Why Higher Wisdom is better now Post-Patch

[ChitzDaTroll]

<DIV>Alot of you have probably discovered this alread, but I am goign to leave this message, for those of you who havent figured it out, as I have yet to see a post on it here. This leads me to believe that either people arent aware of it, or are just to busy venting about the rest of the patch.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyways,... my main is a now 38 Templar on the Permafrost Server. Today I got to group with a templar of my same level and when I joined the group I of course dragged my mouse up to his name while I was INC to the group, so that I could compare stats, and see if I was far off from him. Same race, same class, same level,... I had 755 more power then him.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>How was this possable I thought to myself as I was running.</DIV> <DIV>I get to the group, inspect him, and at lvl 38, he was wearing full tier 4 pristine heavy armor, Plus a few rare imbued pieces of t4 heavy as well. His wisdom however,.. was only 99, at lvl 38.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For those of you that arent aware of it, at my level (im not sure of the adjustment in later levels), since the patch, I am getting an additional 5 points of power, for ever point of wisdom that I gain from an item, spell, whatever.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Because I decided when I was upgrading myself at lvl 31 into full tier4 gear, that I didnt want to be a cookie cutter templar, and unlike 99% of the templars on my server, was not going to wear full t4 heavy armor, most of which gave stats that werent my primary attribute as a templar, (wisdom and power), I chose instead, to try to upgrade every slot, but only with items that had wisdom on them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So, every single slot that I have, has + wisdom on it. None of my equipment is fabled, or legendary. I have no imbued pieces, I have no rare armor or weapons or shields. I am in a mix of medium armors, with 1 piece of heavy armor (my shoulder slot).</DIV> <DIV>This has put me at 250 wisdom, self buffed with protectorate, and my +8 wisdom buffing ring.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It was not expensive to do,... it was not hard to do, and it only took a few days of looking for things on the broker. Nothing is fabled, legendary, or rare.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"Morgan, [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] would you get 250 wisdom!!! you need high INT for better damage on your spells, higher agility for avoidance,.. heavy armor for mitigation,......."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yes,.. and Id like a pony too. heh</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>250 wisdom,.. because, at 5 points of power, per point of wisdom, if I am standing with a cookie cutter templar with 150 wisdom, I have a MINIMUM of 500 points of power more then him. A templar with 100 wisdom? 750 more power then him.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Consider it this way. When that templar that had 150 wisdom is Out of Power, and his group is still fighting,... I still have 6-7 heals left in me before Im out of power. 9-11 heals more then the 100 wisdom templar,  (because of power regen) PLUS,.. your power stretches farther also because,.. your debuffs are rarely ever resisted. Wisdom helps determine if your spells are resisted. I can go an hour in a group with chain pulls, and get maybe 1 resist every 10 minutes fighting ^^^ yellow heroics. Less resists, means less wasted power consumption cause you arent having to double or triple cast your debuffs to make them stick.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Is the mitigation your going to get from FULL heavy plate, that much different then your mitigation with medium armor? For me, mine is around 300 lower then the heavy plate templar next to me. Oh darn ...... thats 5% more damage Im taking then he is.</DIV> <DIV>Is my avoidance lower then the templar that goes with alot of agility but is wearing plate? About the same, cause they are in heavy plate.</DIV> <DIV>Do my nukes do as much damage cause my INT isnt as high? My job isnt to nuke, its to have enough power, heals, and debuffs to keep the group alive. If im doing an extra 10-15 points with a nuke that costs 80 power to cast,... wouldnt it be alot better for the group if that 80 power was for another heal?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bottom line,.,..</DIV> <DIV>Raise your wisdom, which will raise your power by A TON. It will also GREATLY reduce the frequency of resists on your debuffs, which will translate into MORE power for healing. And dont forget that the higher your wisdom,.. the higher your resists to magic, mental, and divine.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>SO many templars I see, my level and above are killing their groups because of their lack of power. It is very common for me to see lvl 47 templars, who have the same exact power as I did at level 34, because they have low wisdom. </DIV> <DIV>If you dont have enough power to heal, your going to get your groups killed, it doesnt matter how high your intelligence is, or if your mitigation and avoidance are.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If your getting excessive aggro,.. either you, or the tank, are doing your jobs wrong.</DIV> <DIV>If a ^^^orange heroic peels off to you and whacks you, your going to get hit wether your armor is absorbing 28% or 33% of the damage. 5% of a 400 point hit, is 80 points.  gearing your charecter to take that 80 points, while you have hundreds and hundreds less power then the templar in the next group, isnt going to save your groups life. Your going to be out of power, and not able to heal,.. but your armor and stats sure will look pretty.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1 point of wisdom = 5 points of power.</DIV> <DIV>Less resists on debuffs</DIV> <DIV>Higher Magic, Divine, Mental resistance.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Raise up your wisdom.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>(sits back and waits for the flames)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Morgandothian Gollandal</DIV> <DIV>38 High Elven Templar, Permafrost.</DIV> <DIV>Card carrying member of the 10% Templars Club.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by ChitzDaTroll on <SPAN class=date_text>09-25-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>04:58 PM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by ChitzDaTroll on <SPAN class=date_text>09-25-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>05:02 PM</SPAN> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN>  <P><SPAN class=time_text>(editted and editted for typos heh)</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by ChitzDaTroll on <span class=date_text>09-25-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:07 PM</span>

