal but 1 more tick.. =p</P>

[Jida]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Helmarf wrote:<BR> <DIV>When hitting lvl 54 things started to change, ones again i can say that we are the NO.1 healers again. We get our grand intercession spell master 2, and it helps alot both for solo and grouping. And upgrading concecrated strike to a3 is very nice to play whit against the undead creatures especily when ppl debuff them to, feels very nice to hit them whit a total damage around 1000 -1400. And all that fizz and interupts is not that common anymore to. Ok we still solo slow compared to most all other classes, but hey we doing it safe and thats fine for me.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Finaly i got that nice templar kick back =)</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>the undead smite is 350ish to 450 ish x2. with 100ish int. thats alot of debuffing or you have alot of INT.. which is it?</P> <P> </P> <P>Elder</P>

[Helmarf]

Solo i only have 98 int, but when playing whit char whit int buffs the it happens <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[SnowKnight]

<DIV>Lets see 5 extra damage per 20 int or so, 250 dmg roughly that means youd need about 1400 int to do 700 damage with the smite you have... nice buffs your friend must have. I find at the most my damage gos up about 20 - 40 on the mainlines from grpmates buffs.</DIV>

[Supernova17]

Consecrated Strike Adept3 with Divine debuffing from the Mark line, it is not uncommon to hit for 1k damage against undead just solo. <div></div>

[OlaeviaTraisharan]

There are definitely "hell" levels where you can't do much damage at all. I was in one until I hit 37 and got my Warring Faith spell upgrade. Now I solo fairly easily. I'm just waiting for the next reactive upgrade at this point, because it's proving fairly useless when I group with people in their early 40's <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Helmarf]

<DIV>Sorry Snowkinght, but i realy dont know where you getting at? But whit Mark of kings a3 and int buff from lets say illusiont and a fury, dont know if they have a divine debuff to, when grouping up whit them things start to happend i promise you.</DIV>

[kenji]

<DIV>if our 500 nukes can do 700 dmg , 1400 on undead with all the debuffs....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>a fury's 1600 nukes can also do 2240 with all the debuffs too...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>are we getting closer to best priest class? /grin</DIV>

[Supernova17]

<span><blockquote><hr>kenjiso wrote:<div>if our 500 nukes can do 700 dmg , 1400 on undead with all the debuffs....</div> <div> </div> <div>a fury's 1600 nukes can also do 2240 with all the debuffs too...</div> <div> </div> <div>are we getting closer to best priest class? /grin</div><hr></blockquote>I play with a few nukes on raids for the heck of it, Judgement Smite is only rated to hit around the mid 350's but with INT buffs and mostly Devine debuffs, it'll hit for 600+ =D</span><div></div>

[Helmarf]

<P>Highest magic hit 1459, thats realy good for la itlle templar like me =)</P>

[Kendricke]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Helmarf wrote:<BR> <P>Highest magic hit 1459, thats realy good for la itlle templar like me =)</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>He's not just making it up:  <A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer_achievements.vm?characterId=307803204" target=_blank>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer_achievements.vm?characterId=307803204</A> <P></P>

[Danter]

<P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P>Using EQ2 players for statistical evidence is a joke.</P> <P> </P> <P>The magic hit could have come from a group HO or could flat out be a bug.</P> <P> </P> <P>Example - <A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer_achievements.vm?characterId=145908113" target=_blank>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer_achievements.vm?characterId=145908113</A></P> <P> </P> <P>Highest Magic Hit - <SPAN class=field_data_large>299,124 Damage.  </SPAN></P> <P><SPAN class=field_data_large></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN class=field_data_large></SPAN></SPAN></P> <P>I'm sure that's really possible as a Guardian....considering they have 0 magical attacks.</P> <P> </P> <P>Items like Shimmering Star Breastplate and Illusionist's reflect on raid mobs can do wonders.</P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by Danterus on <span class=date_text>10-26-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:48 AM</span>

[Kendricke]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Danterus wrote:<BR> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P>Using EQ2 players for statistical evidence is a joke.</P> <P> </P> <P>The magic hit could have come from a group HO or could flat out be a bug.</P> <P> </P> <P>Example - <A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer_achievements.vm?characterId=145908113" target=_blank>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer_achievements.vm?characterId=145908113</A></P> <P> </P> <P>Highest Magic Hit - <SPAN class=field_data_large>299,124 Damage.  </SPAN></P> <P><SPAN class=field_data_large></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN class=field_data_large></SPAN></SPAN></P> <P>I'm sure that's really possible as a Guardian....considering they have 0 magical attacks.</P> <P> </P> <P>Items like Shimmering Star Breastplate and Illusionist's reflect on raid mobs can do wonders.</P> <P> </P> <P><BR>  <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P>Well yes, if you're assuming that when he says he claims he's smacking undead for "total damage around 1000 -1400" that he only meant direct spell damage, that's entirely up to you.  Just realize that he didn't post the link to EQ2 Players to back up his claim.  I went snooping around and had to guess his Templar name after finding a 6 month old post where he mentioned his bard's name.  He mentioned that he's done a highest magic hit of X and I confirmed that his character performed a highest magic hit of X.  </P> <P> </P> <P>At no point has he actually said the damage did not include heroic opportunities (which frankly, we can't just ignore).  Any other assumptions made should not be blamed on him.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P></P>

