Defenders of the Templars shout out! [Archive]

Curati

10-13-2005, 11:18 AM

<P>I put my 36 guardian on hold after LU13 his fighting style just isnt what I was used to after the update he felt like I was playing someone elses character he felt like he was a hacked account...just not the same anymore.</P> <P>Before I made William however, I created Curative at launch. Curative is a Remake of my character in EQ1 who is designed from the ground up for raw healage thus the Name Curative Bydesign. I leveled him to 22 before i started the fighter to try another class. Case in point, I dont mind if I cant take on powerful mobs by myself Im content with soloing weak yard trash while waitng for a group wich is never more than a few minutes once I announce that I am looking. I heal just as well after the update if not better then before because the changes cause me to think on my feet. One of the reason I started the figher was bordom. Press reactive once press reactive twice...watch some tv...press reactive....I would fall asleep healing!</P> <P>now I must calculate each heal I have a certain amount of agro control, I have to really be fast on target swtiching and yes I end up having more folks die in my group then before...thus the challenge..the challenge of not letting that happen...I used to not worry about people dieing in a group no i have to stay on my toes!</P> <P> </P> <P>TEMPLARS ROCK</P>

Sural_Argonus

10-13-2005, 04:30 PM

<DIV>Orignanally after LU13...I was going to retire my Templar....But a guild member needed a healer...so I loaded my Templar...Found that overall, my Templar is more efficient...I rarely used my Templar solo. I had designed him to be a group healer...not a solo combattant. So my combat spells are suffering. Doesn't matter to me. My direct heals and reactive heals are all I need in a group, and of course the debuffs. The role I accepted for my Templar was always one of Primary Healer. So the changes ended up not affecting me as much. Yes, the heals are a little lower...but that's of little consequence when I still keep the group alive in all but the worst add situations. (say helping somone kill Dancoed of the Pine, and we manange to get too close to that other triple up Gnoll with 2 lackies wandering around..Darkpaw Ravager?)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Overall the changes have been good to most of my selections for characters. I will admit that I am not excited about ALL the changes....but I have to say this rebalance didn't kill the game for me, like SWG's rebalance did. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

Caethre

10-13-2005, 04:43 PM

<P>Message Edited by Raijinn Thunderguard on <SPAN class=date_text>10-13-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:17 AM</SPAN> <P><SPAN class=time_text>=============================</SPAN> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>Whilst I can understand with the later posts, where another poster launched attacks on me and it continued from there, I'm not sure why the you edited *this* post, as made no reference to anyone earlier in the thread, rather, it gave my feelings on our class and on the types of arguments I've seen presented on these boards in general.</SPAN> <P><SPAN class=time_text>But I will bow to your authority and present in another (shorter) way, talking *only* about the class.</SPAN> <P><SPAN class=time_text>=============================</SPAN> <P><SPAN class=time_text>What makes someone a "Defender" of our class?</SPAN> <P><SPAN class=time_text>I believe, someone who looks at the very reasons most of us chose the class we did, and at what many of us enjoy and find fun, and sees the unhappiness in many of those faces, and sees people walking out that door and others thinking of doing so, and says "enough please, SoE, look at this, put it right, we want our class fun back".</SPAN> <P><SPAN class=time_text>I'm sorry I cannot say "Templar's rock" right now, as I feel we do not. We are not unplayable, far from it, but the reason many of us chose this class, the reasons many of us had fun and loved this class, have been hurt by LU13.</SPAN> <P><SPAN class=time_text>But I certainly view myself as a "defender" of the Templar class. That does not mean I will stick my head in the sand and pretend everything is fine, when very clearly it is not.</SPAN> <P><SPAN class=time_text>Felishanna.<BR></SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by Caethre on <SPAN class=date_text>10-13-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>06:55 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Caethre on <span class=date_text>10-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:18 PM</span>

