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[Dalvar]

<DIV>I am fine with sony's vision of all healers being equal, I do feel though that Templars are getting the shaft here because of their severe lack of utility.</DIV> <DIV>If i were a shaman i would have slows, wards, heals, dots, debuffs, buffs,  nukes, animal forms bear, snake, bird etc...</DIV> <DIV>As a templar i get heals, reactive heals, buffs, debuffs and downright crappy nukes... hmmm it sure doesnt stack up well now does it ?  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If my healing is equal why dont i have all the extra goodies other priests get ? where is my slow, shape shifting, dots etc ?</DIV> <DIV>Oh yes, i get armor....but wait the shaman and druid get more hp then us so isnt that basicly equal in the end aswell ?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am only a level 28 Templar but i just dont see things being equal at all.</DIV>

[Dalvar]

<DIV>Hmm this was supposed to be a response in another thread.....i donno whats up <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Glorfindel]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dalvaril wrote:<BR> <DIV>I am fine with sony's vision of all healers being equal, I do feel though that Templars are getting the shaft here because of their severe lack of utility.</DIV> <DIV>If i were a shaman i would have slows, wards, heals, dots, debuffs, buffs,  nukes, animal forms bear, snake, bird etc...</DIV> <DIV>As a templar i get heals, reactive heals, buffs, debuffs and downright crappy nukes... hmmm it sure doesnt stack up well now does it ?  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If my healing is equal why dont i have all the extra goodies other priests get ? where is my slow, shape shifting, dots etc ?</DIV> <DIV>Oh yes, i get armor....but wait the shaman and druid get more hp then us so isnt that basicly equal in the end aswell ?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am only a level 28 Templar but i just dont see things being equal at all.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Well, I'm a 30 Mystic and I'll go through your list point-by-point. </P> <P>Our slows are nothing compared to what they were in EQ1 (granted they are useful, but the difference is not noticable unless you're me, it's maybe a 15-20% slow with my adept 1 lvl 25 spell). I've never noticed <STRONG>any</STRONG> difference after casting my str/sta debuff or my elemental/poison debuff (neither have the casters on this one). You guys actually have better nukes than I do and roughly the same dots (although that might be inquisitors, I can't keep my clerics straight). My best dot was something like lvl 15, does around 60/tick. I got a new dot at lvl 28 that does quite a bit less (40ish/tick at adept1), and my best nuke hits for 50 (yes, 50. I get a new one at 36 or so).</P> <P>My buffs give secondary stats (strength, power, and poison/disease resistance mostly, a little tiny bit of HP and AC) while yours give much better HP and AC, which are much more sought after. And I personally loathe my animal forms - I want to see the nice weapons and armor graphics SOE spent so much time on, but I get some decent hp/ac/power from bear form (like 50 of each, nothing way overpowering). Bear form is too big for a dungeon (I've had a grp wipe because my big bear booty blocked the MT's view of a chest, rogue set off mez trap as MT was pulling), so I put bird form over top of that. You know what advantages bird form give me? None except for the fact that you can actually see around it. I don't even get safefall as a [Removed for Content] bird, and I make the most annoying squaking sound you've ever heard when I get hit.</P> <P>Now let's talk wards and RH's. Your RH's heal more hp than our wards block, they have a longer duration, and they <STRONG>heal after ac mitigation</STRONG>. Our wards block damage <STRONG>before ac mitigation</STRONG>. Finally, I've done some comparisons and note-checking, and our quick heals are roughly the same.</P> <P>Let's get all this straight - I don't feel shafted as a shaman and I thoroughly enjoy my class, but you sure as hell shouldn't feel shafted as a cleric. All that BS about all 3 priest classes healing equally is just that - BS. You guys have a big edge over us. You make it sound like all you can possibly do is heal while we get all these incredibly wonderful things, which is not the case.</P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by Glorfindel85 on <span class=date_text>12-13-2004</span> <span class=time_text>12:12 AM</span>

[khrokh]

