Too many templars... Is it just Guk?

[Gwynet]

<DIV>In the last 3 days, I haven't been able to get a group at all outside guild. It seems that everytime I am lfg there is at least one or two more templars lfg, making sometimes a third of the lfg list for people around my level.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Is it just bad luck? I'm starting to feel that lots of players went for templar because they assumed they would be the best healers and it would be easy to find a group, and as a result it's actually the opposite. It's getting frustrating, I can go hours without getting any invite.</DIV>

[Shaman]

<DIV>Reroll!... <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> , haven't had that problem on Black Burrow... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Delornden</DIV> <DIV>24 Templar of Black Burrow</DIV>

[Gaili]

I have only encountered a couple other's on AB. Sorry <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Gailin

[Atanvar]

Templars aren't common on my server. They're there but it seems most went the way of the polymorpher.<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[ThikNogg]

<DIV>Im on Mistmoore, the most populated server (before the split..dunno about now), and almost as soon as I go LFG I get 2-3 tells or invites to groups. </DIV>

[Ender]

Alot of templars on Antonia Bayle. . .but none of them ever have LFG. Templars are still in demand in AB. I'm a little worried because there is a difference between players who know how to play their Templars and players who just doesn't have a clue how to play their toon. I'm afraid of Templars who don't know what they're doing which can ruin it for the other Templars when trying to find groups.

[Epon]

<DIV>Templars are a dime a dozen on Najena. Im actually making a Kerran Templar as my main, and leaving my Warden to collet dust for a bit. I think the reason being is that Templar is the closest thing to an EQL cleric, and thuse most people who played a cleric play a templar. I also see that they have more healing spells than any other priest class, making them a bit more valuable. Although I believe that Fury is the next most common, followed by Warden, then both Shaman classes.</DIV>

[Ar-Cunin]

<DIV>It seems fairly balanced on Lucan D'Lere between the three branches of healing.</DIV>

[IlluvatorBrightst]

Dunno how it is up where you are Gwynet, but for me it seems when I'm outside of guild for groups, doesn't take me longer than 5-10 minutes to get a decent one lately. Even though templars do seem more common, then shamans. Druids seem VERY rare lately.

[Facie]

<DIV>healers of ALL flavors are common on Kithicor.  in fact, i may start a scout (who are never seen).  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Gwynet]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IlluvatorBrightstar wrote:<BR>Dunno how it is up where you are Gwynet, but for me it seems when I'm outside of guild for groups, doesn't take me longer than 5-10 minutes to get a decent one lately. Even though templars do seem more common, then shamans. Druids seem VERY rare lately.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Seems to be an issue at 30+ atm. I agree there are not many druids, I have grouped with one ONCE since I started.

[RioR]

<DIV>I see many /ooc "group needs a healer...or...group needs a cleric" on Permafrost. It is having me think about rolling up a priest, maybe a templar.</DIV>

[IlluvatorBrightst]

I don't know what it is about Druids being rare, personally if I am to have a second healer in the group, I prefer druids hands down. Only decent one I've grouped with outside of guild though was Crowyn... there just too few.As to the templar abundance, I suppose I sorta saw it coming so try and get tanks to remember my name <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> As such I find myself with the same tank lots.

[Taneu]

<DIV>I am a Templar on Guk and there do seem to be quite a few of us running around.  However, I think that is slowly dwindling as people will pick out who they prefer to group with as they figure out who will keep them alive.  I know there have been times where I throw the LFG flag on and I get 3 - 4 tells right off the bat.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think like anything else people play them for a bit then give up, or don't get into groups due to bad reputations.</DIV>

[Petra720]

<DIV><FONT color=#9933cc>Doesn't seem to be a problem on the Oasis server either, although there does seem to be a shortage of players being 30+.  I play with my rl husband who is a 32 guardian so we always have a duo team, but there does seem to be a lack of players lfg when we go to looking for players to join us to make a full group. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#9933cc></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#9933cc>Petra</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#9933cc>31 Templar</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#9933cc>Oasis Server</FONT></DIV>