SenorPhrog

10-13-2005, 05:07 PM

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Caethre wrote:<BR> <P>**REMOVED**</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>First of all thank you again for another wonderfuly constructive thread.</P> <P>Is there such a big deal someone that is happy with the Templars actually has a thread saying that? </P> <P>You know what I think you may be right. We should have a "Hate the Templars" thread where everyone can sit down and complain about spells being broken, raid mobs that practically fell over when attacked not being killable, and that Templar actually requires work now.</P> <P>Actually now that I think about it there are already 5 or 6 on the front page of these forums so for the sake of efficency how about we just post to one of those instead?</P> <P>My Templar is more than playable and I enjoy it every night. Am I saying they are perfect? Nope. Is it more difficult? Yes. I will continue to refute broad unsupported statements (like we aren't "the best healer" or "We solo 50 times slower") and do so with pleasure.</P> <P>Templars still rule in my opinion.</P> <P>Message Edited by Radar-X on <SPAN class=date_text>10-13-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>09:08 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Raijinn Thunderguard on <span class=date_text>10-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:02 PM</span>

scooc

10-13-2005, 05:23 PM

<P>Templars still rule the healing world !</P> <P> </P> <P>Ceeara</P> <P>53 Battle cleric </P> <P>Oggok</P>

Caethre

10-13-2005, 05:34 PM

<P>**PLEASE NO PERSONAL ATTACKS**</FONT></P><p>Message Edited by Raijinn Thunderguard on <span class=date_text>10-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:18 AM</span>

SenorPhrog

10-13-2005, 06:26 PM

<P>**PLEASE NO PERSONAL ATTACKS**</FONT></P><p>Message Edited by Raijinn Thunderguard on <span class=date_text>10-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:18 AM</span>

Quijonsith

10-13-2005, 06:29 PM

I love my templar, more so now that there is challenge, but I do not like soloing. We did in fact receive a DPS increase, but you have to make sure your intellegence is high enough. I always kept my intellegence up before hand. Now I have 4 or 5 pieces of equipment I change out based on having higher INT when soloing vs. having higher WIS (for more power) in groups incase i need that one last heal and my emergency heals are used up. You want more DPS get that INT up. Now that I've gotten used to my new spells I find templar to be more fun. I like the challenge that was utterly not there before. Also, being known as a good healer has [more] meaning now. I do wish we had a slight bit more utility, but as I read in another thread what we lack in general utility we make up for in healing utility with nice lil spells filling in the pot heals here and there. And hey, there's always Odessey (forget how to spell it) and I've found soothe to be great for those named that just happen to be able to see invisibility. <div></div>

Caethre

10-13-2005, 06:37 PM

OOC.<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Radar-X wrote:<BR><BR> <P>Tossing insults even in the guise of a broad statement is not constructive and if you really believe that I'm very sorry. </P> <P>I also apologize if I expect a little more than the childish rhetoric we get over in NGD from people unhappy with something but I guess my standards are getting too high.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Your posts are filled with implied personal attacks and insults. I mean, even in the quote above, you call me childish, because I disagree with you. I am not the one being uncivil here, sir, you are. Everyone else can read the posts.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

SenorPhrog

10-13-2005, 06:52 PM

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Caethre wrote:<BR>OOC.<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Radar-X wrote:<BR><BR> <P>Tossing insults even in the guise of a broad statement is not constructive and if you really believe that I'm very sorry. </P> <P>I also apologize if I expect a little more than the childish rhetoric we get over in NGD from people unhappy with something but I guess my standards are getting too high.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Your posts are filled with implied personal attacks and insults. I mean, even in the quote above, you call me childish, because I disagree with you. I am not the one being uncivil here, sir, you are. Everyone else can read the posts.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>We could go back and forth all day long doing this if you'd like but its really not doing anything but annoying the other posters. What are we looking to accomplish? To prove I make as many insults as you do? I encourage everyone to read the posts especially the "post a lot to bully people" part which looks to me like an open provocation but maybe I read it wrong.</P> <P>If I were really uncivil and "flood the boards" with 6800 posts do you really think I'd still be here and not banned? If you really want to bicker with me please take it to PM's and stop sullying the little bit of positivity we see around here.</P>