[kenji]

<DIV>i have heard that  power regen in battle now 1 pt per 10 lvls.. not 1% anymore.. right?</DIV>

[Raistlan]

correct<div></div>

[Sural_Argonus]

<P>Makes perfect sense to me.</P> <P>As a healer...our primary function is to heal.  The more power you have to heal, the better.  I rarely use my attack spells.  I'm all about my vitae and debuffs.  (And hope for some silly reason as I cast my Vitae I don't pull aggro from the tank...lol)</P> <P>As a friend of mine who played EQ for years said...Healer needs to be a battery.  Our primary job is to keep the tank alive.   You can only do that if you have enough power (mana) reserves to keep healing.  So I'm all for pushing my wisdom up as high as possible.</P> <P>I've been slacking on my Templar...Been concentrating on other things with the little time I have to play right now...I've only got my wisdom at 59 unbuffed at level 23...but once I can concentrate on him, then I will get the proper armor and equipment to get that wisdom as high as possible.  But even now, I still tend to do better then other templars at or above my level, because I've ALWAYS known my role as a templar.  Stay back and keep the tank alive.  lol</P>

[toxe14567]

Yes, good post, I can only agree with you Morgan. And it is pretty sad that one actually has to tell people these things.<div></div>

[Neophyte3679]

<DIV>Very nice post.  Only 1 comment.  I can highly see the use of wearing all Wisdom gear much more benficial in group play.  Althou you did point out that its only 5% more with heavy armor.  Do you think the same gear would be jsut as effective for a soloing templar, or not? </DIV>

[Torfidon]

<DIV>I agree.. and this is how i've played my character. I've always tried to max out wisdom.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In the small group I play in, when all the buffs are applied, my 50 templar has 320 wis, which isn't too far from the cap ( which would be 350, right?)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Playing solo is a diff matter. With this set of armor, I can barely take down a mob 5 lvls below me. It not a question of me dying from a single down 46, but that it takes 10 minutes to do so. I can heal myself till the cows come home, but this is NO fun.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So tonight, I'm going to try buying alternative sets of armor to see if I can make myself a killer cleric.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Has anyone tried doing this?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Torf</DIV>

[ChitzDaTroll]

