Maximizing Necro DPS

[hailskins2006]

<DIV>For those necros who raid - how do you maximize your DPS?  I send in my mage pet (master), unleash the limited pets, the cycle through my DOTs, then joust with the mage pet when he is bad and starts meleeing.  I'm almost always no. 1 when my guild raids, but I'm the only necro, so it's not fair - wizzys, rangers and assissin's just can't hold a candle to us. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Just interested to find outwhat otehrs do.  Thanks and happy hunting.</DIV>

[Jasuo]

<div></div>Proc gear, beneficial buffs from others, and timing all the swarms/dumb fires/undead tide to get the maximum duration from them...as long as the frikin tank learns to keep the mobs turned and not move around.  I also keep my resists/HP/mit/avoid up as best I can so that I can stay in to use the pbaoe's more.Grouped encounter I open with torrential pestilence (as tank is getting in his spot with the mob and assist call made)...send pet/ consumption...<switch target> dumbfire...<assist>swarm pet...coil...pbaoe...lifetap...(if droag, use master strike)...pestilence (first mob usually dead)...<switch target> send pet/coil...rot...lifetap...pbaoe...(cycle lifetap/coil/rot/pbaoe till mob dead)<div></div><p>Message Edited by Jasuo on <span class=date_text>10-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:03 AM</span>

[hailskins2006]

<DIV>Good points.  Shoulda mentioned I maxed my crit damage in the STR line.  I also wonder wether its better to max the dagger AA spell or to use grizzle's walking stick.</DIV>

[Jasuo]

Grizzlefazzle's gives more dps bonus.  Other semi easy to obtain (for raiders) dps boosts are the Mystical earing from the collections, relic bp or deaggro robe, Finger-bone Menacles from Hurler, Ring of Supremacy from Fitzpizle (sp?) and Bracelet of Thule from Vilucidae.  Also try using Translucent Elixir of Second Sight for even more added crit percent chance.<div></div>

[hailskins2006]

Thanks - appreciate the tips.

[Winsarc11]

<P>Jansuo has a good rotation going but your forgetting Swarm of bats, its a lvl 35spell but an extra 100dmg dot is still a boost in dps..</P> <P> </P> <P>Basically what i do if its 2 or 1 mob i always open up with the swarm pets, then pestilence, coil, lifetap, rot, swarmbats, rot, pestilence etc....  if the first mob is dead before swarm pet timer comes back up, i pop coil, rot, swarmbats, rot, consumption, then same rotation.   I never use consumption on the same mob as my swarm pets, bc the mob goes down faster making your swarm pets not last as long.  Unless of course its a single target mob.</P> <P>Death rot is a good spell to throw in bw your long recast timers bc you can basically cast it every other spell.</P> <P>3 mobs is almost exactly the same thing as Jansuo said except a random swarm of bats thrown in evrey now and then.</P><p>Message Edited by Winsarc11 on <span class=date_text>10-06-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:53 PM</span>

[quamdar]

yeah pretty much just keep casting.  other than that just get as much proc gear as possible and keep your int at max.<div></div>

[Allowen]

<P>For a necro to maximize dps in a raid besides the fact to be in a good  grou pt oraise dps of pet and caster you need :</P> <P>1-lots of procing items such mystical earing etc and critical hit +4pct potions</P> <P>2-str aa line for sure , critical hit and parry skill up for more dps and if you get agro parry has a chance to keep you alive</P> <P>3-depending the mob/raid zone wis is the best combo to go with str line but some  times the a pet aoe immune buff wil ldo mroe dps when your grou pdont provide enough HP size to you and your pet so poor scoutie pet keeps gettign one shoted or whgen you doig nreal hard aoe encoutners such Chel drak or Maltron.</P> <P>if you have that and cast fast in chain your dps will be enough to outdamage most sorcerors and scout ppl most of the time.</P> <P>just remember if you go +wis line . Uproar maxed makes scout pet to do a bit more dps then if it had 13.9critical hit chance or makes mage pet to do lie ksame dps as if it had 14.4pct haste on spells from int aa line.</P> <P>It is very hard decision if you ask me , on the high end game sta line is uber indead even when it seems that the necro is "lazy" but wis line will give you more trobble on castign many buffs on pet and got ot click on animist bond on the right time but you wil lget wel lrewarded.</P> <P>I guess 75pct of the raids str+wis would be best combo aa dps.</P> <P> </P> <P>Allowen</P> <P>Lords of the tripple moons guild</P> <P>Mistmoore server</P> <P> </P>

