INT AA line

[quamdar]

<div></div>i was thinking of respecing my AAs and get the STR line (crits to my spells) and then was thinking INT for the reduced cast time for mage pet and was wondering what people thought of it.  i was thinking it would be nice because the pet would get off more spells so if i am in a group with a troub (which i normally am) that means more procs but the concern i was having is with the faster casting time does it run out of spells faster and therefore run in to the mob and get AEed? <div></div>

[Colossaltitan]

<DIV>i've been thinking about doing this myself lately.<BR><BR>empower servant is lookin hella sexy.  /shrug.  im going to go with it one night i think it might be worth while and see how it works out.  the only thing that is bugging me is necros dont have the tools like conj, deathprotect, stoneskin, etc.  might be tough to keep pet alive through some things.<BR><BR>and pet will still get one shotted on mobs like MO... so.. idk >_<</DIV>

[quamdar]

yeah MO would drop the mage in one shot so i think i would keep using my scout pet on him.  the scout works really well on MO, i just pop my consumption on him after AE and one heal  and he is normally full health pretty quickly again. i am going to try using my mage more on encounters i can range the AE and see if i can keep him ranged out pretty well without the AAs then see what happens from there and what people say that have some personal experience with the line. <div></div>

[Allowen]

<P>The str line is a must have for us necros ! You will not just do critical damage a lot but critical heals when the critical hit procs ). it is Just wonderfull !</P> <P>About int line I have tested it al ot and it is uber but I am more fun of str+agil.</P> <P>Anyways if you getting str line to raise critical hit chance  and on the process havign to  getting the rank 4 parry skil then you  ready to get what ever other line aa you want because all works marvelous with str line.</P> <P>ohh, dont forget that weak dps dagger pet that  is a 30secs recast and it will keep procing all your equipated procign nuke items ) nice for extra dps .Now work on  getting   Dagger of Arch Magus off pedestal of sky encounter and you will never want to lose  str line  aa again.</P> <P> </P> <P>Allowen</P> <P>necromancer of Mistmoore server</P> <P>Lords of the triple moons</P>

[Colossaltitan]

<DIV>I respec'd last night and came up with:<BR>STR:4/5/4/8, INT:4/4/4/8/1<BR>I put the one extra point into Animated Dagger because nothing else seemed useful enough to throw an extra point into, and I may use it when I get my Dagger of the Arch Magus(and, that is, if they ever fix it).<BR><BR>I'll let ya know what I think of it. >_<, there will be some fights however, where I'm already afraid I'll be missing AoE immune.<BR><BR>*Edit* As for Crits, although they seem nice, 15%  (w/ MotA + Wild Channeling Rank <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> still doesn't seem like much.  I'll be paying attention on the parser as to how much my damage actually goes up, I'm afraid I'll be dissapointed overall.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Colossaltitan on <span class=date_text>08-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:24 PM</span>

[Thakar]

I've been leaning towrads 4/4/4/8 Strength, 4/4/4/8 Intelligence, and 8 Wisdom (for resists), although I think that gives me an extra point or two to toss around..probably into the mage de-aggro or AE defense ability (not immunity, the other one, in the Intelligence line...can't remember the name).<div></div>

[Colossaltitan]

No point in wasting AA points in Stats, when you can get it from gear.

[Thakar]

<div></div>I usually try to find gear with +sta and +int.  I don't think the healers of my raids would be pleased with me if I tried to get items with lots of +wis.EDIT: I'm also trying to break 1,000 intelligence <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I'm getting pretty close, I can get up to about 920 intelligence so far without potions, if my procs go off and I get short term buffs. And yes, I know...there is a stat cap (is it 510 or 520? I can never remember), I'm just doing it because I'm a bit odd and I find it amusing.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Thakar on <span class=date_text>08-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:43 PM</span>

[quamdar]

i dunno i think getting wis for resist purposes is a waste especially with your AAs.  i find getting straight resists is much more beneficial.  for example using your 8 points on wis gives you 40 extra wis and at about 2.85 points of resist per every point of wis you would get about 114 to every resist which i don't view as worth sacrificing something like empower servant or something like that.<div></div>