<P>Good idea with trying the 2nd set of armor for soloing, let us know if it makes a large difference for that. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P> <P>I originally only posted this because the majority of the templars on permafrost that ive bumped into, even the lvl 40+ ones, Ive only seen one templar in 8 months around my level with over 180 wisdom. I can understand PRE patch,.,. when we werent getting jack for power with our wisdom, but now, its an immense difference to our power pools. When I joined a group last week, I had the templar I was replacing pretty much putting me down, because I wasnt in full matching t4 armor, and that I didnt have high enough agility. Yet, once he left, the group was much happier cause I never went OoP. /shrug</P> <P>My wisdom was about 130 at lvl 29, because lets face it, in tier2, there is pretty much no real wisdom armor that we can use. Its not till around lvl 30 and 31 that we get to start wearing the good stuff. Thats when its alot easier to find armor with wisdom on it.</P> <P>And dont forget, if you see a piece of armor with no wisdom, but say,.. 30 power on it. And you find a piece of equipment for that same slot, with only 15 power, but +7 wisdom,.. thats 50 power. 5 per point of wisdom. Your actually making out better then If you went for just straight power gear.</P> <P> </P> <P>I dont want anyone in the least bit to feel this is a bragging post,.. because thats not my intention. I just havent met any templars on my server that really feel the same way that I do, that having the power to keep our groups alive, as well as the lessened resists of our debuffs, is more beneficial in a group, then an extra 5% of mitigation and looking snazzy in full matching heavy plate.</P> <P>Thank you guys, for letting me know that at least some people out there agree with me. I greatly appreciate it. heh</P> <P> </P> <P>Respectfully,</P> <P>Morgandothian Gollandal</P> <P>38 Templar, Permafrost</P> <P> </P> <P>PS: Will list my gear in a little bit. None of it is rare, super expensive, or from raids. Just low-medium cost stuff off the broker.</P>

[Neophyte3679]

<P>Oh hellz no.  I really appreciate you psoting this.  Im going to get some new gear tonight when i get home thats lots of + wisdom stuff.</P> <P> </P> <P>Awesome. </P>

[Whitemane]

<DIV>With the 200 Wisdom Cap ( the cap is now 7xLevel) gone higher wisdom is nice but just a caution to not completely ignore mitigation. You will be getting agro alot more as a templar than you are used to ( remember reactives used to assign hate to the healee not the healer) if you choose all v.light etc. wisdom pieces as a templar you're going to die in a heart beat if you get agro and you will pretty much no matter what.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> My gear as all pretty much Heavy except GeBs and a Fabled Leather Helm and Im usually the last priest standing due to my mitigation / resists. You have the smallest HP pool of the priests so lower your mitigation too much and well ...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>All in All good advice in the origonal post. Power is life ( but some armour is nice ) Oh and its 4.5 points power per wisdom too.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-- Gemma 54 Templar Legion Najena</DIV>

[kenji]

depends on group setting, if group doesnt have a full mezzer, i will always wear my plate gear.. pacify sometimes resist and cause aggro to u... with weak clothes/leather, dmg is very high (fighting yellow^^^s) <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>wis is needed, but dun forget u got lots of way to reduce dmg <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sign, Prae, Cond Smite all 3 are our new mez/stun...</DIV>

[a_magic_taco]

<div></div>After the combat changes, a high power pool doesn't really mean crap on raids.  It used to affect your power regen rate, but now you have almost no control over your base regen before item mods.  having 500 extra power is fun, and all, but over the course of a long raid fight (I'm not talking about clearing trash mobs, I'm talking about boss mobs) that doesnt mean crap compared to what it used to mean.  I'll admit, it does help with resists and elemental/noxious/arcane mitigations, which rocks.  If you intend on primarily raiding, a huge power pool is...well, it doesn't matter any more. Now its just GEBs/BAoW boots + Invoker robe + prismatic + battlement of the mind = total possible mana regen aside from buffs.  BAoW booties means a few less, but you get my drift. If I misread the post earlier about power pool no longer affecting power regen rate, than this post of mine was pretty pointless, hehe.  Hopefully it wasn't wrong <div></div><p>Message Edited by a_magic_taco05 on <span class=date_text>09-27-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:40 AM</span>

[ChitzDaTroll]

