Templar's Damage output

[TheCyn]

<DIV>i know a lot of people moan that templars can't do a lot of damage, however with the right spells i don't think thats true.#</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am level 22 ad my usual damage gets up to about a 100, and thats with only app3, with some luck and a good group i can get 300 or so, i think even wizzez can appreciate that.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>btw 300 is not that uncommon for me, as long as the tank keeps the aggro and i have spare mana to waste <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>for those who struggle to beleive: <A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer_achievements.vm?characterId=167259107" target=_blank>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer_achievements.vm?characterId=167259107</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>whoever wants to show off their melee or magic damage plz feel free, and plz state your melee weapon, as i am looking for one <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Bath]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TheCynic wrote:<BR> <DIV>i know a lot of people moan that templars can't do a lot of damage, however with the right spells i don't think thats true.#</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am level 22 ad my usual damage gets up to about a 100, and thats with only app3, with some luck and a good group i can get 300 or so, i think even wizzez can appreciate that.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>btw 300 is not that uncommon for me, as long as the tank keeps the aggro and i have spare mana to waste <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>for those who struggle to beleive: <A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer_achievements.vm?characterId=167259107" target=_blank>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer_achievements.vm?characterId=167259107</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>whoever wants to show off their melee or magic damage plz feel free, and plz state your melee weapon, as i am looking for one <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <P><BR> <HR> </P> <P> </P></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>What crack rock are you smoking?  How in the hell are you getting over 100 DPS if you are getting over 100 DPS.  Or are you saying that you can hit a mob for 100 damage.  If you are only hitting for an average of 100 points of damage your DPS is more like 20 to 30, which is just so so.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think the point people make about the Templar is that in a group you role is to heal the MT.  If you are using your Power for attacking you are not performing your role.  If the group is ok with this this than go ahead and nuke away.  Everyone has their own stlye of play and one is not always better than the other.  Although, most groups get a little upset at a nuking healer when they have to wait for your power to regen before they can take on the next mob.  For solo, I think you'll find that your 20 to 30 DPS is much harder to work with, but on the flip side we have like 2000 more hp than most groups because of our heals.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[SenorPhrog]

<DIV>Didn't we just have like a 3 page thread on Melee Templars?  This probably goes along with it.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Radar-X on <span class=date_text>02-03-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:39 AM</span>

[TheCyn]

<DIV>firstly, im not really talking about melee, secondly i don't nuke often, in fact i don't usually fight at all, im merely pointing out the possibility <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and yes i don't do 100DPS i would sure like to... im just saying that some wizzez spells don't do as much dmaage as i can, nad in a simple test i won't be much far behind them in DPS </DIV>

[AzraelAzgard]

<DIV>You may not be that far behind with a spell on an HO atm, remember the HO additional nuke you get has its damage based on how much hp the mob has. But you will soon see wizards pull away from you.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And well tbh we all know we can nuke, we arent blind to the spells on our hotbar and dont need to be told that we can nuke.</DIV>

[ken]

<DIV>I use my Combative Faith spell as it does about 560 damage for 100 mana.  I happened to be able to pick it up in master I however hence the nice numbers.  I think our focus should be on debuffing/healing but as long as the debuffing/healing is going good and your staying well ahead of everyone else in terms of mana, then you may as well blast away with whatever spell.  Or if there is ever a healer MOB, then I alway cast on him to help kill quicker.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I compared my CF spell to one of my monster mastery spells and I noticed that I did about 120 damage for 60 or so mana (sorry forgot exact numbers).  Basically CF did about 5.6 damage per mana point versus the other spell of 2 damage per mana point.  I don't use the mastery spells anymore.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[anterys]

<DIV>Why do we continue to talk about melee and DPS in a Templar forum.  Why are people so averse to accepting and excelling in their role.  You had better forget about DPS as in the end-game it will only get you killed (and probably your entire group).  Get in the habit now of honing your healer skills.</DIV>

[Cassusdy]

