which adept 3?

[Zapdafi]

<DIV>I am a 24th lev templar with app3 for everything except an adept1 in combat healing. I found a piece of palladium which ive been told is a rare ink component for making adept3 spells.   so which spell should i get turned into adept3, or should i wait for a spell im about to receive in a few levels?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>some spells i am using just turned grey but from all the posts ive read on the subject, it appears as if these grey app3 spells are better or more efficient  than the new ones I have received so am sticking with them.</DIV>

[Auria]

<DIV>Palladium is used to make ink for tier3, i.e. L20-29 adept3s. The great thing about the spell rank system is it forces you to decide in situations like this, what you play style really is. Some people swear by their reactive heals, whereas myself would much prefer a superior direct heal. It really depends on how you personally like to play. I would recommend not upgrading a spell you have an Adept1 for, unless all other reasonable choices are Adept'd as well. My vote would be Arch Healing, based on how I play - and the fact I still use that spell at level 40+, whether by bug or whatever (Read post: Heads up on L40+ Spells if you want to know why :smileytongue: ). Intercession would be a solid choice as well, as it's extremely powerful, but a lot of Templars don't use it, if you don't, an Adept3 there does you no good. Congrats on the Palladium however, I saw one on the broker for 30gp on the broker last week, obviously overpriced, but /shrug.</DIV>

[TROri]

Auria hit it on the head. If I had the paladium I would sell it or get my group reactive upgraded but that's only because the 26th reactive is...worthless?Your call though.

[EQSundev]

<DIV>I believe arch healing is tier 2</DIV>

[Donte]

<DIV>Intercession.</DIV>

[Auria]

<DIV>Sorry, meant Restoration. Good call.</DIV>

[Kikmaid]

<DIV>I have a rough jasper that I mined, and was thinking getting Adept 3 of Supplicant's Prayer may be a solid choice, because at least then it would improve on its short-comings drastically.</DIV> <DIV><BR>I did just get Intercession last night though, and that's tempting but right after I got it I fluked upon an Adept 1 Intercession on the broker selling for only 1 gold, which I snapped up hang the 20 silver broker fee, I wasn't taking any chances on missing that one.  I think it ticked for 163 when I first got it, not sure what Adept 1 will be, but it's bound to rule the world <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Although Adept 3 would be even nicer still, I'm thinking that Adept 1 -> Adept 3 may not be as worthwhile as upgrading my App 3 SP to Adept 3.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As I do use BoV/SP combination very often I tend to think I'd possibly get more benefit out of SP adept 3, and would hope that if I at least have it at adept3 it may even become good enough to replace BoV as my main heal some day...</DIV><p>Message Edited by Kikmaidog on <span class=date_text>12-21-2004</span> <span class=time_text>02:59 PM</span>

[Auria]

<DIV>Congrats!</DIV>

[ken]

<DIV>A bunch of posts say that Supplicant's prayer has some problems so that's something to keep in mind.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Donte]

<DIV>a couple things to consider;</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Supp= halfway broken spell to start with.  underpowed. So adept III would mearly make it actually useful</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Inter= group reactive that can also raise AC upon being hit.  Spell already works well.  In adept III would be incredible.  Power cost is decent for a group spell.  Great for tough ^^'s Which are the only ones that have a chane of killing your tank anyway. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Sunth]

<DIV>So Restoration or Supplicant's Prayer are the main two for a concensus?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>How long do you continue to use each one of those? Into the 40s? That is fantastic. I'm a guardian but I'm thinking of having my pallidium made into a spell for my main cleric and I asked him what he wanted but I wanted to find out what was used long into the future. </DIV>

[Deej]

Hi all,I recently bought adept3 for BoV guessing that it would add at least 15% improvement in heals over my app3 version. Boy was I wrong. As far as I can detect going from app3 to adept3 made absolutely no difference. At level 26 BoV still heals for what looks like 134 per hit.I spoke with a higher level templar in my guild and he noted that he had purchase Redoubt adept3 and it made only like a 10hp difference. He stated that as far as he knew the adept3's really only made the spells cheaper to cast powerwise and maybe a little faster casting time. Neither of which I noticed changing. It still takes 2seconds to cast for me.I really hope the adept3s are broken cause that was one hella waste of 7gp.

[rhodr]

<DIV>I don't think it's a waste.  I upgraded all my tier 2 spells to Adept 3s and the combination of the extra hp, extra damage from DDs, and the more powerful heals makes you substantially more powerful.  You can solo and group better.  you're basically better than any other cleric of your level.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If SONY made the adept 3 upgrades any more powerful than they are now, then it would be too much.  A year from now people will be using Adept 3 spells to twink their characters anyway, but if they were stronger then it would be too easy to use them to twink alts.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Rhodric</DIV> <DIV>22 Templar</DIV> <DIV>28 Armorer</DIV> <DIV>Innothule</DIV>

[Deej]

Rhodric,..that's my whole point. Read the post. I would be happy if I got a 15% increase to healing power moving from app3 to adept3, but I saw no difference in heals AT ALL. Tell me how that is not a waste??I upgraded Arch heal from app3 to adept1 and my heals went from ~379 to ~425 at lvl27. Now that's an increase worth having.