<DIV>A valid point im sure for raiding, i raid as little as possable. Due to the years and years of forced raiding in eq1 all the way up through time, the thought of serious raiding still turns my stomach. As a typical player, who is not in a diehard raiding guild where everyone is walking around in fabled gear, with prismatics, manastones, and screaming maces, ect,.. I dont really mind.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Im more of a "group'er" at the moment. I have no intention of raiding anytime soon. The nice thing though, is that you can go through eq2 without being forced to raid, and you could still be extremely efficient <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ive found that in normal groups, on the occasions where I get aggro for a few seconds, I am never taken to the brink of death in a heartbeat. My mitigation is only really 5% more damage then a heavy plated friend of mine. Taking 80 points less of a 400 point hit arent going to kill you most of the time, unless you've gotten yourself ALOT of aggro, and if that is the case, its not your armors fault if you die, its from "pilot error" so to speak. I have died 2 times since the patch, and ive grouped most everyday since LU13. Both times that I died, I was still learning how to judge hate from the reactives. With how much aggro I generated those first few times, if I had been hidden inside of a sherman tank, the mobs still would have killed me <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thank you for the future advice, should I ever decide to become a raider though.</DIV> <DIV>My resists arent shabby though, from mixing and matching various peices, rather then being stuck with the same resists/wisdom/power on every piece of armor, that every other templar has,... ive managed to be able to get various peices, all non fabled, rare, imbued, or HQ'ed, that have a combination of better wisdom/power, and stats all around including resists.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And i'll still out heal the templar next to me with low wisdom, in all fabled. /shrug.</DIV> <DIV>And yes,... 500 extra power is kinda nice heh. Ever run low on power, and wished could have just gotten 2-3 more heals off so that your group wouldnt have wiped? In a group,.. in the arena,.. in a raid,... ever happened?</DIV>

[Rommie10-284]

I've done the same thing, but for another reason.  I run a Troll Templar, so I need all the Wisdom items I can get to cover the gap over the higher-wisdom races.  When they started adding WIS items in non-traditional slots, it was just gravy.  (I love my WIS necklace, heh) This sorts of points out that ARAC is weakened, if not broken.  Now that you need every edge you can get in this new system, I'd feel forced to pick a "proper" race for a class if I chose to level a new one.  A High Elf Guardian is just a self-inflicted wound <span>:smileywink:</span> <div></div>

[ChitzDaTroll]