<DIV>DPSing and meleeing will not get you killed unless your totally incompetant. How many newbie healers are we going to get on this forum who think that meleeing or DPSing will get you killed?  Im a lvl 47 Templar and ALWAYS melee and DPS only when I have extra mana or an HO calls for it.  In fact at one point, it was my DPS that completed an HO that got me ranked as sixth highest Magical hit on the server. Meleeing is not always prudent and DPSing is rarely needed, but if you know how to melee correctly (stand behind the mobs you ding dong) , then you are never in danger. And if your tank isn't a lazy tabbing idiot, then you will never break mezz and never get aggro....ever.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You people need to learn how o play your healers.</DIV>

[Cassusdy]

<DIV>Wont let me edit last post , lol...meant to say lvl 43 templar not lvl 47.</DIV>

[TheCyn]

<DIV>what is it with you lot and groups? how the hell do u solo if u dont nuke and melee? i bet thats fun... and the reason why i started this is mostly to concentrate on damage for soloing, im not saying that i nuke in groups, in fact in big enough groups i stay out of the fight at all, it gets too laggy with me the heat of the battle, and i dont make that much diference but for small groups nad soloing i think our damage is pretty important.</DIV>

[ken]

<DIV>I don't know about the rest of you but when doing so many of the quests I wind up killing a heck of a lot of grey mobs.  We where in a full group the other day with me and another healer.  He just sat there most of the time because we where killing lots of greens.  One guy was running a damage analyzer and I made it to third place a bunch of times during the battles.  Quite frankly if someone had suggested we boot the other healer from our group and replace him with someone doing damage I would have seconded the motion.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There are always going to be times when you can do damage...and probably times when you shouldn't.  Its a judgement call for each individual to make.  But when a full group is burning through green mobs and the healer still doesn't think they should be fighting, then personally I think the healer is wasting the rest of the groups time. </DIV>

[Xaax]

<DIV>Anyone know a good parcer? Would be nice to see just where I am at on dps. Be nice if it wa above a 15 :p</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Its a judgement call for each individual to make.  But when a full group is burning through green mobs and the healer still doesn't think they should be fighting, then personally I think the healer is wasting the rest of the groups time. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I totally agree <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Bath]

<DIV>EQCompanion seems to be a very solid parser.  Of course you can't believe any of the numbers from any of the parsers.  They all have issues with casters in groups.  If you are solo the work great, but in groups the DPS is never correct for casters.</DIV>

[anterys]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cassusdyrr wrote:<BR> <DIV>DPSing and meleeing will not get you killed unless your totally incompetant. How many newbie healers are we going to get on this forum who think that meleeing or DPSing will get you killed?  Im a lvl 47 Templar and ALWAYS melee and DPS only when I have extra mana or an HO calls for it.  In fact at one point, it was my DPS that completed an HO that got me ranked as sixth highest Magical hit on the server. Meleeing is not always prudent and DPSing is rarely needed, but if you know how to melee correctly (stand behind the mobs you ding dong) , then you are never in danger. And if your tank isn't a lazy tabbing idiot, then you will never break mezz and never get aggro....ever.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You people need to learn how o play your healers.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I don't see a reason why so many healers are so concerned with melee.  There ARE too many inexperienced healers out there that are not good because they are more concerned with DPS than healing.  DPS'ing will get you killed, but not in the way that you interpreted my statement.  Focusing on DPS will remove focus from your primary job.  It would suck if you were the only healer and your love of DPS caused your MT to die and subsequently caused a wipe.<BR></P>

