Shield Skills

[amie]

<DIV>Hey Gang!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Do we ever get to use round shields?  Or are we stuck with bucklers forever?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I would imagine its juts bucklers cause I won a real nice round shield last night!  <CRIES></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks!</DIV>

[Kulrea]

<DIV>i gotta say, i been wondering the same thing</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Clerics can't use shields ? seems crazy stuff .... I would have thought we'd be able to use nearly all of them </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>there doesn't seem to be any good bucklers about as yet .... and tablets and symbols have no ac whatsoever</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i'm not whinging, but am a little perplexed</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Academe</DIV> <DIV>31 Templar</DIV>

[Sanans]

I agree with you. Templars should be able to use atleast kite shields, maybe not tower shields those are for tanks but we are stuck with bucklers like the lighter armored priest classes! That just doesn't make sense.

[Ar-Cunin]

<DIV>I feedbacked the following idea.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Let shield follow armor class - buckler for light armor (druid), round shield for medium armor (shaman) and kite shield for heavy armor (cleric). Finally let the tanks keep the tower shields to themselves.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This will allow more shield in the game to be of use instead of just vendor-trash. What melee class will use a round shield - with similar stats when they can get a tower shield with double the AC.</DIV>

[khrokh]

Ar-cunin, i am going to feedback your idea too <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.

[Facie]

<DIV>Yeah, the notion of my holy warrior wearing FULL PLATE an carrying a tiny buckler is a bizarre.  </DIV>

[Gwynet]

<DIV>I think it's fine the way it is. Too many warriors are complaining that we are getting the same armor as them, if we had the same shields it would be the last straw <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Sorry, but they need to have some advantages over us.</DIV>

[JF]

<DIV>They do heh, a crap load of HP and skills lol.</DIV>

[RioR]

<DIV>Actually even the crusaders can not use all the shield types. They are capped at kite shield. I would see no problem with clerics at least getting round shields. Least they would look more fitting. SOE has taken a few wierd stances in some of these classes. </DIV>

[Danm]

The answer is pretty simple, I think. Some high level bucklers should just have the graphic of other shields, like kite for instance. That way, we get a cool looking shield without stepping on the toes of the tank classes.-Dan

[IlluvatorBrightst]

Personally I like the buckler. Look at your casting animations, it'd be REALLY hard to cast something with anything heavier than a buckler strapped on your arm <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[JF]

<DIV>The buckler looks so smalllll though, how can that block anything :p</DIV>

[duk4]

<DIV>Shield? what is this you speak of?  Give me a HUGE hammer, and I mean HUGE, if some puny gnome can lift it it's too small.  </DIV>

[IlluvatorBrightst]

JFiz, think of it more as deflection :p

[amie]

<DIV>Hehe....I wasn't exactly complaining <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Was just curious if we ever get another shield skill....I don't mind one way or the other, but have a nice round shield in the bank I would love to be able to use someday, but will find a happy for home for it if I never get the ability <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Bobbubski]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IlluvatorBrightstar wrote:<BR>Personally I like the buckler. Look at your casting animations, it'd be REALLY hard to cast something with anything heavier than a buckler strapped on your arm <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> good point, actually

[The Da]

<DIV>I never use a sheild, only tomes/idols/cesturns, or whatever theitr called, (my favorite because they fool noobs into think you're dual weilding morningstar/maces :=P). I like being a walking IV drip for tanks and i don't believe sheilds to be of any use really, unless it has a great wisdom bonus. I've seen absolutely NO buckler drops at all and i've been through RE, zek, nektropos castle, just to name a few. I have tanked mobs for a group before (when the MT LD'd 0_o) but i haven't carried a sheild since the low 20s and don't plan to considering the collection idols/tablets (+8 and +10 to wi!!) I've gathered. That's my 2 cents.</DIV>

[Gwynet]

<DIV>I totally agree that bucklers are way way too rare. There is one from a quest in Baubbleshire (ac 24 and a few stats), I've seen one drop once from a named gnoll in Thundering Steppes (ac 74 or so, 6 wisdom, 13ish hp/power), and that's about it. The only other ones I have seen are the statless crap that drops in lots of zones, or the crafted ones (which are pretty good). A 40ish buckler drops somewhere though, I saw it on the broker for cheap and grabbed it for when I can finally use it. I don't remember the stats off hand, but it's 160ish AC and 25ish HP/power. It doesn't seem that any secondary item has resists for some reason.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On a side note, bucklers are not the only items there seems to be a shortage of, heavy gloves, arms, shoulders and boots come to mind. I wouldn't go as far as saying that itemization is pretty lame in this game but I'm getting there.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Gwynet on <span class=date_text>12-17-2004</span> <span class=time_text>02:39 PM</span>

[khrokh]

There is a nice buckler that drops of nektulos giants. I used it from ~25 to 34.But in the end i have seen extremly few bucklers compared to symbols and other kind of shields (besides round shield).