<P>All equipment is off of the broker. Nothing was over 13gp (except for the two hex dolls). Nothing is rare tradeskilled, imbued, or the result of a heritage quest, I have also never gotten anything from a raid. The average price of most of my stuff was about 2-7gp. I got almost all of it at lvl 31, and have since only really upgraded 2-3 little things between 31 and when I was 34. Not going to buy any other upgrades till lvl 40. For the most part, 98% of what Im wearing is common stuff off of the broker, at lvl 31.</P> <P>I will only list the wisdom and power on the items, no other stats. And will list the total ROUGH power from the item. And no,.. i dont care if you get 5.6,.. or 4.8 power per wisdom, im just goign to say 5, for the ease of it.</P> <P>Head: Banetooth Helm ------ 10 wisdom, 20 power. (70 power total)</P> <P>Chest: Leather Deputy Tunic ----- 11 wisdom, 10 power. (65 power total)</P> <P>Shoulders: FORGED feyiron vanguard spaulders. ------ 7 wisdom, 19 power. (54 power total.. forged has 1 more wis then pristine)</P> <P>Forearms: Traditional Haffling Wristguards --------- 11 wisdom, 12 power. (67 power total)</P> <P>Hands: Forged Feyiron Chainmail Gloves -------- 7 wisdom, 16 power. (51 power total)</P> <P>Legs: Traditional Haffling Pants ----- 9 wisdom, 12 power (57 power total)</P> <P>Feet: Leatherfoot Deputy Boots ----- 10 wisdom, 12 power. (62 power total)</P> <P>Neck: Green-Hood Dweller Necklace ------ 4 wisdom, 10 power (30 power total)</P> <P>Ear: Hoop of the Night ----- 6 wisdom, 20 power (50 power total)</P> <P>Ring 1: Ring of the Hearth Elders ---- 6 wisdom, 22 power (52 power total)</P> <P>Ring 2: Band of Torment ----- 6 wisdom, 23 power (53 power total)</P> <P>Wrist 1: Barrister's Badge ----- 6 wisdom, 12 power (42 power total)</P> <P>Wrist 2: Barrister's Badge ----- 6 wisdom, 12 power (42 power total)</P> <P>Waist: Cloth Sash ----- 7 wisdom, 20 power (55 power total)</P> <P>Primary Weapon: Enduring Sceptre of the Jungle ----- 9 wisdom 25 power (70 power total)</P> <P>Secondary Slot: Champion's Glittering Orb ------ 10 wisdom, 37 power (87 power total)</P> <P>Activateable 1: +11 wisdom hex doll --- (55 power total)</P> <P>Activateable 2: +11 wisdom hex doll --- (55 power total)</P> <DIV>-------------------------------------------</DIV> <DIV>Protectorate gives an extra 36 wisdom at adept 1, which is another 180 power total</DIV> <DIV>Pristine imbued opaline ring of wisdom, gives a +8 wisdom buff, for another 40 power total.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The following, are what I consider my important stats, after buffing with Bravery, Symbol of Ryltan, Pious Redoubt, Protectorate, and the imbued opaline ring of wisdom.... regular self buffs for me, at level 38.</DIV> <DIV>--------------------------------------------</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Health: 2576</DIV> <DIV>Power: 2307</DIV> <DIV>Mitigation: 1267</DIV> <DIV>Avoidance: 15.8%</DIV> <DIV>Wisdom: 250</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>With 2307 power, you can chain cast Restoration 13 times before going Out of power,.. or chain cast Supplicants prayer 29 times before going Out of power.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You'd never do that,.. BUT,.. youd have the power to. with even only 500 less power, thats 4 less direct cures,.. or, 6 less reactives. That difference or even not that much of a difference, would save alot of groups when you go out of power, and just 1 or 2 more heals would have done it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Respectfully Submitted,</DIV> <DIV>Morgandothian Gollandal, 38 High Elven Templar</DIV> <DIV>Permafrost</DIV>

[Valin]

<P>I agree with you 100%</P> <P> </P> <P>In fact I have 2 sets of armor, one for soloing that focuses on int as well as wisdom and a set for group activities that is almost EXACTLY what you have.  In my opinion you have hit the nail right on the head</P>

[Supernova17]

Higher Wisdom is better up to the point where you hit that 420 soft cap at level 60. At 54 I can buff myself up to 430 and in groups I can get up to 500 with the right classes (Warden, Paladin etc). Raise the cap SOE!!! <span>:smileysurprised:</span> <div></div>

[ChitzDaTroll]

<P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/view_profile?user.id=99707" target=_blank><SPAN>Supernova17</SPAN></A> , did you take full tier5 armor, or did you mix and match peices to get higher wisdom?</P> <P>Im 1 level away from dinging 40, have bought a few peices in advance,. .but have not really gotten to look at that teirs wisdom gear yet, so am not sure if there are any really good "non fabled (aka 4p) gear" that I should look for on the broker.</P> <P>Any suggestions?</P> <P>Cant really afford fabled stuff, as since LU13, my income has stopped. No money in being a sage anymore except for the occasional tell to combine an adept3. heh</P>

[Cowdenic]

<P>2 things level 40 gear for Templars? You need to look at Nightblood gear, all heavy armor, equippable at 38 as i recall, and all 7 pieces have Wis boosts to it.</P> <P>At 52 my Wisdom is 279. I have great mitigation. I wear all heavy. But I have managed to buff my stats. Now time to [improve that sickly 100 Int my toon has. LOL</P>