Is Lich that useful Soloing ?

[Xtrik]

<DIV>I have tried Lich when soloing tougher mobs, my health and pet healing just do not keep up verses when I don't use Lich. If you are fighting lower mobs it just does not make sense at all to use because you are not casting as many spells. If you are grouped with a healer then I think the extra damage would be nice. Soloing with it so far just does not seem to work well. With tougher mobs I am healing my pet every 3 rd or 4 th spell to keep his health up with a Master I pet healing spell.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have Adapt I Lich now. Is it a must to get Master I Lich worth using Solo ? Would Adapt III even be worth considering ? I don't see many necros using this spell. Once in a great while I see it used.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks in advance :smileywink:</DIV>

[Jal]

I always use lich, the health cost is barely noticable as i am constantly casting to refill it and the power replenishment keep me topped up. To use it effectively just make sure you get your attacks in the right order :pet heallifetapdot dotdotpet heal lifetap etcI only ever turn lich/archlich off when i FD.

[eburgos]

a necro must always be a lich. Except when FD as stated by the above post.<div></div>

[KBern]

I never play w/o lich...ever...since getting it.

[Eriol]

<blockquote><hr>Xtriker wrote:I don't see many necros using this spell. Once in a great while I see it used.<hr></blockquote>You probably just don't see many with their illusion forms on anymore, not that none are using it. I can assure you that EVERYBODY is using it at ALL times (except when feign death).Think of it this way, if you cast a spell a second, then it's an increase in DPS of whatever the amount lich procs for. If you average a spell a second on AD3 Archlich, that's an over 300DPS increase over not using the spell at all.ALWAYS use lich/archlich, at the highest quality you can afford, and sometimes higher. Go broke on finding yourself an ad3 or master of it. It IS worth it.

[Jerr]

<P>I left Lich on while sleeping last night and I feel totally drained today and have a huge migraine.</P> <P>BUt seriously-I only turn off lich when FD or my HP is real low and taking a break from fighting.</P> <P>Cheers,</P> <P>Jerril</P>

[Xtrik]

<DIV>Well I upgraded from Lich Adapt I to Adapt III and must say for my play style it made all the difference. If I have the Plat and see Master I Lich I will definatly pick it up :smileyhappy:</DIV>

[Arrowheart]

<DIV>I picked up Master 1 Lich off broker for a few plats and it is definately worth it if you can get it. At Master 1 it returns 2% power per tick instead of 1% for the same amount of health consumed and the lifetap dps / health return is increased approx 10% over adept 3.</DIV>

[Mentla]

Anyone got a screeny of the Adp III and Master?  Maybe Adp I too <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Also, does it get replaced or it's good till next expansion? <div></div>

[Jal]

Lich 50Archlich 70

[Arrowheart]

<DIV>Better than screenshots, copy and paste these in game:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>aITEM 1408806461 -2117158282:Lich (Adept III)/a</DIV> <DIV>aITEM 1586310571 2010596739:Lich (Master I)/a</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>aITEM 1954197683 -1312677658:Archlich (Adept III)/a</DIV> <DIV>aITEM 732641006 -827179924:Archlich (Master I)/a</DIV>

[Mentla]

<blockquote><hr>Arrowheart wrote:<div>Better than screenshots, copy and paste these in game:</div> <div> </div> <div>aITEM 1408806461 -2117158282:Lich (Adept III)/a</div> <div>aITEM 1586310571 2010596739:Lich (Master I)/a</div> <div> </div> <div>aITEM 1954197683 -1312677658:Archlich (Adept III)/a</div> <div>aITEM 732641006 -827179924:Archlich (Master I)/a</div><hr></blockquote>I would but I'm in the office.  Thanks though, I'll have a butchers when I get home <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Truffor]

I live wtih lich up, except when I'm planning to make my tank pet... tank. I keep stealing aggro of him if I don't turn it off. All procing items and maxed str line fault... Anyway, I never lack of mana in this setup, except if SoE extend tank pet hp pool to 50k or something like =) <div></div>

[Druzgotek]

My guess is archlich will get upgraded at level 90, since lich is 50 and archlich is 70. I consider it the best spell and always have it on. I used to just use Lich m1 until i scored Archlich m1 for just 30 pp off the broker. But then all I do is put lich on and spam whatever procs it non stop, while watching tv.I imagine it would not be that necessary if I played well, and let dots run their full course, etc.<p>Message Edited by Druzgotek on <span class=date_text>06-29-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:57 AM</span>

[Mentla]

