The young ones

[Whizbang]

<DIV>I've always noticed this, but it's become more apparent with the DoF expansion and the CU and following updates.  Most of the posts in these threads are made by high level players, i'm going to guess 45+ in level, although i want to say 50+.  They are always talking about T6 spell lines and how they compare with other things, characters, etc. etc.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What about us younger players, in terms of level not age/maturity?  I'm a lvl 36 Templar and have no clue as to these spells being discussed because i don't have Mark of Kings, i have Mark of Princes... i don't have GoC, i don't have any of the other spells that are always discussed.  I have the spells given to me at my lvl.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I find it interesting that many people here are bickering/proving points about these few T5-T6 spells when there are many of us 'younger' Templars that have yet to experience the likes.  I know that it has been said that the T6 series of spells are the end-all-be-all of our spells...but how does that pertain to those of use that have yet to reach those milestones?  How do your discussions/arguments/positions apply to us when we have 10+ levels to go before we begin to see these 'ultimate' spells?  Yes, i'm sure the relevance will be applied <STRONG>WHEN </STRONG>we get there, but we aren't there yet.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm in no rush to get to the high end of this game.  I'm stil enjoying the stuff/content that is in my current level.  I'm still exploring the Enchanted Lands, Zek, the Feerrot...i'm still trying to complete Nek Castle and find a way into DFC and Runnyeye.  I'm sure that there are others that feel the same.  I just find it interesting that so many people produce their posts around these few spells.  Yes, i know that these spells will render the rest obsolete when they are received...but that does us 'young uns' no good until we arrive at those points.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This post is meant as an observation and nothing more.  It seems that many of our posters are of such levels that they fail to take in that many of us up and coming Templars are not at their level yet.  This is what i've pulled from the many posts in the Templar threads.  We young healers are relevant because we will replace you when you grow old and die (retire).  Let's try to keep this in mind when discussing the situations at hand, such as Templars in need of this or that...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just because you are 50+ doesn't mean you speak for all of us.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><EM>We now return you to your regularly scheduled program</EM></DIV> <DIV><EM></EM> </DIV> <DIV><EM><U>edited because of improper sentence structure</U></EM></DIV><p>Message Edited by JubatheMighty on <span class=date_text>10-19-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:35 PM</span>

[ADW123]

<DIV>Your opinion is just as welcome as the higher level templars in the game, and everyone was there before so they can understand where you're coming from. Most people are just more concerned with leveling around your level them posting on the forums. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm sure if you have any questions or concerns the templar community would be more than willing to help you out etc.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Curaga</DIV> <DIV>52 Templar</DIV> <DIV>Unrest</DIV>

[Salastine]

Generally speaking, i think the simple answer is this:  There are MORE "active" high level Templars (or any other class for that matter) than mid- or low- level Templars.   If you examined the game population as a whole and sorted population by level, activity, and forum participation, you'd probably find it heavily weighted at the high levels. As a result, most of the posters here are high level.  I don't think anyone is trying to dis-include lower level players, it's simply the high-level point-of-view that is most commonly expressed. <DIV> </DIV>

[Whizbang]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ADW123 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Your opinion is just as welcome as the higher level templars in the game, and everyone was there before so they can understand where you're coming from. Most people are just more concerned with leveling around your level them posting on the forums. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm sure if you have any questions or concerns the templar community would be more than willing to help you out etc.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Curaga</DIV> <DIV>52 Templar</DIV> <DIV>Unrest</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>But that's just it, ADW123...i don't have any questions, and my concerns are the same as other Templars.  My point is that yes, they have been in my position before....but they aren't now.  The current list of posts are geared toward 50+ players, not us mid-level characters.  I see noone in the 50's discussing how badly us mid-level people got hit by the CU...whether it was good or bad.  It only revolves around those few T6 spells and the gear/loot/stuff available at those higher tiers.  I see little representation of the lower/mid-level players and those high level people that speak out try to speak for the rest of us when we don't have a clue what they are on about...</P> <P>Am I happy with where i stand as a Templar?  no.  Am i happy that other healers are getting their heal spells adjusted so that they too can actually be a healer?  yes.  Am i happy about other states of affairs of the Templar?  yes and no.  But that's because I know that there is still a long road ahead of me and much to learn.  I just find it interesting that those 50+ lvl players are arguing over spells that we mid-levels don't have yet, and they don't raise concerns over spells they no longer use but we, the younger characters, do.</P> <P>As i stated in my first post, this is an observation that i have when reading through all the different posts that currently reside in the Templar threads.  I would like to see low/mid-level representation when these things are discussed instead of everything revolving around 50+ people/gear/loot/spells.  Just an observation and my opinion.</P>