[Nen]

<DIV>I'm on the Neriak server, and I'm a Templar. I have no trouble getting groups. I get tells even when I don't have LFG up, seeing if I want to come join other groups.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm usually having to turn people away.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Venin</DIV> <DIV>Level 20 Templar, Neriak.</DIV>

[Gwynet]

<DIV>Last night again, /who all lfg 32 40 showed 5 healers, including 2 templars, out of 7 people. It's getting frustrating. /who all fury shows 64 or so, /who all warden 41, /who all mystic 61, /who all templar is cut at 100.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Guess I'm levelling my bard lol.</DIV>

[Ghedrain]

Gwyn is right, Guk is horribly overrun with Templars. I usually sit lfg for a while before i get a tell. Lately i've been crafting in Qeynos while lfg just to use the time. Sometimes i get and invite only to be shot down when they realize i'm all the way in Qeynos and there's 2 or 3 Templars lfg closer. Just to give an example, we have 23 people in our guild and 5 are Templars between 25 and 35 and theres 2 druids and 1 shaman. Thinking about going brigand or something.

[Taneu]

<DIV>That is true there are alot of Templars on GUK.  I think things will eventually even out.  The average server level still shows relatively low.  So hopefully with time that will change and the Templar population will thin out for those of us that want to stick with it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Taneuro on <span class=date_text>12-16-2004</span> <span class=time_text>06:41 AM</span>

[Gobbwin]

<DIV>Fairly balanced on Befallen, maby slightly to the fewer templars end (we've a ton of inquisitors though).  Depends on when you log and whats going on, I rarely go LFG for very long, though I have seen several times where several were LFG, but usually not for long.  Just check several zones and instances of those zones, you'll get picked up much faster than just sitting by the guards shouting.  </DIV>

[Gwynet]

<DIV>I'm pretty depressed by the situation on Guk honestly. Oh well I love my bard.</DIV>

[asmodeus51]

I think we have a Templar shortage on Permafrost. I'm level 25 and as soon as I step into Thundering Steppes with LFG on my head, I'm getting at least 4 invites to various parties. I've even been paid by some people to stay in the party, my Templar class makes me more money then being a provisioner, lol.

[VandurLast]

<DIV>yeah im an inquisitor on najena and it sure seems that at least a third of the Freeport population is a healer of some kind.</DIV> <DIV>Its a bit of a problem, so im actually considering starting over as a Scout or Mage in Qeynos.</DIV>

[Ond]

For Rynnyeye it seems pretty split, there's not an abundance of healers (unfortunately not tanks either <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ), but those LFG in the 20-30 range it all kinds.

[The Da]

<DIV>Blackburrow server has more mystics than templars, and the templars are mainly low level.I'm one of the few 30+ templars on the server (there's maybe a dozen), it seemss and rarely without a group, mainly because i seem to be on a lot of friends lists and people seem to think i knowwhat I'm doing. Inqs seem to be fairly popular, but i've noticed people aren't very fond of them.</DIV>

[Nen]

<DIV>I have a great idea: Wouldn't it be nice if - when you chose your class in game, a window pops up from the server, showing overall class type populations, server wide, so that you can know if you are about to choose an overpopulated class? This would show you stats of 'number of created' class, even for people not currently online.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ie., this would be just like the server population screen when you go to choose a decent server for a new character, only this time, it's for class types, so that players can help keep the game balanced through voluntary cooperation!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Luckily for me, Templars are in demand on Neriak, so I seem to be quite popular whenever I want a group. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Venin</DIV> <DIV>Level 21 Templar</DIV> <DIV>Neriak</DIV>

[Ogrelicio]

<DIV>I'm on Lucan, and the last /who I did returned to [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] many Templars vs other healing classes.  I should have been a defiler.</DIV>

[Cef]

<DIV>Woops, i made a double message ^^; <deleting> this one.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cefir</DIV><p>Message Edited by Cefir on <span class=date_text>12-17-2004</span> <span class=time_text>03:46 PM</span>