[Donte]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Deejor wrote:<BR>Rhodric,..that's my whole point. Read the post. I would be happy if I got a 15% increase to healing power moving from app3 to adept3, but I saw no difference in heals AT ALL. Tell me how that is not a waste??<BR><BR>I upgraded Arch heal from app3 to adept1 and my heals went from ~379 to ~425 at lvl27. Now that's an increase worth having.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>My APP III BOV was doing 102 per tick.  upgraded to adept III at level 24 and now does 134 per tick.  Something seems odd.  Maybe 134 is a hard cap?  But that doesnt seem correct since BOV was what?  a level 12 spell. </P> <P> </P>

[ken]

<DIV>I had the same experience as Donte (102 to 134 with adept 3).  It would be a bummer if there was a hard cap.  I'm guessing/hoping that more likely Deejor didn't notice correctly the before amount.</DIV>

[Deej]

What level did you upgrade at Kenih? I am pretty good about watching that stuff because I am big on numbers/efficiency but I suppose it's possible I made a mistake. I really dont think so though. I was pretty used to seeing that number. Anyone else healing for that amount (134) with an app3?Actually now that I think about it, I know there was no change. I got the spell from a guildy and made sure to observe the heals from BoV both before and after I scribed to compare exactly what the improvement was. No detectable change. I had spent almost all my money on the thing, you can bet I was looking forward to it. So in that case I suppose its possible that after 14-15 levels the spell is reaching the top end of its usefulness and perhaps after it turns grey then nothing will change it? It's green to me now at lvl27 so if you follow that logic then it really should be improving still. Maybe they top out when they turn green? Is that the way weapons work for melee classes? Their effectiveness increases as you levels but levels eventually make weaps obsolete?<p>Message Edited by Deejor on <span class=date_text>12-23-2004</span> <span class=time_text>11:19 AM</span>

[Sunth]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Deejor wrote:<BR>What level did you upgrade at Kenih? I am pretty good about watching that stuff because I am big on numbers/efficiency but I suppose it's possible I made a mistake. I really dont think so though. I was pretty used to seeing that number. <BR><BR>Anyone else healing for that amount (134) with an app3?<BR><BR>Actually now that I think about it, I know there was no change. I got the spell from a guildy and made sure to observe the heals from BoV both before and after I scribed to compare exactly what the improvement was. No detectable change. I had spent almost all my money on the thing, you can bet I was looking forward to it. <BR><BR>So in that case I suppose its possible that after 14-15 levels the spell is reaching the top end of its usefulness and perhaps after it turns grey then nothing will change it? It's green to me now at lvl27 so if you follow that logic then it really should be improving still. Maybe they top out when they turn green? Is that the way weapons work for melee classes? Their effectiveness increases as you levels but levels eventually make weaps obsolete? <P>Message Edited by Deejor on <SPAN class=date_text>12-23-2004</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:19 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> They top out when they turn white.

[keni]

Wow, thats a major bummer. You pay all the money to get adept III only to have it do the same thing as Apprentice I when the spell goes grey <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> That's great info to have as I was thinking about getting some of the lvl 1-9 spells in adept IIIs. I guess this means that you need to get adept IIIs pretty much as soon as you get the spell in order to maximize its use. It also means that Master I's are pretty much vendor stuff.

[Sunth]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> kenih2 wrote:<BR>Wow, thats a major bummer. You pay all the money to get adept III only to have it do the same thing as Apprentice I when the spell goes grey <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> That's great info to have as I was thinking about getting some of the lvl 1-9 spells in adept IIIs.I guess this means that you need to get adept IIIs pretty much as soon as you get the spell in order to maximize its use. It also means that Master I's are pretty much vendor stuff.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Adept 3s should still be better. Its like level 20 armor from the merchant vs level 20 armor made by a player. The player made armor is better and will perform better at all levels. But White is when you reach maximum potential for any particular piece of armor or weapon. So if a spell is orange or yellow you will probably see its damage or healing power increase until it becomes white, then it stays they same down through blue and green and gray. But if you upgrade that spell from App2 to App3 to Adept1 it should also increase it in some way.</DIV>

[ken]

<DIV>There seems to be some disagreement here.  Deejor says that going from App III to Adept III did nothing as his BoV was already maxed out.  I got Adept III when mine was orange so I immediately saw a big difference.   Does any high level player have BoV that is not Adept III and know what it heals for?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now back to the original discussion - I got Disgrace made yesterday in Adept III.  I will probably also do my heal when I get high enough level.  I would pick the heal first (yeah, its broken...but I'm hoping it will get fixed sometime).</DIV>

[Ogrelicio]

<DIV>I just purchased a adept3 of BoV and it healed for 134.  I'm not exactly jumping for joy.</DIV>

[Epon]

<DIV>Boy, when I went from APP 3 BoV to Adept 3 it made a world of difference at lv 20. It use to tick for about 70 or so, now ticks at 122. </DIV>