[Colossaltitan]

Exactly.<BR>Stats, or stats for resists, is simply um, for lack of a better word that comes to mind, dumb.<BR><BR>The resists, and stats, you can get off gear is plenty enough.  Make use of your AAs, as although they aren't great, they are all useful, and 50 Points isn't enough to get everything someone would want, so seriously, don't waste it in stats :p.<BR>

[quamdar]

how is the empower servant working for you so far?  i haven't done a lot of playing with him but i didn't really seem to notice much of a mana problem with him yet and that seems the only benefit to empower servant since most of the time it doesn't get hit enough to make the heal portion that important.i can't decide if i want to go INT (4-4-4-8-1) & then crits or if i should go INT (4-4-4-<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> & STA (4-8-4-5-1).  i am kind of leaning toward the INT & STA combo myself since i personally haven't really parsed it much but hear it does some good damage with Coercer DPS buff on it.  would also be be nice for when you are feeling lazy and just want to send the pet in and just worry about casting your own spells instead of keeping the pet up which happens every once in a while especially when you are clearing the same zone for the twentieth time <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Koehianna]

Is it just me or does anyone else think it's not right that we have no other choice but to specialize in just one pet?  I went STR and WIS with my AA lines because they both help me regardless of what pet I use.  I understand that if you purely wanna do DPS that INT would be the way to do, but a well-rounded Summoner would go STR + WIS.<div></div>

[quamdar]

well you could choose two if you wanted like STA & INT, STA & AGI, or AGI & INT but you just can't do all three.  if you use all three like you said would have to go STR & WIS.the only change i would like done to our AAs is to make the INT line like it was in beta when the arcane bindings rooted mage pet and i think also gave increase to crit chance then also make minion's warding into a group resist buff again but i doubt either would happen really.  either that or make arcane bindings not decrease hate towards the pet but rather you.<div></div>

[Articulas]

i definatly with STR with my necro, but now that i have a weapon better than soul carver, thats a wand, i'm trying to figure out if i should respec since i'm not getting the full use out of the line. but i LOVE blowing up my pet, so probably not. but i don't know which second line i'm going to take yet.<div></div>

[Colossaltitan]

Implode is way too much of a pita for me, more so than constantly jousting mage pet.<BR><BR>Empower Servant is alright, pet never runs OOP now, and when it intercepts a portion of say, an aoe, for me, he heals himself backup rather nicely.<BR><BR>I'm going to wait more before I decide to choose again, although wis was nice, for say, Tarinax or something, Chel'Drak even, a difficult mob to hit, the +c/s/p wasn't making a noticable enough difference for me to stick with it.<BR><BR>I think my DPS will be a tad more risky, but much higher in sticking with the str/int setup.

[Catodon]

<div><blockquote><hr>Colossaltitan wrote:<div></div>Implode is way too much of a pita for me, more so than constantly jousting mage pet.Empower Servant is alright, pet never runs OOP now, and when it intercepts a portion of say, an aoe, for me, he heals himself backup rather nicely.I'm going to wait more before I decide to choose again, although wis was nice, for say, Tarinax or something, Chel'Drak even, a difficult mob to hit, the +c/s/p wasn't making a noticable enough difference for me to stick with it.<i>I think my DPS will be a tad more risky, but much higher in sticking with the str/int setup.</i><hr></blockquote>Italics mine.  I went with sta + wis for stability and reliability; a conjurer in my guild has been doing str + int.  When we raid together he does more upfront dps by a fair margin, especially on groups with his fire pet, but he also pulls aggro and dies a lot (which I almost never do short of using undead tide), usually from losing the pet to an aoe and getting its hate dump, occasionally from straight up dps.  Both styles are valid in my opinion... I still do quite respectable damage but have more time free in fights to rez/backup heal/replenish hearts/etc while the conjurer has dps as his complete focus.</div>

[Colossaltitan]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Catodon wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR>I still do quite respectable damage but have more time free in fights to rez/backup heal/replenish hearts/etc while the conjurer has dps as his complete focus.<BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>I was rezing, giving hearts, while maintaing high dps without a pet death with STR/INT.<BR><BR>Again though, hasn't been a drastic increase, and my only competition in DPS was one of our Assassins, so...only time will tell.<BR><BR>I like being lazy of course, and for that, STA/WIS is the win, but I want to dominate the DPS marker, as I feel thats what Im there for, so trying whichever will get me the most.<BR>

