Need advice from lvl 30+ templars on spell upgrades..

[Brutus2]

<DIV>Ok, adept 3 templar spells sell for about 30 g on my server which is nuts but I already notice that my reactive heals are just not good enough as the tanks are starting to get hit for much more then the reactive heals for.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I *may* be able to pull together 30g soon but before I spend every last copper I have on one spell upgrade I would like some advice.  I can only upgrade 1 spell and that will be it for a very long time, so what is the best way to spend my 30g?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am thinking Supp prayer or Intercession.  SP is good because I usually group with excellent tanks who hold aggro well and so a single target reactive which also boosts AC is nice.  However, I hear people everywhere talking about how Intercession "ROCKS"  Now, I am lvl 28 at the moment so I dont  have intercession yet but I dont understand why you would need a group reactive over a single target reactive if your MT is holding aggro.  I know I have not used Soothing Sermon in a long time.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1. So if I'm going to spend all my gold on one spell, knowing it will be a long time before I can afford another Adept III.  What is the most important or most useful?  SP? Intercession? Something else?  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2. Is there a big upgrade to SP comming along that would make upgrading it pointless?  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>3. Why does everyone seem to love intercession so much over a single target heal?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks for any advice!</DIV>

[Jukk]

1. Spend on SP. Intercession adept1 is not uncommon to drop.2. Not that I know of, though everyone knows it sucks.3. Intercession heals a great deal, and it actually STACKS with single reactives. It's a good spell.SP sucks, but you're stuck with it...upgrade it to lessen the suckyness.

[Ke]

<DIV>I use intercession a moderate amount and SP fairly rarely. If you took the L20 traning option of CSV, then SP really isnt too important either. Although, I do like the fact that its on a different timer, so I can have CSV and SP both running on the tank (one takes over when the other one expires). </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Intercession is an awesome spell. I use it prior to pulling and also when CSV isnt quite enough to keep the tank alive (which is actually pretty rare most of the time with a good tank). Its probably the one I'll be upgrading to App 3 first. SP would be my second choice though as adept 3 will bring the healing on par with CSV and the AC boost should hopefully justify the extra power costs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You just cant complain about the 8(+1) x 260ish hp heals from intercession stacking with the 4(+1) x 166 from CSV. Watching a tank go from red to green in an instant (against grouped mobs in patricular) is such a satisfying feeling! Quite frankly, if your tank is taking more than 400 damage a hit on average, then go find something easier to fight!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[MilkToa]

<DIV>I'm still using my Adept 3 intercession at level 40. I think it's healing for 355 hp a  hit. I cast it more  than all my other healing spells combined.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[SenorPhrog]

<DIV>I'm not really sure why people like intercession over single target heals so much but its my personal preference and I got adept 3 as soon as I could on it.   One big advantage I see is that it covers your whole party.  If you got a recast timer on your single heal and all of a sudden somebody draws aggro that isn't supposed to you've got to come up with something quick and also keep the MT alive.  Intercession allows me to do that.   Yes its a power hungry monster but I don't know thats just my personal preference.</DIV>

[AzraelAzgard]

<DIV>Intercession is more efficent I think, it gives bigger healing which is great for most mobs, it covers your whole group and because of the bigger heals even if its not healing full everytime your tank gets hit if a caster gets hit the 300+ heal will help them a lot more, it lasts longer too which is better for having the time to get debuffs in while its still worth it, Id go for Intercession ad3 and enjoy <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[khrokh]

I would go for intercession, assuming you already have BoV Adept 3 (cheap, very power efficient).You get reactions for over 300 with intercession and it has 8 charges vs 4 for the single target. If you feel your tanks are getting hit for more than the reactions it s probably because you use only single target reactives (~130 for BoV ad3 and ~170 for SP ad3 at a mana cost almost double of BoV).Intercession is both the highest efficiency power vs hp healed and the highest reactions, its main dounsides are cast time and recast (5s isnt that bad for something that will absorb over 2k4). If you need to heal more than what intercession does, just stack SP or BoV with it, it will take you some time before the mobs hit a good tank for over 500 per hit (outside of specials).

