Soloing as a Templar

[Malaki]

<DIV>Does soloing become impossible to a lvl 20+ templar.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>ATM i cant even solo whites, and even have trouble with Blues/Greens sometimes.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I picked templar cause they get to wear heavy armour, and found after purchaising a full suit of iron brigadine chainmail that it takes a few secs longer to die.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I dont expect to be killing yellows/oranges but FFS i cant even kill stuff lower than me without an increased risk of being killed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Malaki on <span class=date_text>12-14-2004</span> <span class=time_text>03:18 AM</span>

[LizzyB]

<DIV>I just got lvl 20 and seem to do OK.  I am struggling to get any adept spells.  All I do is cast Bestowal of Vitae, Redoubt, Courage, and 2 other buffs I can't remember the name of also make sure you have drunk and had food.  Chuck in a few admonish smite and radiant strikes (both app3) until I have one bar of power left.  I then just keep hitting and casting BOV if I need it.  I can do whites blues greens and green ^^.  I have almost a full set of heavy armour just missing gloves, boots and bracers.  It does take me an age and it's possible but I prefer to group with my guildies and do my healing thing :smileyvery-happy:</DIV>

[Ke]

<DIV>I have never had any trouble soloing stuff as a cleric/templar. I have regularly soloed even oranges throughout my career.</FONT></DIV> <DIV></FONT></DIV> <DIV>The important points for soloing:</FONT></DIV> <OL> <LI>Skills. If you dont solo much, then your defence skills will be poor. This will mean you take more hits and it will be harder to solo. work on killing easy stuff while getting your defence to max. Work on your disruption skill too - regularly cast nukes even in groups to keep it topped up. This will reduce resists.</FONT></LI> <LI>Armour. You will find it a lot easier with decent armour. I was beginning to feel a little squishy in the low 20s, but completing the armour quests fixed that tremendously.</FONT></LI> <LI>App 3/Adept 1 upgrades. These make a big difference. If you cant get Adept 1s within a level of when you get a new spell, then find a sage to make an app 3 for you. For some spells (like Bestowal of Vitae), just get an app 3 made up as soon as you get the spell.</FONT></LI> <LI>HOs. Use solo HOs all the time. In fact, dont even cast Admonishing Smite without either triggering an HO or completing a HO. </FONT></LI> <LI>Nukes. Most of your damage will come from nukes. Use Combatitive Faith between Admonishing smite casts.</FONT></LI> <LI>Debuffs. Pull with a strength debuff - the AOE one is ideal. Also cast rebuke - it increases your smite damage considerably.</FONT></LI> <LI>Buffs. Goes without saying I'm sure - but put Courage, Daring, Symbol of Transal and Redoubt on yourself.</FONT></LI></OL> <P>A typical fight with a yellow target for me now will go like this:</P> <OL> <LI>Pull with Sign of Weakness</LI> <LI>Cast Rebuke</LI> <LI>Start melee combat</LI> <LI>Hit HO trigger</LI> <LI>Admonishing Smite</LI> <LI>Combatitive Faith</LI> <LI>Admonishing Smite</LI> <LI>Hit HO trigger</LI> <LI>Admonishing Smite</LI> <LI>Check health - if getting below half then use BoV. Else, use Combatitive Faith if its regenned.</LI> <LI>Admonishing Smite</LI> <LI>Goto 8</LI></OL> <P>At the moment, it seems that I will pretty much kill most yellow solos after taking about 20% damage and using about 50% of my mana. The fight will usually take 30-40seconds. I rarely have to use a BoV for a yellow. For an orange, I'll prebuff with BoV and repeat the same sequence as above. Sometimes I nearly run out of mana on a tough orange.</P> <P>Green ^^s used to be killable a few levels back, but now I just run out of mana too fast to bother with them. I'm sure if I tickled them to death with my skullmasher hammer and reserved my mana for heals, I may be able to kill them - but the time taken is just way too long.</P><p>Message Edited by Kehi on <span class=date_text>12-14-2004</span> <span class=time_text>01:46 PM</span>

[Ogrelicio]

<DIV>At 22, I do ok with solo mobs.  I just work the combat wheel. I can still do the green ^^ mobs in The Down Below and Antonica, but they're rare to find as most of them are grey.  The strategy with them is one of patience.  Don't use the combat wheel - Keep meleeing and using BoV until they run out of power.  Once out of power, their ability to deal damage greatly decreases.  I've tried the combat wheel, but I run out of power, and therefore the ability to heal myself, before the fight is over.  This is a painfully long process.  It can take 10 minutes to take down a green ^^, and really isn't worth the rewards for the amount of effort involved.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Ogrelicious on <span class=date_text>12-14-2004</span> <span class=time_text>05:15 AM</span>

[Gwynet]

<DIV>I can still solo yellow mobs at 35, and I only need to heal myself once every two mobs in average. I think you are doing something wrong.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Gwynet on <span class=date_text>12-14-2004</span> <span class=time_text>06:56 AM</span>

[XVRay]

<DIV>Im a level 20 Templar and ive spent nearly all my time Soloing except when encountering Hard quests that involve monsters way harder then I can take. Ever since my skills have always been maxed because of it. And I do pretty well soloing and I dont even have all my App3 or adept spells yet. Hell... I even tank in groups that dont have actual tanks. haha.</DIV>

[Tinkletoy]

<DIV>27 Templar here, solo'ing is no problem.</DIV>

[khrokh]

I solo orange (solo) mobs without any problem at lvl 34. Chain your HOs as much as you can, eventualy toss a reactive heal or 2 mid fight and you're good. 2 of those solo mobs beating on me usually don't manage to kill me before i do. Exp is not fantastic, but i have found that 8% an hour is not too bad to fill up your LFGs (many groups barely reach that by cumulating debt).However i usually get bored pretty quick soloing (I'm just repeating the same key sequence over and over) and really do it when my group split up and i m close to ding.

[Kal]

<blockquote><hr>Malaki wrote:<DIV>Does soloing become impossible to a lvl 20+ templar.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>ATM i cant even solo whites, and even have trouble with Blues/Greens sometimes.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>I picked templar cause they get to wear heavy armour, and found after purchaising a full suit of <b>iron brigadine chainmail</b> that it takes a few secs longer to die.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>I dont expect to be killing yellows/oranges but FFS i cant even kill stuff lower than me without an increased risk of being killed.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Malaki on <span class=date_text>12-14-2004</span> <span class=time_text>03:18 AM</span><hr></blockquote>There is your problem right there (in bold). If you are 20+, there is NO reason at all you should have bought chain armor, and even if for some reason you really wanted chain armor, you should have bought at least the tier 3 chains! (ie. carbonite/steel)

[Malaki]

<DIV>Well for starters most of my skills are maxed, some even exceeding their current level.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I dont bother with HO's as ive noticed very little difference with them, plus i need all the power i can spare in case i have to run, which is usually the case.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am in no financial position to buy Carbonite/Steel armour and doubt i will be for months.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Day]

