Why cant templars use tower shields?

[RPGam]

<DIV>I dont understand why a tempar can not use a tower shield or hell and shield besides a buckler. I guess im just to used to eq and D&D. I see all these nice shields with insane wisdom and im like [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]. Hell at least put in more bucklers i like my minds eye tablet but would like to have an option to us a buckler suited for my level.</DIV>

[snai]

<DIV>We dont get the big fancy sheilds because it would get in the way of our heavy armor! It only makes sense (to someone maybe) We can wear heavy armor, but we cant wield a shield because it would limit our use of hands in the healing process. =) /shrug who knows why, maybe its just something to add to the list of "another one of those things to deal with". </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I can use a knife to cut my steak when I eat, I may not be able to use it effectively in battle but I could sure take a stab at someone if I really had to. (But thats a whole other debate in itself. :smileyhappy: )</DIV>

[The Da]

<DIV>Perhaps it's the fact that we're not supposed to be able to replace that fighter classes as tanks. Sure we don't the hps they do but i was able to tank a giant at level 24 (with the help of 4 others the MT having LD'd) because i had all the QA and some adept reactives. With a a tower sheild we'd get even MORE AC and I don't think that would be so balanced (espeacially since the guardian class has such crappy taunts). We'd be able to agro easily, put on our reactives, have fair AC, defence and hps. Though i wouldn't think to say we'd make better tanks, i think we could easily tank yellos and oranges (as long as we had a goood group to help).</DIV> <DIV> I'd like to be able to weild a tower sheildd because I'd feel more secure and it'd look very cool, but i think we should get a round sheild at best. If we were able to wear tower sheilds that would take away from the tanks since they'd have onle less thing that makes them unique. What i would really like to see is MORE DROPS for the bucklers. I haven't found one drop yet, only round and tower. Lame.</DIV> <DIV>That's my 2 cents.</DIV>

[illum.]

The manly buckler, FEAR my buckler unholy vermin!Waah waah, at least make us withstand punishment better since most seem to agree our armor is just for looks currently.Something bigger would be appreciated and we would never replace a tank no matter what since we can't taunt or do damage.Being a good tank means taunting since nothing causes more mayhem than several casters running around when they get attacked.Pull them, pull them! No I can't but hey, BOW before me, raawr! =D

[Gwynet]

<DIV>I think you'll have more replies if you check the 3 other threads on the subject in the first 3 pages of the forum.</DIV>

[Daissen]

<DIV>     I didn't like this either, whenever you see a picture of a templar in a book or magazine he invariably has a white tower shield with a red cross on it. Who does Sony think they are taking away hundreds of years of tradition.</DIV>

[Grey_Gho]

Speaking of Bucklers, ever see that Square Buckler "Mariner's Buckler" from a Freeport Quest? That is a really nice looking Buckler...too bad it's the ONLY Square Buckler in the game apprently. Using the item search on eq2players all Buckler's currently found (looked in increments of 5 buckler skill) are the same type of round buckler you can find on the Isle of Refuge.

[spa]

<DIV>Please give Templars/Inquisiters their tower shields back, they really cant take a a big hit in EQ2, they are weak, low HP, low parry.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My lvl46 Inquisiter cant take too many hits, has 3300AC with self buffs and buckler, all armour and jewelry are appropriate to the level (white-con overall average). A tower shield giving 600AC+ will give me approximatly 4000AC - i need it. Either up our parry or give us tower shield, please please please, i beg and i plea. Its not making us any better at doing our jobs its just making us more durable.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Clerics dont get much fun stuff, unlike Shaman and Druid, so atleast give us our defence back to compensate.</DIV>

[Tamat]

<DIV>Tower shield or not they need more graphics for the freaking bucklers. My Level 3 bucker looked no different then my current level 35 buckler. So far I have only seen one Graphic... <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Big Da]

<DIV>The temlars are battle priests, it follows we should be able to take a fair amount of damage before we fall. I think our failing should be more in line with the fact we cant hold agro that well, dont do much melee damage and our spells can get interrupted in combat - So cant tank! I Chose the Templar in part because of the security implied by heavy armor. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just my thoughts ..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Teclis L27 Templar Najena</DIV>

[MadisonPark]

<DIV>Id say a round shield would probably be the most we'd beable to comfortably weild. Anything larger would be too cumbersome. Can't say that we wouldnt look striking carrying a kite shield though.</DIV>

[Teh_n0]

