Back after 6 months

[KingOfF00LS]

My wife and I walked away from the game about 6 months ago due to aggravation at how the devs were doing everything possible to drain the pockets of adventurers and give all money to the tradeskillers.  Last night we decided to reinstall and reactivate to see if things had improved. Well, I hadn't gotten to even looking at the money situation when I noticed how badly my Templar has been nerfed.  My reactive is a joke compared to what it used to be....back when Clerics were actually healers.  And now I'm being told I gave up half my spell's healing power so I can mez?  Are you kidding me?  Do we not have an enchanter class anymore? I signed up to be a master holy healer, not this castrated alter boy.  After spending years as a high end raider in EQ1, then onto EQ2, I will never understand SOE's burning desire to fix things that aren't broken and make the useful into the useless. <div></div>

[Blast2hell]

<DIV>what level are ya?  which reactive are you using?</DIV>

[Kendricke]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> KingOfF00LS wrote:<BR>My wife and I walked away from the game about 6 months ago due to aggravation at how the devs were doing everything possible to drain the pockets of adventurers and give all money to the tradeskillers.  Last night we decided to reinstall and reactivate to see if things had improved.<BR><BR>Well, I hadn't gotten to even looking at the money situation when I noticed how badly my Templar has been nerfed.  My reactive is a joke compared to what it used to be....back when Clerics were actually healers.  And now I'm being told I gave up half my spell's healing power so I can mez?  Are you kidding me?  Do we not have an enchanter class anymore?<BR><BR>I signed up to be a master holy healer, not this castrated alter boy.  After spending years as a high end raider in EQ1, then onto EQ2, I will never understand SOE's burning desire to fix things that aren't broken and make the useful into the useless.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>First off, you didn't lose "half your healing power" so you can mez.  Secondly, all health in the game was lowered across the board (meaning less healing required to begin with).  Thirdly, the con system in general has been completely revamped (typically meaning more difficulty in general). All priests were altered.  All classes in the game were altered. </P> <P>After 6 months of not playing at all, I'd hope that you'd be able to give the system a truly open minded go with more than a few hours of play.  However, it's entirely up to you to determine how you're going to assess your own personal situation.  If you feel the game is not as "fun" as a Templar, then perhaps try a new class. </P> <P> </P>

[SenorPhrog]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> KingOfF00LS wrote:<BR>My wife and I walked away from the game about 6 months ago due to aggravation at how the devs were doing everything possible to drain the pockets of adventurers and give all money to the tradeskillers.  Last night we decided to reinstall and reactivate to see if things had improved.<BR><BR>Well, I hadn't gotten to even looking at the money situation when I noticed how badly my Templar has been nerfed.  My reactive is a joke compared to what it used to be....back when Clerics were actually healers.  And now I'm being told I gave up half my spell's healing power so I can mez?  Are you kidding me?  Do we not have an enchanter class anymore?<BR><BR>I signed up to be a master holy healer, not this castrated alter boy.  After spending years as a high end raider in EQ1, then onto EQ2, I will never understand SOE's burning desire to fix things that aren't broken and make the useful into the useless.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>There is no "master healer" because this isn't EQ1.   Thank you for sharing your "high end raiding" experience but you are far from alone in that.   As was stated above you didn't "give up" half your spells.  In fact I can only think of maybe one spell that went away entirely.  If you bothered to look around at the other forums this change was across the board affecting a lot of classes and all healers.   The content was not challenging enough and the Developers decided to make a change.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>How exactly can you come back after SIX whole months and after a SINGLE day dictate how the game is?   This game has changed entirely in six months.  Give it a chance.</DIV>

[Kiara-]

<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff>Oh... And just to add.  SoE didn't fix something that wasn't broken.  It was broken.  Things were not going the way they were meant to be.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff>Guardians were NOT meant to be the uber tanks.  All fighters were meant to be able to tank well.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff>Templars were NOT meant to be the uber healers.  All healers were meant to be able to heal well.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff>So, your statements, while enlightening and certainly delightful, are false.  They are your opinion, which you are entitled to.  But your facts are wrong.</FONT></DIV>