<DIV>OK folks listen up</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>A green mob with 2 up arrows is a GROUP mob, it is a mob designed to be fought by a group of people.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you can kill one solo, then you are doing FANTASTIC as a soloer.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As a templar I can kill most greens with 2 up arrows,heck I can kill many groups of 4 or 3 greens and some pairs of blues depending on the arrows</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Templars are GREAT soloers, I am killing things at 20th that are designed for only groups to hunt.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I expected soloing to be much more difficult at this level, and I still expect it to be a lot more dificult at 30th</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>p.s. I should probably add that Heroic opertunites do make a huge difference and cost no power at all, also that my character has very good equipment because he also groups with others on dificult quests for items.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If solo is all you do then yes you will have a much more dificult time as this is a group game and the best stuff is aquired though quests that can only be done with a party.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Dayln on <span class=date_text>12-14-2004</span> <span class=time_text>03:19 PM</span>

[Malaki]

<DIV>Well the only thing i get from grouping is XP debt, cause too many people do not know how to play their class's (which is also the reason i have given up all hope of ever even attempting the Armour quests)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>IMHO if you can solo Group mobs with 2 arrows then you are way overpowered.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>ps HO's do use power, initiating them dosnt but you need to use at least 2 skills to complete them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Malaki]

<DIV>Problem sorted Templar promoted to Mule, and if he is lucky may even get added to the deleted section</DIV>

[Hedbonker]

<DIV>I started soloing in TS at level 18.  I have one adept which is III on BOV.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I started on the orange crabs at the beach (via the quest the d0rf gives out up by the ZL).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My routine is this:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>hit my melee attack button.</DIV> <DIV>Pull with weakness.</DIV> <DIV>Activate HO.</DIV> <DIV>Admonishing Smite (App3).</DIV> <DIV>Whatever the big red blade nuke is (App3).</DIV> <DIV>BOV</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Activate HO.</DIV> <DIV>Admonishing Smite (App3).</DIV> <DIV>Whatever the big red blade nuke is (App3).</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Activate HO.</DIV> <DIV>Admonishing Smite (App3).</DIV> <DIV>Whatever the big red blade nuke is (App3).</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Activate HO.</DIV> <DIV>Admonishing Smite (App3).</DIV> <DIV>Whatever the big red blade nuke is (App3).</DIV>Done.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sometimes I toss in another BOV if I am starting to hurt.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>At 22 I solo all of the non-aggro trash mobs between the bridge and beach road - Blues, whites and oranges.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You can see my gear here:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=109676101" target=_blank>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=109676101</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have bought no gear.  Its all quested.  My down time is zero basically as I am running around looking for the next mob.  Occasionally, I will have down time if there is a concentration of mobs that no one else is killing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The only time I group is when my friends are online.  Other then that, I solo.</DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Hedbonker on <span class=date_text>12-15-2004</span> <span class=time_text>09:45 AM</span>

[Gobbwin]

<DIV>Many classes can solo quite well, you just have to know how to do it.  It isn't hard, the above posters have given you all the keys that you need.  Perhaps you would have fared much better had you shown a bit of patience and paid a bit more attention.  No offence but I have the feeling that you tried a couple of times, couldn't figure it out (or it wasn't the cake walk that some have made it sound, due to their repeated soloing), got frustrated and quit.  God forbid a bit of effort to learn your toon, but to each his own, best of luck in your search for greener pastures.</DIV>

[Fugaci]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Malaki wrote:<BR> <DIV>Well the only thing i get from grouping is XP debt, cause too many people do not know how to play their class's (which is also the reason i have given up all hope of ever even attempting the Armour quests)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>IMHO if you can solo Group mobs with 2 arrows then you are way overpowered.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>ps HO's do use power, initiating them dosnt but you need to use at least 2 skills to complete them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Which ends up saving power.  A Cleric really isn't capable of just plain beating many things to death.  Even when we can it isn't efficient.  The spells are our main offense.   One of the keys to soloing any class is the use of HOs, if you try to solo without using HOs it is going to be difficult for any class.<BR> <p>Message Edited by Fugacity on <span class=date_text>12-15-2004</span> <span class=time_text>03:52 PM</span>

[rogGT]

<DIV>I hate having to solo but templers can solo oranges and yellows (at least I could handlet the troopers part of my AQ6 quest). Grouped mobs are tough though and I've only had luck with the green^ ones. And even that's pretty tough.</DIV>

[Malaki]

<DIV>As ive stated before i notice no difference using HO's, in fact getting sick of all the resists im getting.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Obviously SOE's idea of a Templar and mine are totally different.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Kikmaid]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Malaki wrote:<BR> <DIV>As ive stated before i notice no difference using HO's, in fact getting sick of all the resists im getting.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Obviously SOE's idea of a Templar and mine are totally different.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>How can an extra full nuke worth of damage be hard to notice?  I think you need to make a seperate chat Window which shows only All Combat/Spells but turn off "Other" in Spells/Combat, so you just see your own damage and the damage you're taking, so you can see in numbers the extra damage you do with HO that's completely free if you're casting the nukes anyway. Our solo HO's give 3 possible benefits -</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>* Around a full extra nuke worth of damage for free (common)</DIV> <DIV>* Around a full extra nuke worth of damage for free + 10 bonus to Inspirations skill (uncommon)</DIV> <DIV>* A 3 minute quicker power regeneration buff (rare)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Slowly beating down a mob with just your melee weapon would make soloing so slow it's not worth doing.  If you're fighting more than 1 mob at the same time, it hurts you to NOT nuke because you're taking damage from all the mobs at once for longer by not killing faster.  If that's true, then you must nuke when solo'ing, and if you nuke at all then adding a HO into it is completely FREE, and makes a massive difference to your ability to kill something.  And each time you use the HO you give yourself a chance of getting the rare HO up which then gives you a HUGE advantage solo'ing with the nice power regeneration buff.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I get resisted on nukes, but against soloable mobs, I would say I get resisted roughly 1 in every 20 nukes, which isn't a big deal.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>At 27 I can solo Green, Blue, White, Yellow and Orange mobs, Green ^, Blue ^ and maybe White ^ mobs and Green ^^ mobs if they're alone.  I also can solo up to a group of 4 Greens (no arrow or maybe one ^ or so) or a couple of Blues, although admittedly I'm usually going to have to kill the last mob in the group almost solely with melee weapon.  Since I started I don't remember much difference in these colours and what I could beat at each level, I feel I've always roughly been able to solo these relative level of mobs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>At level 20 I went and bought player made Pristine Carbonite Vanguard armor to cover most of my body - which upped my AC to something like 1100, which of course makes a nice difference.  I guess this cost me about 3 gold in total, which isn't really that big an ask at level 20 - and once you're done with the armor you can sell it on again.  After doing the AQ's I'm now up to about 1650 AC I think.  My defense skill is almost always maxed out for level, and my other skills such as crushing/parry/disruption etc. are always kept quite high as well.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>However, I don't really feel like I'm doing anything really special or all that different from most others.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't think soloing a GREEN ^^ mob solo means anybody is overpowered - a WHITE ^^ - yes, but why is green ^^ soloing overpowered?  Green means it's way below your level, the ^^ means it's much harder than its shown level though.  A white mob should be soloable, a white ^ should be a real challenge at best, and a white ^^ should be impossible - which is pretty much how it works.  Almost every profession I've talked to can pretty much solo the same con mobs as I can, and that's different characters from mages, fighters and scout archetypes.  And although Green ^^ is soloable, it's by no means easy anyway, and you can still die quite easily and at best are probably in for a long fight of nothing but BoV'ing towards the end.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you're not able to solo the same level mobs as I've mentioned, and all you have is frustration to the point of wanting to delete the character, when most other people are able to solo using the same type of character you are using then I think your statement of "<EM>Well the only thing i get from grouping is XP debt, cause too many people do not know how to play their class's (which is also the reason i have given up all hope of ever even attempting the Armour quests)</EM>" may apply to you just as much as the rest of the team from the looks of it.  In addition - the armor quests took time, but they were by no means hard - I did roughly half of them with my guild, and the other half with pickup teams, and I don't remember a time I even died - including the final AQ (AQ6) which I did the named and hardest mob in a pure pickup team with no death.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Edit: One tip which I forgot to mention is that especially when soloing, you can use summoned food if you have to, but don't use summoned water.  Summoned water gives you the slowest power regen in the game, and power regen is vital to your ability to solo.  At worst get even just basic water from a shop, something more like 80c a piece like a canteen of spring water gives almost double the summoned water regen and if you buy tier 2 or 3 drinks from crafters you'll be getting far better regen.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Kikmaidog on <span class=date_text>12-16-2004</span> <span class=time_text>09:47 AM</span>