I tend to agree with glorfindel on that one. Templar are suffering from a few spellbugs (SP efficiency and Intercession AD3) but it is probably the case for every single class. As a templar I have usually no problems keeping my group healed as the only priest while fighting mobs that are average 6-7 levels above me (i'm the lowest level of the group, others con the mobs orange usually). I haven't seen may other groups that used a druid or a shaman derivate as only healer in their group in the same areas.Templar is definitely not a weak healing class, and in the current state i have the feeling it is probably the most powerfull (with inquisitor).Only thing i regreat is not having any mean to generate high agro (like wards do) so my heavy armor isn't a big benefit. I never steal agro using reactive heals and if i want to tank, i usually loose the agro around mid fight (unless it is a trigered spawn, in that case i keep it). Interrupts while tanking are enough to prevent you casting intercession most of the time but not enough to stop you casting BoV.The Clank (cleric-tank) is back

[Glorfindel]

<DIV>Wards generate about the same aggro as RH's do. Actually, the druids and clerics usually take aggro before I do. If I want aggro for any reason I use a group instant heal.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't know what level you are, but I can solo heal pretty far into Runnyeye no problem as long as the group has adequate DPS. I don't really know how strong your RH's are because my wards completely block them >.< The data I used to say that RH's heal more than wards block was taken from a post on the mystic board.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On a side note, cleric/shaman does not work well at all as a healing duo. Just doesn't work.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Glorfindel85 on <SPAN class=date_text>12-13-2004</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>12:41 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Glorfindel85 on <span class=date_text>12-13-2004</span> <span class=time_text>12:43 PM</span>

[rtoub]

<DIV>I have found Cleric/Shaman works as well as all the other combos including Cleric/Cleric.  Both healers just have to adjust their healing styles. Shaman need to know that they have some time to recast the ward because the reactive will cover and the same the other way around.  In between both have more time to debuff or nuke whatever other non-healing spells they have.  Tanks are really happy when both cast instant heals and they go from red to green in seconds.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I just learn from experience and watch the power level of the other healer.  If I have too much then I adjust to heal more.  If they have too much then I back off and let them heal more.  After a couple mobs things get in sync and all is good.  That is assuming the other healer is doing their job well of course.  If they aren't then I just ignore them and they are dead weight in the party.</DIV>

[duk4]

<DIV>I see alot of complaining on the Templar board about being underpowered or another healing class having way more advantages, but personly i don't see it.  I think alot of this stems from EQ1.  It seems to me alot of people chose the cleric class because they wanted to be the end all be all healer like it was in EQ1.  Sony changed this so now all the priests classes are able to keep a group alive as easily as a cleric can( I know that there is alot of debate about this but that's how it's supposed to be).  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> I have a lvl 20 temp and a 20 mystic just so i could compare the two, I also wasn't sure wich healer I wanted to play.  They both are good at what they do, keeping the group alive.  I have noticed that my mystic teams up better with a brawler class than a warrior or crusader.  While my templar does better with the plate wearing classes.  I am guessing this is because the wards work better with avoidance while my reactives work better with mitigation.   Although i am going to stick with my Templar mostly cause I LOVE platemail.  Going to delete my Mystic just cause i only get 4 slots and thats just not enough, **mods 4 teh win!!1!** U SONY.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for cleric and shaman classes not working well together, Bah!  Early on they cancel each out out quit a bit.  But once i started going to stormhold and TS and fighting mobs that hit really hard a cleric and shaman work great together.  Cast reactive heal and ward on the main tank, when the reactive starts going off the shaman has a few more seconds to cast a ward, wich gives them more time to debuff or dot, same goes for the cleric.  There will be a little loss in healing effenciencey sometimes but when the mobs are hitting real hard or there are alot of them the two together actually give the cleric and shaman time to think and not just spam wards or reactives.  </DIV>

[Glorfindel]

<DIV>I'll grant that they do work together, albeit somewhat more inefficiently... however, once I got my second ward, there never became any reason for the MT's ward to drop, except for perhaps 1 or 2 hits. The druid HoT line is much better for filling the MT back up in this case. Most of the time I am duo healing with a cleric, but when I do it with a druid it's noticably more efficient.</DIV>