[ken]

<DIV>Intercession...It ROCKS! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I usally pre-cast it for battles and if a battle is tough, cast it during the battle.  Great spell since it heals so much and stacks with our other spells nicely.</DIV>

[Brutus2]

<DIV>Well, I hit 29 last night and I have Intercession now.  My SP is adept I and intercession is of course App I at the moment.  Last night my group had a very successful trip through Nek Castle.  We did very well all the way to the end, sadly Lord Everling got the best of us.  I was using both SP and Intercession (even though it was still app I).  I do like intercession as a backup to SP escpecially with all the AOE attacks we saw. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Still, I can only afford one Adept 3 and I imagine it will be a long  time before I see 30 gold again.  From what I'm reading here I am leaning toward Intercession but I just think SP gets more use.  Intercession is good in a big group but I always have SP up on the main tank and SP is also useful when I solo.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Grrr, still cant decide.  30 gold is darn expensive for one spell.</DIV>

[MilkToa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Brutus2 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Well, I hit 29 last night and I have Intercession now.  My SP is adept I and intercession is of course App I at the moment.  Last night my group had a very successful trip through Nek Castle.  We did very well all the way to the end, sadly Lord Everling got the best of us.  I was using both SP and Intercession (even though it was still app I).  I do like intercession as a backup to SP escpecially with all the AOE attacks we saw. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Still, I can only afford one Adept 3 and I imagine it will be a long  time before I see 30 gold again.  From what I'm reading here I am leaning toward Intercession but I just think SP gets more use.  Intercession is good in a big group but I always have SP up on the main tank and SP is also useful when I solo.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Grrr, still cant decide.  30 gold is darn expensive for one spell.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>You're underestimating the value of intercession. Whether I'm in a large group, small group or solo, if the mobs hits hard (i.e. greater than 200 damage per hit) I use intercession. Yes it has a longer cast time but it also last twice as many hits so you have more time to recast it. I have an adept 3 intercession, SP and BoV, throughout the 30's I used intercession the most, followed by CSoV, SP and BoV.  I always use intercession on ++ mobs, use it often on higher level + mobs and sometimes on normal mobs. At it's maximum healing of 355 per hit you can get up to 2840 hp worth of healing in 1 cast. SP can only do 1/3 of that.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[MadisonPark]

<DIV>If you want to be technical, all the spells have big upgrades coming- I got Supplicant's Prayer adept 3, but now at 48 I *never* use it as it doesnt stack with Greater Intercession (level 40). So, while i got use out of it for levels 34/35 - 41, it now collects dust.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for the use of Intercession over Supplicant's Prayer, bluntly speaking in your mid to late 30s SP just doesnt cut it. Its only healing for around 160 + ac for 5 hits while the mob is hitting for 400-600. Intercession heals for 8 hits at 300ish + AC. Often times, the low regular hits are less than the 300, making up for the big special hit.</DIV>

[Brutus2]

<DIV>Just wanted to say thank you to everyone for posting.  You have all made good points.  Seems that Intercession is the first priority for upgrade to Adept 3 for me, especially since I already have SP at Adept I. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now, the next goal is how to get it for less then 30 gold!</DIV>

[Ke]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Brutus2 wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now, the next goal is how to get it for less then 30 gold!</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Either: </P> <P>Harvest the coral or palladium yourself (unbelivably rare harvest)</P> <P>Or</P> <P>Buy the coral or palladium off the broker<BR></P> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Then find a sage and negotiate a price.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On my server, I have seen palladium or coral at 18g from time to time and I'm sure you could persuade a sage to make it for you for 5g.</DIV>

[Cassusdy]

<DIV>If you are close to 40 then dont waste your gold. You get lots of nice upgrades such as greater intercession and Boon of arbitration...But if you are low 30s then Id go for intercession.</DIV>

[sleepyj]

Is there any lvl 30 to 39 spell worth upgrading to adept 3?From what I read, lvl 20 to 29 spells won't stack with lvl 30 to 39, or lvl 40 to 50. It seems to me that lots of templars will use bov, sp or intercession to tier 5 directly.I have many palladium and jasper, enough to upgrade all lvl 20 to 29 spells. Comparatively I have only one t4 rare ink, and one more would cost about 1p. If so, I'll just make that ink into ball of flames and sell to rich wizard...

[AzraelAzgard]

<DIV>lvl 38 Reproach is worth it, its the last version in its line and ppl still use it at 50.</DIV>