[Sic Boy]

<P>I parse around 1.6-1.8k usually in raids, 2.2k if UT is up. Scout pet will get you more dps against small groups and Mage better against large groups or anything that AoE's enough to one shot your pet. You can get around the AoE's if you use a timer though.</P> <P>Biggest secret to a Necro getting high dps is Arch Lich... your spell rotation should look like this whatever spells you prefer: Rot, something, rot, something, rot, something, rot, something, rot, something, rot. As long as you have a rotation down that you can be casting a spell non-stop from the beginning of the fight to the end of it you should get top of the parse most of the time. Obviously doing that and having as many proc items as possible will help that much more.</P> <P>As far as personal preference for dpsing; Scout pet, Str/Agi AA with both crit skills maxed, and in my opinion until you cap Int, it is more important then proc effects when your choosing gear.</P> <P>Jhonas</P> <P>70 Necromancer</P> <P>Havoc, Nagafen... No I don't want a real sig</P>

[Scyros]

Best I've done is 2165 without UT.  Like the previous posters said, never stop casting period.  Arch Lich is 60% of your dmg, the more you cast anything that procs that, the better.  Proc gear is also good to.  As for the order, depends but Rot should go up every time it's ready. I will even recast spells that don't need refresh just to get the Arch Lich proc if nothing else is up.  Don't forget dooming darkness or what ever it is procs lich.  Swarm of bats doesn't proc lich tho so it's a matter of prefference. I don't use it though.  Hope that helps.  Also master 1 mage pet alll the way.  Max crits and int line and he's a freaking beast. Just have to watch AE's with him.<div></div>

[Colossaltitan]

<DIV>Archlich is 12% of your damage, not 60%.</DIV>

[Named]

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[Truffor]

<blockquote><hr>Colossaltitan wrote:<div>Archlich is 12% of your damage, not 60%.</div><hr></blockquote> Who said some were spamming Abominable mark ? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (/taunt)<div></div>

[Colossaltitan]

<DIV>Yes, because we all know thats how to "Maximize Necro DPS"<BR><BR>Miss you too Riz, MIss you too =/.</DIV>

[Named]

<DIV>I miss the flame pigs. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[badgerch]

<P>maxed int line for mage pet cast times and power saving..stops it running into melee too.</P> <P>rest into str.</P> <P>as much proc gear as poss, after that, open with all swarms, 4sec tick dot, then 1 sec tick fot, then 3 sec tick dot, then nuke, then ae nuke if allowed then 1 sec dot, nuke, and then keep the dots up but dont spam them if theyre ticking. throw anyspell youve got when timers down and get into melee if there no aes. have a go with a t5 ancient flame proc weapon. 12% at 400 damage is nice.</P>

[Scyros]

Well, 60% isn't set in stone, but I have parse it out at that much in the past.  If Arch Lich is only 12% of your DPS then something isn't right.  I don't spam Mark either.  But I do spam any spell I have up at any time.  If it's up and I'm not casting it then it's wasted DPS IMO.  On raids I am casting non-stop other than to joust pet.<div></div>

[quamdar]

i don't know mine is not even CLOSE to 60% ever.  hell if i include the pets it normally doesn't break 10% of my damage normally, 8% is what i have seen a lot.  abate life does the more damage than arch lich does.i honestly don't know how you are even getting anywhere near that amount of damage would love to see parse.<div></div>