[Xaax]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> anterys wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cassusdyrr wrote:<BR> <DIV>DPSing and meleeing will not get you killed unless your totally incompetant. How many newbie healers are we going to get on this forum who think that meleeing or DPSing will get you killed?  Im a lvl 47 Templar and ALWAYS melee and DPS only when I have extra mana or an HO calls for it.  In fact at one point, it was my DPS that completed an HO that got me ranked as sixth highest Magical hit on the server. Meleeing is not always prudent and DPSing is rarely needed, but if you know how to melee correctly (stand behind the mobs you ding dong) , then you are never in danger. And if your tank isn't a lazy tabbing idiot, then you will never break mezz and never get aggro....ever.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You people need to learn how o play your healers.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I don't see a reason why so many healers are so concerned with melee.  There ARE too many inexperienced healers out there that are not good because they are more concerned with DPS than healing.  DPS'ing will get you killed, but not in the way that you interpreted my statement.  Focusing on DPS will remove focus from your primary job.  It would suck if you were the only healer and your love of DPS caused your MT to die and subsequently caused a wipe.<BR></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN><FONT color=#cccccc> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#cccccc>II dont think anyone is "Focusing on DPS". I think alot of Templar just do not like being told to sit there and do nothing when you have a full power bar and nothing to heal. I personally do not like anyone out right stating, “ No Templar shouldnt ever do..” or “ All Templar should always do..” It is all a judgment call depending on what you are fighting, what your role is and how the group is doing.</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#cccccc>Last night I was in RE, I was the second healer and our Wizzy was running a parcer and posting the states in /gsay. In 70% of the fights both healers had a 0 damage done, 0 damage taken and 0 DPS. In about 30% of the fights the lead healer had 0,0,0 and I served up about 550 - 700 damage on average with a HUGE 1-9 DPS (think 9 was the highest and I burned through  my power but it was usually 1 dps)</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#cccccc>No one died in our group, we all had fun and I made fun of the Necro that I out damaged his pet (although no where even close to touching the about 2k or so damage he did).</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#cccccc>I for one would have to delete my Templar if the only thing I ever did was toss a reactive and stand there watching the pretty lights with a full power bar. Does it matter that I only did 1 dps, no. Did I anyone complain that I added 1 dps, no. Did anyone die, no. did I have some fun, Yes and that is what counts.<BR></FONT></SPAN></P> <P></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#cccccc size=3></FONT></P></FONT><p>Message Edited by Xaax on <span class=date_text>02-07-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:26 AM</span>

[anterys]

<DIV>Xaax, I agree with you.  There are a lot of DPS posts in this thread though and not enough posts on more productive topics (e.g., tactics).  If you're full power all the time, I would say that you could probably move to tougher mobs or nuke.</DIV>

[Iy]

<DIV>I don't know too much about dps being a templar, but since I see alot of inquiry on the subject I will share what information I have.  My husband has one of those dps counting programs (he's a monk) and ofcourse being a healer I almost always turn up with a big fat 0 when not meleeing or advancing HO's.  However when fighting green mobs who aggro'd walking through Nek one evening I had no use for my heals since my husband wasn't taking any damage so I when full out dps.  The grp consisted of a 33 monk, level 30 Illusionist, and myself level 29 Templar at the time.    My average dps on each encounter of green mobs...I don't remember if they had any arrows or not...was between 20 and 26.  Three out of Four fights that the program was running I did more dps than the Illusionist.  This was just with my nukes, I didn't melee and no HO's were completed, but I also didn't have to heal once and of course used Disgrace on each mob.  Don't know if this information has any use to anyone, but there it is.</DIV>

[GoodCitizenDan]

<DIV><A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer_achievements.vm?characterId=164321114" target=_blank>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer_achievements.vm?characterId=164321114</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>554!  Woohoo!</DIV> <DIV>level 27 templar with the 208th highest hit on the server!</DIV> <DIV>(was like 197 yesterday, guess I'm slipping now....)</DIV>

[Zcore24]

I have found a good parser from combatstats.com.I just downloaded last night. I was just curious as to what I was doing solo. I don't care about damage output in groups, my job in that situation is to keep group members alive.Anyway, I was soloing skellies near the RoV entrance. On avg I was in the 28-33DPS range. I would go low as 22DPS (lots of fizzles, interrupts) to as high as 60DPS (all spells landed first shot).And just for fun, I had it running when I (27 Level Templar) grouped with a guildmate (another healer, Level 26 Warden) and we were both avg. about same DPS, 25-30DPS. We were fighting green ^^ and the occasional blue ^^ con giants in TS. I was tanking of course, hehe.

[Director]

<DIV>Shiv hit for 637 magic and 63 melee true story</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>its all in the order you cast your spells  and decide to hit the mob</DIV>

[Cheifta]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> kenih wrote: <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I compared my CF spell to one of my monster mastery spells and I noticed that I did about 120 damage for 60 or so mana (sorry forgot exact numbers).  Basically CF did about 5.6 damage per mana point versus the other spell of 2 damage per mana point.  I don't use the mastery spells anymore.</DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>One thing to take into consideration is that the Priest Mastery Smites are a DEBUFF with a minor damage component.<BR>