Do not buy Faith Respect

[cadrach]

<DIV>Gather one and all and listen to my plea!  Stop buying Faith Respect and maybe, just maybe, the gods will listen and give us a better "Fun Spell"!  Do you really <STRONG>need</STRONG> to spend your hard earned silver just to make someone bow.  We of Qeynos do not I am certain.  I just go up to people and ask them to bow and they do it so why should I pay for it.  My name is Kilratha Merik and I am a 23rd year Templar in the world of Antonia Bale.  If you really want the spell seek me out and give me the money and I will be more than happy to follow you around bowing to your hearts content.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My dream is to one day have a "Fun Spell" that is at least as fun as the other classes. (except the Palidans or they might be upset...do not want to upset a paladin)   Why not flaming eyes!  or a donkey!  I heard of a healer once that rode a donkey and he is quite popular I must say.....what was that name....I forget.  :mantongue:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kilratha</DIV>

[cadrach]

<DIV>Just got a brainstorm.  <--no wisecracks)  Instead of changing it, make it so we are not limited to who bows (except other Templars)  Make it so anyone we pass by we can make bow!  Now this might be fun!  Limitations on something so inocuous as this is silly.   Oh and dont give me the whole grief idea I know your thinking it:manmad:  It lasts all of 2 seconds it is nothing like our odesy spell which for some reason we can cast on anyone we like.  (Now this is a grief they should look at)</DIV>

[Auria]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> cadrach wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My dream is to one day have a "Fun Spell" that is at least as fun as the other classes. </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Can you show me the official GM/dev posting where they call them fun spells? (Hint, you wont find it.) Remember, misquoting a GM/dev is a banable offense. The spells aren't meant to be fun, or add to anything other than to make each class fit the role the storyline has for them.</P> <P>We aren't the only ones with a lame spell. Talk to mystics, they get to turn into a rabid Bambi.</P> <P>I, for one, don't think that boycotting Faith Respect would do any good, or that it should. (What're French fries still called? Oh yea, French fries.)</P> <P> </P>

[Auria]

<DIV>         I would like to thank the one-star ninja for being so completey irrational. I for one feel that a well-thought reply is much better then a one-star (but enjoy the immature pleasure you get of it). All I tried to remind everyone of was that we aren't the only ones out there, and it's selfish and naive to think that our (mislabeled) "fun" spell is anything important to anyone.</DIV> <DIV>         If there is a GM/dev post that calls them fun spells, then so be it, I'm wrong, forgive me. But I highly doubt there is, as this isn't the purpose of this type of spell in the game. If there isn't, then the trolling was half-cocked and merely a "I don't like your <EM>opinion</EM>".</DIV> <DIV>         Also, a quick search would show there are quite a few threads on this subject (one right below this one on the list as I'm posting), it's nothing new, unique or inventive to complain about. If you personally don't like it, don't use it, but as others have shown on this board, they do use/like it, so don't assume you speak for the masses, offering some call-to-arms that wont change anything.</DIV> <DIV>         Assume for one moment that we did miraculously get Faith Respect changed. What would every other class out there do? They would go to their boards and complain about things we find unfair <EM>already</EM>. It would become a cycle of whining and nerfing that is certain to leave everyone back where a few were before, unhappy. </DIV> <DIV>         Anyway, there are too many other things in this game that need revamping or fixing to worry about Faith Respect, my friend(s). Supplicant's Prayer, loot tables in numerous zones, bugged spells for many classes, character traits.</DIV> <DIV>         Here's my call-to-arms for this board, lets all respect each others opinions more. I didn't one-star anyone for disliking Faith Respect, I just ask people to think. :smileywink:</DIV>

[cadrach]

<DIV>"Can you show me the official GM/dev posting where they call them fun spells? (Hint, you wont find it.) Remember, misquoting a GM/dev is a banable offense. The spells aren't meant to be fun, or add to anything other than to make each class fit the role the storyline has for them."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Well i have never said that the devs or anyone else besides myself has called it a fun spell so I have no idea why you are taking an attituede with it and saying I "Could be banned for it".  I roleplayed it a little bit to make it not seem like a whine because really I am not.  (Oh and I would love to turn into a rabid bambi that is so cool!)  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I also want to point out I had nothing to do with your one star I belive you think it was me and it is not.  The only reason I will not, and think no one else should, buy the spell is ours is SOOOO lame.  Turn me into a newt for all i care just let me do something that is not crap.  You can not cast this on anyone that is not in your group or higher level than you.  At least let me do that is all I said in the second post.  So are we not the only ones that got gimped sure others may not have a horse or some such nonsense but at least theirs are better than bowing.  (Like I said I can save my money and just ask them to it is much more polite)<-- of course if I could do it to everyone I would not be so polite:robotvery-happy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kilratha /Cadrach</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by cadrach on <span class=date_text>01-05-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:51 PM</span>

[Auria]