Curati

10-13-2005, 07:27 PM

<P>well Felishanna and Radar you guys managed to degrade a really good templar discusion down to a bickering fest. thanks.</P> <P> </P> <P>back on track here:</P> <P>I feel good about my templar. he heals good... I play my templar like I am that character roaming throughout norrath. Curative is a crazy erudite priest that sometimes drinks a bit to much some nights but when it comes down to business he gives it his all and doesnt complain...he just enjoys himself and anjoys helping others stay alive.</P> <P>is there room for improvment in his class...yes...but other classes need help more then curative that is for sure. Really the only thing I wish they would allow is unlinking all of our heal spells. I would like to be able to press a button and give a small bump heal on a mag then the next button press drop a larg heal on the tank without having to wait 5 seconds to cast. Maybe they could impliment or change the way concentration works. take the buffs off of concentration and link it to spell casting. the faster you spam your abilities the more concentration it take...fill the bar and you have to wait for it to subside...kinda like an endurance meter. blah what do i know...im just a drunken healer</P>

Raijinn

10-13-2005, 09:19 PM

<DIV>Folks,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Feel free to be vocal and talk about things that your seeing, just don't let it degrade into a flame war. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks!</DIV>

Wildi

10-13-2005, 11:04 PM

<DIV>Faarwolf get canned?</DIV>

Sural_Argonus

10-13-2005, 11:17 PM

<DIV>No...She moved to something else. There's a post about it somewhere.</DIV>

Supernova17

10-14-2005, 01:08 AM

Welcome to Everquest 2, a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE game. I love my Templar becuase he is among the best at healing a group. Templars are primary healers, we are designed to keep groups alive and we do it quite well. This is what we all signed up for when we became Templars. We wanted to be among the best healers, nothing more. <div></div>

Blast2hell

10-14-2005, 01:29 AM

<P>I like Love my templar because I think that when a group invites me, there getting the best healer possible. I feel like i have the tools to keep my group alive even when things get a bit out of whack. Yet, i realize my ability to heal a group is limited by how well the people I group wtih play, but my guildmates are all top notch players, hence night after night I get to enjoy the game and see the content. In raid settings I take pride in seeing the massive healing power me and my templar counterparts pump out, even with the ridiculous stacking rules that raids currently suffer.</P> <P>Thankyou SOE for bringing skill back into the game. That said, there are still valid concerns and issues brought up in this templar forum, and hopefully they don't go unheard. I won't derail this thread by commenting on things I"m hoping get looked into. But I will defend templars as being the best healer in game hands down.</P>

Whizbang

10-14-2005, 02:20 AM

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Quijonsith wrote:<BR> I love my templar, more so now that there is challenge, but I do not like soloing. <STRONG>We did in fact receive a DPS increase, but you have to make sure your intellegence is high enough.</STRONG> I always kept my intellegence up before hand. Now I have 4 or 5 pieces of equipment I change out based on having higher INT when soloing vs. having higher WIS (for more power) in groups incase i need that one last heal and my emergency heals are used up. You want more DPS get that INT up. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I was refering to melee DPS, not spell DPS, Quijonsith. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I use my dmg spells often, but i prefer to save my power for healing/util spells when i solo and allow my trusty bludgeon-stick to do my dirty work. My INT is avg, about 70 or so, but my STR is about 96 because i am hoping that i receive a boost to my melee DPS.</P> <P>I know that we all have different ways of playing our Templars, and I myself like to mix things up and really push the boundries of what i can/cannot do, but having low melee DPS limits me in some ways while i am soloing. I don't want to waste the majority of my power on dmg spells when i could be using it for debuffs/utils/heals while whacking the hell out of some bugger's shin. I'm not asking for this outrageous boost to our melee DPS, but i would like to see us receive some sort of benefit for having high STR other than being able to carry loads of copper. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> My Templar has high WIS, STR, and STA because i want him to be a walking brick of healing that can bruise some shins (i'm a gnome, what can i say<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />) I know that if i wanted to do more dmg, i should have chosen a different class. This isn't my problem. My problem is that i'm not seeing much change in my melee dmg for having an above avg STR number. Maybe that's just my viewpoint though.</P> <P>Either way, I love my Templar, and won't be getting rid of him any time soon, but I will have to stop and rethink his stats because it currently seems that my investment in STR wasn't as good an idea as i thought.</P> <P><BR></P>