[Isim]

<P>those are very good points that you make, hopefully more lower level templars will post. for me it was a long time ago, and much has changed since I was your level. so I dont have any real good input for you.</P> <P>Good Luck and Safe Travels</P>

[Curati]

<P>to give you an idea of my situation and from what perspective I post from:</P> <P> </P> <P>I started Curative on November 9 and he just dinged 28 last night</P> <P>I play almost every night but i did stop leveling at 22 and leveled a guardian up to 36 then LU13 cam along and I switched back to being a healer.....so Ive gained 6 lvl since LU13 <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[SenorPhrog]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> JubatheMighty wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ADW123 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Your opinion is just as welcome as the higher level templars in the game, and everyone was there before so they can understand where you're coming from. Most people are just more concerned with leveling around your level them posting on the forums. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm sure if you have any questions or concerns the templar community would be more than willing to help you out etc.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Curaga</DIV> <DIV>52 Templar</DIV> <DIV>Unrest</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Am I happy with where i stand as a Templar?  no.  Am i happy that other healers are getting their heal spells adjusted so that they too can actually be a healer?  yes.  Am i happy about other states of affairs of the Templar?  yes and no.  But that's because I know that there is still a long road ahead of me and much to learn.  I just find it interesting that those 50+ lvl players are arguing over spells that we mid-levels don't have yet, and they don't raise concerns over spells they no longer use but we, the younger characters, do.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Everyones opinion should be welcomed here no matter what level they are how long they have been playing.   Your opinion however sounds no different than anything I've seen from of the 50+'s here (and I'm not saying its wrong or right).   So I'm just kinda of curious exaclty what you are looking for.   Either you are happy or you aren't.   </DIV>

[Terabethia]

<DIV><SPAN class=756012413-20102005><FONT face=Arial color=#00ccff>I must admit that I have to agree with Radar-X, I am not sure what you are looking for here on the forums? I am guessing simply more feedback from the lower to mid level templers, however, there is not much that the 45-50+ crowd can do to help change this. But I don't really feel that your concerns with our class as a whole would be much different, other than the specific mobs that we are killing. If our DPS, Healing Power, so on etc. is bad at level 55, it goes without saying that it is bad at 25, too. </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=756012413-20102005><FONT face=Arial color=#00ccff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=756012413-20102005><FONT face=Arial color=#00ccff>1 more thing to mention. Unfortunately, our class is basically a cut and paste class. There are a couple of new spells that we get at level 50+ that we never had, but all in all, every level, we just get an upgrade to a previous spell. That is why you will hear so often people referring to it as our Strike line, Amelioration line, so on.... They are all the same, just a slightly different name as the spell upgrades. So you should be able to read all the rants and raves and understand that while we are saying Grand Amelioration, the same probably applies to your Amelioration (level 29) and Greater Amelioration (level 43). </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=756012413-20102005><FONT face=Arial color=#00ccff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=756012413-20102005><FONT face=Arial color=#00ccff>I hope this helps to make you feel a little better :smileywink:</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#00ccff></FONT></DIV>

[Shainea]

