Summoned Heart Timers!

[Princess Ivy]

<font color="#ff99cc">Does this timer [Removed for Content] anyone else off, or is it just me? I'm a level 70 Necro, and I'm an active member of a raiding guild on Nagafen. Ruinous Heart and all the previous Heart spells have a 30 second reuse timer. So picture this.</font><font color="#ff99cc"> </font><font color="#ff99cc"> </font><font color="#ff99cc">I'm in a full 24-person raid. Habitually, I make sure everyone has a heart. I have to wait 30 seconds between each cast, so it takes roughly 12 minutes to pass out hearts to the raid. These hearts are Lore, Temporary, No-trade, No-value, summoned to a single target, and available only every 30 seconds? Why can't this spell be a group-wide cast like feathers and stones are for healers? How could this possibly be exploited in any way shape or form to merit a 30 second timer for such an item? Really, it's just annoying. Everyone gets a heart eventually, but the time it takes to get one to everyone is simply ridiculous. Grr. >=(</font> <div></div>

[kenji]

well...think about the other power regen classes and u know why our hearts r so limited.

[Koehianna]

It pisses me off too.  I'm one of two Necros in my guild, and passing out hearts at the beginning and during a raid is such a pain.I'd love for a group-wide cast, but I'd be happy if they just reduced the recast timer.<div></div>

[Jal]

Or even betterOut of combat recast 5 seconds.In combat recast 30 seconds.

[Tokam]

Id settle for the recast timer being reset if the target was unable to accept the item

[Boran]

I only pass out hearts to healers, MT and Bards as a rule. If I see someone is really struggling with their regen I'lll throw em a heart but mostly I won't. It is just too annoying to pass it out to the entire raid.

[Deson]

What annoys me about it is that there is a recast on the heart itself as well so it's not like you can really spam these things out for any great effect;if the person just used the last charge, even with a new one they still have to wait to recast.To have that and the annoying 30 second recast has always felt like overkill.<div></div>

[Koehianna]

<div><blockquote><hr>Sulpeel wrote:<div></div>Id settle for the recast timer being reset if the target was unable to accept the item<hr></blockquote>I take back my last post and put this at priority #1.  This was the dumbest thing to have ever done.</div>

[KBern]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> kenjiso wrote:<BR> well...think about the other power regen classes and u know why our hearts r so limited.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>The hearts have a re-use timer themselves attached to the item.  There is no reason to have that long of a timer on the spell too.

[3cho]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sulpeel wrote:<BR> Id settle for the recast timer being reset if the target was unable to accept the item<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I like this idea.</DIV>

[sirmamabe]

I would also love to see if someone already has a somewhat used heart that it brought it back to full. The group cast would be nice too.Isee - 70 necroDoloris - 70 defiler<div></div>

[Articulas]

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=29&message.id=15234here is a simliar thread with the conjies. they've kinda got the same gripe.<div></div>

[The Ban]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> sirmamabear wrote:<BR>I would also love to see if someone already has a somewhat used heart that it brought it back to full. <BR><BR><BR><FONT color=#ffff00>The group cast would be nice too.</FONT><BR><BR><BR>Isee - 70 necro<BR>Doloris - 70 defiler<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>YA i would love to hve it cast to the whole grp then the 30sec recast would be fine <BR>

[Eriol]

If the hearts themselves didn't have a re-cast, then I could understand limiting the ability to pass them out, but since it does, as with everybody else, I'd like our re-cast at the least removed. And since you can DETECT when they can't take the heart, ditch our re-cast too! Make it just like a full resist, since those ALREADY shorten re-casts on other spells, so it's not like the mechanism isn't there.

[ca]

I concur, recast is excessive would be nice for a shorter one. Don't really have issues with the failed summons since I make it a point to tell people not to ask for another till the current one is gone from inventory, heck I don't even care if the recast is reduced a little, 15 seconds would make it better, 30 seconds is redundant, I see no way these can be abused since they are going to get to the targets irregardless.

[Colossaltitan]

<P>Cut the recast timer in half or something, I could care a less about grp/raid/shorter out of combat cast time.<BR><BR>Heres why, the Heart already has a timer on it, no matter how fast you can give them out, they can only be clicked once every minute.<BR><BR>I don't care about out of combat, handing them out, I'll showup a few minutes early, and get people as they come its the 5requests all of the sudden because one person speaks up on ts and says heart, 6 people remember oh yeah, I'm out of charges too!  Is when its a PITA.<BR><BR>Or even as said earlier, if nubs forget they still had one charge and you give them one, dont give us a recast timer or overwrite theres.</P><p>Message Edited by Colossaltitan on <span class=date_text>07-21-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:55 AM</span>

[Bamfa_dexter]

This poor horse......:smileyindifferent:

[ca]

well if we don't beat it who will?