Quijonsith

10-14-2005, 10:07 AM

<div></div><div></div><div></div>I can say that I have noticed a small melee dps increase in my templar, but it is very small. I definitely don't count on it, never have. Our damage spells hardly cost any power at all now and the higher your INT is the more mana efficient those spells are. I only concern myself with my damage when I solo, however, because in groups my job is healing and I let everyone else do the damage. Soloing for healers across the board is more mana efficient bye nuking more and healing less. Grouping, I don't really care what my damage is because I only throw out damage a little bit here and there once my debuffs, debuff like heals, and reactives are going and I find a chance to get in a shot or two. I might drop down my DoT or AoE, but I tend to focus on healing. At level 51 my STR is around 130. My INT is 101 when I group and 155 when I solo. WIS 250+ when group, between 205 and 220 when solo (i forget exactly what mine is). STA 101. Only stat I don't care about is AGI, for obvious reasons. It's 39. I used to keep that up too until they finally fixed avoidance when wearing plate (a good move IMO). I have adept 3 Praetorate, which does +65 STR and WIS. <div></div><p>Message Edited by Quijonsith on <span class=date_text>10-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:12 PM</span>

Timaarit

10-14-2005, 11:30 AM

<P>**REMOVED FLAME BAIT**</P><p>Message Edited by Raijinn Thunderguard on <span class=date_text>10-14-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:49 PM</span>

Supernova17

10-14-2005, 11:49 AM

<SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Timaarit wrote: <SPAN> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Since you love to bring this up constantly, lets take mages to equation. Their role is paper covered dps right? Then why does this paper covered dps take lees damage in direct melee than my plate covered healer when fighting equal solo mob? People claim that my templar is slow soloer because mages die fast in close combat so they need to kill fast. That is totally untrue. The only reason my templar doesn't die faster is the heals I have, not the fact that mage has worse armor. When I fight one mob, a warlock kills 5. I also take 5x the damage this warlock takes and need 5x more power to kill one than the warlock needs to kill 5.<BR><BR>So since you like that mantra of yours, tell me why doesn't it cover other classes? Why do you think it is only valid with templars?<BR></SPAN> <P>Message Edited by Timaarit on <SPAN class=date_text>10-14-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:32 AM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>#1 No discussions here, I just want to know how many good Templars we have here.<BR>#2 You missed my sig. I am not speaking uninformed, I play a Templar and a Warlock.<BR><BR>That being said, wearing very light armor my Warlock has twice the avoidance than my Templar who is bogged down in plate. He gets hit less for the most part, but when he does, he gets hit about 3 times as hard as my Templar would. One too many hits or slip ups, DEAD MAGE! Templar with a half dozen hits and a few slip ups = minimal damage and then heal. <BR><BR>Templars rock, and this is a thread for us to let you heathen noobs know it.**REMOVED FLAME BAIT**</SPAN> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Raijinn Thunderguard on <span class=date_text>10-14-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:59 AM</span>

Timaarit

10-14-2005, 12:33 PM

<P>**REMOVED FLAME BAIT**</FONT></P><p>Message Edited by Raijinn Thunderguard on <span class=date_text>10-14-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:47 PM</span>

Sural_Argonus

10-14-2005, 04:12 PM

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Timaarit wrote:<BR> Sorry, I didn't know this was for fanbois only.<BR><BR>Add: But I do now understand why you think how you think. You have your warlock to solo and group with and templar to group with also. So you don't need to solo with your templar when you dont feel like it. Which makes you exactly the wrong person to evaluate the status of the templar in whole.<BR> <P>Message Edited by Timaarit on <SPAN class=date_text>10-14-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:35 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Not really. Templar's are really more geared towards grouping......as with all healers.</P> <P>It's comments like this that will tick off the mod, and get the thread locked. Thanks for that. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR></P>