<DIV>Level 32 Templar here.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As the previous poster stated, alot of our spells are just upgrades from previous versions. So Mark of the Pawn is upgraded by Mark of the Princes, etc. Same goes with Amelioration and Strike lines of spells.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What I would love to see is a suggestion for upgrades by level.</DIV> <DIV>So at lvl 32, if I get my hands on a rare stone to make an adept 3 - should I get the fast cast heal upgraded, the Slow cast heal upgraded or the BoV line upgraded?  Also, how about if Im the type (which I am) that will find solo content to take on while I /lfg? Would it be adviseable to upgrade a damage spell instead of a heal?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>These are the questions I have while I play my templar. Also, how do the higher level players take care of casters? At the 50+ lvl range, is it necessary to have 2 healers in a group (whatever the priest class) or do they get away with 1 healer groups like I do?  If so, do you warn the mages that its near impossible to keep them alive if the mob cant be taunted off them?  I know my warning goes like this "The groups chances of success are greatly increased if I just let you die and focus on healing the tank.  So, keep in mind Im not going to even try to dump mana into healing you if you die. It costs me 60+ mana to cast a heal, yet only 30+ mana to rez you. You have been warned"   Now granted, I dont say it alot - but when you have 4 casters a tank and a priest - it will be mentioned.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What tactics, quests, etc did the lvl 40+ Templars use to get there?  Im not looking to level at the speed of light, Im looking to get the most exp for my time invested. I havent started any of my Heritage quests yet, but Im getting there.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Suggestions for Heritage quests to complete first?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thank you,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Carpathian Aurelius</DIV> <DIV>32 Templar of Nektulos</DIV>

[Alxandra]

<P>LOL, yes i have had similar conversations regarding mages/scouts ripping.  Basically, I rather let a mage/scout die than to lose the main tank because I poured mana into someone who has poor agro management.  The only difference is that heavily fabled scouts and mages actually can take damage, and you are more likely to run into heavily fabled peeps > level 50.  </P> <P>So, I actually now dont mind healing a ripping scout or mage IF they can kill the mob fast and survive the damage.  </P> <P>As for solo healing groups, I think it reflects your skill as a healer.  Basically, it depends on what mobs you are attacking and how well the group works together whether ya can solo heal.  I frequently solo heal groups at level 60, but they tend to be guild groups.</P>

[Countzero]

<P>Shai,</P> <P> </P> <P>My 3rd attempt to respond to your post... so I'm going to use short hand here to make sure I get things in:</P> <P> </P> <P>1. Target RHs should always be your master 2 upgrade choice.</P> <P>2. Group RH</P> <P>3. Main target heals</P> <P>4.  Debuff vs. physical mitigation</P> <P> </P> <P>Heritage quests for level 30s:</P> <P>These boots were made for walking</P> <P>Return of the Light</P> <P>Hadden's Earring (Make sure you have a really good and full group going into Nek Castle)</P> <P>Missing Mask (you'll pick this up on your first trip in to kill everling...  you may  get away with a full group of 35s minimum.. but I'd definitely recommend going in with a 42 tank.</P> <P>Stilletto's Orders intercepted (MANASTONE) //  An axe from the past ( you will want to synch the 2 of these up so you only have to do Cove of decay once)  Also post revamp I would recommend hiding a couple of level 50s in there mentoring until they get into the cove.. then unmentor and form their own group.. ideally a tank, a templar and a fury.  Have one member of your group draw the initial aggro then have a level 50 tank hold the aggro down for you from a seperate group.  So long as one of your guys got off the first shot, you will get full credit.</P> <P> Foombys Stolen Goods - Easy to do with a full group.. don't let the nightblod scare ya.</P> <P> </P> <P>As for xp ... pre splitpaw I did a lot of xping in Nek... starting at 29 with a good group in their early 30s .. we worked the courtyard area for a while until we leveled up then progressed further in..   Also the Vampire chronicles are aimed at the late 20s-40 target.   Recently I've been working on leveling a Fury though and since he has been able to hit the upper tunnels he has been going in facing the heroics avaiable on the left hand side... the upper tunnels still give good xp and good loot.. and you've got the zone all to yourself and can reset the mobs at will.</P> <P> </P> <P>Hope this helps,</P> <P>Countingzero - 54 Guardian // Molleye - 54 Templar // Billwonka 23 Fury / 49 Provisioner   Mistmoore Server</P> <P> </P>

[Shainea]

<P>Counterzero -</P> <P>Thank you for the tips.  I assume RH = Reactive Heal?</P> <P>And thanks for the tip on Manastone and PGT, good idea to sync them both up for the last part.</P> <P>--Carpathian Aurelius</P> <P>32 Templar of Nektulos</P>