<blockquote><hr>Druzgotek wrote:<div></div> <div></div>My guess is archlich will get upgraded at level 90, since lich is 50 and archlich is 70. I consider it the best spell and always have it on. I used to just use Lich m1 until i scored Archlich m1 for just 30 pp off the broker. But then all I do is put lich on and <b><font color="#ff0000">spam whatever procs it non stop</font></b>, while watching tv.I imagine it would not be that necessary if I played well, and let dots run their full course, etc.<p>Message Edited by Druzgotek on <span class="date_text">06-29-2006</span> <span class="time_text">07:57 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>So only certain things proc it?<div></div>

[Eriol]

<blockquote><hr>Mentla wrote:So only certain things proc it?<hr></blockquote>All disease-based attacks do, which only excludes dispel magic, word of force, and swarm of bats. Everything else that you cast on mobs (even root, mark, stun, etc) procs it.

[Mentla]

You guys still using Swarm of Bats at high lvls? <div></div>

[Dayi]

Yep, at lvl 70 your still using bats it's another dot with it's own spell line, so  it's just that much more extra dmg. Lich and archLich are your best friends unless your getting whacked.

[Eriol]

<blockquote><hr>Dayion wrote:Yep, at lvl 70 your still using bats it's another dot with it's own spell line, so  it's just that much more extra dmg.<hr></blockquote>Not really. Once you get Archlich, I THINK that one proc of that is actually more damage than Swarm does over its entire duration. If it's not more, then they're darned close, making swarm a useless cast as you don't GET a lich proc out of it, and it takes longer to cast than some of our other spells that DO proc lich (like darkness).Only useful later for the debuff it does, and that's marginal at best.

[Jerr]

<P>at 59 i still use the swarm of bats in any fight with heroics-other than that it's just over too fast since it has a longer cast time.</P> <P>The debuff helps with the amount of damage my paper armor tank pet tanks.</P> <P>cheers,</P> <P>Jerril</P>

[kenji]

<DIV>yet it doesnt lvl up with u....unlike wind of force...when u hit 55+ mobs with a 35 spells, u will get extra resist chance... doesnt worth to cast imho...</DIV>

[Mentla]

Had a spare T4 rare and that was the only one not due to be upgraded soon or already Adp III so what the heck.  Not getting any resists questing 46+ mobs in SS last night.  Soon as it gets resisted a lot I'll just stop using I guess.By the way, Wind of Force?<div></div>

[Arrowheart]

<DIV>Probably meant the level 20 Splitpaw spell "Word of Force" that you can buy from the merchant after earning their trust (completing 3 out of 5 select quests). Its magic based, on same recast timer as our fast dot (skinrot/deathrot line) and has a 10% chance to do double damage. There is no crafted version of it (no upgrade). It scales as you level, 19% harder for resistability (our fast dot at adept 3 is 32% for comparison).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And in response to where it was said that Swarm of Bats has a greater resistability for mobs 55+ that is not true (I rarely have it resisted on level 66-67 mobs in bonemire which are conning oj to me right now). That only applies to certain spells (control spells like roots/stuns etc). If you inspect those you will notice they have the 20 level limit before they become more resistable.</DIV>

[Truwen]

Lich not only gives you mana regen at the cost of you rhealth but it adds to your dps and as such should never be turned off unless you are FD or dying a miserable death and you think turning off your life tap proc and damage is worth it =) .Everyone else pretty much hit it on the nose lich is a must have always on unless you absolutely need to turn it off kind of spell.-ganab<div></div>

[Mentla]

Tried to solo Splitpaw last night and got nailed!  Does it scale?  The arena started with a white con ^^ mob (which I beat suprisingly) then a yellow ^^^!  Had no chance!<div></div>

[Arrowheart]

<DIV>You were in the group arena, it scales up to 50 (mobs cap around level 52 if I recall). It does not count as one of the 5 quests for "earning trust" if that was what you were doing in there. For a solo player looking to do 3 quests for trust you want to do Harclave, Flitchs Prank, and Solo Arena.</DIV>

[Mentla]

hmm, didn't give me an option just dumped me into grouped one.  Must have been the same for the quest I tried (don't remember which) because I didn't last long.<div></div>

[Arrowheart]

<DIV>Solo arena is over by the merchant, group arena is by the zone in.</DIV>

[Mentla]

Will try agian tonight if I get chance before the footy.<div></div>

[Eriol]

<blockquote><hr>Arrowheart wrote:Solo arena is over by the merchant, group arena is by the zone in.<hr></blockquote>Ya, there's two different entrances. I'm 90% sure the solo one is marked "solo".

