I know Halloween is coming up, but can we stop the Fury Witch hunt.................................. [Archive]

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darkeo

10-24-2005, 02:37 PM

A Fury's point of view............... I have been keeping an eye on the various message boards and the Templar one seems to be the most active, i am a level 52 Fury and since the game has come out we have been the underdogs in regards to healing, in fact we have been the pits. Our DPS before the combat patch was ok, but overall i do not think that we were what SOE described in the initial brief of being a Fury, if we were then we were a watered down version. When i was taking part in raids i was never in the "Main group" as the healing positions were filled with Clerics, Shaman and Wardens, simply because our healing was way under par with the rest, bearing in mind that SOE stated that "all healers should be able to heal the same". Along comes the Combat upgrade and hey, We get a boost to our DPS, the numbers look high for the AOE DD and Single DD, but they come with a longish cast time and a very long recast time, but hey we are Priest's not Wizzards, so i am happy with the DPS increase. The Combat upgrade also changed the heals that all healers recieved, i still had trouble keeping up the health of the MT as in total my direct heals were 350 + 700, they had a quick cast time, but the recast time was a little to long to sustain health of the MT. My regens at the time were doing 117 per tick for 12 secs, so they were not helping that much. So what happens next, there is a new patch, and Wehey! our regens get a much needed boost and you know what, i can keep a MT alive! SOE in the patch stated that they would make our regens come into line with the Clerics reactives, so in essense we would be healing inline with other healers on an equal par!! SOE had actually fulfilled their promise in that "All healers should be able to heal the same" a little late in coming, but a welcomed relief from the Furys out there. We are where i believe we should have been when the game first came out, an offensive Healer that has the same healing capabilites as other healers, but we have an offensive edge to us. So can you all stop trying to get us Nerfed, we are happy now, we are where we should be, please be happy for us and stop this "Nerf the Fury" attitude. Btw you can flame this message all you want, but it is my perspective on things. Tabitha 52 Fury Runnyeye P.S. for the record i do believe that Temp's need their own edge to their class, but nerfing Fury's is not the way to getting that Edge. <div></div>

xxFlukexx

10-24-2005, 02:58 PM

<DIV>Ok, first I think this should be closed as it will probably break out into flames or god knows what else. Your point is good: buff up classes instead of nerfing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The problem is with a few templar utility spells need to be changed or fixed and maybe a good ol' 10% increase to damage across the board.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for DPS, as I look at the Inq spells(can't find any Templar ones) I see that Druids do say 50% more on our main DD, but our spell costs 50% more power. It works out that the classes DPS per mana per second per recharge time(ie when you account for everything) is actually very even. But the problem is that it is MUCH more beneficial to have all of your damage/healing done all at once instead of more efficient or over time. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So actually we all want the same thing: Wardens want heals to be more instant and Inqs want their DDs to have more damage upfront with a greater power cost.</DIV>

Timaarit

10-24-2005, 03:21 PM

<div></div><blockquote>darkeorl wrote: So can you all stop trying to get us Nerfed, we are happy now, we are where we should be, please be happy for us and stop this "Nerf the Fury" attitude. Btw you can flame this message all you want, but it is my perspective on things.<hr></blockquote>Well templars were happy pre lu13 and got nerfed to near obsolete status. And you do know SoE's logic when a class is happy. So you shouldn't have said that out loud.<div></div>

rollando

10-24-2005, 04:05 PM

<DIV>We are where i believe we should have been when the game first came out, an offensive Healer that has the same healing capabilites as other healers, but we have an offensive edge to us. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You couldn't have found a better description of the problem. When looking for a healer, what would a group choose : A - a healer who can heal for a X amount, and bring nothing else B - a healer who can heal for 0.95 * X ( I assume that templars still have a slight advantage in raw healing ), and group invis, and DPS a bit ? Templars are a group-only class, yet now bring less to a group than the other healers, who are more solo-friendly.</DIV>