[Caethre]

<DIV>OOC.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>To the Original Poster - </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you have been gone a while, don't worry overly much about the above posts; play a bit more, and try things out, and come to your own conclusions. If you want the views of other Templars, do a lot more reading around here, and try to filter past just those few how have postcounts measured in the thousands, and count the numbers of unique posters saying what and where - people who like me are playing Templar day in and day out both before and after the changes.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Many of us here are not happy (and its the same in game too). And that includes some very experienced and skilled players.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We wish to keep reminding SoE of the fact, in the (admittedly unlikely) chance that they might do something to help us.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Felishanna</DIV><p>Message Edited by Caethre on <span class=date_text>10-18-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:35 PM</span>

[Caethre]

OOC.<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kiara wrote:<BR> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff>Guardians were NOT meant to be the uber tanks.  All fighters were meant to be able to tank well.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff>Templars were NOT meant to be the uber healers.  All healers were meant to be able to heal well.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff>So, your statements, while enlightening and certainly delightful, are false.  They are your opinion, which you are entitled to.  But your facts are wrong.</FONT></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Your comments, Kiara, whilst they are unnecessarily patronising to the OP, are themselves false, not his.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For the first  ten months of the game, Templars were <EM>clearly</EM> the best healers, and Guardians were <EM>clearly</EM> the best tanks. This is not even a matter of debate on these or any other boards.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Good intentions pave the road to hell, do they not? As I said on another thread, "intentions" (if even true) mean nothing, only reality. And now after almost a year of investment, moving the goalposts of said reality is causing a lot of upset. That is the fact of the matter, as you can see all over these boards. Where we appear to disagree, however, is that I believe, that such upset is entirely justified.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Felishanna</DIV><p>Message Edited by Caethre on <span class=date_text>10-18-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:43 PM</span>

[KingOfF00LS]

Heh, I was messaged with the names of two people who would probably respond to me and was told to pay no attention as they are the "damage control team".  I'll let the reader try to figure out what the names were <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[KingOfF00LS]

Kiara, rest assured that your post was as well received and valued as all manners of condescension are. I do know what clerics are meant for.  They're healers, not mezzers, healers.  The class most definitely was not broken before.  If anything, the only things healingwise that needed done were to produce an amount of healer aggro on reactives, lower the druid HoT aggro, and make Shaman wards take mitigation into effect. But instead SOE chose to throw the baby out with the bath water, and for some inexplicable reason there is always a small core of cheerleaders to eagerly defend any bad decision in life. <div></div>

[KingOfF00LS]

<span><blockquote><hr>Caethre wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div>  <div>If you have been gone a while, don't worry overly much about the above posts; play a bit more, and try things out, and come to your own conclusions. If you want the views of other Templars, do a lot more reading around here, and try to filter past just those few how have postcounts measured in the thousands, and count the numbers of unique posters saying what and where - people who like me are playing Templar day in and day out both before and after the changes.</div> <div> </div> <div>Many of us here are not happy (and its the same in game too). And that includes some very experienced and skilled players.</div> <div> </div> <div>We wish to keep reminding SoE of the fact, in the (admittedly unlikely) chance that they might do something to help us.</div> <hr></blockquote> Thanks for the sensible words.  To be honest we haven't decided yet what we are going to do.  I'm not going to walk away at this exact day, but whether I will continue after this month is still up in the air. I was trying to find a better Cleric/Templar message board than this one so I can read what others have to say, look at spell info, etc.  Do you know of any good Cleric/Templar boards I could check out? Thanks.</span><div></div>

[SenorPhrog]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> KingOfF00LS wrote:<BR>Heh, I was messaged with the names of two people who would probably respond to me and was told to pay no attention as they are the "damage control team".  I'll let the reader try to figure out what the names were <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR><BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Oh I'm sure you were.  I'm very sure the Leader of the Doomsayers made sure of that.   If you read enough of their posts I'm sure you'll come to the conclusion as they have "OMG TEMPLARS ARE SCREWED!!111!1!!!!"</P> <P>Play the game for more than a single day.  </P>

