My Templar's fallen and can't get up

[Batug]

<DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I chose to be a Templar from day 1.  When I picked Templar, I chose it with the knowledge I was giving up really good utility spells (like SOW, Evac, Invis, etc.) because I was under the impression that since Templars were the "no-frills" healer, they would be able to heal slightly better than other classes. Well, after months of playing, that seemed to be the case. I'll even go as far as saying I thought Templars were overpowered, especially with no aggro reactive heals. I could heal like nobody's business.  When I heard about the combat revamp, I expected the playing field to be leveled in relation to other healers.  I expected the other healing classes would be adjusted so that they could be in the same ballpark as Templars in terms of raw healing capacity.  I also expected that all healers would be much weaker overall to make the game more exciting and playable.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I was fine with the expected changes.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What I didn't expect was that other healing classes that have tremendous utility spells (Evac? SOW? Invis? I would go as far as saying they were class defining) would be given "equal" (and arguably better) healing abilities than Templars. These classes kept their utility, and gained much in the way of healing. And much in the way of DPS.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Did I miss something?  Did I make a poor choice choosing a Templar?  What are a Templar's defining utility spells?  If Templars are going to be an average healer (or "equal") then I would like to request some worthwhile utility spells added to our spell line. Oh wait - my three levels of Water Breathing spells might have class defining, but now all priests have them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It's discouraging. Is our average/below average healing - no utility - current situation some form of punishment because they were made somewhat overpowered initially? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've been reading these boards often, and have yet to see anyone really address the current situation with Templars. Can someone shed some light on how Templars are worth playing in comparison to other healers?  In a nutshell, if I have no worthwhile utility spells, then give us the slight healing advantage that the class description led people to believe they would have. (If I do have utility spells, someone please shed some light on them, after playing since launch I haven't found them..) Or, if all healers are now equal, please give us some utility that others classes have had since launch.   </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks for listening!</DIV> <DIV>Orden, 50 Templar of Unrest</DIV>

[Blast2hell]

I'm going to parse myself against some other healers this week. So far I've heard a lot of templars upset that we don't get the utility of others, but other priest can heal as good as we do.   I'm still not convinced other healers are as good or better at healing then we are.  I've yet to see any proof of it in actual numbers.   Yes some of our spells heal for less, no doubt about that,  but is it so much less that there is a perfect balance?   Given all our ways of healing, do we still heal less or the same as other priest?   I say right off the bat no.   But till I parse I can't say, but I'd love any other priest or templar to parse first before saying we can't heal better then other priest.

[Lumens]

My Templar is also fallen, and does not want to get up. I have played a Temp to level 50, and another to 46 to get the group cures I missed first time round.  The 50 is deleted, such a shame, since with adept 3's she would so much better now but I needed the money from her kit to make life easier. There has been, for me since the patch, little time to play since I have work & the servers are up & down like a fiddlers elbow.  Initial impressions are that I can fight very much better, but heals are so very much worse to the extent of being almost ineffective.  And they are pretty much all Adept quality, Master II in the case of group reactive. No longer a healer, just a feeble version of a Paladin I think.  If I wanted a Paladin I would have made one. Subscription cancelled

[Tuved2]

All priests are supposed to heal equally [Removed for Content]. That was stated at EQ2 release or can you just not read?

[BenEm]

See whether or not your convinced  dosent make a whole bunch of difference when the developers themselves have stated this is what they are trying to accomplish . They have already stated they want us all to have the same healing capacity and they will patch and balance till they acheive this ........ they have to because of PvP  so again the main dif between the healing classes will be the Utility and our utility sucks!  Thats my one and only gripe about this update and hence why I wouldnt pick a Temp if I had the opportunity to do it all over .

[Blast2hell]

<P> </P> <P> </P> <P><BR> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tuved2 wrote:<BR>All priests are supposed to heal equally [Removed for Content]. That was stated at EQ2 release or can you just not read? <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Well, since your going to get to name calling,   If you think all priest heal the same because the patch notes say so, your a [Removed for Content]  for sure.</P> <P></P> <HR> BenEmma wrote:<BR>See whether or not your convinced  dosent make a whole bunch of difference when the developers themselves have stated this is what they are trying to accomplish . They have already stated they want us all to have the same healing capacity and they will patch and balance till they acheive this ........ they have to because of PvP  so again the main dif between the healing classes will be the Utility and our utility sucks!  Thats my one and only gripe about this update and hence why I wouldnt pick a Temp if I had the opportunity to do it all over . <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>PvP has nothing to do with anything being done in then PvE world.  They've stated several times they can set seperate code for a spell in PvE then PvP.</P> <P> </P> <P>And if you believe that what they state they want, and what they get are the same thing, then you really need to pay attention to the EQ2 world.  Before the game launched they stated the way the game would be and what they wanted the classes to do, but it didn't end up that way, hence the revamp.  </P> <P> </P> <P>And assuming all priest have the same healing power because a Dev said it true is laughable.</P> <P>Message Edited by Blast2hell on <SPAN class=date_text>09-14-2005</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>06:53 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Blast2hell on <span class=date_text>09-14-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:54 PM</span>