darkeo

10-24-2005, 04:19 PM

Rollando, you know i actually agree with you, but what all Temp's must understand is that us Fury's have been the underdog for such a long time, we just want to keep hold of what we have now and when i see threads saying "Nerf Fury's" it makes my blood boil (These quotes have been on different boards, i am not pointing the finger at any specific group or class) I agree that Clerics need their edge, i said it before and i will again, but people whining about what Fury's can or cannot do is not being constructive, Temp's need to specifically state what they want. I personally see Clerics as a Good Healer, Group Buffer that greatly increase's the Mit, HPs and specific resistances of the group with a little more dps for when they want to solo, to me that is the joint message that you guys need to be saying to SOE, all of this bickering and SOE are gonna just leave you as you are. Its just from my perspective, i like Temp's i have never asked for them to be "Nerfed" even when they greatly outhealed me since the start of the game i didn't want them dragged down to my level of healing, i would like the same respect shown to my class, we are all in this game together. Tabitha 52 Fury Runnyeye

Timaarit

10-24-2005, 04:26 PM

How many templars have you actually seen demanding furies to be nerfed? <div></div>

darkeo

10-24-2005, 04:37 PM

(These quotes have been on different boards, i am not pointing the finger at any specific group or class) Did i say Templers? i cannot see it in my thread? Tabitha 52 Fury Runnyeye

cadrach

10-24-2005, 04:47 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> darkeorl wrote: So what happens next, there is a new patch, and Wehey! our regens get a much needed boost and you know what, i can keep a MT alive! SOE in the patch stated that they would make our regens come into line with the Clerics reactives, so in essense we would be healing inline with other healers on an equal par!! <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> I dont want to nerf furies, in fact I am far from that thought. What you say above is what I have said all along. If your going to "make the regens come into line with the clerics reactives" then you have to do the same for the DPS. This is a simple concept. I know people dont want to see all the classes the same, but you can not focus on just healing. If you do then there is no reason to choose a Templar. Now to give you an idea what I am talking about lets look it over ok. Templars. Healing = great Utility = Lacking somewhat DPS = Pits Furies Healing = Great Utility = Pretty dang good DPS Great ALL OTHER PRIEST CLASSES (with exception for Inquisitor? Not sure here so dont beat me up.) Healing = Great Utility = Pretty dang Good DPS = Great or Pretty Dang good! So if you saw the above post who would you choose to be. All Priest classes now heal the same or similar, but DPS for Tempar is sorely lacking and their utility is subpar to the other classes. If you look at equality in healing you MUST look at the utility and damage as well or you will unbalance the game. Was it inbalanced before? Sure it was and I am glad they fixed it for you, really I am. But now it is inbalanced for us? What sense does this make?

SenorPhrog

10-24-2005, 04:48 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> darkeorl wrote: (These quotes have been on different boards, i am not pointing the finger at any specific group or class) Did i say Templers? i cannot see it in my thread? Tabitha 52 Fury Runnyeye <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>I don't see you saying Templars but I do see you posting this in the Templar forums so its a pretty simple A to B conclusion. We didn't have enough back and forth arguing with Furies in other threads in here so you decided to make another?</DIV>

Timaarit

10-24-2005, 04:56 PM

<blockquote><hr>darkeorl wrote: (These quotes have been on different boards, i am not pointing the finger at any specific group or class) Did i say Templers? i cannot see it in my thread? Tabitha 52 Fury Runnyeye<hr></blockquote>Well go post to those places and threads then istead of trolling templars who just want something in return for not being the best healers anymore and still being nothing more than just healers.<div></div>

Kendricke

10-24-2005, 05:08 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Timaarit wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> darkeorl wrote: (These quotes have been on different boards, i am not pointing the finger at any specific group or class) Did i say Templers? i cannot see it in my thread? Tabitha 52 Fury Runnyeye <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Well go post to those places and threads then istead of trolling templars who just want something in return for not being the best healers anymore and still being nothing more than just healers. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> We're still the best healers. I was grouped last night with a guild Fury and Shaman in Clefts of Rujark. We took turns healing. When the Shaman and Fury didn't have to worry about healing, our group's DPS went to 750-800 (DPS was low overall, since we were using 3 priests and a fighter in a group with a mage and scout backing us up). When they had to worry about healing, we dropped to around 500. Overall, I had the least trouble keeping the group standing, with the Mystic able to do fine as well. The Fury had trouble healing, and would consistently call for assistance when either (1) the heals weren't enough, or (2) she grabbed hate from blast healing. In addition, when it was my turn to stop healing, I got yelled at by the other two for "sneaking" heals, when numbers came up that I'd healed the group for around 1500-2000 health. Come to find out, it was my two Glory of Combats firing off with my Mark of Kings debuff (in a group with three priests, you want to debuff divine). (I was also the only one who kept casting AE Cures, because we kept getting hit with group wide trauma hits.)