[Daissen]

<DIV>     I didn't like this either, whenever you see a picture of a templar in a book or magazine he invariably has a white tower or kite shield with a red cross on it. Who does Sony think they are taking away hundreds. Also Gwyn I don't agree with you about being as good as warriors. We may have nearly comparable AC but it isn't like we have all their combat skills, dodges, and the like. If you are a good cleric the shield never comes into use anyway, I just want it for graphics. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Evets_Kw]

<DIV>Well before people get to uppity with the lack of shields for Templars... I'm pretty sure Templars wore chainmail!  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I also believe they used kite shields.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Having said this, I have no problem with how we are currently set but I do agree there needs to be a greater number of items for bucklers, etc.  Not necessarily dropped either.  Personally I'd like to see more recipes added with differing variations on ac and stat bonuses.</DIV>

[So]

<DIV>Larger shields for Templars not only fit with the heavily armoured ethos, but they also help us make up for terrible HP. Playing last night with my 23 Templar, I noticed my HP was only a little more than (50 hp?) a wizard of one level lower! Does that make us battle mages or something?</DIV>

[Paddyo]

<DIV>Since Pallies and Sk's now are able to use Tower shields, I think Templars and Inquisitors should get at least round shields to equip.  Personally, I think plate healers should get kite shields, chain healers should get round shields (since round shields are basically a chain class shield otherwise....besides, you wanna convince me bards are singing and carrying a round shield?  Lip syncing maybe....)  and leather healers get bucklers.  But, this will be harder to convince the devs to even consider implementing, so for now I am BEGGING that plate healers, at least, get the ability to use the round shield. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Why?  well, to up our avoidance. I'm looking for the High end no trade fabled bucklers, and I am coming up empty.  Ive seen some nice fabled round shields drop in KOS, but who really uses them?  (MOST raiding scouts DON'T before you start ranting to me about soloing brigands and swashy's). </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Priests, probably more than any other class except heavy tanks, tend to rely on shields and symbols.  Give us something worth using</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Paddyo</DIV> <DIV>70/70/50</DIV> <DIV>Woodworker, Templar of The Inquisition</DIV> <DIV>Antonia Bayle</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Quijonsith]

Hey Paddyo, didn't expect to see you here (it's goddli).  Yes, there is a round shield priests can use, but it's in T7.  It's The Bulwark of the Brave.  I have one and it has a lil over 600 protection on it.  Goes great with shield ally.  Crusaders aren't "able to use" tower shields now, there simply happen to be tower shields that specifically say they can also be used by paladins or sk's.  Just like the Bulwark of the Brave says "all priests" in addition to the other users.<div></div>

[Supernova17]

<blockquote><hr>Quijonsith wrote:  Crusaders aren't "able to use" tower shields now, there simply happen to be tower shields that specifically say they can also be used by paladins or sk's. <div></div><hr></blockquote>Yes they are...where have you been? Crusaders are able to use tower shields now to help close up the gap in avoidance between them and Warriors. Look at Tier7 for example, 99.9% of Tower Shields that drop are useable by both Warriors and Crusaders. Heck, the Epic Qeynos Claymore reward Tower Shield "the Qeynos Guard" is Paladin / SK usable. I'm trying to find the LU update where they specifically mentioned it =)<div></div>

[-Priorit]

doesnt seem like the question was answered...<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> amie81 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Hey Gang!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Do we ever get to use round shields?  Or are we stuck with bucklers forever?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I would imagine its juts bucklers cause I won a real nice round shield last night!  <CRIES></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks!</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>the answer believe it or not is yes. There are a very select few round shields that can be found usable to healer classes. I found one on the broker (but sold it before buckler nerf) that was a level 55 treasured, with 642 protection. When the buckler nerf was made i was miserable. </P> <P>Fortuanately, I am on a pvp server and was able to buy a PvP round shield with 740ish mitigation (not logged on atm so dont know exact number) though the HoF shield with 398 protection and 5 defense comes up just short of this one.</P> <P>The long short of it is the HoF shield is your best bet unless you can find something that breaks about 750-800 protection.</P>