[Winsarc11]

<P>Editted cause i was wrong about the percentages <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  posted again below</P> <P>But till casting non-stop is the key, even if its just filling a empty spot in your rotation with dooming darkness or abominable mark.</P> <P>And i use scout pet pretty much 100% of the time, str/agi AAs maxed.  Which is also great for soloing.  Cabalist cover and 55% self avoidance really helps the tank pet stay alive.</P> <P>Message Edited by Winsarc11 on <SPAN class=date_text>10-09-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>04:56 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Winsarc11 on <span class=date_text>10-09-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:09 PM</span>

[quamdar]

even if you were to cycle through abate-death rot-two one second cast for arch lich procs-death rot-restart that is 5 procs a cycle so 288*5=1440.so lets say you have abate life for min (1296) + death rot min (119*4*2) + 0 damage for other two proc spells (just used to show how rediculous 40% damage is from lich)=22481440 (lich damage) / 3688(total damage) = 39%so to do 40% of your damage you would need to cycle abate life, death rot, and two other spells that do 0 damage and proc the spell.  and not only that but you would have to get every single one of those spells to hit for min.if you can show me a parse or tell me some way that you are getting this large of a percent of your damage from lich while still parsing high that i can't think of i might change my opinion but looking at the numbers i find it impossible (or at the very least [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] near impossible) to parse that well and have archlich be that much of a percent of your damage even when you don't account for pet damage.<div></div>

[Colossaltitan]

Zonewide for Deathtoll.<BR><BR><IMG src="http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4286/zonewidedtjf4.jpg"><BR><BR>*Shrugs*  If your getting 60% your doing something wrong. =D<p>Message Edited by Colossaltitan on <span class=date_text>10-10-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:43 AM</span>

[quamdar]

yeah looks very similar to the percentages i get.  i don't know how someone would get 20% of their damage if you are parsing very high at all from just archlich much less 40 or 60.i only have the adept 3 of the archlich ([expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] guildie beat me when we rolled for only one i have ever seen drop <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />) so mine is normally like 8-9% but yeah very close to that.<div></div>

[Winsarc11]

<DIV>ya 40% is wrong.  ive been looking through some old parses and the highest from the few parses i looked at, ive gotten arch lich percentage around 20% thats with master1.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But thats also including total dmg from pet and swarm pets.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That parse above shows undead tide which honestly should double your total dps if its up for a min, so without undead tide that percentage "could" be possibly 20% just from Arch lich.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But if you look at your own dmg excluding pet/swarm pet, which i think is what he was originally trying to say, i could be wrong, then ya arch lich could easily be 40% of your personal dmg.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Editted cause i noticed parse was zonewide, so hard to tell exactly what lich would be on a per fight basis, especially with a few undead tides in there.  But still think you could get that up to 20% per fight.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Winsarc11 on <span class=date_text>10-09-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:06 PM</span>

[Truffor]

<div></div>Archlich may be a big part of your damage, considering spellcasting (without any pets). If someone has believed let's say 0.5 secs that archlich could be 60% of your overall DPS, please consider rerolling a Pally or a SK ^^. <div></div><p>Message Edited by Truffor on <span class=date_text>10-10-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:53 AM</span>

[Scyros]

<div></div>Ok to clarify, I was talking about my personal DPS.  Not counting pet.  So yes adding in pets the numders change, and adding in UT skews them even more.  I wasn't really including pets since your pet DPS is for the most part static.  There are group buffs that can boost your pet up but thats not something "you" as a necro do to increase your DPS.  Reguardless of the numbers however I think we can all agree on a couple point that I was trying to illistrate.  Procs might look small but over a long fight add up to a lot, and casting as much and as fast as agro will allow to maximize the effect of Lich Siphoning.  I don't have nearly the amount of procing gear as Malignx so that would cause my siphon to account for a larger % of my total.  Like I stated in my first post.  My personal best without UT is 2165 DPS.  So I'm no slacker but I'm not top dog compared to some necros out there.  And that is how I do it.  Which is what the OP asked.  How to get more than 2k?  I'd say more proc gear and grp config is your best bet. And I already have an SK <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><p>Message Edited by Scyros on <span class=date_text>10-10-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:52 PM</span>