Timaarit

10-14-2005, 04:40 PM

<span><blockquote><hr>Arg0nus wrote: <p>Not really. Templar's are really more geared towards grouping......as with all healers.</p> <p>It's comments like this that will tick off the mod, and get the thread locked. Thanks for that. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p> <div></div><hr></blockquote>You're welcome. But since when classes have been stated to be differently geared towards grouping and soloing? If this is a massive multiplayer game where you are supposed to group only, why is there solo content? And since there is solo content, why should some classes be better at soloing or grouping by default? If people are supposed to group, everyone should be bad at soloing to encourage it. But some classes that are great in groups, are even better at soloing while others are really slow. No, your argument is not valid since this is about _soloing_, by default, all classes should have equal soloing capability. After all, it should not matter to anyone since it is soloing. In groups classes should be equally balanced so that all classes have their uses. You see a fix here would be gear templars more towards soloing. There are ways to do this without changing their role in groups. </span><div></div>

Sural_Argonus

10-14-2005, 04:42 PM

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>Timaarit wrote:<BR><SPAN></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>But since when classes have been stated to be differently geared towards grouping and soloing? If this is a massive multiplayer game where you are supposed to group only, why is there solo content? And since there is solo content, why should some classes be better at soloing or grouping by default? If people are supposed to group, everyone should be bad at soloing to encourage it. But some classes that are great in groups, are even better at soloing while others are really slow. No, your argument is not valid since this is about _soloing_, by default, all classes should have equal soloing capability. After all, it should not matter to anyone since it is soloing. In groups classes should be equally balanced so that all classes have their uses.<BR><BR>You see a fix here would be gear templars more towards soloing. There are ways to do this without changing their role in groups.<BR></P></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>The point is that it's easier to group with a Templar, as with other healers, then to solo...because we are healers primarilly. Our skills really are designed for group play.<BR>

Timaarit

10-14-2005, 04:50 PM

<span><blockquote><hr>Arg0nus wrote: The point is that it's easier to group with a Templar, as with other healers, then to solo...because we are healers primarilly. Our skills really are designed for group play. <div></div><hr></blockquote>Well then our skills need to be redesigned to improve soloing also. That is what this is all about. Why shoudn't all classes have skills that are as useful in both grouping and soloing?</span><div></div>

SenorPhrog

10-14-2005, 05:44 PM

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Timaarit wrote:<BR> Sorry, I didn't know this was for fanbois only.<BR><BR>Add: But I do now understand why you think how you think. You have your warlock to solo and group with and templar to group with also. So you don't need to solo with your templar when you dont feel like it. Which makes you exactly the wrong person to evaluate the status of the templar in whole.<BR> <P>Message Edited by Timaarit on <SPAN class=date_text>10-14-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:35 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Did you even read the first page of this thread or just start typing immediately?</P> <P>There are enough threads to complain about Templars on. How about letting people have one to be positive on.</P> <P> </P> <P>For example, I'm really pleased with the single target heal we have now. Thats positive.</P>

Marcus

10-14-2005, 06:07 PM

<P>Hmm, when there were several threads going on about what was wrong with Templars, Kendricke and Radar posted repeatedly in them that there was nothing wrong with Templars, and were offended when told to back off the threads. I thought every member of the templar community was supposed to have a chance to express their opinion here. Kendricke made a big point of that. But now shouting down and trying to exclude those who don't agree that Templars rock is alright? Things have changed, I guess.</P> <P>As to the subject of the thread, I have to give a lukewarm shrug. I don't think Templars particularly rock. Then again, I know there are worse classes out there. In fact, some of my friends are playing them. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