[SenorPhrog]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Caethre wrote:<BR> OOC.<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kiara wrote:<BR> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff>Guardians were NOT meant to be the uber tanks.  All fighters were meant to be able to tank well.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff>Templars were NOT meant to be the uber healers.  All healers were meant to be able to heal well.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff>So, your statements, while enlightening and certainly delightful, are false.  They are your opinion, which you are entitled to.  But your facts are wrong.</FONT></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Your comments, Kiara, whilst they are unnecessarily patronising to the OP, are themselves false, not his.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For the first  ten months of the game, Templars were <EM>clearly</EM> the best healers, and Guardians were <EM>clearly</EM> the best tanks. This is not even a matter of debate on these or any other boards.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Good intentions pave the road to hell, do they not? As I said on another thread, "intentions" (if even true) mean nothing, only reality. And now after almost a year of investment, moving the goalposts of said reality is causing a lot of upset. That is the fact of the matter, as you can see all over these boards. Where we appear to disagree, however, is that I believe, that such upset is entirely justified.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Felishanna</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Caethre on <SPAN class=date_text>10-18-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>12:43 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Your comments while denoting their usual sarcasm were just as necessary I'm sure.  The classes did not fit the original vision of the developers (you know the people that make the game not just play it).  There was never an intention to have a "best" anything and I wish to crap that had gotten it right originally just to spare everyone the whining about it.</P> <P>They are not going to go back and undo LU# 13 despite the small margin of the playerbase that actually bothers to post how unhappy they are that they actually have to work playing their class now.   As for intentions I think they mean everything if they are going to be stuck to so I have to disagree with you there. </P> <P>Its really simple to see the classes that had it so unbelievably easy before LU#13.   Just look for the areas of the forums with the most complaints.</P>

[Kendricke]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Caethre wrote:<BR> <DIV>Good intentions pave the road to hell, do they not? As I said on another thread, "intentions" (if even true) mean nothing, only reality. </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>In a virtual reality, the intentions of the creators of said reality meant everything.  <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Besides, our loss is the gain of the thousands of healers who previously did not play as Templars under the system wherein you described Templars as "<EM>clearly</EM> the best healers"...or did we forget about those players who signed up under the announced premise that all priests would be roughly equal in the ability to keep a group standing, only to find that Templars were the only real priests?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yes, we have to share the playground now.  We have to stop monopolizing the kickball.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Gcha]

<P>**PLEASE NO PERSONAL ATTACKS**</FONT></P><p>Message Edited by Raijinn Thunderguard on <span class=date_text>10-18-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:20 AM</span>

[Kayle]

<P>**PLEASE NO PERSONAL ATTACKS**</FONT></P><p>Message Edited by Raijinn Thunderguard on <span class=date_text>10-18-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:21 AM</span>

[Kayle]

<P>**IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS, LETS TALK IN PM**</P><p>Message Edited by Raijinn Thunderguard on <span class=date_text>10-18-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:53 AM</span>

[Kayle]

<P>Caethre, someone is reporting things alright.  Only it's the ones who don't wish to hear about class concerns that are doing it.  The only mistake was, they reported a non-personal post attacking no one this time and got caught.</P> <P>I am waiting to see what this new moderator is going to do with the bogus complaints being sent him for sure.</P>

[Raijinn]

<P>Fact is that there are some mud slinging going on here and trying to get a moderator involved is simply not acceptable. I've looked over the posts and removed the ones that I felt were not in the best interest of the other person(s) that the post was directed to. </P> <P>I appreciate everyones concerns regarding the situations at hand and do encourage you to report posts that you feel are questionable.</P>

[KingOfF00LS]