[Colossaltitan]

<DIV>Things that help you improve your DPS (not including melee buffs for pet, because there are far too many ways to buff it).<BR>Wizard: Frigid Gift shows (Ice Lash) on parse.<BR>Illusionist: Dynamism shows (Synergism) on parse.<BR>Warlock: Group +skills buff, most say it doesn't help but parse accuracy tends to disagree (even though people say you can't go off that).<BR><BR>Any proc gear.<BR>Personally, I'm wearing:<BR>Circlet of Living Fire<BR>Bone-Clasped Girdle<BR>Dagger of Arcane Rite<BR>Blood of the Brood Watcher<BR>Fitzpitzle's Misty Protector<BR>Mystical Orb of the Invoker<BR>Ring of Supremacy<BR>Ring of Supremacy<BR>Vzee'Rist Sash of Draining<BR>Bracelet of Thule<BR><BR>That was a zone-wide parse so Undead Tide doesn't really change overall raid DPS and stuff there.</DIV> <DIV><BR>Personal DPS, what would it be 40% ish? I'll bring up a specific parse later of just mine (not pet) DPS.<BR><BR>And thats with Archlich Master 1.<BR><BR><BR>The highest I've gotten as far as #'s go with DPS is 5.8k but that fight is [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] (Lyceum 8mob heroic encounter).<BR>The highest DPS I've gotten on a "normal" fight would be 4k on MO.<BR>Second highest would be 3.9k on Pantrilla.<BR>Third highest would be Uncaged Alzid with 3.8ish k.<BR><BR>All of which using Undead Tide, of course.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Colossaltitan on <span class=date_text>10-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:18 PM</span>

[Scyros]

Like the previous post, I didn't see that was a zone wide.  But just at a glace your pet looks to account for 30% or more of that.  In any case I'd say the proc gear is whats helping you the most at this point.  With all masters but a few non dmg spells I've yet to break 2.5k  without UT.  With UT I think I can prob get that easy.  I don't typically count UT in my parse since it's such a situational spell. I only have about 3 or 4 proc items now and my necro only gets played on raids when we have enough healers.  Which is maybe once a week if i'm lucky.  <div></div>

[CaseyMike]

Question from a nooby, what is proc?

[Colossaltitan]

<DIV>Something that is a chance to give damage on a spell attack(nuke), or hostile spell(non damaging offensive spell).<BR><BR>Here's an example of two different kinds of procs.  Lich's Siphoning (Archlich M1) is a proc that I get from a spell/buff.  Essensce Draining is a proc I get from my wrist slot item.<BR><BR><IMG src="http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/3864/proccb2.jpg"><BR><BR><BR>Although procs help they dont add a 1k + in DPS so don't to go off believing something :p.<BR><BR>Again the reason why I included UDT in the parse was because it was zone wide not a single encounter so it wouldn't have a giant impact on the end of the parse.</DIV>

[Winsarc11]

<P>I completely agree with Colossaltitan.  Proc items are the best way to increase your dps once you have master spells.</P> <P>Also the right group setup helps a ton too.</P> <P>Adding to the list of beneficial group buffs above, </P> <P>Troubadour - proc buff and %crit chance and haste increase(for pet)</P> <P>Conjuror - single target melee proc buff(for pet)</P> <P> </P> <P><BR> </P>

[Badd Boy]

Rizaz did you quit, where you been man?<div></div>

[Colossaltitan]

He left for WoW.  Hate on him.