[DeythCombi]

<DIV>Malaki, it's likely your skill as a player holding you back.  You won't believe it but it's true.  Perhaps the reason you get nothing but xp debt from grouping is related to that?  Anyone who thinks using HO's in solo combat makes no difference is going to have trouble with any class he plays.  I've never seen a solo yellow I couldn't kill and many oranges too.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On the broader topic of soloing as a templar I would say don't do it.  We can solo but it's too slow compared to even an average group.</DIV><p>Message Edited by DeythCombine on <span class=date_text>12-15-2004</span> <span class=time_text>07:50 PM</span>

[DeythCombi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Hedbonker wrote:<BR> <DIV>I started soloing in TS at level 18.  I have one adept which is III on BOV.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I started on the orange crabs at the beach (via the quest the d0rf gives out up by the ZL).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My routine is this:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>hit my melee attack button.</DIV> <DIV>Pull with weakness.</DIV> <DIV>Activate HO.</DIV> <DIV>Admonishing Smite (App3).</DIV> <DIV>Whatever the big red blade nuke is (App3).</DIV> <DIV>BOV</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Activate HO.</DIV> <DIV>Admonishing Smite (App3).</DIV> <DIV>Whatever the big red blade nuke is (App3).</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Activate HO.</DIV> <DIV>Admonishing Smite (App3).</DIV> <DIV>Whatever the big red blade nuke is (App3).</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Activate HO.</DIV> <DIV>Admonishing Smite (App3).</DIV> <DIV>Whatever the big red blade nuke is (App3).</DIV>Done.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sometimes I toss in another BOV if I am starting to hurt.</DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>I would recommend trying something else.  Forget the debuff, it's not worth it.  Start with combative faith because it's the most power efficient damage dealer you have.  Activate HO and do admonishing smite twice  and just repeat that, forget radiant strike (or celestial strike when you get it.)  The strike line has a worse power:damage ratio and admonishing smite recycles very quickly.  Use combative faith if it recycles and there's room left in the mob's health to make it worthwhile.  Use a bov if you really need it otherwise don't bother and let it regen with your power after the fight while you find the next mob.  If anything use a bov on every other because it's your power that matters.</DIV><p>Message Edited by DeythCombine on <span class=date_text>12-15-2004</span> <span class=time_text>07:57 PM</span>

[Malaki]

<DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Malaki on <span class=date_text>12-15-2004</span> <span class=time_text>05:56 PM</span>

[DeythCombi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Malaki wrote:<BR> <DIV>Lol wondered if this was gonna turn into a [Removed for Content] noob post.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>ps: I could not afford any heavy armour, in fact i only had just over 1GP at lvl 20 which came from me giving up 3 days cause i had to sit in my room in order to sell stuff which i am not in a rush to repeat.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I use summoned food/water for 3 reasons  1 - i have yet to see a provinser in-game,  2 - Merchant food/drink is too pricey and 3 - crafting 1 piece at a time myself is to consuming as im not logged 22/7 like some people seem to be.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>HO's make very little diffeence for me, at 15 I always used them as i could solo with ease but hitting 20 was like hitting a wall.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have no issues with the class as a healer in fact i play that side very well IMO, probably cause healing in a good group is simple but boring at times.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I get on average 2/3 out of 10 resists and my record for fizzles currently stands at 7, in fact ive fizzled Call to Qeynos on 3 seperate occasions.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for my skill as a player, of course i have flaws you'll have to forgive me but i am only a mortal human being.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Grouping i find 1 in 10 groups to be comfortable to hunt with, but with a 90% failure rate isnt it obvious why i dont group.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Armour Quest have taken up to much of my already and i havent even started them yet.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>How could the armor quest have taken up anything if you haven't started yet?</P> <P>Try the broker for drink, you don't need food.</P> <P>HO's make little difference for you because you're not soloing correctly.  See my post above for the technique and then go out and try it.</P> <P>Soloing is simpler than being in a group because there are fewer decisions to make so I find it hard to believe you fail at one yet are good at the other.</P> <P>Do a fraps video of one of your soloing attempts if you want me to believe you're getting resisted 2/3rds of the time on yellows.</P> <P>A 90% failure rate in groups is too high to be a coincidence so I would look for the common factor in those failed groups and it seems to be you.  Think about that.  Other flawed mortal beings here (seems everyone but you) have no problem soloing with their templars.  My point is you are more flawed than most and accepting that fact will be your first step toward self-improvement.</P>

[Malaki]

<DIV> <DIV>Lol thought this might end up as a [Removed for Content] noob post.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>just a few points:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I had just over 1GP at lvl 20, so buying armour upgrades was limited. (and dont bother telling me i should of sold crafted items I spent 3 day AFK trying to sell app3's and dont intend to repeat if possible).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Food/Drink i use was summoned, for starters it saved money which i need plus merchant stuff gets pricey when u start buying quantities of it.  Crafting food/drink takes forever as you only craft 1 at a time so too time consuming.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Upto lvl 15/16 soloing was a breeze for me, HO's the works, but hitting 20 was like hitting wall.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Grouping, 1/10 groups was comfortable from my experience, so with a 90% failure rate is it any wonder i avoid groups like the plaque.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for my player skill, youll have to forgive me but i am only a human being with human flaws.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I did not rush into my class, in fact i am a compotent healer</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And last of all seeing as everyone keeps mentioning it to me, i have wasted far to much time IMHO looking for an AQ group, so i totally gave up on the idea.</DIV></DIV> <P>Message Edited by Malaki on <SPAN class=date_text>12-15-2004</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>05:57 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Malaki on <span class=date_text>12-15-2004</span> <span class=time_text>06:03 PM</span>