[Catodon]

Guess I should explain my thinking a bit more clearly, hehe. I am not skilled or well equipped (in terms of internet connection and pc hardware) enough to do str/int with 100% reliability, and nothing irks me more than being responsible for stupid screwups that hurt that the overall performance of the raid.  The sta/wis combo ensures highly consistent dps and utility on nearly every fight in the game, even pain in the behind ones like Talendor.  That said, even with the fighter pet in non-optimal group setups I still end up slightly ahead of everyone else in our raids on a consistent basis (wizards need to stop slacking...) and if I were permitted to have all the dps groups set up to benefit me personally (dirge/bruiser/proc buffers/etc all buffing my pet, who cares about the scouts) the difference would be much greater.  The added straight dps from a different aa setup does not (for me) justify the extra work, stress, and and in particular risk.  To put it simply, I would rather be 100% reliable than be on top of the chart every single fight.<div></div>

[Colossaltitan]

<DIV>Did Deathtoll tonight, STR/INT.  It was crap.  Can't joust mage pet under several conditions with those eyes, one slipup on the 'backoff' key and its too late, resulting in 23seconds+ of rebuffing.<BR><BR>Not sure what I'm going to go with though.<BR>STR:4/4/4/8_STA:4/4/4/4/1, do whatever with leftovers.<BR><BR>Or get the +C/S/P in the WIS line, with the STA finisher.<BR><BR><BR>Edit.<BR><BR>I ended up going...<BR>STR:4/4/4/8_STA:4/4/4/4/1_WIS:4/1<BR><BR>But then I ended up getting the dagger off Chel'Drak, wondering if I'll scratch Animist's Transference and pickup more points into Animated Dagger.<BR><BR>/shrug.<BR></DIV><p>Message Edited by Colossaltitan on <span class=date_text>08-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:06 AM</span>

[quamdar]

yeah i did end up going INT (4-4-4-<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> & STA (4-8-4-5-1) and have liked it so far and have to say it is pretty nice.was nice especially today on chel'drak since i just sent pet in on chel'drak then worried with adds, rezzes, hearts and all that myself and didn't have to do anything with him during the fight really.  think it helped my DPS a bit on him too since pet wasn't spending any time moving and was just bashing the whole time instead.  have a feeling it will be nice on several others once i do a few more raids this week with it.what dagger off chel'drak did you get though?  don't think i have seen it unless you are talking about the shard since that is only one hander i have seen from him.  hoping something with a spell damage proc on it since i am tired of the grizzfazzle's lol.<div></div>

[Colossaltitan]

Large pictures, because, I'm lazy.<BR><BR><IMG src="http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/3601/daggerofarcanerite1ev6.jpg"><BR><BR><IMG src="http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/9743/daggerofarcanerite2bh2.jpg"><BR><BR><IMG src="http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5852/daggerofarcanerite3bt6.jpg"><BR><BR>The Vial in my left hand is Blood of the Broodwatcher, my gloves, are Fidgeting Hands of the Savant(Self-Help Book Proc Gloves), and the Robe: Netherworld robe, from Djinn Master.<BR><BR>To avoid any future questions >_<.<BR><BR><3 the new dagger, its sexy, and stuff, and, although it will parse the same as Griz basically, atleast its, better stats, hp/power, and it will never be more, never be less, it will always parse in about the same, depending on how many casts, and I get to use Animated Dagger now and again.

[quamdar]

<div></div>wow, not bad at all.  first thing off chel'drak i have seen that i really wanted can't wait to see it drop.that and it looks awesome.<div></div><p>Message Edited by quamdar on <span class=date_text>08-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:10 PM</span>

[Colossaltitan]

Okay, so, a little info to confuse me more in deciding!<BR><BR><IMG src="http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/7650/malignxparseeh1.jpg"><BR><BR><IMG src="http://img320.imageshack.us/img320/8084/spellcritsna3.jpg"><BR><BR>...so, yeah.<BR><BR>My pet swung 172 times, hit 19 out of the 172 times.  11.05% chance to hit vs Chel'Drak, sure he's orange, sure he's hard to hit.  But FFS.<BR><BR>I only crit'd 91 times out of 801spell hits, of course, dots throw that number off, but thats about 7% of the time.