[SnowKnight]

My highest magic hit is <A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer_achievements.vm?characterId=229997114" target=_blank><SPAN class=field_data_large>2,405 Damage</SPAN> </A>but that doesnt mean I did it with a smite or strike. It was from a multi class  HO which I happened to finish. Yes the strike hits for more than smite, against undead. But even so thats still like 700 int needed.</SPAN> <P></P>

[rtoub]

<P>Sheesh, calm down people, all he said was he hit 54 and is having more fun.  Have to say I had the same experience.  Better DPS, better healing less interupts and fizzles.  We don't have to turn everything into a Solo DPS vs Fury arguement.</P> <P>When all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail.</P> <P></P>

[kenji]

<P>dont put the HO HighestHit here...we all know that the 1000-1400 means 500x2-700x2 hit... wont pass 1k single smite</P> <P> </P> <P>/bonk all</P> <P></P>

[Helmarf]

<P></P>It hurts me when ppl think im telling lies here, heh why would i do that for? I was trying to spred some hope here to all the templars who feeling down and give you some hope. And atm in guild we lost 3 templars who quit playing eq2 because of all the changes, so get out there whit you and be the healer you choised to be!

[Timaarit]

<span><blockquote><hr>Kendricke wrote: <blockquote> <hr> Helmarf wrote: <p>Highest magic hit 1459, thats realy good for la itlle templar like me =)</p> <hr> </blockquote>He's not just making it up:  <a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer_achievements.vm?characterId=307803204" target="_blank">http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer_achievements.vm?characterId=307803204</a> <p></p><hr></blockquote>Sigh, my highest magic hit is close to 5000, and that was at lvl 48. It was a result from a 4 step HO while grouping. So what are you celebrating? Some classes have made over 60000 points of damage. I know that my templar could do that if I were the last link in a 6 step HO.</span><div></div>

[Helmarf]

<P>Well the thing i was talking on was that great damage against undead we will do when we get the concecrated strike at lvl 54, not HO damage that you will do on a 4 or 5 step on it. And this is not a celebrating my self thread, but its seems you want some credits for your 5000, "GRATZ Timaarit  =) ". And the meaning whit the thread is still to give some hope to all templars out there.</P> <P> </P>

[Timaarit]

Well templars only hope is in grouping. And even in that, we are no longer the best option. I just got my templar to lvl 54 mostly by soloing. The quests in PoF are a true pain to templars. Anyone who has dueled a healing class should know. Some of the solo quests there require killing solo healers that have clerical heals. The heals heal for 250 to 270 points and my nukes do about that damage. Every single fight agaist those last for close to 3 minutes and in the end the mob is at 0 power and health and my templar was at 50% to 100% health and close to 0 power. Also as it is, our pacify line breaks with damage. Warlock and conjurer pacify does not. So no, there is not much hope for our class untill some of the devs pick a templar as their main. <div></div>

[LilHelp]

<P>Geez, all he wanted to say was he is enjoying his Templar more now that he made lvl 54. As for that, SO AM I ! Once I made lvl 54, the game made a drastic change. The Grand Intersession heals for more than most mobs hit, so the MT gains health when hit, just like pre LU-13. Now that I am LVL 57 I am the sole healer in groups and rarely go below 50% mana. All you nay sayers, whiners, and doubting thomases please do  the entire Templar community a favor and reroll another toon or go play another game. For Gods sake people, give it a rest. If you must complain, [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], and moan, post it on one of the 50...whoa is me threads and lay in your own misery.</P> <P><FONT size=5>TEMPLARS ARE NUMBER ONE <STRIKE>AGAIN</STRIKE> STILL!</FONT></P>

[Timaarit]

<span><blockquote>LilHelper wrote:<p>Geez, all he wanted to say was he is enjoying his Templar more now that he made lvl 54. As for that, SO AM I ! Once I made lvl 54, the game made a drastic change. The Grand Intersession heals for more than most mobs hit, so the MT gains health when hit, just like pre LU-13. Now that I am LVL 57 I am the sole healer in groups and rarely go below 50% mana. All you nay sayers, whiners, and doubting thomases please do  the entire Templar community a favor and reroll another toon or go play another game. For Gods sake people, give it a rest. If you must complain, [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], and moan, post it on one of the 50...whoa is me threads and lay in your own misery.</p> <p><font size="5">TEMPLARS ARE NUMBER ONE <strike>AGAIN</strike> STILL!</font></p> <div></div><hr></blockquote>Sorry to break this to you, but what do you think other healers get at lvl 54? Exactly, they get a similar heal. What does that mean? It means that even though our heal is great and so on, theirs is just as good in comparison as the one before. So if you couldn't heal at lvl 53 and they could, well, at 54 they can still heal better than you. But true, healing is easier with the lvl 54 m2 heal. But then again, so it will be for all other healing classes. Since we were not the NO.1 at lvl 53, we sure wont be that at lvl 54 either. </span><div></div>