Have I gimped my templar?

[Fivesta]

<DIV>Hi all</DIV> <DIV>I'm a newbie who chose templar, and I'm now lvl 24 - problem is, I chose Gehna's healing arc at 10, and Aura's Jahnda's Lambert Pulse at 20 (yes I'm a newbie).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My question is, have I completely gimped myself by not taking group cure noxious at 10 and Caulria's at 20? Is there hope for my templar? I'd rather not have to start all over again.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks</DIV>

[Tar~Palantir]

At 10 i took renic's healthburst, a 1sec cast time life saver Direct Heal.  At 20 I took caulria's vitae.  The group cure's are "meh" IMO.

[Brallin]

Cures are the way to go.....their mastery is unlimited so the spells will scale to your lvl.....where as the other heals and such will become pretty much useless over time. I would not start all over again tho simply because you didnt pick them, there may be a /respec coming up if and when the combat changes go into effect. Dont worry you will still be able to do a fine job as a templar. :smileyvery-happy:

[SilverNi]

If you ever wanted to do any high end raid content, for anything that has a group poison or elemental DOT, such as Venekor or Darathar, you are pretty much useless on that raid, not accounting for your direct heal capability. I have seen several players that have the same difficulty as you, however, and they still do partake in these raids. Albiet, their roles are limited. If you get the chance to respec, be sure to choose the group cures, as they are the only spells that do not become useless.

[Imri]

Be patient and stick with it. There is a very high chance we will get a respec (albeit unconfirmed) when class/combat balancing goes live. There is to much changing around in there not to give people one. If you really want to do a reroll, 24 isn't to far in though. Personally I'd live with it for now.

[Supernova17]

I had chosen Group Noxious when they did a serverwide Respec as my Templar was 28 by that time and when I got into my 40's and was gearing for Raiding I chose Group Arcane. After I hit 50 and went on many raids daily, I did a /respec and chose all of the Group cures, they are invaluable against Epic's that do group elemental dot's or poision dot's or mobs which stun the entire group only to have a healer out of range rush forward and cure the group. So yes, you didn't [Removed for Content] yourself. Once you get up to your 40's and/or 50 you can do a /respec for all of your traits. <div></div>

[Timaarit]

Lucky me for not doing the respec untill yesterday <span>:smileywink:</span>. I picked the group cures and I must say it really changed the way I could heal groups who have no one to disarm. Especially the group noxious cure is a must and the arcane cure also proved useful immediately. <div></div>

[MadisonPark]

<DIV>On the bright side, group cure noxious is one that every healing class has the option for, and trauma is available to all but inq, defilers and furies. Would have been a much larger loss had you chosen other than Elemental or Arcane. </DIV>

[Krynd]

Not gimped, but not as effective in higher-level groups.  I respec'ed about a month ago and picked the group cures (I picked other spells originally, too), and have seen a HUGE difference in my efficiency in a group, even outside raids.  I agree with the others that have said that's it's probably unnecessary to re-roll, though; just pick the group cures at 30 and 40, and maybe there will be another respec after the revamp.

[Redweav]

So we're back to the EQ1 problem of "if you don't have MGB and crit heals, you're useless to the hardcore high-end"?  I don't think the choice you made at level 10 could have THAT much impact on your playing at level 50.   ...could be wrong tho...I was wrong once before and it's bound to happen again.

[Imri]

<DIV>Unfortunately for templars it has a huge impact Redweaver. Like it was stated above, at least every other priest has the option for the group cure noxious, but to not have them is a serious hinderance to both your power management and groupping abilities. They are the only abilities in the game without a regular spell equivalent. Post 30 you will see a lot more instances where the group status cures will save you a lot of effort. Can a templar get by without them, of course, but one that does is only shortchanging himself.</DIV>

[gamegal176]

<DIV>What if you're further along? I have a level 38 templar which I outfitted with a bunch of adept 3 spells and heritage items. Unfortunately having played only a necromancer before my templar, I didn't know to pick the group cures until recently--so 10, 20, and 30 are all shot. Lately, as I see more powerful DoT spells affecting my groups, I'm starting to really hate my toon :smileysad:</DIV> <DIV>Is it even worth playing this one to 50? I will be starting a warden eventually b/c it's pointless to make 2 high level templars, but I really do like my fun templar reactives. I just don't want to waste time on a toon that will be useless at end game.</DIV> <DIV>I'm hoping for a /respec (this char was created towards the end of March so it hasn't been an option for her yet), but I'm not going to count on being able to do that.</DIV><p>Message Edited by gamegal176 on <span class=date_text>06-02-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:21 AM</span>

[MilkToa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Redweaver wrote:<BR>So we're back to the EQ1 problem of "if you don't have MGB and crit heals, you're useless to the hardcore high-end"?  I don't think the choice you made at level 10 could have THAT much impact on your playing at level 50.   ...could be wrong tho...I was wrong once before and it's bound to happen again. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>If I where in your situation, I would re-roll. Getting to level 24 doesn't take very long and I use the group noxious cure all the time. You'll still have a useful character but you'll be missing a couple of important tools. Who knows what will happen if/when the combat balance goes live but I wouldn't take any chances.</DIV>