[Gobbwin]

<DIV>I soloed most of AQ1 and 2, got a pick up group for the parts that I couldn't get (the tormentors, chiptooth and spiders just cause we were on a roll).  I was out working on other quests when I happened to see peeps asking for help for the same AQ I was working on.  I see people LFAQ#G (looking for armor quest # group) all the time in the respective zone that the quest takes place in.  Granted more so during peak playing time, but still there at other times.  Hell even when I just want to solo I get asked to help others on their AQ a lot, they offer to help me in return, but since AQ 3 seems to be bugged, i'm just happy to help out.  Where are you trying to solo?  I personally had a harder time soloing in my mid teens due to so many things adding during the battles.  Though the XP blows, I solo in TS a lot quite well, making a gold or more in a couple hours if not less.  I will admit that group XP is by far the best, got a pick up group in SH last night (there were about 4 full AQ3 groups in the zone, with quite a few others LFAQ3G and that was just one instance), we had no problems with most everything in the zone, including several named.  We got pwned on our way out though by a yellow ^^^ (at 21) Group X2, but he jumped us and we didn't even get to say "O [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] !"before we were dead, let alone run.  But reguardless in about 2 hours there, with most of the time running between camps, looking for AQ mobs, or waiting on respawn, I got ~50% xp at 21.  And that was with a pick up group, I will admit that not all are good, but the vast majority of crappy groups I have had, were mostly all in my early/mid teens.  As of late, most people know their toons, and we just get eaten when we get a bit over confident, or by wierd pathing... but anyways, my point is that I agree that it is not hard to solo, nor find a good group, it just takes time, practice, and patience.  But if it is frustrating for you, try another class or don't play, in the end its just a game afterall.  One that is highly addictive and causes lifestyle changes such as eating canned and other pre-packaged/cooked foods as well as much less sleep.</DIV>

[Tinkletoy]

<DIV>There's a lot of different issues that effect your ability to solo.  If you don't have decent amor, spell upgrades and player made food/drink, sure you're going to be "gimped" in comparison.  At lvl 28, I can solo a red mob lvl 34.  However, I'm a lvl 33 provisioner, so I have the best food/drink on me for added regen of hp and power, I was able to afford the best player made amor and jewelry, which is better than the AQ stuff, and my spells are minimum adept 1's with my heals being adept 3's.  I also make certain I solo at least as often as I group so that my defense/offense skills are maxed each lvl.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Here's the tactics I use to solo:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Pull with Mark of Pawns</DIV> <DIV>Debuff and Weaken</DIV> <DIV>Combative faith</DIV> <DIV>HO, nuke nuke</DIV> <DIV>BoV or SP</DIV> <DIV>Combative Faith</DIV> <DIV>HO, nuke nuke</DIV> <DIV>Mob is usually dead, I'm at 50% power full health usually.</DIV>

[khrokh]

I would suggest to not quit templar because you can't solo anything with your templar. We are currently one of the most efficient solo classes on the entire game.You will never get a 90% resist rate average on non red mobs (solo mobs), however you will get interrupts and you will have to deal with them. Your armor is probably the single most important thing in soloing. You don't have a way to alter the movement of the mob so you ll have to tank it. Your defense score will have a huge impact on how much damage you take on a fight. With proper protection you should not need more than 1 or 2 reactive heals per solo fight (on oranges). On very rare occasions you will encounter a mob that is especially resistant and might have to flee.Getting proper armor has nothing to do with how rich you are, actually you can't buy the best armor, because it is usually attunable (and attuned by the one that loots it). Armor quest is great in your 20s, and a reasonable amount (i d say the half) can be soloed, and finding a group for the other half is very easy.

[Gwynet]

<DIV>You need to upgrade your spells too. App1 and 2s won't cut it.</DIV>

[asilverf]

<DIV>Ummm...why bother posting at all folks?  How anyone can get to lvl 20 w/o seeing any benefit to HO's when soloing is pretty much beyond help imo.  Furthermore, if the dude can't be bothered to start aq quests and finds grping simple and boring (regardless of the 90% debt accumulated thereof),  Is there any reason to bring him back into the fold?  GL finding something that suits you better Mulaki.   </DIV>

[Malaki]

<DIV>Obviously reading isnt peoples strong point judging by the last few replies, you could please at least read the full post not just read 2 sentences.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So as i understand it from reading replies, you need a Shedload of money to get anywhere in this game.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Malaki on <span class=date_text>12-16-2004</span> <span class=time_text>03:58 PM</span>

[khrokh]

<DIV>totaly wrong, you need a truckload of quests (which costs 0)</DIV>

[Malaki]

<DIV>Right so skill upgrades are gained through quests.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And scholar is just a fancy name u can get.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Heiro]

<DIV>at 21 templar,  I also solo quite easily.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Main Points of Soloing: </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Armor : 20+ should be in Carb Vanguard or steel platemail.  I understand if you cant afford the cost of the armor,  but I have to wonder why not?   The little errand boy quests, and various repeatable tasks throughout qeynos should provide enough coin to at least get some pieces.  Personally,  I am  my own provider of armor, at lvl 27 armorsmith, Full Vanguard plate is a boon .. and with full steel (2 more Armorsmith lvls) then crafted armor is better than Quest armor.   Drops from random treasure chests, monster loots should have provided you with enough cash to at least get some sort of armor.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Spells : App3 or better,  as soon as you can.  Again this costs money , and it may be hard to part with your hard earned coin, but the investment is well worth it.   Spend your gold on a couple of app 3s, and may be a few pieces of armor, and your ability to solo will increase, thus the more loot dropped from mobs, thus the more coin to spend.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Crafting / Harvesting :  At the minimum, Harvest those nodes,  Keep your harvesting skills up , and do wholesaler tasks,  2 tasks for tier 3 harvests *15 items per task*  can net you close to a gold.  thats not that hard to get.  Also take up some sort of crafting, supplemental or primary,   if you want easy skill and low interdependancy, go Provisioner or Alchemist.. Make your own food, and you wont have to buy it, or the easy (and overpriced) alchemy tempers/resins/oils/washes  that just about ALL craftsmen need.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There is $$ to be made in both regards,  the pure adventurer or the craftsman,  but the best way to get good items, good gear, good food and good coin is in mixing the 2 together.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>All the above suggestions on methods of Solo'ing (in regards to use of HO's ) are 100% correct, so there is no need for me to toss my 2cp into the mix.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I cant seem to find any reason for a lvl 20ish not to have accumulated either enough friends, or coin to not be able to afford the simple necessities (armor, app3's, food)  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>To maximize the potential of the Class , you have to take advantage of every aspect of the game.. both crafter, gatherer, and adventurer. Failure to do so will result, not in the failure of the game to live up to its potential, but rather failure of the player to play the game to its full potential.</DIV>