Let me get this straight.....certain people are allowed to be snooty and condescending as long as they are defending SOE, but if someone talks about *THEIR OWN CHARACTER* then their post gets deleted. Wow.  This is beyond pathetic. <div></div>

[Raijinn]

<DIV><SPAN style="COLOR: #cc33cc">KingOfF00LS</SPAN>,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That's not the case at all, your free to discuss anything you like but you must play by the rules. Keep it clean and no personal attacks.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks!</DIV>

[Gcha]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Raijinn Thunderguard wrote:<BR> <P>Fact is that there are some mud slinging going on here and trying to get a moderator involved is simply not acceptable. I've looked over the posts and removed the ones that I felt were not in the best interest of the other person(s) that the post was directed to. </P> <P>I appreciate everyones concerns regarding the situations at hand and do encourage you to report posts that you feel are questionable.</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>How about you try to at least create the appearance of even-handedness and not make it appear that some people have "protected status".  There wasn't any personal attack.  It was fair comment.  If we are going to have perpetual Candides jumping on anyone who posts a complaint or criticism around here, reasonable editorial comment is perfectly appropriate.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And =) .. why don't you help promote an atmosphere here where people who want to voice criticism can feel free to do so without immediately being jumped on by the usual suspects.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Gchang on <span class=date_text>10-18-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:08 PM</span>

[Kendricke]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Blast2hell wrote:<BR> <DIV>what level are ya?  which reactive are you using?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>According to a post he made on March 3rd, he was a level 31 Templar at that time (his wife was a level 31 Ranger).  He ceased posting on March 31st (presumably when he cancelled his account the first time). </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>According to a post he made on November 25th of last year, he at least has an Inquisitor named SunDog on the Blackburrow server, that is currently level 38.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Chances are that his Templar is utilizing Supplicant's Prayer.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Kendricke]

<P>**PLEASE REFRAIN FROM PERSONAL ATTACKS AND FLAMES**</P><p>Message Edited by Raijinn Thunderguard on <span class=date_text>10-18-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:38 PM</span>

[Wildi]

<P>**PLEASE POST CONSTRUCTIVELY**</P><p>Message Edited by Raijinn Thunderguard on <span class=date_text>10-18-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:39 PM</span>

[Gcha]

<P>**PLEASE REFRAIN FROM PERSONAL ATTACKS AND FLAMES**</P><p>Message Edited by Raijinn Thunderguard on <span class=date_text>10-18-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:38 PM</span>

[Crolack]

<P>I was also gone for more than 6 months. After I sat through about half an hour of spells being added to the bar and race/class selection (Green + thingys). I decided the best thing for me to do was re-learn the game. I was a 28 Inquisitor.</P> <P>I'm going Brigand this time around.</P> <P> </P>

[Kiara-]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Caethre wrote:<BR> OOC.<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kiara wrote:<BR> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff>Guardians were NOT meant to be the uber tanks.  All fighters were meant to be able to tank well.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff>Templars were NOT meant to be the uber healers.  All healers were meant to be able to heal well.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff>So, your statements, while enlightening and certainly delightful, are false.  They are your opinion, which you are entitled to.  But your facts are wrong.</FONT></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Your comments, Kiara, whilst they are unnecessarily patronising to the OP, are themselves false, not his.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For the first  ten months of the game, Templars were <EM>clearly</EM> the best healers, and Guardians were <EM>clearly</EM> the best tanks. This is not even a matter of debate on these or any other boards.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Good intentions pave the road to hell, do they not? As I said on another thread, "intentions" (if even true) mean nothing, only reality. And now after almost a year of investment, moving the goalposts of said reality is causing a lot of upset. That is the fact of the matter, as you can see all over these boards. Where we appear to disagree, however, is that I believe, that such upset is entirely justified.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Felishanna</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Caethre on <SPAN class=date_text>10-18-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>12:43 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc99ff>Actually if you read what I wrote, you'd realize that what i said was they were not MEANT to be these things.  Just because they were doesn't mean they were supposed to be.  So get off it.<BR></FONT>