[Audabon]

<DIV>I went the int/wis line.. the extra heal, the added defense, the ward I use all the time especially with an over anxious mage pet who thinks it can melee.. if i cant get my pet back in time i toss that on and continue to dps.. the extra heal is at like 800 and has saved a few people from death in raids..</DIV> <DIV>Death toll i have my mage pet up for all encounters except tarinax, i use the nightshade, just cause the grimmy is made of paper <3</DIV>

[Nainitsuj]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Colossaltitan wrote:<BR> <DIV>i've been thinking about doing this myself lately.<BR><BR>empower servant is lookin hella sexy.  /shrug.  im going to go with it one night i think it might be worth while and see how it works out.  the only thing that is bugging me is necros dont have the tools like conj, deathprotect, stoneskin, etc.  might be tough to keep pet alive through some things.<BR><BR>and pet will still get one shotted on mobs like MO... so.. idk >_<</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>My guild sticks me with a defiler.  That more than makes up for the lack of pet protection.  The assassin pet withstood 3 of Harla'Dar's AoE attacks before I went down (I ran out of cure potions)

[Violat0r]

<div><blockquote><hr>Thakar wrote:<div></div>I usually try to find gear with +sta and +int.  I don't think the healers of my raids would be pleased with me if I tried to get items with lots of +wis.EDIT: I'm also trying to break 1,000 intelligence <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I'm getting pretty close, I can get up to about 920 intelligence so far without potions, if my procs go off and I get short term buffs. And yes, I know...there is a stat cap (is it 510 or 520? I can never remember), I'm just doing it because I'm a bit odd and I find it amusing.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Thakar on <span class="date_text">08-05-2006</span> <span class="time_text">03:43 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>1000 int self buffed? are you kidding? Ive looked at your gear online as I was curious and your self buffed to 420 ish with the last set of gear you had on with little fabled gear evident.This is NOT a flame, I am merely curious, please enlighten me <span>:smileyhappy:</span></div>

[Korb]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Koehianna wrote:<BR>Is it just me or does anyone else think it's not right that we have no other choice but to specialize in just one pet?  I went STR and WIS with my AA lines because they both help me regardless of what pet I use.  I understand that if you purely wanna do DPS that INT would be the way to do, but a well-rounded Summoner would go STR + WIS.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I'm doing the same thing (with the wis part at least). I've focused on the wis AA's for now because I solo part of the time, and group the rest. I like having the aa's that help with both. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Also, does the + off and + def help with orange mobs at all? It makes their skills go up which should help right? I'm not sure I understand it 100%. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Thakar]

<div></div><div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Violat0r wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Thakar wrote:<div></div>I usually try to find gear with +sta and +int.  I don't think the healers of my raids would be pleased with me if I tried to get items with lots of +wis.EDIT: I'm also trying to break 1,000 intelligence <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I'm getting pretty close, I can get up to about 920 intelligence so far without potions, if my procs go off and I get short term buffs. And yes, I know...there is a stat cap (is it 510 or 520? I can never remember), I'm just doing it because I'm a bit odd and I find it amusing.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Thakar on <span class="date_text">08-05-2006</span> <span class="time_text">03:43 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>1000 int self buffed? are you kidding? Ive looked at your gear online as I was curious and your self buffed to 420 ish with the last set of gear you had on with little fabled gear evident.This is NOT a flame, I am merely curious, please enlighten me <span>:smileyhappy:</span></div><hr></blockquote>It gets buffed quite a bit during raids...I've also got moonstone rings to raise my int, my godking staff proc, and there's some short term buff that gives about 184 int.  I've also upgraded a couple of items recently (such as Lyceum pants, the ring from Vilucidae, and a shoulder item from HoS).EDIT: I've also got Master 1 Teachings of the Underworld...also, I didn't say self buffed.</div><p>Message Edited by Thakar on <span class="date_text">08-09-2006</span> <span class="time_text">04:43 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Thakar on <span class=date_text>08-09-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:48 PM</span>