[Malaki]

<DIV>I do craft, but as my online time is erratic i dont spend the time i do have online in my inn room AFK.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Loot from hunting is a joke as in i hardly ever win lottos, won a few adpets once but these were all comon ones so gave them to my guild.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Gobbwin]

<DIV>At first I had to disagree with you asilverfox, but after that second to last comment, I give up.  You can help a person out as much as you can, give them all the tools and if they don't want to learn or use them, they wont, but continue to complain about it, on top of insulting you.  People never fail to amaze me.  All I can say is GL finding greener pastures.  Though I hate to fall into the pattern of so many others...Perhaps you should try WoW, it is much much easier to solo in that game, quests are easier as is crafting.  If thats your cup of tea, to have everything virtually handed to you on a silver platter, then have at it, no skin off my backside.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>/emote: Golf claps for your feeble non-efforts and constant complaining.</DIV> <DIV>/emote: Waves goodbye.</DIV>

[Malaki]

<DIV>My main problem is im use to DnD bases Clerics and IMHO SOE's templar is an insult.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hence i will be rerolling my main as a Mage class and have already started a Druid to replace my Templar</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[tektrad]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Malaki wrote:<BR> <DIV>Well for starters most of my skills are maxed, some even exceeding their current level.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>Good.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I dont bother with HO's as ive noticed very little difference with them, plus i need all the power i can spare in case i have to run, which is usually the case.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>If you're not going to bother with HO's, then don't bother with solo'ing.  They (HO's) don't use any more power than when you cast your nukes normally... but they do grant you an extra damage hit that hurts the mob a lot.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am in no financial position to buy Carbonite/Steel armour and doubt i will be for months.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>I'm in a guild where my guildies have all picked up some form of crafting.  Our guild's armorsmith made me the best plate I can wear at my level (21).  If you're not in a guild, join one.  If you don't want to, then make sure you use other folks' advice and get to solo'ing.  When you loot something nice, do NOT sell it to an NPC merchant.  Instead, go back to your apartment when you're ready to quit for the night... and put it all up for sale (after doing the research and seeing what the same item is listed at on other vendors [list yours for less than the lowest guy, typically]).</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[tektrad]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Malaki wrote:<BR> <DIV>Well the only thing i get from grouping is XP debt, cause too many people do not know how to play their class's (which is also the reason i have given up all hope of ever even attempting the Armour quests)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>IMHO if you can solo Group mobs with 2 arrows then you are way overpowered.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>ps HO's do use power, initiating them dosnt but you need to use at least 2 skills to complete them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> And you wouldn't be using those skills otherwise?  What do you do when solo'ing exactly, start auto-attack and go make a snack?

[DeythCombi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Malaki wrote:<BR> <DIV>My main problem is im use to DnD bases Clerics and IMHO SOE's templar is an insult.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hence i will be rerolling my main as a Mage class and have already started a Druid to replace my Templar</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> I expect very soon you will be complaining on their class boards about things you can't seem to do that others can.  That pesky SOE messing with you again no doubt.<p>Message Edited by DeythCombine on <span class=date_text>12-17-2004</span> <span class=time_text>04:32 PM</span>

[Day]

<DIV>I guess I dont get it,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I love my Templar, I solo better, I group better than any of my guildmates.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If I were to start over I would become a Templar again.</DIV>

[Malaki]

<DIV><FONT size=2> <P>Well I have NEVER stated that HO’s have low damage, I find them ineffective because im dead long before the mob is.</P> <P>I am in a guild and have been since day one , but seeing as we are not a guild of power levellers like so many other peeps I have seen we currently have no Level 20+ Crafters.</P> <P>I have already tried out a Mage before and it was what I expected, High Damage, yet physically Weak.</P> <P>And for about the fifth time, I wont leave my char in my Inn room Selling items, especially not if im leaving my PC un-attended.</P></FONT></DIV>

[Kyrakath]

<DIV>Malaki man. Dude, friend, bro. Are you a little slow? From the beginning you have made no sense. Before I go off on you please tell me how old you are and are you serious about making a druid? You do know there is no kiting in this game dont you? Um. Ill stop here. USE freekin HO's man what are you thinking?! If youre trying to solo ++ mobs then yeah youre gonna be dead man and so is every other class out there. Oh yeah I said I was going to stop.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Geez this patch has taken 10 hours so far.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Rhoulicas 35 Dark Elf Templar of Unrest</DIV>

[tektrad]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Malaki wrote:<BR> <DIV><FONT size=2> <P>And for about the fifth time, I wont leave my char in my Inn room Selling items, especially not if im leaving my PC un-attended.</P></FONT></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>...</DIV>

[Malaki]

<DIV>[Removed for Content]</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am not fighting Group ++ Mobs, im Fighting solo Mobs Blue,Green and White.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[IlluvatorBrightst]

Malakai, in an attempt to help, could you go through your typical solo pull? What spells/skills in what order etc. Also, what levels(app2/3, adept+) are your spells? Lastly, what mobs specifically (name, zone) are you trying? Lets get you working <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Aurvid]

<DIV> <P><FONT color=#ffffff><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3><SPAN><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN>I solo yellow mobs just fine at level 29, never spend more than 50% power and usually never loose more than 50% health on a single pull. I usually experience more soloing than I do grouped… </SPAN><SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=2><SPAN>Intercession </SPAN><SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=2><SPAN>Nuke pull</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=2><SPAN>Attack</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=2><SPAN>BoV</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=2><SPAN>Disgrace</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=2><SPAN>HO- nuke, nuke</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=2><SPAN>HO- nuke, nuke</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=2><SPAN>BoV</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=2><SPAN>HO-nuke, nuke</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=2><SPAN>HO-nuke, nuke</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=2><SPAN>Dead mob</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=2><SPAN>Repeat until I get sick of soloing</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN>Normally Mobs are dead by the 4th set of HO.</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></P> <P><SPAN></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Alucard Moonshadow</FONT></SPAN><SPAN></SPAN></P> <P></SPAN> </P></DIV><p>Message Edited by Aurvid on <span class=date_text>12-17-2004</span> <span class=time_text>04:18 PM</span>

[Malaki]