[Romka]

Idea that i like most do far:- if not in combat = summons hearts to targeted group- if in combat = summons heart to single target only<div></div>

[KBern]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Bamfa_dexter wrote:<BR> This poor horse......:smileyindifferent:<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Very overused expression itself to become a dead horse by this time.</P> <P>Until an official comment is made, then nothing can be a dead horse, at this point it is not even an addressed horse.</P>

[Bamfa_dexter]

<P><SPAN class=time_text>There are only about 50 other posts on this same subject.  </SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Bamfa_dexter on <span class=date_text>07-24-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:49 PM</span>

[Sola]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Bamfa_dexter wrote:<BR> <P><SPAN class=time_text>There are only about 50 other posts on this same subject.  </SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by Bamfa_dexter on <SPAN class=date_text>07-24-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>05:49 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>If that's the case, 51 if you count this one... What does it really matter if there's several post on this same subject?!?  It's something he's concerned about that hasn't been addressed.  Let them post freely.  After all, that's what this is:  "a discussion forum"; not a [Removed for Content] controlled forum.  If you want to police, go get you a tin badge, a funny looking hat, a rubber gun and go play in the street.  Otherwise, please post something that might help his situation.  After all, that's really what he wants, help.

[Sarkoris]

<P>Wish list:</P> <P>Shortened recast timer, leave inbuilt reuse of heart timer intact to prevent abuse.</P> <P>Reduce recast timer if a person already has one in their  inventory (treat as resist). Second option is to have it overwrite present heart if more powerful (master over adept etc) .</P> <P>And my pet hate, increase its range beyond 18 inches. Give it the same range as our dots. If I am at range I do not want to run into an AOE to get a heart to a healer. Nor do I want to have to distract the healer from their task to run over to me.</P> <P>Sark.</P>

[KBern]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Bamfa_dexter wrote:<BR> <P><SPAN class=time_text>There are only about 50 other posts on this same subject.  </SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by Bamfa_dexter on <SPAN class=date_text>07-24-2006</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>05:49 PM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Again a dead horse is not something that is posted about a lot, it is a topic that has been fully addressed ad nauseum that keeps on coming back up.</P> <P>This has never been addressed and if it takes 51 or 151 threads to get a response, then that is what it takes.</P> <P>All the devs have to do is respond if there are an overabundance of threads about the same topic.</P>

[evhallion]

<blockquote><hr>KBern wrote:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Bamfa_dexter wrote:<BR><P><SPAN class=time_text>There are only about 50 other posts on this same subject.  </SPAN></P><P>Message Edited by Bamfa_dexter on <SPAN class=date_text>07-24-2006</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>05:49 PM</SPAN><BR></P><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P><BR>Again a dead horse is not something that is posted about a lot, it is a topic that has been fully addressed ad nauseum that keeps on coming back up.</P><P>This has never been addressed and if it takes 51 or 151 threads to get a response, then that is what it takes.</P><P>All the devs have to do is respond if there are an overabundance of threads about the same topic.</P><hr></blockquote>/agree

[LadyVader]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sulpeel wrote:<BR> Id settle for the recast timer being reset if the target was unable to accept the item<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>This would be great!  The recast timer would not seem quite so bad then.

[Bamfa_dexter]

<DIV>Why even give us the spell? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Make it so as soon as we join a raid or group everyone on raid/group gets one placed in their inventory with out us having us to do anything.  :smileyindifferent:</DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Bamfa_dexter on <span class=date_text>07-31-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:47 PM</span>

[Vici_Necromanc]

LOL Man you are a lazy Necro!:smileyvery-happy:

[Bamfa_dexter]

<DIV> <P><SPAN>I think you missed my sarcasm.<SPAN>  </SPAN></SPAN></P></DIV>

[Vici_Necromanc]

I think you missed mine! <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[IA~CHAOS]

<DIV>Well ya its a pain to say the least, what I had every healer do was set up a quick macro /tell Darkadon Heart plz!!!  and they hit it when they need it.  It works great actually.</DIV>