[Cef]

<DIV>The 'problem' that a templar will have a 'hard' time, to get  a group will stay, if i look at the 'eq-system' with 4 main archetypes and assume that those archetypes are equally popular to play and the priestarchetypes have equal healpowers compared to eachother. </DIV> <DIV>This means that -on average- u will have to compete with 25% off all players who are also healers when looking for a group if i assume that  -on average- 25% from all people looking for a group are healingclasses. Those are just theoretical and logical numbers i guess...The reality could be that those numbers are different, but i think it is highly unlikely that there will be a unlogical classdistribution like, 35% priests, 15% fighters, 30 % scouts and 20% mages on the server one plays on. </DIV> <DIV>Lately, i think that it is also hard to get a team (i am level 30 atm) and i don t think it has to do with being a templar (and it also has nothing to do with the your 'reputation'),  but with the 'fact' that -at the passing of levels- more and more people realise that every 'priesttype' heals equally, which means that the aforementioned 'statement that one templar (healer) competes with 25% of everyone who is looking for a team' is kicking in.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My native language is not english, so it s a bit hard to write this down in a 'readable' way.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cefir</DIV> <DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <P>Message Edited by Cefir on <SPAN class=date_text>12-17-2004</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:47 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Cefir on <span class=date_text>12-17-2004</span> <span class=time_text>03:48 PM</span>

[Auria]

<DIV>            Well, I don't know about other servers, but I play on Guk, just like Gwynet, and yes - there are too many Templars there, and too many priests in general. Level 30+ on Guk for a healer of any type, but Templar especially is easily 50% lfg time. The problem gets even worse when you approach or pass level 40, as most people there have an established "static" xp group, the same 6, every night.</DIV> <DIV>            Gwynet isn't imagining an abundance of Guk Templars, there is a huge shortage of tanks that are of an appropriate level, and too many priests to make everything run smoothly. The only thing that helps is that people still prefer the cleric/shaman combination, meaning sooner or later (usually hours later) the lfg will result in a mediocre pickup group. Honestly, if you want zero downtime on Guk, roll a tank or shaman.</DIV>

[Cef]

<DIV>It's unlogical that there are -for example- more priests on a server then an other archetype, but i m afraid that this unlogical statement could be true :smileyhappy: . "Humans and their worlds, they are so often 'unlogical'...No, i m no vulcan!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cefir</DIV>

[Gwynet]

<DIV>Actually, it's pretty obvious that most did it so they can find a group easily. Nobody enjoyed the long lfg's in EQ1. The problem is that too many people decided to do that on Guk, lol.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I won't agree with Auria about shamans though, I seem to find lots of them lfg as well. Definitely play a tank if you want to come to Guk though (or enchanter). My bard isn't having much luck either so far.</DIV>

[Troupez]

<DIV>Try rolling another archetype and put your LFG flag up.  You will most likely be waiting a lot longer to find a group than you were as a priest.  All priest classes have an easier time finding a group in most cases.  If you do a /who "Fighter/Mage/Rogue" you will find many more of these than healers.  In any MMORPG I have played the healer is the most important, and hardest to find, member of any group.  In my personal experiences it just seems that less people roll healers because they find it boring.  I disagree with it being boring even though I am a Guardian.</DIV>

[Auria]

<DIV>With all due respect Troupez, play a level 30+ healer on Guk server, then tell me how my server is. Actually, let me cancel that request, bring your Guardian to Guk, and be my friend.</DIV>

[Gwynet]

<DIV>Honestly Troupez, not on Guk. I've had several days lately when I was lfg for two hours before giving up and playing my alt. Sure, I'm not getting a group much more easily with her, but at least I find lots of mobs to solo and I get more than 1/4 of a bub per kill.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>All those times I was lfg, there was 1 to 3 other templars lfg as well around my level. Sad really.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Gwynet on <span class=date_text>12-17-2004</span> <span class=time_text>09:51 PM</span>