[Kski93]

<DIV>I've said it before and i'll say it again, the INT line is not good at all. If your wasting 8 points on that last ability your a fool. There is but one encounter where your mage pet will be burnt out of power  by the end of the fight and that's Vilucidae(end mob in Lyceum). You can easily resummon your pet and get his power/health back to full, complete waste of points there. So why else would you take the INT line, the 11% reduced casting timers? Gimme a break taking fractions of a second off just your mage pets casting timers is crap. All it means is your pet spends slightly more time in melee then normal or sitting around if your jousting. If they changed this to 11% off the recast timers i would jump back on board but untill then the INT line is garbage. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Save yourself the trouble and do some form of STR/WIS/STA</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[jeanjuedi]

Wis 4/4/4/2, Int 4/4/3, Sta 4/4/4/4/1.  It is not the optimal dps build by any means, but having preceptor's bodyguard and Minion's Warding are great in the offchance that I get hit by an AoE, and Unflinching Servant means never resummoning a pet again, although I am not sure if the 8 points spent for Unflinching Servant is worth it.  It saves me time from resummoning pet, thereby maintaining personal dps, but the tank dps is so crappy, and I use him on so few raid mobs...

[Sosum]

I went: AGI  4/4/4/4INT  4/4/4/6STA 1<div></div>I might respect as I seem to be using my scout pet more than the mage pet now for raiding.. pet AE's really [Removed for Content] certain classes off and the INT line doesn't do a whole lot in comparison to the side heals from being in the WIS line..  Also  INT is so easy to build up I thought about taking the raw stats alone and just maxing my stamina points so I could get my HP a little higher and maybe wisdom after that as with proper gear and max range AE's are becoming a joke to laugh at.

[Nainitsuj]

<P>Str - 4/4/8/8/0<BR>Agi - 4/4/4/8/0<BR>Wis - 5</P> <P>I'm considering replacing that with;</P> <P>Str - 4/4/5/8/0<BR>Int - 4/4/4/8/1</P> <P>Only because I can keep my pet out of the Aoe's almost indefinately.</P>

[subari]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> jeanjuedi wrote:<BR> ... but the tank dps is so crappy, and I use him on so few raid mobs...<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I can't agree. I use tankpet only in raid. You only have to get in a mele-group and your tankpet will become a little berserker. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> It's easy for me to outparse every other mage in the raid, reaching dps close to our top-ranger and by the way healing, heartcasting, rezzing and debuffing (incl. dollcasting).

[jeanjuedi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> subaridu wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> jeanjuedi wrote:<BR> ... but the tank dps is so crappy, and I use him on so few raid mobs...<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I can't agree. I use tankpet only in raid. You only have to get in a mele-group and your tankpet will become a little berserker. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> It's easy for me to outparse every other mage in the raid, reaching dps close to our top-ranger and by the way healing, heartcasting, rezzing and debuffing (incl. dollcasting).<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>If I end up in a melee group then yes, I will use the tank pet more frequently, a stifled tank pet with dps buffs does do decent damage, but not as much as a the mage pet in a mage group with a trouby.<BR>

[Colossaltitan]

The dead cannot DPS <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.<BR><BR>Last night on Chel'Drak, our Conj had Mage pet out, was jousting it, I had stifled fighter pet.<BR><BR>Conj sends pet in, jousing it, see a deathprotect go off on the pet, next aoe, pet dies. Conj pulls aggro.  Conj dies.<BR><BR>I'm steadily DPS'n without a touch of aggro and ended up out dps'n the conj, and my pet killed hers in DPS.

[quamdar]

yeah, slow and steady wins the race.  and chel'drak is a bad fight to be pulling aggro, there is so much going on it is hard to handle all the adds while trying to move around the mob itself and get it repositioned and making sure healers don't go out of range or lose line of sight.i love my pet AE immunity because it is great for fights like chel'drak and is pretty nice on matron too.  pretty much any fight where pet can die to an AE hehe.<div></div>