[Quijonsith]

<div><blockquote><hr>Supernova17 wrote:<blockquote><hr>Quijonsith wrote:  Crusaders aren't "able to use" tower shields now, there simply happen to be tower shields that specifically say they can also be used by paladins or sk's. <div></div><hr></blockquote>Yes they are...where have you been? Crusaders are able to use tower shields now to help close up the gap in avoidance between them and Warriors. Look at Tier7 for example, 99.9% of Tower Shields that drop are useable by both Warriors and Crusaders. Heck, the Epic Qeynos Claymore reward Tower Shield "the Qeynos Guard" is Paladin / SK usable. I'm trying to find the LU update where they specifically mentioned it =)<div></div><hr></blockquote>/sighWhen one says "xxx class can use tower shields" it means that xxx class can use ANY tower shield.  A LOOOOONG time ago an update came out specifying such things as "warriors -> tower shield, crusaders -> kite shield, scouts -> round shield, priest -> buckler".   Only now in KoS are there any shield breaking that rule as SOE decided to add SPECIFIC shields that can be used by classes that other wise could not use them.  Case in point, I only know of one round shield usable by priests and it's the Bulwark of the Brave, which fits the description the person above me cited (not including PvP server items as I'm not on a PvP server).Unfortunately more and more items are dropping that are specific to only one or two classes so the definition layed down so long ago seems to be getting blurred away.  Regardless, crusaders aren't "able to use" tower shields (saying such is a general term meaning all tower shields), there are just specific ones that they get to use.So to clarify to the OP, priests don't simply get to use round shields in general, but there are atleast one (or two on PvP server) that we do get to use.</div>

[KniteShayd]

<P>/agree</P> <P>need at least round shields, max kites.</P> <P>bucklers really make no sense.  imho, they should be merged into the round shield category.  at least Priests get the SBS which is nominally larger than most bucklers.</P>

[WulfricGreyBeard]

"Yeah, the notion of my holy warrior wearing FULL PLATE an carrying a tiny buckler is a bizarre. "Not at all. That is exactly how the evolution of armor went. In the crusades it was mostly chain and a shield similar to the kite shield. As plate began to develop, little could pentrate it and the shield got smaller. There was less need for it. This is also when hammers and maces came onto the battlefield. You couldn't pentrate plate easily and weapons that could would get stuck but you could majorly ring somebody's bell, then stab him in a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] or capture him when he is down,  or dent armor breaking bones beneath it with a hammer. Full plate buckler and hammer was pretty common. Eventually people saw the buckler was useless and went to 2H weapons. Plate meant superior protection over chain and much less need for a shield. Wearing chain would prevent glancing blows but not direct hits. So the sheild was needed. Plate would protect against a direct hit. Sheilds were less needed.  The image of plate and a kite shield would have been uncommon. It exist to us because of the movies showing jousters in plate with kite shields. Historically it would have been chain. Actaully a tower shield and plate is really bizarre. The Romans were about the only people to use tower shields and they were highly effective in tight formations. It made a formation almost inpentrable. Much less effective as an individual. They had something like plate chest armor but were lightly armored because Roman warfare depended on speed. The image of a templar to me is always chain and a kite shield considering the order died before full plate was common, well as common as it ever would be. <div></div>

[Bjerde]

<div></div><div></div>There is one Tower shield for Templars (and other healers). There is also a mage shield in T7, can't remember what it is called though.The [IMG] tag wasn't working for me, but here is a link to photobuckethttp://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m139/sunnyknoll/shield.gif<div></div><p>Message Edited by Bjerde on <span class="date_text">09-13-2006</span> <span class="time_text">07:57 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Bjerde on <span class=date_text>09-13-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:04 AM</span>

[EQAditu]

<div></div>Live Update #24 Notes:<blockquote><hr size="2" width="100%">- The Blazing Shield of Heat Reflection <b></b>can no longer be equipped by priests.<hr size="2" width="100%"></blockquote><span>:smileysad:</span><div></div>

[Bjerde]

sonofa...<div></div>

[Quijonsith]

<div><blockquote><hr>EQAditu wrote:<div></div>Live Update #24 Notes:<blockquote><hr size="2" width="100%">- The Blazing Shield of Heat Reflection <b></b>can no longer be equipped by priests.<hr size="2" width="100%"></blockquote><span>:smileysad:</span><div></div><hr></blockquote>gah!  just when I read about this amazing sheild, BAM.  update notes reminder.  Oh i wish i coulda tried that baby out.</div>