Adept 3 Supplicants Prayer & BoV

[Kyliegi]

<DIV><FONT color=#ccccff>For those who are wondering - Supplicants Prayer finally does get better than Blessing of Vitae.  I have BoV Adept 3 that I believe is capped at 134hp/tick.  At level38 my Supplicants Prayer App3 was healing for 137hp/tick.  It wasn't efficient to use it over BoV as the power consumed on BoV is slightly less.  However I did upgrade to Supplicants Prayer Adept 3 and it is healing for 171hp/tick now at level39.  Here's to hoping they stack in the future.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ccccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ccccff><STRONG>Alexius Legend</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ccccff><STRONG>39 Templar, Antonia Bayle</STRONG></FONT></DIV>

[SenorPhrog]

<DIV>I read that "class and subclass viate lines should stack correctly" in the patch notes.  Won't that apply to BOV and Supplicants when they finally roll that patch out?</DIV>

[Donte]

<DIV>good to know, thanks for the info.  Now gimmie some Jasper!     heheh</DIV>

[Gobbwin]

<DIV>That's my understanding as well Radar.  Though like you said, it hasn't happened, its currently on the test server, but won't be inserted into the live servers until january.  Moorguard posted as much yesterday.</DIV>

[Gwynet]

<DIV>I'm still hoping they will change SP first instead of naking them stack really... The adept 3 of SP is worth it at 37+, sure, but it only starts being better than the adept 3 of BoV at level 30, which is pretty much useless. If anything, the adept 3 of an upgrade should be used over the previous one one level after you get it... not 4.</DIV>

[DeythCombi]

<DIV>Can you provide power costs so we can compare efficiency?</DIV>

[Arilyn]

<DIV>At level 35, BoV costs 62 power and heals for 134 per tick. SP costs 107 power and heals for 169 per tick. Please note that SP is not capped at my level yet.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[DeythCombi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Arilynne wrote:<BR> <DIV>At level 35, BoV costs 62 power and heals for 134 per tick. SP costs 107 power and heals for 169 per tick. Please note that SP is not capped at my level yet.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Ok so at your level BoV is around 40% more efficient than SP.

[TROri]

At 29 the power are 62 (BoV) and 83 (SP) for the two spells (adept 3 for both) if memory serves correct. Though those may not be exact numbers, I know they are close.Healing is at 134ish + 140(final burst for BoV) and 137ish + 200(final burst for SP + AC buff. Definitely worth upgrading to adept 3 even if the heal per power is slightly less on SP. I can only see the ratio's getting better.Comparing adept 3 BoV vs. apprentice 3 SP is not a comparisson. Incidentally, I used to think that SP was broken too, but now I know better.Comparison: gee, the 2006 Honda costs more than the 1992 Porsche and the Porsche goes faster! This is broken.Now, all I need is for the Intercession adept 3 to be fixed and I'll be in hog heaven until 40.

[Ender]

Your civic is slow. Back to topic, definitely upgrade to Adept 3 SP.

[DeythCombi]

<DIV>I'm surprised more 50's haven't begun complaining about the 50th level reactive.  Mastery is 300 i.e. level 60.  Stupidest spell/skill system ever.</DIV>

[Auria]

<DIV>Deyth, I'm not suprised people complain about the L50 reactive. <EM>It owns, period.</EM></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>      The fact I can't master it until L60... well yes, too bad the game's been out 2 months and there's no expansions yet. Woe-is-me that I haven't slammed a level cap that will never increase like other MMOs. Can't we be positive for once? Good lord, if you haven't heard me complain about it sucking yet, there probably isn't much to complain about. (Read Greater Intercession Depression, there's a complaint.)</DIV> <DIV>      Having items/spells that can't be mastered until higher-than-cap means the devs were thinking that the level cap is going to be raised in the future, please don't be so short sighted when evaluating things.</DIV>

[DeythCombi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Auria wrote:<BR> <DIV>Deyth, I'm not suprised people complain about the L50 reactive. <EM>It owns, period.</EM></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>      The fact I can't master it until L60... well yes, too bad the game's been out 2 months and there's no expansions yet. Woe-is-me that I haven't slammed a level cap that will never increase like other MMOs. Can't we be positive for once? Good lord, if you haven't heard me complain about it sucking yet, there probably isn't much to complain about. (Read Greater Intercession Depression, there's a complaint.)</DIV> <DIV>      Having items/spells that can't be mastered until higher-than-cap means the devs were thinking that the level cap is going to be raised in the future, please don't be so short sighted when evaluating things.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>I know they plan to raise the cap but if the spells stay true to form then quite a few nearing and at 50 would be not worth using until the next expansion which is stupid.  What's the heal:power ratio on it?</FONT></DIV>

[Gwynet]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TROrion wrote:<BR><BR>Comparing adept 3 BoV vs. apprentice 3 SP is not a comparisson. Incidentally, I used to think that SP was broken too, but now I know better.<BR><BR>Comparison: gee, the 2006 Honda costs more than the 1992 Porsche and the Porsche goes faster! This is broken.<BR><BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Um, who compared the adept 3 with the app3?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The reason I am convinced that SP is broken is because, for all spells, the adept 3 version will be better than the former version of the spell (also adept 3) as soon as you get it, or one level later. SP is the only one that takes 3+ levels to be better than the former version (healing power and efficiency), even with both at adept 3.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Then, the inquisitor version, which also has an AC debuff, also heals for 30+ more. So the fact that our heal has an AC buff doesn't even make up for the lower healing power in comparison, as the inquisitor spell also gets an AC proc.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If it's not broken, at least it is totally unbalanced. And we have to fight for balance, too, instead of making do with some less efficient spell than the other cleric class. Sure, SP improves as you level, but it's still lower than it should be for balance.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It seems the SP upgrade might have the same issue as well. Oh well.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Gwynet]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DeythCombine wrote:<BR> <DIV>I'm surprised more 50's haven't begun complaining about the 50th level reactive.  Mastery is 300 i.e. level 60.  Stupidest spell/skill system ever.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>I got to agree with this, I hate the spell/skill system. It already bothered me at level 20 so I don't think that expansions will make any difference...</DIV>

[Jolcon Zand]

<DIV>BTW, How much are you guys paying for your Adept 3? I saw it on broker for 37g and that is WAY more than I want to pay for it.</DIV>

[Bewts]

Looks about right for Permafrost...

[MilkToa]

<DIV>On Permafrost I paid 10g for Combat Healing, 15g for BoV and 25g for SP.</DIV>

[Gwynet]

<DIV>Last I saw the rares were at 25g or so on Guk, and crafters charged 5 gold for the combine. This is way more that I would be willing to spend to be honest.... I'd rather wait for the upgrade, which is way better than SP.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Gwynet on <span class=date_text>01-04-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:20 PM</span>

[da5idblacksun]

Glad to hear its on the test server. We'll see if it works today after the patch goes live.