[Bracke]

<DIV>please, come to Mistmoore. It's so [Removed for Content] hard to find a templar on MM. </DIV>

[KariosKas]

<DIV>Strange, we must be on at different times.  I play on Guk and whenever I start a group I usually look for a chanter first (since they're fricken impossible to find), then a healer.  Both are relatively scarce in the 35+ range within a 30 minute assembly time window.  /who all 30 50 lfg usually shows up as 5 tanks and 2 random classes for me.  Whereas most groups would be open to having 2 healers, less people would be as enthusiastic about having 2 tanks, hence all the unemployed tanks out there.</DIV>

[Auria]

<DIV>I have to admit, the problem isn't as bad during American peak hours - but seeing as I am in Germany... Also, ask Blaine or Chaotik or Gwynet, people without static xp groups, how hard it is to find a group on Guk. Also - who are you in-game? :smileyhappy:</DIV>

[Gwynet]

<DIV>I mostly play during the day too. But the last few times I played in the evening it was the same thing (but I do get more invites in the evening for sure).</DIV>

[KariosKas]

<DIV>Come to think of it, I did see Chaotik running around RV the other day for a few hours LFG... didn't invite him through cause he was too high for me :p  I'm thinking the problem is there aren't that many people in their 40's compared to those in their 20's and that makes grouping so much harder because half the 40+ groups are static/guild groups.  I do have a circle of people whom I spam to join my groups but only 1 templar in there, and he's often away watching Bruce Lee movies =/</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Karios</DIV> <DIV>36 gimped pally with no Ghoulbane</DIV> <DIV>You can usually spot my handlebar 'stache from five zones away.</DIV>

[Dreamz]

<DIV>:smileyhappy: It doesn't seem to be a problem on Oasis.  I group with the same folks most nights but always see people in Antonica looking for healers.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Dreamz]

<DIV>:smileyhappy: It doesn't seem to be a problem on Oasis.  I group with the same folks most nights but always see people in Antonica looking for healers.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Hechicera]

Well, not sure about Freeport Najena .. my druid got groups like crazy before she betrayed. In Qeynos it goes like this ...Healer 8-15 ... sometimes shocked they don't get groups fast, but the other day our alt group was wondering why we couldn't find more people and realized there wasn't anyone in the low teens on-line in the guild. Its not that healers aren't needed, just that groups in general are forming slower at low levels now.Healer 15-late 20s ... know any? can we have them? please?Healer late 20's up ... unless they have regular group they've now outlevelled the non-healers since healers are in demand enough to quickly level to the top of the exp bracket, other classes ... no.My suggestion if you are ~30-40 and a healer and want to keep your healer main is play an alt for a couple of weeks, go exploring, craft a bit. Then check back in two weeks when the the bulk of the classes that couldn't get groups like crazy 15-29 catch up to you in levels. I've seen this in other games too. The healers that weren't tied to a regular group always blew past the guilds I've been in in levels then wanted to know where the groups were. Then 2-3 weeks later the rest caught up and were all screaming about where healers went. =P

[ken]

<DIV>I'm a Lvl 23 templar.  I've gotten several tells while I am in the Starcrest city asking me if I wanted to come out to a zone and fight.  Pretty amazing if you ask me...it hasn't been a lot but its usally one every other day.  That means someone had done a /who all for healer classes and then started individual tell's to them asking them to join them.  It also would have meant a 10 minute wait for the group as I was in the city.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I was in a group with another templar yesterday and then yet another came running by and asked if they could join us.  That is unfortuate as having multiple templars in a group isn't all that effective.</DIV>

[Ci]

<DIV>On Antonia Bayle I have yet to encounter a problem.  I will admit that I have been leveling slowly (turning xp off at times trying to stay in range of friends) but in the 25-30 range I get constant tells requesting my services even if I'm already in another group.  I think I have had my LFG tag up once (for about 30 seconds).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Minuit</DIV>