<DIV><FONT size=2> <P>Well there will be no recovering my Level 20 Templar atm , although he has not been deleted he has been stripped of everything Weapons, Jewellery etc… only thing he has left is a full suit of Iron Chain mail. </P> <P>Although ill indulge you seeing as you asked Illuvator:</P> <P> </P> <P>Mobs I usually try and solo are Great Bears and Wolves normally found around Gnollslayer keep also tried White Solo skellys in the Dead River area (TS)</P> <P> </P> <P>Combat goes as follows:</P> <P> </P> <P>Pull with weakness</P> <P>Start melee Combat</P> <P>Cast Rebuke and Mark of Pawns</P> <P>Divine Providence</P> <P>Adomising Smite/Radiant Strike/Smite (Attempt to cast Adomising Smite if it Fizzles which it does a lot I try Radiant Strike if that fizzles then Smite.</P> <P>Repeat above step to complete HO</P> <P>Cast BoV or CH depending on my Health (normally CH as my health can be as low as 60% by this point)</P> <P>Repeat HO again</P> <P>Heal again.</P> <P>After about 4 cycles im normally oop and also low on HP the mob on the other hand isn’t, last one I tried still had 50% HP.</P> <P>As for my spell Levels they are as follows App3 for my priest spells, App1 for the rest (a couple of gone up to App2)</P> <P>Why not Adept you might say, for starters do they even exist only Adept1 book I have seen is Combat Healing and the seller wanted 40SP for it and I have been un able to get any search results from brokers for the last few days <FONT face=Wingdings>L</FONT> </P> <P>Don’t even mention Adept3’s</P> <P>Armour as I have stated before Iron Chain mail, Templar Club from hallmark quest, plus all my jewellery I was wearing was starter stuff.</P> <P>Have Courage, Daring and the other buff you get (cant recall its name)</P> <P> </P> <P>I know my AC will be p*ss poor due to only wearing chainmail and my spells and some of my equipment are low but there is not a lot i can do about it.</P> <P> </P></FONT></DIV>

[Gwynet]

<DIV>Ok in my opinion, you waste way too much time casting weakness (that IMO is a waste at 20 anyway), and rebuke and mark of pawns. You won't hit the mob enough to make a difference, it's not the melee that will kill the mob, but the nukes. By the time you are done with all those, my mob is already 1/3 dead, I just have to finish a few more HOs and he's dead.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Then, forget radiant strike and smite, they are not power efficient or just don't do enough damage at all. Get app3 of admonishing strike if you can, as well as BoV. You want to do as much damage as soon as you can.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>NEVER use combat healing, use BoV, it's way more power efficient, And only cast it when you drop below 50% (or even 40%).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>With this strat, even with light armor, I was able to solo white/yellow stuff at 19, you should be able to solo that stuff at 20 without problem. Go to Antonica, go to the scarecrows field not far from Windstalker village and solo the blue/green thingies there. You won't get adds, and it's good to learn. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm curious though, if you die so much, how did you even complete your templar quest?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Orodru]

<DIV>I'm quite sure this is a troll. As Gwynet alluded, the Templar quest requires a fair bit of soloing. I don't use /role or /anon, so I get tells all the time from aspiring clerics saying they have died or fled from the Hallmark instance and cannot figure out what to do. I send them a few tells suggesting how to solo, and if they are unclear on HO/soloing, I recommend they go kill a few dozen things in VS to bone up a bit (using my advice) before trying the instance again. I truly have a hard time believing our Malaki passed that quest without understading some basic soloing fundamentals. Hence, probably just a troll.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But I'll take a bite anyway (since the servers are down and I have time on my hands):</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Malaki, there is some sound advice here in this thread. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Upgrade your armor. Do the AQ, at your level that armor is awesome and will improve your soloing ability 10x. Read a few spoilers here or on other sites about jewelry quests, too. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Upgrade your spells. By now, appIII is available on everything you need, cheap. Adept III is still a bit pricy, but worth the cost.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I know, you don't have much cash. You've made that point clear. Cash can be made in many ways. Quest for it. Quest for thing you can't afford (like the Armor Quests - much cheaper than buying good armor). If you get a quest reward you don't need, sell it for cash or trade it for something you do need. If all else fails, take the time, painful as it is, to raise your mining/forestry/trapping skills and do those quests your wholesaler gives you - 10 or 20 wholesaler quests and you can buy any armor you want that is appropriate for your level, and a few more wholesaler quests and you can by some gold jewelry, too.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yep, I know that takes time. This game is all about spending time. You spend time questing. You spend time grouping. You spend time soloing. You spend time tradeskilling. You spend time harvesting. You spend time - period. It's up to you to decide if you are spending your time productively. If what you are doing now is not working, change it. Continuing to die soloing when you are unprepared will just be frustrating - as you know.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>One thing you can do that saves time is start using your away time (time sleeping, at work, at school, wherever you are that you are not playing EQ) by standing in your hotel room with all your extra stuff up for sale. Players will give you money and you don't even have to be there. If you are not doing this, you are really missing out.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Listen to what others on this thread have told you about casting your spells while soloing. Most of it is sound advice. A couple points from previous posters I disagree with:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Someone said not to use rebuke - I personally compared my damage from my nukes with Rebuke and without it, and the damage with it is higher. I recommend Rebuke as the spell to pull the target. Weakness is not a good pulling spell, as you have all the heals you'll ever need, so the bad guy hitting you for a couple more damage each hit really doesn't matter that much.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Someone else said to stick with your strike line of spells and ignore your smite line of spells due to power/damage ratios. This is partly true, but something else to consider is that even though the strike line refreshes fairly quickly, you still have to wait for it. Waiting during combat prolongs the combat. I would rather finish it quickly (one, to minimize the risk of adds; two, to move on to the next battle sooner; three, to get to resting for power/health regen if needed; four; because I just wanna get it over with) so I recommend alternating smite and strike (after starting the HO). It's true that you waste a bit more power this way, but you should finish the fight faster and with less risk and you can regen it back anyway.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Other than that, the info in the thread has been pretty much dead on. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For the record, I'm wearing all AQ stuff still at level 31. I have pristine forged gold jewelry in every slot it can go in except bracelets (got two nice ones from Varsoon recently). This is not great armor/gear for my level. But I can still solo yellow and orange targets easily and with little or no risk. I just do the same things other posters have been talking about.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hope this helps. Enjoy whatever class you decide to play.</DIV>

[Malaki]

<DIV>I had some help from some guild mates for my templar quest although the bllodsaber adepts didnt drop the quest item for advance for ages, ended up with another cleric after my guildies left and finaly got an advance from an adept.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for the Tomb, i got a map and memorised the way and just ran without stopping, had one hell of a queue of mobs behind me so was not impressed when i tried to zone to the crypt the first time it wouldnt zone me in, second time was ok though.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for the AQ i gave up hunting for 6 days and went mining in Antonica whilst asking for an AQ1/Tormentor group with no luck.  Yes i have seen plenty of people recruiting for AQ but never AQ1.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I tried a wholesaler task, collect 15 Gold - three hours later 3 Gold <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Quests also seem to be group based at lvl 20 also.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Heiro]