Timaarit

10-15-2005, 12:30 AM

<SPAN> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Radar-X wrote:<BR> <P><BR>Did you even read the first page of this thread or just start typing immediately?</P> <P>There are enough threads to complain about Templars on. How about letting people have one to be positive on.</P> <P> </P> <P>For example, I'm really pleased with the single target heal we have now. Thats positive.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Well, I am a true defender of templars, I am not satisfied with the changes and I want templars to be fixed. <BR><BR>And yes, I am satisfied with the heals I have to offer to a group, but I am not satisfied about the position my templar has in the overall picture of the game. </P> <P>**REMOVED OFF TOPIC**</SPAN></P> <p>Message Edited by Raijinn Thunderguard on <span class=date_text>10-14-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:47 PM</span>

Supernova17

10-15-2005, 12:54 AM

<span><blockquote><hr>Radar-X wrote: <p>There are enough threads to complain about Templars on. How about letting people have one to be positive on.</p> <p> </p><hr></blockquote>Thank you. Everyone gets angry at positive comments in complain posts, so why can't we have a SINGLE positive thead with positive comments to battle with the dozen other complain threads. Templars are powerful healers still, as they were meant to be. </span><div></div>

Kendricke

10-15-2005, 02:49 AM

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MarcusHT wrote:<BR> <P>Hmm, when there were several threads going on about what was wrong with Templars, Kendricke and Radar posted repeatedly in them that there was nothing wrong with Templars, and were offended when told to back off the threads. I thought every member of the templar community was supposed to have a chance to express their opinion here. Kendricke made a big point of that. But now shouting down and trying to exclude those who don't agree that Templars rock is alright? Things have changed, I guess.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>There's a difference between offering constructive dissent, and intentionally attempting to lock a thread through personal attacks and name calling. I can appreciate that the difference may not seem to be much, but it's there.</P> <P>Personally, I've avoided posting here to this point but I think it goes without saying that I'm certainly not of the mindset that Templars are somehow a "broken" class. Certainly I'm not opposed to more options for soloing, more spells, more power, or more skills...but I'm not unhappy overall with the class as it stands right now. Some who were used to playing as a Templar for so many levels are suddenly finding themselves interested in other classes. I think that's to be expected seeing how the changes to the game have removed the concept of a single overwhelming powerhouse class within each Archetype. Frankly, it's overdue in my opinion.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <p>Message Edited by Kendricke on <span class=date_text>10-14-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:53 PM</span>

Tarn

10-15-2005, 02:54 AM

<DIV>The Templar class is not perfect :smileysurprised:.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But I REALLY enjoy playing a Templar anyways! I'm not too bothered by the slow soloing combat, and I thrive in the group evironment. To me, that all adds up to an enjoyable game play, with room for improvement:smileywink:.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Tarneq Spirit-Reaper</DIV> <DIV>53 Templar</DIV> <DIV>Guk</DIV>

Marcus

10-15-2005, 04:03 AM

<P>Kendricke,</P> <P>I am not disagreeing with your thoughts regarding Templars or the balancing of powers between classes. My concern is with those who ARE unhappy with the changes being shouted down. The insults have certainly not been confined to only one side of the issue. Understand that is not an accusation, but if you look around (or just page up a bit) you'll see what I'm talking about.</P> <P>I do understand the difference between insults and constructive criticism, but I would not want to be the one to judge which category each persons posts fall under. And I think efforts to exclude some people from this thread just because they do not share the opinion of the original poster are as unfair as the efforts to exclude you from the threads several weeks ago. I think every Templar deserves their say. That is the point of this forum.</P>