[Redweav]

So if these are indeed as critical to your playing as the templar comminity seems to think, then why not a feedback campaign to get these group cures added to our basic leveling scheme spell repetoir?  What is the point of giving us a choice of abilities if there's not REALLY a choice...and there isn't a choice if these are seen as VITAL components of EVERY high level templar.  But that still leaves us the not-so-minor problem of people's attitude of "if you don't have X you are worthless"

[VettsVey]

<P>Bah your not worthless.......... just worth less.  JUST KIDDING!</P> <P>Anyhow, your right, these group cures should be apart of all priest classes.  We all should get them like how we got Radiance.  A bonus spell, that levels up as you do.  Thus giving us trainings that do just add character.  Oh well.  Just hold tight, you got a few levels to go till the hopefully /respec.</P>

[Redweav]

I picked Gehna's and Caulria's and am not really worried too awfully much about raiding, so I'm fine with those choices and don't desire a /respec for them...though knowing what I know now, I'll pay more attention when those choices for the other group cures come up.  The only pick I'd like to change is when I chose the ability to summon one unit of Dwarven Ale...and shortly thereafter discovered I have Summon Food and Drink as a spell (/bonk self)...ah well, as a dwarf, the role play behind this makes me content if I never get a /respec.

[Imri]

If the combat/class balancinb is anything as severe as being stated, I'd say there is a good chance for a respec, albeit nothing definate.

[Blaine Brokenhamm]

Not choosing group noxious cure hasnt totally gimped your character...as Laria pointed out that's the one every class can get.  However, if I were you I would choose the 3 remaining group cures.  Basically everything else that is offered will be replaced by a higher level spell at some point....It may ease your leveling in the short run...but in the larger view of the game the group cures are skills that will be used forever...I personally had to respect to get them all but am very happy that I did.  I use at least one of the group cures in every raid it seems these days....Raid being defined as any 50+ epic multi group encounter.

[Truffor]

maybe no /respec ? Just 2 things : - It's quite obvious we aren't in such a hurry. - (But...) If they deny us the /respec, they will hear us loud and clear. <div></div>

[Zabumt]

<DIV>A thing to note about our group cures.  They have a MUCH bigger range than our single-target counterparts.  So on a mob that likes to AE stun, you can sit back at max range and group cure arcane instead of having to walk into range to single-target cure arcane.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Another thing to note is that some epic mobs will throw down uncureable AE DoTs.  In those cases, no group cure is going to help you.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Are group cures really helpful?  Absolutely.  Are they truely a need type of thing?  I'm not so sure.  I'd like to see notes on raids doing hardcore ae dot casters with and without group curing Templars.  I think it can be done just with different tactics.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Xran]

The dev mentioned at the Fan Faire that combat revamp would try to alleviate some of the issue where if you don't choose some of the crucial group cure (like group cure poison) for training that you are gimped for life. For one, he mentioned that everyone will get a respec when combat revamp comes. <div></div>

[bigmak20]

If we are getting /respec with combat changes... then COMBAT REVAMP SOON PLEASE!!!! <span>:smileytongue:</span> Otherwise... yeah. <b> You have a gimped toon.</b> If you think combat change and /respec will happen in not so distant future then don't re-roll. Otherwise; re-roll.  If you are pre level 30 I'd say almost definitely re-roll.   The exp comes VERY SLOW after 30 and after 40 is a CRAWL.  You have not invested much time yet. I'm L49; I'm gimped.  I'm an idiot for not choosing group cures.  The only ones I remember even seeing are noxious and maybe one somewhere else -- and I even remember my reasoning at the time.  I thought I'd be offered them again like the +int or +wis or +sta (etc) I was being repeatedly offered AND I thought "It's a Spell not a Trait" I can buy it now that I qualify for it.  Boy was I wrong. Here's some irony... at 40 I LOOKED for group cures and I don't remember seeing any.  I think I choose a +sta buff.  ????  I think I even looked for group cures at 30 and I don't remember seeing any.  I'm trying to figure out where they are and here I am nearly L50.  Good Grief.

[MrDiz]

You will be an effective grind healer, and probably a good raid healer too. BUT make sure you tell your raid leaders that you dont have group cures. Most high level raid guilds will simply assume you took them and expect them. As long as you tell them this they can plan around it. Most raids will need 4 or 5 healers anyways,  and usually only one group if hit aoe (if raid is well executed) , although this is not always the case. Plus its not all raids that even need them. So id say yes you have given yourself a handicap, but no you are not gimped. However to all up and coming templars I would strongly recomment taking all 4. The other options really dont make a squat of difference to the later levels and barely made much difference at the lower levels. BoV is still a superb spell if upgraded and used well (you will still use it even at lvl 50 if all your other lines are not ready) and taking the specialisation option really wont change much. Not having the group cure trauma wont help much but may make some future raid very hard if u dont have. <div></div>

[kwa]

/reroll