<DIV>Sorry for not being clear Cadrach, I honestly did not think it was you who 1-starred, had I suspected that I would've PM'd you directly rather than risk a flame-war.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for the banning bit, that was just a bit of tongue-in-cheek for myself (having read numerous misquotes get slammed), I never meant you could be banned for what you did say, I just didn't want any GM/dev misquoting. (You know the: well the stupid devs said - "random_quote_01" -that doesn't exist.)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I agree that Faith Respect isn't great, I just don't think it's as bad as you say. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>A few changes I would like to see / have thought of / heard and agreed with: </DIV> <DIV>           -Let it be cast on NPCs out of combat, such as citizens walking around the street. (Who better to remind you are a holy templar than a commoner?)</DIV> <DIV>           -Let it effect PCs of equal level at least.</DIV> <DIV>           -Make it AoE out of encounter, so everyone in a radius bows. Not useable when locked in combat of course.</DIV> <DIV>           -At a minimum, don't limit it to group only. Really, inviting a random L8 to your group to make them bow is lame, it should be allowed anytime. :smileyvery-happy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Again, sorry for any misunderstanding, tonight was not my lucky night with post-clarity it seems.           </DIV>

[Auria]

<DIV>Someone really hates me in this thread, despite my constructive last post (at a minimum).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1-stars all the way down.</DIV>

[GoodCitizenDan]

<DIV>I still love you Auria!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>:smileyhappy::smileywink:</DIV>

[Supernova17]

Here's SOE's formula for change.If "Probelm" < "Profit" Then Do "Nothing"If "Problem" > "Profit" Then Do "Patch"Hehe, jk. I would like FR to be more usable than it currently is. Maybe make it so everyone in the group but another Templar bows, NPC's and maybe Non-Grouped players say 10 levels lower or something of the sort?Just yesterday, I was in TS Steppes when I ran across a Level 50 Templar. I walked over and gave them a bow and the person waved back. I see that is the way of giving respect from one Templar to another, not having to use FR.

[Ond]

<blockquote><hr>cadrach wrote:Why not flaming eyes! <b>or a donkey!</b> I heard of a healer once that rode a donkey and he is quite popular I must say.....what was that name....I forget. :mantongue:<hr></blockquote>Oh, I'd love that sooooo much <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><p>Message Edited by Ondal on <span class=date_text>01-07-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:55 AM</span>

[cadrach]

I am telling you I think a donkey would rule!  HAHA<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Auria wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>A few changes I would like to see / have thought of / heard and agreed with: </DIV> <DIV>           -Let it be cast on NPCs out of combat, such as citizens walking around the street. (Who better to remind you are a holy templar than a commoner?)</DIV> <DIV>           -Let it effect PCs of equal level at least.</DIV> <DIV>           -Make it AoE out of encounter, so everyone in a radius bows. Not useable when locked in combat of course.</DIV> <DIV>           -At a minimum, don't limit it to group only. Really, inviting a random L8 to your group to make them bow is lame, it should be allowed anytime. :smileyvery-happy:        </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Exactly! when I heard I could not "really"cast it on just anyone I thought..."Now how is this right"   Really it would be a halfway decent spell if it did even a couple of your ideas.  Especially the AoE and group only thing.  No one elses spell is limited why is ours.  </P> <P>Now everyone back to their donkies!<BR></P> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV></FONT>

[snai]

<DIV>This spell makes me want to create a new Templar and name him Rodney Dangerfield, that way in remberance of him we can now have people show him respect. :smileywink:</DIV>

[Fugaci]

<DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Here is where the devs refere to them as nothing more then flavor and fun, though I think their prefered word is flavor.  <FONT size=2></P> <P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=spellart&message.id=9611&highlight=paladin#M9611" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=spellart&message.id=9611&highlight=paladin#M9611</A></P></FONT> <P>Also this spell won't ever get fixed. Using the logic that moorgard made, making group members bow that are lower level then us is suppose to be flavorful and fun, so if they change it for us then they will likely have to changes  for everyone.  Everyone but paladins that is <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> <HR> Moorgard wrote:<BR></P> <DIV>We explained up front that these spells were meant for nothing more than flavor and fun. Since fun is an entirely subjective term, it's difficult to please everyone.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It was not intended that the horse spell that paladins and shadowknights receive would have a speed buff, but due to an error on our part it does. It's a slight speed increase compared to other mounts, but it exists nonetheless. Our options at this point are:</DIV> <UL> <LI>Nerf the speed buff on the flavor horses so they provide no actual benefit.</LI> <LI>Spend development time trying to think up marginally useful spells for all subclasses. Then come up with another round of these abilities when people complain that a different class has one that is somewhat more useful than their own.</LI> <LI>Do nothing.</LI></UL> <P>We have chosen the third option at this time. The effect of the horses is not such that it gives knights a game-imbalancing advantage, and we see no benefit in taking a minor perk away from a couple classes just to satisfy someone else.</P> <P>So yes, knights get a flavor spell that is actually useful, and other subclasses don't. The flavor spells are a relatively minor element of gameplay, and we don't plan to modify them at this time.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV>

[Auria]

<DIV>I stand corrected. Thanks Fugacity.</DIV>