Quijonsith

10-15-2005, 02:57 PM

Getting back to the discussion about Templars and away from the "what's right to post, what's wrong to post, off topic stuff" I will admit this. Like I said above, I have different gear I switch out for higher DPS. Having said that, soloing does indeed frustrate me to no end. I don't solo on my Templar any more. I have a 37 monk for when I want to solo. I fully understand the reasoning for soloing to take as long as it does with any healer and I agree with that reasoning, but that doesn't change the fact that the amount of time it takes us to solo is excessively long. On the flipside, Templars are awesome in groups and I love that. If I were really overly worried about soloing on my Templar I'd stock up on mage gear for more INT so that my DPS was decent enough to solo bearably. Yes, we can wear heavy armor, but that doesn't mean we have to. I know an inquisitor that wears light armor in T5 because the rares are cheaper and come with more WIS in alot of case. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but please don't bash each other and call people out. Commentary, positive and negative alike, can be constructive without causing issues between people and raising anger. I would also like to give praise to the OP for attempting to make a positive thread amidst all the near overwhelming negativity. It saddens me to see it almost get hijacked into the realm of "W.T.F. are you talking about, we suck and I don't like you" <div></div>

Kendricke

10-15-2005, 06:19 PM

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MarcusHT wrote:<BR> <P>Kendricke,</P> <P>I am not disagreeing with your thoughts regarding Templars or the balancing of powers between classes. My concern is with those who ARE unhappy with the changes being shouted down. The insults have certainly not been confined to only one side of the issue. Understand that is not an accusation, but if you look around (or just page up a bit) you'll see what I'm talking about.</P> <P>I do understand the difference between insults and constructive criticism, but I would not want to be the one to judge which category each persons posts fall under. And I think efforts to exclude some people from this thread just because they do not share the opinion of the original poster are as unfair as the efforts to exclude you from the threads several weeks ago. I think every Templar deserves their say. That is the point of this forum.<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Yes, I agree that's the point of this <EM>forum</EM> to hear from all Templars. However, it's not necessarily the point of this <EM>thread</EM>. Certainly there's been a bit of trolling and "flame baiting" going on in here to attempt to lock down the thread. One such critic has apparantly even admitted to this.</P> <P><BR> </P>

Timaarit

10-15-2005, 06:42 PM

<span><blockquote>Supernova17 wrote:<span> Templars are powerful healers still, as they were meant to be. </span><div></div><hr></blockquote>That I do agree with. I have not said anything else. My issue is with the fact that for example mages and certain fighter types are also powerful at what they do in groups, but they are also very powerul while soloing. Templars are far too weak at soloing and that issue must be looked into if the amount of solo content is not removed. Pre lu13 I had no problems with quests as the interesting ones required a group anyway. As it is, 50% of DoF quests is solo and while I completed one with my templar, other people in my guild completed 3 to 5. And as anyone can understand, few people have interest to do all the quests twice just to help me, and I dont even want to ask them to go through it again. I have gotten occasional help in some parts and the result has been very dishearthening, for example last night I killed 5 yellow scorpions (2 groups with 2 or 3 down arrows each). I was down to 50% healt and 30% power after each group. Then a friend passed by with his conjurer and offered help. I didn't cast a singe spell during the remaining 5 scorpions. All targets were dead before I had time to cast. Ok ok, I did cas one as I targeted a different one than he did, I think I saved about 1 second from him... Then I logged back to my monk and had fun.</span><div></div>

Bjerde

10-15-2005, 06:57 PM

Templar's Rock!

Takeo1

10-15-2005, 07:08 PM

<P> </P> <P>Shout out about what?</P> <P> </P> <P>It IS just a game afterall. Wow...a few changes and the next thing you know people are up in arms. I got one... </P> <P> </P> <P>Todo esta bien.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

Valin

10-16-2005, 01:33 AM

<P>Put me on your list of Templars that are content and happy with what they have RIGHT NOW!</P> <P> </P> <P>I would love to see a little love in the hammer bashing DPS - but if it never comes, I can still out last most solo opponents by just dropping all offensive spells, popping reactives over and over, and wearing the enemy out over time. It takes forever, but it can be done with relative safety.</P> <P>Getting back to the original post, I also try to guide and teach young Templars in the correct ways to keep a group alive. I find that the Templars that are brand new or were low level at LU13 learn much faster then some of the "old scool" Templars out there.</P> <P>Be it pre revamp or post, I challenge ANY other healing class to keep a group up better than a Templar. We still are the kings (and queens) of healers.</P> <P> </P>