<DIV>Typical pull for me soloing yellows or whites :</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Rebuke.....</DIV> <DIV>initiate melee....</DIV> <DIV>HO trigger...</DIV> <DIV>Admonishing Smite (app3)....</DIV> <DIV>Radiant Strike (Adept 3)...</DIV> <DIV>....if HO not ready...then Smite (adept 1)..</DIV> <DIV>HO trigger...</DIV> <DIV>Admonishing Smite...</DIV> <DIV>Radiant Strike....</DIV> <DIV>.... BoV (app 3) if needed... otherwise Smite  if HO trigger not ready....</DIV> <DIV>HO trigger...</DIV> <DIV>Admonishing Smite...</DIV> <DIV>Radiant Strike...</DIV> <DIV>...if Undead .. its usually dead by now</DIV> <DIV>repeat HO cycle again</DIV> <DIV>...Mob usually dead...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lvl 21 Templar...27 Armorsmith .. </DIV> <DIV>Armor is self crafted Pristine Carbonite Vanguard Plate (cept for Pristine Steel Vanguard Barbute and Spaulders)</DIV> <DIV>Jewellery is all Pristine Gold/Agate (cept for rings which are Pristine Palladium Bands)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Weakness / CH / Mark of Pawns  is good for Flavor while fighting in a group, but not really needed in Soloing...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Steppes beetles / Grassland Beetles / mountaini cats / solo antelope  are easy exp in the front half of TS, that dont aggro, and are plentiful... also .. harvest while yer there.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Using  the recipes for success that were given throughout  this post, only  problem has to be located between the monitor and the chair ( IMO )</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Heiro on <span class=date_text>12-18-2004</span> <span class=time_text>02:56 AM</span>

[Malaki]

<DIV>So its my fault that im not willing to leave my pc connected to EQ2 whilst im not sat at it in order to sell to players.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Maybe is SOE gave people other ways of selling other than sitting in their inn rooms id have the money available ot buy up to date equipment/spells and would never of had to post this thread in the first place.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Vlet]

<DIV>For starters, I am the last person to flame or post a disparaging word....</DIV> <DIV>But please..<FONT size=6>stop playing a Templar!!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>From all that I have read in your posts you stink at it, as well as cannot take alot of great help from the others who posted here.  I have read this whole thread so far and there were a large amount of VERY helpful posts.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>My personal addage is that at 20 multiple (4) greens and even multiple (3) blues are easily dispatched.  Its all about buffs, armor, and most of all HO's....You will need to use the power not to run, but to cast on the mob.  A Templar is not meant to do major damage in melee.  We rely on the spells and the HO basicaly gives us a free nuke for about 65 dmg at 20.  So not using it to save mana is STUPID.  As for you accruing only debt xp from groups, look at the Templar your the healer! If you cannot solo what makes you think your capable of grouping.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>Please save us all the trouble and pick another class to make look bad.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>As for money... the most I have seen to date is 1gp and 55sp.  I have yet to start my AQ, and I have a full set of vanguard/quested plate... so don't cry about money... Do something about how you play.</FONT></DIV><p>Message Edited by Vletts on <span class=date_text>12-18-2004</span> <span class=time_text>06:25 AM</span>

[Malaki]

<DIV><FONT size=2> <P>OK so when exactly did I state that the replies have not been helpful?</P> <P>I have NO problem healing groups (mostly with guild mates nowadays instead of pickup groups).</P> <P>I started this thread to try and understand why I was having difficulty SOLOING, and that was answered in the first few posts.</P> <P> </P> <P>NEED BETTER ARMOUR<BR><BR>NEED BETTER SKILLS (APP3-ADEPT 3)</P> <P>NEED HIGH TIER DRINK.</P> <P>Do you think if I wanted to do high Melee damage I would of picked a priest class in the first place?</P> <P> </P> <P>Ps another lesson I have learnt, don’t bother asking this community for help or advice</P></FONT></DIV><p>Message Edited by Malaki on <span class=date_text>12-18-2004</span> <span class=time_text>10:01 AM</span>

[asilverf]

<DIV>A couple years ago I was down in Florida visiting a cousin.  We were driving down a small dirt road when I accidently hit an armadillo.  I got out of the car and although it was still alive, I could tell there was no way it would be for long.  I pushed it over to the side of the road with my foot so it could die in the shade.  I swear Malaki, as I walked away, it looked at me with more gratitude than you've shown all the poor saps that have wasted their time with you on this board.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Well, at least you can be thankful there is no pvp in eq 2 hehe,  you'ld be spammed to timbuktu and back with "XXX cleric has challeneged you to a duel, do you accept?"</DIV>

[Xran]

<DIV>In short, every class can solo. How well they solo is another thing. Bard sometimes have problem</DIV> <DIV>because they aren't too offensive.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Templar aren't too offensive either, but they have heavy plate and powerful healing to back it up.</DIV> <DIV>Obviously, players here have suggested things to help you solo better. Have you tried them? No. </DIV> <UL> <LI>Heavy Armor (free from Armor Quests)</LI> <LI>Upgrade to at least App II (you can buy them from in-game NPC merchants)</LI> <LI>A decent hammer + shield</LI></UL> <P>Of course, players suggested all these, and you can't dedicate enough effort to do all that. It is time<BR>consuming. If you don't put in the effort, then don't solo.</P> <P>If you have tried all those that's suggested above (Armor Quest, App II, decent hammer+shield) and<BR>STILL CANNOT solo, this mean you can do 2 things:</P> <UL> <LI>Hammer the players posted here that your suggestions didn't work</LI> <LI>Your player skills is a little incompetent. If 99% of templars can solo, that means you are having your own problem</LI></UL> <P>Yes, I am directing at you. Being plain childish and claiming that you can't bother to ask for advice when<BR>the advice has already been given but it is too much for you to do.</P> <P>If you are a templar that's supposed to wear Heavy armor and carry some decent hammer... but instead you are<BR>wearing a weaker armor and carrying old weapon and spell...........................................</P> <P>Do you think people going to war will wear plain cloth shirt and a rusted hammer?</P> <P>1 great suggestion: load up single player game and type "god mode", "give armor". There problem solved, you got<BR>your heavy armor and you can solo. Blame me for being so sarcastic, but you can just take, you must give too.</P>

[Malaki]

<DIV>Not put in the effort ROFLMFAO, i do have a RL and dont sit in front of my Pc playinng EQ2 from Dusk till Dawn.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ps Xrande since when was the club you get from the templar hallmark quest an out of date weapon for a lvl 20 Templar?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Daissen]

<DIV>    I think what you may be doing wrong is not utilizing your HO's. These make a huge different in soloing. At 20 you should not be having any problem soloing yellow solos or most green groups (of one).  Also I recomend that you ensure your equipment is effective for your level. You won't get anywhere solo if you are wearing a bunch of grey equipment.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>---------------------------------------------</DIV> <DIV>Angelah Brightsmiles</DIV> <DIV>---------------------------------------------</DIV>

[Xran]

<blockquote><hr>Malaki wrote:<DIV>Not put in the effort ROFLMFAO, i do have a RL and dont sit in front of my Pc playinng EQ2 from Dusk till Dawn.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Ps Xrande since when was the club you get from the templar hallmark quest an out of date weapon for a lvl 20 Templar?</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV> </DIV><hr></blockquote>I have a RL too. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I only play 2-4 hours each day. I still get AQ done.Yeah, that weapon is probably not out of date. I believe with your full suit of chainmailyou should be able to solo well too.