[Shailas]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Eriol wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Arrowheart wrote:<BR>Solo arena is over by the merchant, group arena is by the zone in. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Ya, there's two different entrances. I'm 90% sure the solo one is marked "solo".<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yeah it is marked 'solo' I did it again last night for the heck of it after Harclave's.

[Shailas]

<div>Well I mentioned that I was looking forward to Lich in guildchat last night and the other most active necro in my guild swore up and down it was useless.  He was of the opinion it does not return enogh power for health invested and that there is 'no way' to tap enough to keep your health up.I don't see how, but my experience is from EQ1's lich lines which I loved.  Meh, I'll make up my own mind when the time comes.</div>

[Eriol]

<blockquote><hr>Shaizan wrote:He was of the opinion it does not return enogh power for health invested and that there is 'no way' to tap enough to keep your health up.<hr></blockquote>I would say some nasty things to your guild necro here, but I'd probably get banned, or suspended at the least. Let's just say I'd be insulting his intelligence, and many other things about him, and leave it at that.Anyways, if you use ZERO food, then it's possible that out-of-combat that you'll slowly lose health, but in-combat, you should be casting Abate Life (lifetap line) often enough that you'll NEVER end a battle with less than top-health unless you're actively getting hit. Just for the proc damage ALONE it'd be worth it, even if it drained health and gave NO mana and NO small lifetap back. Not AS worth it of course, but still "decent" enough to use it.Anyways, if that's your guild top necro, I'd find a new guild man. Seriously, if they don't berate the guy... yikes. RUN!

[Shailas]

<div><blockquote><hr>Eriol wrote:<blockquote><hr>Shaizan wrote:He was of the opinion it does not return enogh power for health invested and that there is 'no way' to tap enough to keep your health up.<hr></blockquote>I would say some nasty things to your guild necro here, but I'd probably get banned, or suspended at the least. Let's just say I'd be insulting his intelligence, and many other things about him, and leave it at that.Anyways, if you use ZERO food, then it's possible that out-of-combat that you'll slowly lose health, but in-combat, you should be casting Abate Life (lifetap line) often enough that you'll NEVER end a battle with less than top-health unless you're actively getting hit. Just for the proc damage ALONE it'd be worth it, even if it drained health and gave NO mana and NO small lifetap back. Not AS worth it of course, but still "decent" enough to use it.Anyways, if that's your guild top necro, I'd find a new guild man. Seriously, if they don't berate the guy... yikes. RUN!<hr></blockquote>Ok, well that is good to know.  Notice I did not say 'top' necro, I'd say he's the only other one.  We're a small family guild so he and I are the only non-alt Necromancers.  I just let his comment slide, really.  I was an EQ1 Necromancer for about five years so I know the value of a good lich.  Granted, most things have changed and between  the two EQ's in terms of Necromancer game play, but the lich line looks pretty much like it always did.I'm still looking forward to it.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Mouadieb]

sure wish i could find a master 1 version of this even if I will be able to use archlinch before I probably find one.  I am loving the spell and with food and out of combat I rairly see my life drop more than to 98%.....Sadly enough I only have it at app 1 ATM because I can't find even the adept 1 version on the broker and gathering for 5 hours today only turned up 1 cobalt cluster and a few lambent stones.  But even at Ap 1 I think it is worth having on you.<div></div>

[Eriol]

<blockquote><hr>Mouadieb wrote:Sadly enough I only have it at app 1 ATM because I can't find even the adept 1 version on the broker and gathering for 5 hours today only turned up 1 cobalt cluster and a few lambent stones.<hr></blockquote>Well the good news there is that you should be able to sell the cobalt cluster for MORE than the rough pearl would cost you, if your server prices run anything like my server's do. The "hard metal" rares are going for MUCH higher than the vanadium and rough pearls are, so I hope that hold true for you too.

[Mouadieb]

gave the cobald to the guild bank and found lich adept 1 for 13 gold so I bought it instead.  My little necro is almsot 60 now and I am so loving it. Thank you SONY for allowing me to betray at 57 =) I love playing again.Today I was duoing with a 58 conjuror in Silent City  taking on 58^^^ heroics and although it was very close and he and I both have mostly master 1 spells it was more fun than I have had in months.  We died about every 2 or 3 kills but man it was fun just seeing we could handle them if all went right and luck was on our sides.  FD is way better than CoH any day IMO.<div></div>