darkeo

10-24-2005, 05:09 PM

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Radar-X wrote:<blockquote><hr>darkeorl wrote:(These quotes have been on different boards, i am not pointing the finger at any specific group or class)Did i say Templers? i cannot see it in my thread?Tabitha52 Fury Runnyeye<hr></blockquote><div>I don't see you saying Templars but I do see you posting this in the Templar forums so its a pretty simple A to B conclusion. We didn't have enough back and forth arguing with Furies in other threads in here so you decided to make another?</div><hr></blockquote> Its only a conclusion if you see it that way, it would have been more if i had not put the comments in brackets, but there you go, i am trying to make a constuctive thread, not an arguement. As regards to Cadrach, Your version Templars. Healing = great Utility = Lacking somewhat DPS = Pits The way that i would envisage Temp's Templars. Healing = great (maybe a little less power used) Utility = Lacking somewhat (Greatly improved) DPS = Pits (reasonably improved) And it does not make sense that you are Broken/Nerfed, when in a group with a Temp and me, it takes a tough cookie to kill the MT with both of us healing him. An great increase in your DPS is not the answer, you are not offensive healer, otherwise you would have rolled a Druid, your utility is where your stength lies, an increase in DPS is needed by the looks of the other threads, but not inline with Druids, adding HP's, Mit & resists would do more to keep the group alive that extra DPS. Tabitha 52 Fury Runnyeye

SenorPhrog

10-24-2005, 05:17 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> darkeorl wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Radar-X wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> darkeorl wrote: (These quotes have been on different boards, i am not pointing the finger at any specific group or class) Did i say Templers? i cannot see it in my thread? Tabitha 52 Fury Runnyeye <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>I don't see you saying Templars but I do see you posting this in the Templar forums so its a pretty simple A to B conclusion. We didn't have enough back and forth arguing with Furies in other threads in here so you decided to make another?</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Its only a conclusion if you see it that way, it would have been more if i had not put the comments in brackets, but there you go, i am trying to make a constuctive thread, not an arguement. As regards to Cadrach, Your version Templars. Healing = great Utility = Lacking somewhat DPS = Pits The way that i would envisage Temp's Templars. Healing = great (maybe a little less power used) Utility = Lacking somewhat (Greatly improved) DPS = Pits (reasonably improved) And it does not make sense that you are Broken/Nerfed, when in a group with a Temp and me, it takes a tough cookie to kill the MT with both of us healing him. An great increase in your DPS is not the answer, you are not offensive healer, otherwise you would have rolled a Druid, your utility is where your stength lies, an increase in DPS is needed by the looks of the other threads, but not inline with Druids, adding HP's, Mit & resists would do more to keep the group alive that extra DPS. Tabitha 52 Fury Runnyeye <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Why didn't this get posted in the Mystic forum or in the Combat, Spells, and Abiltiies? You were taking a shot at Templars who were complaining about Furies. Thats not going to bother me in the least either but I would expect some shots back. How is "Please stop complaining about Furies" (yes I summarized) constructive? How is this same discussion for like the third time in a week constructive?

Supernova17

10-24-2005, 09:11 PM

<blockquote><hr>cadrach wrote:<div></div> Templars. Healing = greatUtility = Lacking somewhatDPS = Pits <div></div><hr> Sorry, my personal view on Templars: Healing = Very Powerful Utility = Excellent support healing (define utility, I see additional healing as utility. I see "so called" Fury utility in the form of a Totem of the Wolf and Totem of Chameleon.) DPS = I agree here, it is a tad low. </blockquote><div></div>

Raijinn

10-24-2005, 09:20 PM

<DIV>Closed flame bait.</DIV>