[Evets_Kw]

<DIV>At 23, I currently have just two pieces of plate.. rest is chain.  why?  Better stats and it cost less - I still have AC of 1260+  (IIRC it was probably about 950 - 1000 at level 20) I'll upgrade to plate eventually.. but right now, I'd lose more in stats than I would gain in AC.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>oh and I found its not the colour of the mob thats important.  I can take 3x (probably more) green level 19s no problem, a level 19 green^^ no problem.. but a mob conning green, with one more level under its belt and I'm dead.  Never really paid attention to a mobs actual level until TS... everything changed at level 20 (IMO).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My crafting isn't so high, but I've harvested while soloing.. and selling this stuff isn't much of a problem.  At weekends (when servers are actually up) you'll find people clammering to buy those items, if you don't overprice stuff.  Since you won't leave your pc on unattended, just give it 45 minutes or so during peak times - and make sure your inventory is loaded - should be no problem making some gold.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Short on cash.. spend it wisely.  Always check the blackmarket.  I have been able to get adept 1s for a few SILVER from this place.. turns out the evil folk aren't so greedy <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oh and thanks, I have a RL too, and I work full time and have a house to look after... oh and yeah, I very rarely  group.  I harvest, tradeskill, sell and do the same on another character.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Malaki]

<DIV>Begrudgingly sat for 6 hours selling a stack of basic app3's (16 total),  i still have 9 left.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This was during prime time GMT.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>also tried Blackmarket, no adepts and average price of 35-40SP for App 3's</DIV>

[Zabumt]

<DIV>Try selling raw resources.  Tier 3 for about 3 silver a unit.  You'll be raking in the gold in no time.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm a 28 Templar in full quest armor, and full yellow jewlery from doing just that.  Yes, it takes some time and some haggling but it's not impossible.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Zabumtik on <span class=date_text>12-20-2004</span> <span class=time_text>02:05 AM</span>

[Malaki]

<DIV>I dont mine on TS atm, last time i was there i was attempting to mine 15 gold for my wholesaler, 3 hours and only 2 gold clusters.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Plus market already has a load of resources on it atm so i think it is a stagnant area.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Im happy selling basic App3's atm although a bit hit and miss atm.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Malaki]

<DIV>Subject Closed</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Templar deleted</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ps Thank you to the people that posted informative posts on here.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Neona]

I haven't read the complete thread but I'll add my experience aswell:I'm a level 22 Woodelf Templar wearing full plate except for one part that is still cordovan armor (My AC is about 980). I rarely join groups as I find I can advance just as quick most of the time when soloing. If I join a group, then I prefer a group of friends that use voice chat instead of typing all the time to coordinate our actions. Monsters I can kill alone range from green to red (Note: some red monsters are easier than other orange or yellow monsters, you gotta try them out and maybe flee if you see that you cannot win). I can take it up with green groups up to 4, 2 green^ or 1 green^^, although those fights usually last too long because I run out of power before all are killed. I have the 2 permanent shield spells cast on me (Daring and ?don't remember name?) all the time plus Redoubt. Before a combat I cast BoV on myself and wait a few seconds before starting the battle so that I have full power again. Then it's the same as for most of you: 0 - Click melee combat icon 1 - Radient Strike 2 - HO 3 - A.Smite 4 - Radient Strike 5 - Maybe BoV, Combat healing or a Debuff 6 - Goto 2 When out of mana: 1 - Melee attack 2 - BoV if needed or charge up enough Power to do a 2x RadianceA note about the use of Radient Strike vs A.Smite: Sofar, at level 22, I found that for me, Radient Strike still does more damage than A.Smite. Especially against undead, I only use Radient Strike, even with the pauses when the spell has to charge up again. The undead bonus damage you get is really worth it, and you can still attack with your normal weapon or cast another spell during that wait. Also, Radient Strike costs less Power than A.Smite wich makes it more useful if you ran out of power. You need less power to do a [HO, Radient Strike, Radient Strike] than a [HO, A.Smite, A.Smite].Later on I know that A.Smite (still orange for me) will deal better damage than Radient Strike (blue at the moment). At that time I'll do A.Smites instead.As a last note: The spell Radience: it has the same effect as Soothing Sermon. The difference is that it is cast instantly, costs no mana, and you can only use it every 30 mins. Well, I use this spell only when I _know_ that I _will_ win a fight or before fleeing. That way, when enemies still hit you while you run away, you get healed, and your chances of Dying are dramatically reduced.*** EDIT: Wrong spell names have been changed ***Sorry for all the bad spelling, I wrote this at work in a hurry <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Mijeer - Wood elf - level 22 - Templar - Oggok<p>Message Edited by Neonana on <span class=date_text>12-24-2004</span> <span class=time_text>08:40 AM</span>

[Heiro]

<DIV>Believe in the above posters post, substitue Radiance with Radiant Strike.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lvl 22 Templar,  AC 1372 self buffed.</DIV> <DIV>Hitpoints 1112 self buffed</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Player crafted Pristine Steel Vanguard Plate ( better than AQ armor)</DIV> <DIV>---- in regards to needing Upgrading to Vanguard at lvl 20, check with the higher lvl tank types... alot of them get Feysteel drops that they use and may have some hand me downs that they would be willing to give.  OR  offer raw resources to an armorer in exchange for some armor.. I personally have traded armor for a couple of stacks of Carbonite ... just for the convenience of not having to go harvest it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Adept 3's -- while harvesting, I hit everything .. stones, ores, trees, shrubs, roots... use what I can .. trade what I cant...  have gotten a few nice rares throughout the runs, and those provided my components for the adept 3's .. trade a jasper for a coral and some change.. everyone is happy.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>if no rares to be had,  App 3's .. again Scholars will more than likely be willing to trade you raw resources for finished products,  just get on the crafting channel and ask if anyone is grinding and interested in making a swap.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I know some people can have a hard time getting item upgrades, but if your friendly , polite, patient, and willing to help .. most crafters will help you out.. the ones who dont.. well, remember .. they need healing too <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Heiro on <span class=date_text>12-23-2004</span> <span class=time_text>07:17 AM</span>

[Celestian_]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Malaki wrote:<BR> <DIV>Does soloing become impossible to a lvl 20+ templar.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>ATM i cant even solo whites, and even have trouble with Blues/Greens sometimes.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Not sure what the problem is but at level 32 I can solo mobs +5 levels above me (+6 is red) as long as they are solo.</P> <P>I start with the debuff to divine resists. Then unload with combative faith and then HO... repeat.</P> <P>I do have Master 1 Combative Faith (does 450-600 total damage over all) so that might give me a bit of a edge on some but I definately would solo yellow and low oranges before I got it as well.</P> <P><BR> </P>