Rebuke vs Disgrace

[Quendinai]

<DIV>Dont know if anyone has noticed this, but disgrace doesnt seem to do that much. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Is this spell ment to be an upgrade to Rebuke?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When i rebuke a mob, my Ranger friend gets backstabs of 275 + ( at lvl 24) in stead of </DIV> <DIV>the normal 100-150 dmg. When i Disgrace a mob the dmg doesnt seem to go up at all.</DIV> <DIV>When stacking them i dont see the any increase in dmg then when i only Rebuke the mob.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Is there a point in casting Disgrace?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Rgds,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Quen</DIV>

[Sen]

<DIV>Okay, Yes there is a very good point in casting disgrace.  It lowers the magic resists of the mob and lowers ac. If any casters cast spells their dmg goes up.  I have noticed that rebuke and disgrace stack and work well together.  I tested it by meleeing on mobs. With no debuffs i do about 8 dmg, then disgrace 13 dmg and then rebuke+disgrace 15 dmg.   I cant remember just rebuke though... Although i do know for a fact that magical dps will increase from casting disgrace too.  I can't remember much else... so thats all i know. I just got it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> .</DIV>

[Nyat]

<DIV>If you look at the spell descriptions, they both do different things in addition to debuffing AC.  Rebuke lowers AC and lowers divine mitigation, and disgrace lowers AC and lowers arcane mitigation.  I might have those switched around but I don't think so.  I use disgrace when there are nukers in the party and rebuke when I nuke.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-- Nyatar</DIV>

[Gwynet]

<DIV>I think it's just the same problem than with most spells. Ie, if you have app3 of rebuke but only the app2 of disgrace, it might take a couple levels before disgrace gets better. But it does.</DIV>