<DIV>You people can't be serious.  It aint gonna happen.  Ignore the name templar, Its a title only.  If you were true templars you would also be able to use swords and have combat style because the original templars were KNIGHTS, but you're a healer class not a front line tank.  You aint getting tower shields, just say no to drugs.</DIV>

[Auria]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Teh_n00b wrote:<BR> <DIV>You people can't be serious.  It aint gonna happen.  Ignore the name templar, Its a title only.  If you were true templars you would also be able to use swords and have combat style because the original templars were KNIGHTS, but you're a healer class not a front line tank.  You aint getting tower shields, just say no to drugs.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Pretty much true, the original "Templar" was more what a Paladin is. They just needed a title for Cleric_Subclass_01, and put Templar in.</P> <P>I wish there were more buckler options (mainly graphics, but plain options as well). Check this one out recommended to me by Otis on Blackburrow Server.</P> <P><U>pristine conditioned cedar buckler</U></P> <P>+8 int, +12 wis, +34hp, +34pow, Shield Factor 269, Skill Buckler (Req.200 Mastery 250), Slot:Secondary, Weight 2.0<BR></P>

[Big Da]

<DIV>Actually just for your Information the Original Templar were not all Knights, the organisation included  4 main types of member.</DIV> <UL> <LI>The K<I>nights - H</I>eavy cavalry <LI>The S<I>erjeants - L</I>ight cavalry</LI> <LI>The F<I>armers - Woot!</I></LI> <LI>C<EM>haplains - hmmmm</EM></LI></UL> <P><EM>So being that our characters are priests, which type would you put us in to?</EM></P> <P>P.S. Even the farmers had to fight and take the vow of the Crusader, maybe that is a subclass yet to come .... the Templar Famers!</P>

[Big Da]

<DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Big Dave on <span class=date_text>01-26-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:36 AM</span>

[Uilamv]

<DIV>More shields types and graphics pls~</DIV>

[Teh_n0]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Big Dave wrote:<BR> <DIV><EM>So being that our characters are priests, which type would you put us in to?</EM><BR> <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I would put you into the "none" type as you are a templar in title only and are under the priest class in an MMORPG video game where play balance is they key.  I also highly doubt that the priests in the templar orginization actually wore armor and saw combat and I KNOW they were not rezzing people from the dead and buffing HP's and AC. Get the Idea of large shields out of your head.  Period.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[Manopow]

<DIV>symbols have better stats then bucklers IMO.  You don't get any AC from symbols though; but symbols atleast look cool.</DIV>

[Big Da]

<DIV> <P><SPAN>Wow I think Teh_n00b needs a hug, your conversational skills astound the rest of us. If you don’t like a point probably best to put forward a reasonable argument.</SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>People put forward historical reference as a reason to justify possible changes in a class. I pointed out errors in the reference.</SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>I'd stop playing EQ for a while (seriously you have 4 characters!), have a beer or two and calm down :smileytongue:</SPAN></P></DIV>

[MadisonPark]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Manopow wrote:<BR> <DIV>symbols have better stats then bucklers IMO.  You don't get any AC from symbols though; but symbols atleast look cool.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> I cant say that ive seen every buckler or symbol in the game, but on my server, Ive only ever seen 1 symbol that matched a pristine conditioned teak buckler in stats, everything else couldnt compare. Ive never seen anything to beat the pristine conditioned cedar buckler at all.

[DrifterTigra]

<DIV>I think giving us ANY kind of sheild that is better then a Buckler would be nice. Even if it's not a Tower sheild and only a Round (Kite would be nice though). Not even if sony gave us the BEST AC in game, we would NEVER be able to tank. Why? Because we have no dmg, no hp, and no taunts. Giving us a better shield would not add balance problems imo, it would only allow us to last longer so we can keep everyone else alive.</DIV> <DIV>Just my thoughts.</DIV><p>Message Edited by DrifterTigra on <span class=date_text>01-28-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:26 AM</span>

[Manopow]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MadisonPark wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Manopow wrote:<BR> <DIV>symbols have better stats then bucklers IMO.  You don't get any AC from symbols though; but symbols atleast look cool.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> I cant say that ive seen every buckler or symbol in the game, but on my server, Ive only ever seen 1 symbol that matched a pristine conditioned teak buckler in stats, everything else couldnt compare. Ive never seen anything to beat the pristine conditioned cedar buckler at all.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I'm sorry guys, I did not mean symbol, I dont use a symbol.  I ment to say orbs.  I have a orb with sweet stats.. better then any buckler I have found for my lvl.<p>Message Edited by Manopow on <span class=date_text>01-29-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:58 AM</span>