[kenji]

<P>i dont understand...really...</P> <P>1)Healers should able to keep their group's life equally.</P> <P>not Healers should Heal same value / same ratio, if not why so many types.  lol</P> <P>2)Longer Cast time + Recast time should have better benefit.</P> <P>if not, why not choose a shorter 1 and easier to determine the time to heal. also why 3.0 direct heal power ratio isnt better than 2.0? i think 3.0 cast time will need more battle-pre-read.</P> <P> </P>

[Destraum]

<DIV>I have been reading alot of Templars complaining about utilities that other classes have that we as Templars don't. (SoW, Invis, Evac, etc.) And now us gaining a utility (mez?).  Personally, I miss my root spell from EQ1.  I have not had the time to do the research on the other healing classes.  So I am just going to shoot from the hip a bit and toss out my opinion.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>First of all, I became a Templar because like so many, I enjoyed being the powerful healer that I am.  True to the class and background of a "Pure Healer" was the reason that we were given the type of heals we originally received.  Being able to out heal our other brethren was our pure choice and benefit.  And yes, we sacrifced utility to become just that.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now, with the reduction in our healing ability, and lack of utility spells may have arguably made us useless.  This remains to be seen.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But, one thing I think that has been completely overlooked is that the reason we have so many classes in this game was that every class had it's "Specialty".  Clerics mainly healed for tremendous amounts, Druids could heal and buff, Shamans could heal less and buff/debuff.  But to try and balance all "Priest" classes so they heal equally just to me is unobtainable.  Every class should have is specialty, whether it be healing, buffing, debuffing, DoT'g, melee, etc.  Otherwise, you run into the delema (sp) of having to many classes do the same exact thing.  Then what?  Revamp them again?  This healing revamp may have been SoE's mistake to try and accomplish.  For in my opinion, it is actually something that cannot be accomplished.  Every class has it's Specialty, maybe some were a little to powerful, and others were lacking.  Maybe a fine tuning needed to be done.  As I said, this remains to be seen and only time will tell if they did it right or not.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hey, atleast they haven't given us a "game-breaking" complete heal yet.  Something that took them about 3 years to completely overcome in EQ1 since most tanks there now have over 10k hp's.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I will continue to play my Templar, I will adjust to the changes.  And, if I get so frustrated as to completely give up on him.  I will play him some more and find a better way to do it.  That's just me though and the way I am.  Never give up on it. (Although my necro may come out of the closet a little more often. =P)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Destraum, 46 Templar</DIV> <DIV>Officer of Raging Phoenix</DIV> <DIV>Lavastorm Server</DIV>

[Shaolin Sam]

<DIV>I'm rather dissappointed myself. Heck... We've got people calling us "Ghetto Furys" now. My wife (Fury) gets invited to groups like mad now. She felt bad and asked a few groups, "Would you rather group with my hubby? He's a full Templar."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Their response? "Heh. No. We'd prefer something more like you". (translation -- "Erm... no. Templars sux"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Feel useless? I do. Heh <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[eirei]

<P><BR> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Shaolin Sam wrote:<BR> <DIV>I'm rather dissappointed myself. Heck... We've got people calling us "Ghetto Furys" now. My wife (Fury) gets invited to groups like mad now. She felt bad and asked a few groups, "Would you rather group with my hubby? He's a full Templar."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Their response? "Heh. No. We'd prefer something more like you". (translation -- "Erm... no. Templars sux"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Feel useless? I do. Heh <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>  I have been reading all these threads on how useless Templars are now. How Templars cannot solo anymore. How they cannot heal anymore. The only thing I can conclude after soloing nearly a half a level in a few hours time is........there is a whole lot of trolls running around. Or, I could conclude on the solo bit that you were worthless at soloing to start with if you would prefer a different conclusion.</P> <P> </P> <P>  I love trolls, I eat them for breakfast when possible <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. Can everyone please get a grip and learn their class and play with other classes before stating silly things like "templars never get a group now" when it is just one day after release, and 4 servers did not even get to participate fully on the first day?</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Cowdenic]

<P>I am going to [Removed for Content] you all off right now. My Templar solos great now. If you are having a hard time getting groups it is because you guys suck.</P> <P> </P> <P>Xlrate Lvl 50 ^^^ Epic x4 Templar of Everfrost</P> <P>Healer Extrordianaire of The Horde</P>

[Timaarit]

<span><blockquote><hr>Tuved2 wrote:All priests are supposed to heal equally [Removed for Content]. That was stated at EQ2 release or can you just not read? <div></div><hr></blockquote>No, all healers were supposed to be able to keep the group alive equally well. Those with SoW can flee better than thos without, so they should have less healing power. Those with invis, need to fight less than those without invis so less healing power for them. Those who do more damage and have good debuffs need to heal less so less healing power for them. Or did you choose some class because you thought you were supposed to heal like templar but have tons of more utility? Now that is what I would call stupid. PS. EQ release also states a lot more that has not happened. So your excuse is getting a bit old.</span><div></div>